"Calling SS Edmund Fitzgerald … Permission to Dive, Captain?"

As we wrap up season 3 with Captain Darrell Walton, we'll take one more "dive" on the Edmund Fitzgerald and her lasting legacy. Through an effort from some of the surviving family members and the Canadian government, "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" has been officially declared off-limits for any further diving and exploration. Widely believed that at least 28 of the 29 crew members are entombed on the Mighty Fitz, the site is now a memorial gravesite to be left untouched going forward. However, divers and exploration teams can lawfully dive on several other ships, including the 12 that went down in the Great Storm of 1913 in which more than 270 sailors perished. Why not the Fitz? It's an enduring question that remains open. Also, Captain Darrell, whose Uncle Grant Walton went down on the Fitz, discusses his father's career, as Chief Engineer on the Edmund Fitzgerald after he fought in Germany during WWII...all that and so much more. Thanks for your support of the History Mystery Man...see you soon!

[@TheSailsCall]

I’m a 25 year old “young man” and I am obsessed with the story of the Big Fitz, so don’t worry History Mystery Man! There’s still hope! I’ve been involved in the maritime community since I graduated high school about 7.5 years ago now, and so far any fellow sailor of mine that I work with whether their young or not they all know about the Fitzgerald. Which is good! These stories need to be known!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

I'm glad to know that...that solid young folks like yourself are taking an interest...very encouraging. Thanks for your support here...HMM

[@StephanieSimmons-ru4bk]

My husband's uncle who is 93 now, was a porter on the Edmond Fitzgerald in the 50's . His grandfather was the cook on the Fitzgerald.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Wow...that's super interesting! Your husband's uncle would be a fascinating interview if he'd be interested. Thanks for chiming in, Stephanie. HMM

[@rogerhanner4216]

They should get the log book

[@atomicwedgie8176]

I heard that's gone... another reason they don't want people snooping around.

[@DeeMarkley]

I could listen to you two all day 😊

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Super nice compliment. It all helps a lot...to keep us inspired to keep going. HMM

[@user-fm9yt4ed7f]

Captain Darrel is a national treasure, I also got his joke about being 75 and being a dancer John Belushi comedy short film. You ruuuuule captain Darrell!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

I never made that connection with Belushi, so now I know...thanks! HMM

[@IonbhaWalksAndTalks]

I was born in Marquette, MI in 1963 and have always felt a special connection to Lake Superior and The Mighty Fitz. May all who perished Rest In Peace.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks...so appreciated. I have a goal to visit Marquette this year...traveling across the U.P. Looking forward to the adventure! HMM

[@als1023]

Around the time you were born I found a homemade surfboard with your hometown written on it, in Michipicoten Bay in the spring ice on the big lake. I grew up there we had a camp on the lake.

[@IonbhaWalksAndTalks]

@@als1023 That’s cool! I don’t see how anyone could surf in Superior.. even in July that water was ice cold. lol

[@als1023]

We lived in it all summer long, didn't know any different !! We ' surfed ' in small skiffs and canoes / kayaks of sort. Never in big storms, the lake is a killer.@@IonbhaWalksAndTalks

[@p.k.5455]

May we NEVER forget!

[@bradparker9664]

A big loss of life and there's spirituality....I wholeheartedly agree. I've seen too much (albeit on land) to not believe that. I'm 48, born 6/9/75...just before the Fitz went down. My parents did a great job of teaching me the stuff that schools didn't, including all about the Fitz. I was very fortunate in the parents department. They're both gone way too young, but the love of learning I have is their legacy. I love these talks you two have. I could watch them all day

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Brad...it's really nice to hear you speak of your parents this way...and the valuable legacies they left behind for you. Stop by anytime...HMM

[@BennyBunghole-tk7ts]

HMM and the Good Captain keep knocking it out of the park! Great stuff as always!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Benny...always appreciated! HMM

[@chuckg6039]

I just want to thank both of you guys for producing this series. Captain Darrell, weren't you the captain on the Port Clinton, Ohio Jet Express I ? I took it to the islands during the first month of operation of that fine vessel.

[@darrellwalton938]

Yes, I was her Skipper for 11 years. She was a beautiful ship!

[@chuckg6039]

That is awesome. I remember that initital era and was blown away by its power and grace. It must have been so neat to power through waves at that speed!@@darrellwalton938

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Man I'm jealous...I always wanted to drive the Jet Express!

[@billdittman680]

Thank you for sharing all your stories and experiences on the Great Lakes and with the Edmund Fitzgerald.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're always welcome, Bill; thanks for watching. HMM

[@TopBigMike]

Man I love these videos so much, I’m only 20 years old from Mississippi but I’ve been spreading the story and song to all my friends. I’m always waiting for a new interview with you and cap

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks...so appreciated! It's especially rewarding to know that young folks like yourself are taking an interest. Keep it comin' from Mississippi! HMM

[@robertayers9424]

The only disappointment I have with your videos is when they end. I enjoy the topics involving the great lakes. I had the great experience of crossing over the Mackinaw bridge watching the icebreaker at work, believe it was February 1978. Thanks again for the education and entertainment!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Robert...you're the best! Depending on which icebreaker you were looking at, I might have been on that Tug...if it was a Tug. The USCG also has icebreakers that work that area. Thanks again, my friend...HMM

[@benpotter4905]

I’m 33. I love history. Ever since my dad told me about the Fitz when I was a boy I have always been fascinated with it and anything about shipwrecks in the Great Lakes. I truly enjoy watching your videos. I also would like to thank you and Captain Darrell for taking the time to talk about these ships. Lately I’ve been watching anything I can about the White Hurricane of 1913.

[@robertredmon6387]

History is very important

[@benpotter4905]

@@robertredmon6387 I wish they taught us more about history in school. I mean very in depth instead of barely brushing us history. I would have rather learned more about the civil war and wwii but that got brushed over too

[@penelopejoann]

I’m obsessed with the storm wrecks in 1913!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Ben; we appreciate your interest. You gotta be loving what you're finding on the Storm of 1913; there are several well-produced pieces on the story. Sure glad your dad told you about the Fitz and sparked your fascination! HMM

[@chinookcreations6105]

@benpotter4905 - I hope you've visited the Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum?

[@gilliankingston8259]

If there's anyone who's intelligent/well informed enough to recall and give an opinion about the Edmund Fitzgerald or anything regarding the Edmund Fitzgerald I trust Captain Darrell. It's good you should keep telling people about the history - the 29 Men who went down with the Fitzgerald should not be forgotten.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

As long as we're still kickin', we'll keep tellin'. Thanks for your confidence and support...always appreciated. HMM

[@ElizabethF2222]

So proud of you and Captain Walton for keeping the memory alive of the 29 men who died on the Edmund Fitzgerald. I cannot imagine what they went through that night on November 10, 1975. I was just a little girl when it happened. They will never be forgotten, thanks to you.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks again, Elizabeth...Capt. D. will love you for this one! HMM

[@tothestars7523]

Love your videos. Keep up the good work.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks! So appreciated...HMM

[@fullback500]

I’m 28 years old, and I remember my dad (a navy guy, he was on the USS Baton Rouge when it collided with a Russian submarine in 93 I think… maybe 92 I can’t remember) but I remember being about 5-6 years old and he would play that song. When it says “does anyone know where the live of god goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours” he would get big tears in his eyes. We may be few and far between but we are out here, and we know about the fitz. Love your videos, thanks for doing them

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Hey...it's great to hear from you! And it's encouraging to know that young folks like yourself are paying attention and taking an interest. Thanks to your Dad for his service...and thanks to you for taking the time to watch. HMM

[@BillAlexander-cv6oj]

Thank you and Capt Darrel for all the Videos, My Grand Father Capt.James Alexander My Father and My Uncles all sailed on the Lakes, In fact my one Uncle spent most of his Time on the Tug Boat of the Pringle Line The Barkamstead, My Grand Father was from Scotland and came to Canadia, eventually they Moved to St Thomas, and ended up In Detroit and then Port Huron from there.. I have heard many stories from the early 20"s and 30"s and yes he survived the Great Storm and was Grounded...Mr Great Uncle Capt Robert Alexander was The Master Of The Alexander Leslie and my Dad"s Uncle Was the engineer on that boat..my nephew is getting all the photos on CD"s If I can I will send you a Copy..thanks for all your hard work....

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Super interesting, Bill...thanks for sharing your stories here. This is, in part, why I keep making movies...to hear about your stories. Do you know which port of entry your grandfather came though to immigrate to North America? I would love to see all those photos! HMM

[@rogerbaker1875]

Thank you both for these great and informative videos. They mean so much to so many. My dad lost his brother on the great lakes and they hold so many secrets beneath the surface. Captain Darrell and you have shed a lot of light on those secrets and answered many questions. I look forward to these and always enjoy the new ones!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're welcome Roger; thanks again. Sorry your dad lost his brother. Was he lost to a maritime accident? If you're not comfortable sharing that info, I completely understand. Man...you got it right on "so many secrets beneath the surface"...I like that. HMM

[@elroyelblander6277]

👍👍thank you HMM,for all you do,and for another discussion with Mr.Walton..see ya next time feller,take care👍🤘👊

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're welcome Elroy...thanks again! HMM

[@wilsonwebb3955]

Their is nothing more fascinating than Ship History. Ships weren’t just boats but a piece of everyone’s soul. If it wasn’t for these magnificent ships this world would be completely different. Long live the ships and the crew’s that sailed them

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Very well said...love the way you put your thoughts out there..."a piece of everyone's soul" ... man that's good. Thanks for your support, Wilson. HMM

[@p.k.5455]

You guys rock...again and again! Very good points as usual. My question is why did the government side with families asking to protect the site when the government NEVER sides with people like this?...Unless...there is something they dont want people to find!🤔

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Possibly, the Canadian government operates differently that America's...I really don't know. Thanks again, for your interest.

[@ctg6734]

Love these interviews with Capt. Darrell. Thanks for keeping the history alive.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're welcome; thanks for your interest. HMM

[@JohnnyLaps]

Don,this was one of the best segments yet.Thank you

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're welcome Johnny; thanks again. HMM

[@DirtySouth211]

I was born in December of 1973, I’ve studied the Mighty Fitz most of my life, she was the greatest ship on the Great Lakes when she went down. It was hard to believe it actually happened at the time because she was such a great ship. Every single person that ever set foot on or just passed her on the lakes was impressed by her. She was an American icon.💯

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

She was kinda like the Titanic of the Great Lakes, and still the largest ship to ever sink on the Lakes. And yes...it's so hard to believe it happened, especially as late as 1975. Thanks for your support! HMM

[@ajbaumgart4774]

Wow that's an incredible piece of history there history mystery man and Mr Walton are so awesome to listen to what I love the most is both you guys know the history of the great lakes and have experience working on them back in the good day's keep the history and stories coming guys I thank you both and salute you guy's 🙂

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks again AJ. As long as you'll keep watching, we'll keep comin' back with more. HMM

[@rEdf196]

I was 11 years old in 1975 when fresh news of the horrific Edmond Fitzgerald sinking hit the TV sets, radio and newspapers. It was a very sad time for the Great Lakes shipping fleet. I saw many news clips and CBC TV specials on the Fitz and its tragic aftermath, and of course that epic chart topping Gordon Lightfoot song, released in 1978. It was truly, Canada's Titanic moment.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks for sharing your stories on the Fitz here...super interesting. The Fitz is arguably the Titanic of the Great Lakes...certainly the largest ship to ever go down on the Lakes. HMM

[@susanmacdonald4288]

@@HistoryMysteryMan also that people were shaken to the core that ships like the Fitz and the Titanic could actually sink....it was pretty unthinkable.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

@@susanmacdonald4288 And according the the Titanic...it was unsinkable, which made it unthinkable! I appreciate your feedback Susan...HMM

[@todddickinson3262]

I wish there was an interview a week with Captain Darrell!!!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You see this one Capt. D? Your presence is being requested! Thanks for watching, Todd. HMM

[@ripperace]

The vids you post with Captain Darrell have become favorites of mine.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks...we really appreciate that. Stop by anytime...HMM

[@rogerozdarski2935]

Thank you HMM! This has been an outstanding series. Every video just seem to raise more questions. I could l8sten t9 you and the Captain talk all day. Thank you again.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're welcome Roger...and thank you for all your continued support. It's folks like you that keep us inspired to keep on keepin' on. HMM

[@rogerozdarski2935]

@@HistoryMysteryMan thank you very much for the kind words.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You earned everyone of them.@@rogerozdarski2935

[@spidercavesyndication6017]

I could listen to Captain Darrell all day! I'm in my 20's and I've been infactuated with the Fitz and shipwrecks in general since I was a kid. I used to watch every shipwreck documentary that came on Nat. Geo. , Discovery and The History Channel in the early 2000's.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Good to know that young folks like yourself are out there and taking an interest. Thanks for your feedback and taking the time to stop by. HMM

[@patreilly1458]

At 9:02 the picture of the 1st mates family shows two things. One it is cold out so late in the year by the way they are dressed Two look at the hatch covers. The hatch cover locks are done up with just about every second one is not done all the way you can see them in the picture and the Fitz is low in the water so it is loaded. Complacency is a bad way to run a ship. The design of that hatch cover is to be FULLY dogged down and it has a lot of surface area that needs to have all of the locks on for it to be viable during an event where there is a differential of pressure from inside to outside. I have seen other pictures of the Fitz clearing the Soo Locks down bound and loaded with the same configuration of hatch locks where they are not all done up. We had a man killed in our gas compressor test area of our plant by complacency. There are 36 1 1/4" bolts on a 900 lb 36" flange on a certain compressor model. To save time in the set up for the pressure test the workers there started to reduce the number of bolts on the test flanges during the pressure test of this compressor. One day a regulator malfunctioned and the compressor was over pressured to its maximum allowable pressure and the safety valve released on the test unit. When that safety reset it slammed the pressure on the compressor and that 36" x 4" thick steel test flange blew off killing one worker and rocketing through 2 cinder block walls and finally ended up stuck in a pickup truck 600 feet away. When you cut corners to save time and money you usually pay for it in someones blood.

[@coltonnovak1887]

I wouldn’t call it complacency, depending on weather and conditions the hatch clamps are dogged down in different patterns. Sometimes it’s the corners and then every other, maybe it’s all of them, or just the corners while you do two and skip two. Then there’s times where on short trips you don’t even dog them down.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

I appreciate all your feedback here...both of you. I never thought about looking at the hatch covers in that pic...but I'm going back to see that for myself. Thanks for your thoughts...always appreciated and respected. HMM

[@darrellwalton938]

Your right! They are not all dogged down! Nice pix of 1st Mate McCarthy and family though!

[@J.Runk81]

This is one of my favorite videos of yours! I love it’s February and we are still getting fitz videos.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks...so appreciated. I could do Fitzgerald movies full-time and never grow tired of it. HMM

[@historyinbitesizedchunks5857]

I'm 21 soon to go onto 22 and have been in love in history since I was very little, particularly aviation. While I do not live anywhere near the Great Lakes (I live on the west coast) I remember hearing about the Edmund Fitzgerald when I heard the song on a long car trip with my dad and that's where my interest in the mighty Fitz began. I've always loved the looks of the Great Lakes freighters (particularly the ones with the pilothouse forward) and I would love to see one up close in person. It wasn't just the Fitz that interested me but the likes of the USS Cyclops which was an ore carrier that disappeared in the Bermuda Triangle. Maritime mysteries like the Fitzgerald where no one really knows what happened will always intrigue me and I appreciate your videos with Mr. Walton.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks again. It's inspiring to know that young folks like yourself are paying attention and taking an interest in the Great Lakes maritime industry. We appreciate you...stop by anytime. HMM

[@toddsgreatoutdoors4226]

Captain Walton is a great guy to interview. He's so knowledgeable about these shipwrecks and insightful. He would be fun to drink beers with and listen to his storytelling into the early morning hours! Hope you guys continue this KZbin channel and keep educating us all. Also, i would like to send my condolences to the Walton family for their loss. God bless!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Todd...your support is so appreciated. Stop by anytime. Maybe I can arrange a storytelling session with Capt. D...HMM

[@shawndavis8438]

I'm 31, and I learned about the Edmund Fitzgerald from my 3rd Grade teacher. And I've always been fascinated by the story since then. I wish they could have found out exactly why it went down. Just for the family to have closure. Thank you Mr. Don and Capt. Darrell for all these stories. It's greatly appreciated

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're welcome Shawn; thanks for your interest. I doubt we'll ever know why she went down...the mystery is fascinating. Thanks for watching...HMM

[@p.k.5455]

You are so right about history NOT being taught in schools, and i try to teach my son what i know and learn so he can appreciate our Country!

[@atomicwedgie8176]

Schools are indoctrination centers, with an emphasis on sports.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You have to do more home schooling these days...to keep our kids in the loop...thanks. HMM

[@p.k.5455]

On TOP of the crap they do teach in school which is not much but that is frustrating to the kids

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Understood.@@p.k.5455

[@RichardThorburn]

Hi boys I'm an ex merchant seaman. I love the history of these old lady's. It's a pity it's not taught at school nowadays it is a shame these men are almost forgotten nowadays. Take care and love to you all from aberdeen scotland.xx

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Richard! You have no idea how awesome it is to hear from you...to know that folks from Scotland are watching! I appreciate your support! Thanks for your service as a Merchant Marine! Please stop by anytime...HMM

[@toddgilmore8412]

Great job guys Love the sound powered phone artifact. Ships usually had a whole network of sound powered phones. Depending on the ship they would be located on the bridge, engine control room, crows nest, steering flat, captains cabin, emergency generator room and more. Keep up the great work!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Todd...so appreciated. We had a sound-powered telephone on the Tug I worked on but I never gave it a thought, till Capt. Darrell brought up the subject...super interesting. HMM

[@rickhendricks7225]

Great video guys

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Rick; we appreciate you. HMM

[@user-fm9yt4ed7f]

Belushi joke Capt Darrel did was hilarious.

[@thevintagepoet]

That phone should be in a museum because thats amazing

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

It's in Capt. Darrell's personal museum, worth visiting. Thanks! HMM

[@penelopejoann]

I too agree with Captain Darrell that there is something deeply embedded in us that we gravitate to in this story of the Fitz and in other shipwreck stories on the Great Lakes. The camaraderie, sense of duty, risking your life for your crew, battling the elements, man v nature, these aspects make for an emotional camaraderie amongst everyone then, now, and future generations who have yet to hear the tale from their fathers, grandfathers, mothers, and grandmothers. A real hero’s journey should end beautifully and courageously. In those final moments, these guys said their hail Mary’s and said their goodbyes as a crew, hopefully doing something they loved in a place where they loved doing! It’s noble, heroic, and it’s deeply humbling. I am not religious at all but when I learn about this story more and more, especially with the more personal stories about family connections like Captain DarrelI’s, I find that I’m moved into a religious experience. I become part of the story by listening. It’s too a story that I can tell my kids about around the campfire even though I’m not directly impacted. It’s a legend in its own right. I also am enjoying very much reading everyone’s comments here ❤

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Wow! Your feedback here is amazing and always welcome here. Seriously, I love the way you presented your thoughts. You could do an entire video on your thoughts... with a deeper dive. Moved to a religious experience without being religious...that's powerful. Thanks again, Penelope; we appreciate you...and I really enjoy reading your commentary...gets me thinking every time. HMM

[@cqcq374]

Such great history being told here. I'm so glad you put these on here to live forever.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks...so appreciated. HMM

[@AndrewJones-cx6kl]

I’m an Autumn time of the year guy who grew up in Mn. I absolutely Love October thru December In Minnesota. I was 6 years old when the Fitz was lost. My Father grew up in Superior WI and starting at 12 years old he was getting bored when school was out for summer break. He was adventurous you might say. One day we found a shoe box stuffed in the closet and inside was my fathers Military medals, dog tags, and among the items were a couple ID’s for (i think they say) merchant seaman or something like that and he used a fake name and birthdate etc. Us kids started laughing and he told us he worked on an Ore Carrier out of Superior during 2 summers. It made for some great discussions around our dinner table, LOL. He was quite adventurous before meeting Mom. After High School he went into training for the airborne. He trained in the 101st, but eventually ended up in the 187th Pathfinders. I’ve got all the paperwork and his dress uniform etc. He worked for the Postal Service on a Train from the Twin Cities to Chicago daily route. He then got his pilot license in 1961 ( it’s probably why myself and sister did the same). He met my mother December 1961 and took her up for a joy ride and she wasn’t too fond of that! His instructor shortly thereafter crashed into a mountain out west and that was the end of that! Mom didn’t want him flying. They were starting our family and married May 1962. My Mother passed in 2008 and we lost Dad in 2021, He was 89. He was the greatest Dad and we all miss him and Mom greatly. I’m sorry if I’m boring anyone but it’s because I’m looking for information. My father had a picture on his office wall of (1) of the ships he sailed on. The name is the FRED L. HEWITT. I’m having problems finding info on the ships fate? I know it was built in 1908, and its last purchase I see on the Vessel Status Card is 2-27-47. He worked more than one, but the Hewitt was where most of his time was. Since there might be any experts like both of you Men out there I thought Maybe someone would know something. Thanks for everyone’s time if you made it to the end. 😊. I’m reminded every year around the end of October that “ The Witch Of November “ is right around the corner. May God Bless All Of You. Best Regards -A. Jones

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Andrew...really compelling stuff...and yes, I made it to the end. I too love that time of year...fall and winter. Love the colder climates in general...my favorite time of year. Your dad would have been a great interview; thanks for his service. I don't know about the Hewitt, but I'll see what I can find out. God bless your mom and dad; you were lucky to be raised by them...and thanks for sharing your stories here; it's, in part, why I keep doing what I do. HMM

[@copescale9599]

My grandpa told me about the Edmund Fitzgerald and all my life I thought about it and I really love your channel I have learned so much.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks for taking the time to watch. So glad your grandpa taught you some fascinating history! HMM

[@jeffbranchick1516]

"Sailing isn't about the destination; it's about the exhilarating journey and the lessons learned along the way." ~ Unknown Can't get enough of the conversations between Capt. Darrell and you Don. The behind the scenes details you two discuss are priceless. He is a treasure chest of information that the general public would not have access to otherwise. What a privilege it certainly is to sit and listen first hand. Preeminent and grateful props to you both for recording this series to discuss this tragic, yet incredibly intriguing coverage of Great Lakes Maritime history. It's beyond evident that Capt. Darrell enjoys telling what he knows as much as you do the investigative research side. May God grant eternal peaceful rest, fair skies and following seas to the crew of the Big Fitz, and all sailors who reside in their watery graves. "The sea is a timeless storyteller, whispering tales of ancient mariners and modern adventures to those who listen." ~ Unknown

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks again, Jeff. I appreciate your take on what we're doing...so inspiring for us...and because of good folks like yourself, we're more encouraged to keep going. I love those Unknown quotes by the way! "To those who listen!" I love that! I'm listening. HMM

[@ericturner3100]

Love ya guys so much ! Love it when you have a new video out !

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Eric...always appreciated. HMM

[@shanejoseph1700]

i’ve always been told that the Edmund fitzgerald checked back but wasn’t the engine order telegraph found to be at full speed

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Interesting...and yes...that's how I understand it too. Thanks for bringing that up. HMM

[@steveanderson3428]

33 y/o here and live around the Soo. Love Great Lakes maritime history. Love your channel and listening to Captain Darrell

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Steve...we appreciate you. I'll be visiting the Soo in 2024! HMM

[@alexnevermore9574]

First off, let me preface this by saying thank you so much for making these videos with Captain Darrell. Your animated conversations do a great deal to help people like myself truly connect with the humanity behind so many Maritime tragedies. These heartfelt recollections of your collective personal experiences as Great Lakes mariners make it remarkably easy to put oneself in the shoes of so many sailors whose lives and deaths on the Great Lakes would otherwise be lost in the fog of time. Now, after that you might think I have some family history or close friends in the industry but as far as I know, my knowledge of it is 99% second hand. As for the remaining 1% I will get to that eventually. My primary knowledge of the Edmund Fitzgerald came from the Gordon Lightfoot song which I first first heard at a very young age and apparently became so enamored with to the point that my late grandfather kindly included it on a cassette tape he made for me with a selection of several Sea shanties and other such nautical songs which he owned on vinyls. Other than this singular childhood fixation with that song and the story behind it, I cannot really explain my dread fascination with Maritime disasters in general, particularly those on the Great Lakes. My grandfather who made the tape for me was originally from central Ohio but he had left long ago to work in the burgeoning aviation field in California as an aeronautical engineer. Besides that single tenuous connection to the Midwest, I have no known genealogical association with anything related to the Great Lakes shipping industry. For reasons beyond my ability to explain, however, I nevertheless feel an undeniably strong connection with the crews of the iron boats who have plied those deadly waters for over a century and it runs just about as deep as Superior herself. See, it isn't just the Gordon Lightfoot song about the mighty Fitz. Apparently it's any song relating to iron boats on the Lakes. For instance, I was about 13 or 14 when I first heard the classic Maritime song "White Squall" originally written and performed by the late Canadian troubadour from Ontario, Stan Rogers. It wasn't Stan's version that I heard first though but a cover by one of my favorite Scottish folk singers at the time. The first time I heard it, I was deeply moved by the tragic tale but more specifically, I could conceive in my mind's eye exactly what kind of boat they were on making the horrific scene described in the song all the more nightmarish. Much like Gordon Lightfoot's classic brought the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald so vividly to my mind, I once again felt that I understood this kind of tragic loss from a very personal level but once again, I had no explanation for why this particular song about life and death on the Lakes moved me so much. I just knew that the song was an instant classic. Imagine my shock when I discovered, years later, that Stan Rogers actually perished in a tragic airplane fire 2 days after I was born, an odd coincidence to be sure. How I heard so much by Lightfoot so early on but not anything by Rogers is also an oddity that I'm not rightly certain of, given that my childhood home in the San Juan Islands might well have been Canadian if not for a German Kaiser (see The Pig War). It would be years later that I would finally hear Stan's other, far more beloved song, at least north of the border, Northwest Passage. Again, I discovered this other song via a cover version, only this time by an Irishman. Naturally, as it is a song commemorating a nautical voyage that ended in tragedy, and one that I was very familiar with in fact, I was instantly hooked and had to find to the original which became a new favorite from the first listen. As exciting as all that was, I couldn't shake this feeling though that there must be some underlying reason why all of these songs and stories about the Lakes resonate with me so much. Little did I know, the only clue I have unravel that mystery was waiting for me just around the corner. I'm getting to the end of my story here and I promise it is going somewhere interesting. Then, within the span of last week, the following all happened. Hearing the cover of Northwest Passage led me to looking up the original and realizing it was the same gentleman who had written another nautical favorite of mine. This then led to several videos about Great Lakes disasters being suggested to me on KZbin. Many of these were from the channel Big Old Boats which presents a well-researched and well delivered report on various vessels throughout history, not all of them ones that met tragic ends. Still though, the channel has several videos about the loss of ships on the Lakes which, by watching all of them, then led me via the algorithm to your channel, specifically to these wonderful videos which you have made with Captain Darrell, listening to him describe how life really was on the Great Lakes ore freighters. It was something I saw in one of the videos from Big Old Boats though that really gave me pause and provided the only possible clue as to why, if not how, I seem to be haunted by the horrors that come with the Witch of November. As I watched the old film footage accompanying one particular story about an early 20th century freighter, one short clip immediately stood out. It was something I had clearly seen in a dream but it was beyond explanation because all I had at the time was a brief glimpse of the thing with no context for it. Now however, as I sat watching the video with rapt attention, I suddenly realized that the thing in my dream was the side of an early 20th century ore dock, viewed from the deck of an old iron boat as it glided slowly past the row of upraised chutes. I know this all sounds far-fetched and I'm not one to claim that I know for certain that it is some past life experience. All I know is that deep water wherever it may be, salt or fresh, is something I like to keep at a distance. I'm a rather contradictory gal though because while I'm both inexplicably drawn to big water and feel most at home by the coast, I am also repelled by a healthy fear of open water that affects me at a visceral level. Truth be told, I'm even antsy on trans oceanic flights and I'm always glad to set my feet back on dry, solid ground. To me however, there's nothing in nature more beautiful then the splendor of the flowing lifeblood of our Blue planet nor is there anything so terrifying as its fury. I just want to take this opportunity to say again how grateful I am to you both for keeping alive the fading memories of the great many lives lost. Bless you both for this endeavor and may God keep the souls who lie in eternal rest in the rooms of Superior's ice water mansion as well as all those in the lonely depths of the other mighty inland seas. 🙏🏼⚓

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Alex. Your post is amazing! So well written, all separated by old-fashioned paragraphs to carefully separate your thoughts. Heck...I don't even have the patience for paragraphs anymore. You should write a book...writing is truly a lost art. I remember when I first went on the tugs in 1978, just three years removed from the Fitzgerald tragedy. At the time, the story of the Mighty Fitz never even crossed my mind. Had I thought about it, I wonder if I might have chosen a different path. But...I was fresh out of high school and ready for adventure. To me, the "Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" is one of the greatest ballads ever written...and it captures me every time I hear it. I too have a strong connection to water, but the deep dark depths terrify me. I actually prefer rivers...always flowing, always changing, with a fighting chance to touch bottom. I've never heard of Stan Rogers, but now I'm going to check out his story. An airplane fire? That is bizarre. I love the Big Old Boats channel! His production value is off the charts. Mine is sort of 'off the cuff' whatever comes out. Nothing that you write about is 'far fetched'...it all makes sense to me. Planes and boats scare me...I'll take good old-fashioned 'solid ground' every time. Childhood home in the San Juan Islands? That sound fascinating. Anyway...thanks for your message and support...keeps me inspired to keep going. HMM

[@ronyantz7349]

Awesome my favorite Story tellers!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks again, Ron. We always appreciate your feedback. HMM

[@Zilla23]

Great stories and series of videos . Sparked my interest . Perfect for the off-season from racing . ✌️

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks again! Glad we could fill the gap for you...HMM

[@Marleyfan-dm2tk]

As a 18 year old lover of Great Lakes maritime history it’s crucial for not only me but also my peers to learn and teach about the Fitzgerald and the very powerful history of the Great Lakes. Also I believe that the Fitzgerald is coming around again as I believe the song is coming back in a way. We can never forget about the mighty Fitz the song is still my favorite song of all time Thank you

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks for watching...and for reminding us old codgers that there are young folks like yourself out there who care about the Fitz, and history in general. I appreciate you! HMM

[@saataanaa]

I'm 25 from Finland. I found out about the Fitz from Gordon lightfoot's song when I was 17 and been interested ever since. I really like your videos when you two talks about the Fitz and other Great lakes vessels that went down.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

So many thanks! I believe you're the first person from Finland I've heard from...super interesting. It's nice to know there are young folks like yourself out there who are taking an interest. Welcome Finland! HMM

[@crowekiddboisey6789]

That is an interesting point to consider. If McSorley didn't check down, would they have made Whitefish Bay. Another thing to think about is if they had of continued on the more popular southern route, they probably would have made Whitefish as well. They also would not have gone anywhere near six fathom shoal which means they would not have encountered any damage perhaps. But that is why hindsight is always 20/20!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

All true...even the hindsight. Thanks for your contributions. HMM

[@mathieumintz1694]

Another great installment of the Capt. D saga and history lesson. Thanks a bunch. I've always paid my respects to the Fitz in November, but your maritime videos and having Capt. D on has ignited my interest and passion in the history of the Great Lakes wrecks.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks! We're honored to be able to ignite your interest and passion. And thanks for taking the time to watch...time...our most valuable asset. HMM

[@rileybridgham1963]

I've been enjoying this season, so much information that you and captain Darrel share is amazing.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks again, Riley. If you'll keep watching, we'll keep talkin'! HMM

[@guitarfreak521]

Thank you! I love it!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're welcome; thanks! Do you play guitar? HMM

[@robertredmon6387]

I love history and historical events and u are absolutely right when you said how do you know where you are going without knowing where you came from and where you have been

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks again, Robert. HMM

[@p.k.5455]

I thought the captain and his brother were in their late 50s or early 60s...they both look GREAT!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

They really do look fantastic! I'm sure the Bros appreciate your comments. HMM

[@trentbryant2373]

Thanks HMM and Darrell for the insight to these ship wrecks. I never knew anything about maritime but I could listen to you guys over and over. You 2 could just keep repeating ur stories about these subjects and I would watch everytime. I'm really intrigued with these ships and stories and coming from 2 wonderful guys who actually served on the GREAT LAKES puts it over the top for me, Again Thank You both.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks again, Trent...always appreciated. Hopefully we won't repeat ourselves too much; but it sure helps to know you're watching. HMM

[@TillerG7]

I’m 34 and being from Duluth, MN, I’ve dug deep into the Fitz and tried my best to learn about it. I gotta say, I could listen to you and Capt Walton talk for hours, days even, about your work and the history you gentleman speak. You make it interesting and fun to learn about. Exceptional work, gents.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

So many thanks! I appreciate your feedback...keep it comin! HMM

[@TillerG7]

@@HistoryMysteryManWill do, sir! I just stumbled upon your page not that long ago and I’m hooked! On a side note, have you and Mr. Walton ever thought about maybe doing some speaking engagements around the Midwest at all? I think not only would you guys have fun doing lectures, but I think because of how engaging you are with teaching us about it, I think you’d get a lot more people interested.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Good question. Capt. D and I talked about it once but nothing came of it. Do you think people would actually attend? Thanks for your support! HMM@@TillerG7

[@TillerG7]

@@HistoryMysteryManoh I think people would definitely attend! I’ve seen when Ric Mixter and Fred Stonehouse have done some and the audience was full! I won’t take away anything from those gentleman, but when it comes to presenting, you and the Captain are very engaging and feed off each others energy well! The fun banter between you two and the knowledge that I think a lot people absorb speaks for itself!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks for your vote of confidence...so appreciated! HMM@@TillerG7

[@user-qy2qy1cx7n]

I moved to Michigan in ‘03 and have become fascinated by the legend of the Fitz. The Gales of November are a part of Michigan’s culture. In my humble opinion three factors contributed to the sinking: the ship itself, the immense storm, and the Sisters.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

The Great Lakes State! Your three factors make sense to me...somewhere in there is the fact that she was taking on water...the reason she was taking on water will be debated forever. Thanks again...HMM

[@user-qy2qy1cx7n]

@@HistoryMysteryMan what would be the affect of a large amount of water mixed with taconite pellets. Was the Fitz listing partially because her load shifted? Was that shifting load part of the reason she plummeted to the bottom? We may never know.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Those are good questions. When you mix water with taconite, complicated by rough seas...the load is definitely going to do some shifting. Possibly, the load shifted forward with great velocity when the "Three Sisters" lifted her up from the stern. With all that weight moving forward, coupled with a loss of buoyancy, she just couldn't recover during the fatal dose dive. Thanks...and you're right...we'll never know for sure. HMM@@user-qy2qy1cx7n

[@user-qy2qy1cx7n]

@@HistoryMysteryMan the shifting load could have caused the massive force that some have talked about. The huge damage to the lifeboat and other parts of the ship could be achieved by 53 million pounds(26000 tons) of taconite shifting forward.

[@kevintucker1491]

I'm 37 so I'm raised by boomers and we were taught and encouraged to continue learning history. I love your videos and you two make learning history fun. It also helps I'm from Wisconsin so that makes it localized history for me.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Kevin...so appreciated. Are you near Lake Superior or Lake Michigan? HMM

[@kevintucker1491]

I would be on the west side of Lake Winnebago . I have a house next to the lake in Oshkosh so I would be closer to Lake Michigan and my son is very into the Edmund Fitzgerald and I encourage his interest in it and learning the history of it and the lakes.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Got it. Thanks for reminding us old codgers that there are young folks out there like your son who appreciate the story of the Mighty Fitz, and history in general. HMM@@kevintucker1491

[@TheChadSmithPodcast]

Is there any way you two could organize a meet-up where channel viewers could hangout with you guys for an afternoon and ask questions about maritime? I think I speak for other Michiganders when I say I would love to spend the day with you guys!! Let's make it happen!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

There certainly is a way...we just need to do it. With other requests on this matter, I've been prodding Capt. D. on this. See what we can do; your interest is so appreciated...thanks again, Chad. HMM

[@Blrtech77]

Once Again HMM and Captain Walton A Fantastic Video. Thanks for the memories! The sound powered phone is awesome.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Yeah ain't that cool?! Thanks for watching...HMM

[@krabman22]

Love the interviews with Captain Darrell, keep the history coming! And not all young people are blind to history, my 9 year old son is deeply interested in subjects like this and would love to talk about the Fitz. HMM, next time you are near Massillon, Ohio, look us up!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks for pointing this out...that there are young folks interested in history. We need to be reminded. I love the Massillon area; we always panicked when we played them in football in high school. Love to visit sometime. HMM

[@tmayer0009]

Love 💕 the history and facts of these ships! Thanks HMM and Captain Darrell for taking your time to make these and keeping our history alive! Without history we would never learn about these great ships and their crew! Keep them coming HMM and Captain Darrell Walton!!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You got it...thanks again, for your interest! HMM

[@curbstomp3126]

The Fitz needs a movie

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

I completely agree! But how would you tell its ending?...considering we don't know what happened, nor will ever know what happened. Thanks...HMM

[@jefferymatthew2776]

Thank you for another great session enjoyed every minute those WW2 guys were the greatest generation ever

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks again, Jeffery. The WWII generation was truly amazing...and we're so grateful for all of them. HMM

[@waynerafferty1048]

Once again , fantastic video and the details really keep the big Fitz and her crew memory alive. I live in a seaside town called Bangor In county down Northern Ireland. We are 7 miles from Harland & Wolff shipyard, during WW2 we had American GI & marines training here. They practiced beach landing on our beach, I have pictures . The amazing thing our pier had Eisenhower here and spoke to the troops boarding ships to go to England for D,Day. When the weather improves , I will take videos and pictures and if it's ok, I will email them to you . Look forward to the next video, all the best . Wayne Rafferty

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Wayne. It's so interesting to me...to hear from you all the way from Northern Ireland; thanks for sharing your stories here. I toured Eisenhower's home on the Gettysburg (Pa.) Battlefield this past summer...took video inside and out, but I never aired it. Bob Rafferty, who lived here in Toledo, went down with the Fitz. Love to see those pics and videos. Thanks for watching...HMM

[@user-vn8jp2iw7z]

Also what is soo spooky is the ship IT SELF tells a story....

[@thevinylrevolution]

Another flawless video. I’m 36 going on 37, and with no connection to the Lakes whatsoever - I’m from North Carolina, a place with its own legendary shipwrecks and maritime history. But the Great Lakes wrecks have always fascinated me more; I suppose, like the aforementioned Kamloops, the wrecks are so perfectly preserved, they’re far more “educational” if you can call it that. I could listen to Captain Walton all day.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks...good to hear from you from North Carolina...beautiful state...spent a lot of time there. Me and you both on Captain D! HMM

[@johnnersinger9771]

I could listen to you guys for hours

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks John...so appreciated. HMM

[@johnnersinger9771]

@@HistoryMysteryMan anytime,keep them coming.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Yes sir...@@johnnersinger9771

[@tomabdouch2754]

Love to sit down and listen to The Captains stories.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You and me both, brother. Thanks again...HMM

[@robwiggins6319]

Very good episode! Can’t get enough of the Great Lake stories. Wonderful men you two are. I’ll have a drink to the tip of his hat.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

I'll join you for that "tip of his hat". Thanks Rob...HMM

[@Plug_McWalkin]

I can reassure you that a lot of Canadian men in their 20s still remember the Fitz (not to mention that the song is still very popular in Canada), Ive always had a fascination for the ship but Ive never once brought up the ship and had someone not know about her. At least in Ontario us young people still remember that the lakes can be deadly. I love your videos! I plan to become a mariner on the Canadian side of the lakes myself next year when I finish my contract with the navy.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks...I appreciate hearing from you, from a Canadian perspective. It's encouraging to know that young folks like yourself care about the Mighty Fitz, her memory and the maritime industry overall. Thanks for your service in your Navy...much respect. HMM

[@leoygeal2249]

Im 36, first time I went to the White Fish point Edmond Fitzgerald museum was 1995 I was 8. I live in Sault Ste marie, Michigan.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Awesome! I'm planning a trip to Whitefish Point this year to see the museum and check out the Soo...thanks! HMM

[@hambam7533]

love it when these two salty old sailors get together for another talk

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Older and saltier the better! Thanks! HMM

[@user-kg4eb7nl5b]

Love ... And the light comes on :) when they talk numbers like 30 000 lost on the great lakes over the years .... they are the biggest cemetery in North America

[@critterscute3642]

I never thought about it that way. Very true!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Interesting...I also never thought of the Great Lakes that way. Biggest in terms of numbers and biggest in terms of volume of space. Thanks again...HMM

[@michaelnault5905]

Great interview! I've been reading about WWII.. We owe our lives to the generation of Capt. Darrell's Dad.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

We absolutely do...thanks again, Michael. HMM

[@timothybrown579]

Please keep doing these they are great! Captain Darrel is awesome!!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks...Capt. D. is the best! HMM

[@donmcnally9063]

Great again! My summer hope is too make it up to Toledo and do the museum!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You won't be disappointed; thanks again, Don. HMM

[@JAKPM]

My wife and I went to the National Great Lakes Museum a couple weeks ago. We ate at Tony Packo’s too, we had a good time.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Awesome! Thanks for visiting...we appreciate you. HMM

[@RAV1953]

Thank you so much gentlemen!! Another "home run" piece! Please keep up the very interesting work!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Sure will...thanks again! HMM

[@apancher]

Another amazing chat with the Captain!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks again! HMM

[@user-ri9eu1fy5h]

The one thing I think McSorley should have did is kept her full tilt ahead wide open he may have made it to whitefish point I don't know

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

It certainly would have been worth the try. He was already 10 miles ahead of the Anderson, and without radar, needed the Anderson's help. Gotta wonder though...thanks! HMM

[@healthwealthandhappiness153]

That is interesting to think about. If Captain McSorley did not check down, would he have made Whitefish Bay? Another thing to think about is if they had not taken the northern route, it would have been a shorter distance to Whitefish so they would have probably made it to the bay. Also, they would not have had to pass any where near six fathom shoal, so perhaps there wouldn't have been the damage we think happened around 3pm on Nov. 10th. But that is why hindsight is always 20/20!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Great stuff...and I agree with you on all of it. If they would have hugged the southern shore and kept it full-ahead, they would have made Whitefish Bay in my view...and as you say, kept her off the rocks at Caribou, where they should not have been. Thanks for your feedback...HMM

[@MattG171]

I really enjoy hearing the conversation from you both. My Grandfather use to sail the Great Lakes. I’m trying to find manifests that would list his name anywhere. His name is Andrew Friborg of Minnesota. I was told he sailed on the William Irvin. 40s 50s 60s was the time frame. I do know he come to the USA from Norway on the Stavangerfjord.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Matt...great stories about your grandfather...and I appreciate you sharing them here. Came from Norway! That's awesome. If he was my grandad, I'd want to know more too! HMM

[@Biggie1231]

I love hearing the stories. I did go to the Dawson Great Lakes museum. It was awesome touching the Fitzgerald’s Anchor If you go down to Amherstburg Ontario. There’s a beautiful.Muriel of the Fitzgerald. In the down town area.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Awesome...I didn't know that about the mural of the Mighty Fitz in Amherstburg...I'd like to see that...thanks. HMM

[@tonyratai6051]

Thank you for this. I love anything about the Big Fitz.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You and me both; thanks for watching! HMM

[@mikeb949]

The most logical reasons for the Canadians restricting diving on the Fitz are two fold, they dont want anyone retrieving items from the wreck, like personal items from the crew, parts of the ship, or any of the tons of taconite scattered around the wreck, but more importantly, The dont want any new evidence revealed (LOG BOOK) as to why she sank, as legal action may still be brought by the families. Captain Darrell's father (may he RIP) knew all the problems the Fitz had, and knew the truth. BTW Don, I love hearing about your time on tugs, as well as Captain Darrell's experiences!!!!!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks again, Mike. Maybe the further we get away from the tragedy, the more likely diving on the Fitz wouldn't be an issue...I don't know. I think it's interesting that you can dive on so many other Great Lakes shipwrecks...but not the Fitz. I appreciate your feedback. HMM

[@beedalton9675]

The telegraph still set all ahead full.... I bet mcsorley was like screw this,,, 17miles and a uncomming ship he.s gonna pass to the west of you....a ship leaning and he still had a positive look that he could of made it he almost did,,

[@critterscute3642]

Watched when you two rockstars published and just getting around to saying thank you both for another terrific video!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're always welcome; we appreciate your continued support! HMM

[@David-cy7qv]

The only reason that they will not allow diving on the Fitzgerald is because the powers that be are worried that the real reason for the sinking will be discovered and some parties would be held accountable. You can dive on any other wreck in the Great Lakes with no issues. I can honestly say that if I had lost a family member on the Fitz, I would want people diving on it to figure out what happened.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Interesting take...thanks for your feedback. Makes you wonder, for sure. Can't say how I'd feel about diving on my family members without being in that position. Your points are well taken...HMM

[@gayprepperz6862]

What color was Napoleon s' white horse? Love it! Not ignoring the excellent points and the thought provoking questions that your conversations produce, but the humorous personalities of the two of you keep me laughing. I look forward to the next conversation that you and "Tiny Dancer" have. They keep me laughing, and they also keep me thinking.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks again...huge compliments...so appreciated. Capt. D. is hysterical...but in a genuine, wholesome way. We need more Capt. D! HMM

[@Deltaairfan]

Never forget the Edmund Fitzgerald

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

I'm with you on the Mighty Fitz...thanks. HMM

[@bradystalbaum2392]

Thank you for sharing. I look forward to these videos and thoroughly enjoy the knowledge you’re share with us!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks! So appreciated. Stop by anytime...HMM

[@josh4125]

I would enjoy you guys talking about anything. Thanks for the content

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Josh...huge compliment! One of my favorites ever. HMM