Calling Traxxas out because nobody else does!

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The Traxxas Bandit VXL Boasts speeds of 'Beyond 70mph'. In this video we investigate this claim, and try to hit 70mph+. Who wants to see me try the same with the NEW '100mph' Traxxas XO-1
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[@TheRCBuildersPost]

Absolutely justified in calling them out. Don't put something on the box if you don't even have the parts to provide the customer with said claims lol

[@fstrthnu373]

Lol yeah 20 dollars in a 72 spur and a 41 pinion. It will go 85mph. Mine did with everything else stock with weight on the front. Fastest car for the money by far.

[@TheActionBastard]

That asterisk trick is underhanded as hell and designed to manipulate... as a result regardless of how good that car might be I won't spend my money with Traxxas. Don't put a lie on the box and then charge me a premium price.

[@policopaul7961]

You think they care?

[@TheActionBastard]

​@@policopaul7961 Yes and no. Here's a quickie... who cares if they care? I wont have spent money on their trashy advertising scam. Instead, I will have spent a bit less and have a vehicle arguably as capable. You, of course, are free to buy Traxxas garbage and forgive them for their underhanded nonsense. Their bank account thanks you.

[@policopaul7961]

@@TheActionBastard well i bought a trx4-sport and that thing its undistructible

[@KevinTalbotTV]

yeah its a bit naughty claiming those speeds, but arrma do it too, and worse are some of the banggoods, where even a gear change wont make them go the claimed speed.

[@tysemilicia3931]

Yep it’s very misleading for newbies

[@TomleyRC]

The only Arrma I’ve had so far that’s not hit it’s box speed is my Big Rock. Tyres balloon to much. My infraction hit 92mph out the box with the speed pinion. 12 mph over the box👌

[@Lord_Pistachio_Nut]

Arrma at least offers a speed pinion in most of their RTR trucks though, and they're transparent enough to tell you their branded parts are STOCK and aftermarket manufactures are the Hopup parts lol. Traxxas angers me because they sell beginner level stuff for above pro level prices

[@tylerseabook9423]

Arrma definitely does what the box claims

[@Lord_Pistachio_Nut]

@@tylerseabook9423 not always lol. They embellish too. Not nearly as bad or as often as Traxxas does but they do too. Kyosho is one of the only brands I've ever seen - in person or reviews - that is consistently close. So much so that they'll claim oddly specific numbers like "53kph" or similar 🤣

[@johncampbell4747]

Top man Phil. Call those big boys out. These "toys" are not cheap and in no other hobby would any manufacturer get away with misrepresentation - Good on you mate. REspect.

[@TomleyRC]

Cheers John... someones got to do it lol.

[@richsonner1930]

Buble pack gmrs radios on package up to 36 mile range. Actually in typical conditions 1-3 mile. If you were in a hot air balloon and had good conditions you might get 36 miles .

[@Djkommode]

Bandits are fairly cheap

[@thegrandnil764]

I don't know, supporting the aftermarket is sick and something you never see in any other industry.

[@kickboxs77]

Have you ever tried building a Honda GX200 for racing? Most of the manufacturers can’t even give you important specs on the parts they do sell. “This head is shaved .040 inches” “what’s the volume?” “We don’t know”

[@marcbusby3625]

Hey tomley i completely agree with you, was just discussing with the missus that if traxxas themselves dont make the pinion nessicary they shouldn't be able to put it on the box. Its the same as saying my car can do 300kph......with a big ass turbo, a tailwind and 30 thousand odd dollars of other mods.

[@yorkrojas1452]

Exactly!!

[@facebag666]

like saying the base model v6 challenger has 900+* HP

[@creationlabsinc.189]

It’s just a stupid 5-10$ part. Y’all a bunch of whiny nerds

[@notlrachtron]

Typical sales pitch …that’s why we need people like you telling it how it is …..honestly 👍

[@TomleyRC]

😎👍

[@theminiatureconstructionco4556]

I would love to know how many extra units were sold as opposed to how many disgruntled customers they had? 👍

[@rust1eronblitzrussia542]

You need a 33 tooth pinion because of the tire size. You dont know enough to insult the best RC car brand. Your only "calling them out" because Arrma copied the Revo.

[@JohnJaggerJack]

there is difference between a sales pitch and false advertisement.

[@theminiatureconstructionco4556]

@@JohnJaggerJack unfortunately I think we have come to expect and dismiss the imaginative performance claims. It's like new car mpg figures, where the car is tested under ideal lab conditions. I have heard (wether it's true or not) that some car manufacturers have been known to remove the interior to reduce weight and therefore make the fuel go further! I must admit though it did eventually do the 70mph 'stock' with correct gearing and faffing about. I've tested RC's that had to be converted to brushless and run on 3S before they would get close! 😄😄

[@michaelandrew4488]

Thanks for taking the time to do this - Traxxas should supply you another Bandit VXL, and some spares.💪

[@quantumrobingaming6667]

Based on traxxas logic you could sell any rc car as 200+mph* with the *being "with extensive modifications and part replacements"

[@cumminsfj4586]

You hit the nail on the head there. Suppose crawlers can be advertised as 100mph now too

[@fstrthnu373]

A gear only change is not that extensive. They will go way faster than 70 with just gears.

[@riothero313]

Yeah just put it in the passenger seat of a Veyron.

[@sergioh2015]

@@fstrthnu373 well you don't usually want to buy parts straight out the box, sometimes you don't even want to mess with it. While I agree its extensive, I feel it would be way less of problem if they advertised lower mph, with the optional mph next to it or something, also doing this is a lot less extensive than changing a gear. But you know, traxxas is right i guess

[@brianargo4595]

@@fstrthnu373 the gear only change didn't get it there, though. That's the point.

[@shaunpugh3287]

Great video, and you are absolutely right to call them out on this. 70mph should be easily achievable just by adding the recommended pinion if the car is sold as being able to do '70mph+', it shouldn't be something you did as a one off in almost laboratory conditions and with damage to the car. Unfortunately looks like 70mph would be unachievable for most - looks like we should be asking Traxxas to show their video of it doing this and for them to repeat it over and over to back up their claim. Traxxas, time to put your big boy pants on and show us all how its done ....

[@BASHERSKINZ]

Only been in the hobby about 6 weeks and already noticed how bad RC companies are for this stuff, glad someone is actually calling them out! Disappointed with Traxxas' replies

[@mikeluther60]

Why do you think there are all of these KZbin videos on RC? People don’t want to do the hobby for themselves! All they wanna do is open the box and play with the car. They don’t wanna learn anything about it, they don’t want to learn how to tune it and certainly don’t wanna have to fix it or take the responsibility when they break it. I see a lot of users and parents coming to the hobby store complaining that there’s a part broken looking for a free repair versus teaching their kid some initiative or by learning how to fix it themselves.

[@BobSmith-cb5xr]

The bandit vxl comes with the 70mph pinion gear. I'm not understanding peoples confusion

[@extec101]

@@mikeluther60 seen that alot at my local hobby shop that parents come in with broken car with tyres dangling from it and ask if its suposed to brake easy like that when it ran in to a tree at full speed. 🤣

[@goodknight37]

Absolutely justified. I’m pretty sure at this point , manufacturer’s just print any numbers they want on the box.

[@DoRC]

Not all manufacturers. Arrma vehicles are typically capable of reaching the speeds claimed and they usually come with the hardware required to do it in the box.

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, in my experience Arrma are the best for on the box claims. My Infraction does over 90mph out the box on the speed pinion

[@rust1eronblitzrussia542]

Not true the traxxas cars come with the gears

[@DoRC]

@@rust1eronblitzrussia542 his video literally shows that not only is the gear not included for this vehicle it's also not available from Traxxas

[@rust1eronblitzrussia542]

@@DoRC then get from another brand

[@speedgears1236]

I wonder if Ferrari ever made claims about their cars but then said you need a Volkswagen part. Lol

[@SharkysGarageRCandMore]

Hahaha ! Lol

[@TomleyRC]

Lol

[@extec101]

cant eaven put purrari sticker on it eaven if that gaining 300hp.

[@marcoreviews]

Bandy did it! They claimed it would be easy and it wasn’t. They might want to change that 70 to 60+ with pinion no spoiler and very likely to destroy your tires and suspension in the process. Man so much fine print was missing on the box 📦.

[@michaeldorich4485]

This is a fun and enjoyable video. I am impressed with all the research you did. I like Traxxas and I have had good results from their customer service. You might have fun with them by calling them. On the the phone you get some honest responses. I am sure there are people all over the world who went into hobby shops asking for a Traxxas 33T pinion. Naming your cars is a cool idea. Thanks for another entertaining and informative video.

[@TomleyRC]

Thanks mate. I wanted to push it until I hit the 70… I’d have had trouble if I didn’t get it this time lol

[@creationlabsinc.189]

@@TomleyRC I did it consistently. Hit 71 repeatedly with a change of a pinion. This is old ass news that’s been done countless times since it’s release loooooong ago

[@JayJacksRC]

I love that you speak your mind saying what everyone won’t mad respect sir! Thanks for the content and all you do!

[@gregzielinski]

Good for you for doing this. If they offer the part # for the pinion and reduce it to 60mph+, then it would be fair.

[@christrumble95]

I gave up trying to get mine to 70, glad you were able to pull it off. I’m in the states and had the same issues with Traxxas customer support not being helpful at all. The Bandit was my 9th Traxxas vehicle but after the bandit, there won’t be a tenth. I still think Traxxas has a place in the hobby. But I feel you only can go as far with them. I have had much better luck with other brands like arrma and losi.

[@skitariisoldier7367]

Good call. You also won't have to deal with Traxxas' stupid proprietary batteries.

[@nemesis8664]

The closest speed claims I have found so far are those of Kyosho and curiously, those of Haiboxing. I still don't understand why some companies state something on the box that you can only achieve by strapping your car to a space shuttle rocket....and praying for the thing to come back in one piece.

[@TrueNomadSkies]

My GP Toys Judge (basically a Xinlehong) only gets maybe 70 percent of the claimed top speed, and the claimed scale of 1/10 is in reality somewhere between 1/14 and 1/18 depending on if you go by length or width. People have gotten to the speed range, but not without entirely gutting the drivetrain. It's like, we get that big numbers are impressive, but when they're known to be complete lies, integrity goes out the window and when Traxxas does it, their claim of being better than others goes out along with it.

[@greatplanesman]

Arrma speed claims are fairly accurate. Every arrma I've tested has achieved the claimed speed within at least 1-2mph (factoring in calibration variables).

[@VestedUTuber]

Duratrax was pretty good with theirs with the Evader series. Too bad Duratrax doesn't make cars anymore.

[@xJesseJames33x]

I’m glad you called them out ! Claim it and don’t even sell the part needed lol. There support is not good I called and asked about a low voltage lipo I had that the Traxxas charger wouldn’t charge. They told me there was nothing I could do and I could send the battery back to them and get a new battery half price. I did some research found a cheap aftermarket charger found a way to get power and batteries now work. They don’t give a f they just want money

[@88davidw]

I definitely think it’s justified. Seems very strange they don’t even offer the 33T pinion. I love your bandit and Rustler videos, so much so I’ve just bought myself a new Bandit.

[@doityourselfrcdrew6807]

Glad someone finally called them out! Too many RC Volgs are Traxxas lovers and never really call them on their claims!

[@desmonmargan7499]

Beating this to death. The buggy is sold as a entry level unit. It has for years. Everyone knows it. Any hobby store would advice this and due diligence too. Any noobie to this hobby and any hobby store would never try to sell a 70 mph car to a rookie period. This gives growth to the car and purchase.

[@Redd_Beard]

Maybe they shouldn't advertise right on the box, then? I agree with your statement but they need to re-think their marketing.

[@vanenmar7491]

It doesn't matter. The vehicle should be capable of doing whatever is claimed on the box, simple as that.

[@v000000000000v]

>everyone knows it probably not the people who buys this as their first RC which like you said is the target audience of this buggy lol it is not a good image to the people who is new to the hobby to be falsely advertised to

[@mildtowildrc7343]

😂Yep Traxxas only goes to a 31 tooth,great call out and never noticed it after all these years of RC👍

[@GhostRyderFPV]

It's like the *"K"* has it's own spotlight moment when Phil pronounces *"DicK"* LOL

[@TomleyRC]

Hahahahaha

[@benlewis5469]

thank you! so tired of the "too big to fail" attitude towards consumers. they say anything to sell it

[@Pablo668]

Fun vid. Well done getting it to 70mph. I think I've already mentioned it, but I put one of those VXL systems in a Hornet. It was interesting, but not at all practical long term.

[@pocketrocket6494]

This is like a car advertisement saying, using aftermarket parts our car makes 1000 hp I mean that just doesn’t mean anything

[@skybugproductions7527]

It bothers me that the bandit comes with bushings through out and is more expensive then the Arrma vehicles that come with full bearings through out.

[@skybugproductions7527]

@M C entry level

[@skybugproductions7527]

@M C The entry-level Traxxas bandit brushed car comes with bushings and not bearings in 2022. But it is OK, he understood what I was talking about.

[@jgrc73]

bushings are better for beginners rain and snow

[@GettingthruLife]

Fair to bring this up as you are their consumer. I recently bought the Team Associated Pro4 SC10. Ran it on hard packed sand surface and the rear wheels filled up with so much sand that it made their General Tires looking brand tire unusable. I contacted Team associated and their customer service told me their Pro4 SC10 is not designed/made to be run in sand.

[@SAVikingSA]

As someone who has a Traxxas and also plays Warhammer, Traxxas sending you to the aftermarket is actually really cool. Sure, they shouldn't claim the speed if they themselves don't make the part. They are supporting a wider parts ecosystem, though, and one they don't profit from. That's really rare in the hobby space.

[@chrisgoblin4857]

GW will litigate you to the Warp if you go anywhere near their IP. Better that Traxxas will happily point you to the aftermarket to get what you need.

[@Cynocehali]

Traxxas and Games Workshop are both awful companies. I quit 40K because of GW. I boycott traxxas always.

[@jameswisecarver]

1257 on this beautiful saturday in Arkansas USA! Thanks for the video Tomley!!! I like the bandit alot for a 2wd!!

[@Logans_RCAdventures]

My Redcat Tornado was in much harsher crashes and the shocks were perfectly fine. It's also brushless for 260 Usd. That is a steal

[@ThePower1037]

I got the Shockwave from them, same buggy but nitro... and it came with a VX.18 engine brand new!!! Also the only thing that has broken is the string starter, which is very typical, especially considering that amount of bashing I have done. All in all, for 200 odd dollars it's up there on the bang for buck!

[@adamwicked7854]

I have an exceed an exceed rc sunfire it’s like the same as the tornado but 100 dollars less

[@bcochener]

Hell, you can put anything on the box then! “Reaches speeds of 200mph with optional imagination”

[@stingray8775]

My bandit has drag slicks, long drag wheelie bar and the proline pinto body. With 120c battery and the 33t pinion best I can get is 73 mph. It has done it constantly in multiple locations. So I believe that is genuinely it's top speed.

[@PigglyWigglyDeluxe]

After some modifying, sure.

[@creationlabsinc.189]

@@PigglyWigglyDeluxe I hit 71 consistently 15+ years ago when the brushless system first came out. What are y’all talking about? It came with a top speed pinion too at the time. Stock tires, stock everything. Just a turn of a few hex screws in 2007 and this thing flew. Very unstable at those speed but it did it! Y’all a bunch of whiny ass nerds

[@dstjamesrc6395]

Was happy to see that finally hit 70mph. The teal, pink color looks so good.

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, I really wanted to hit 70

[@Francois_L_7933]

It would be really good if at least they gave the full recipe for the speed. Like put foam tires on the back, remove the wing, drop the suspension as far as it will go, lock the rear shocks and change the pinion gear... Maybe add a way to move the rear wing to the front.

[@extec101]

but then it wont be box stock...

[@DixiesNewSong]

I got mine to do 68 out of the box bone stock. You just have to be really gentle on the throttle and make sure that you use a liberal amount of tire glue on the rear wheels. The rating is a bit silly tho because you have to be an extremely good driver to attain the speed. If they would just change the number to something like 55+ mph or something more useable lol.

[@dexterbeattie7884]

Awesome!! Glad you reached 70 stock.. my rustler vxl is currently on the bench waiting for a slipper clutch. Love that you Arrma motor in a traxxas. I once put together triumph chopper with a Honda motor. I miss riding it.

[@roblowrie1969]

It must have been the weight saving, running the car upside down scraping all those bits off, that gave you those few extra mph?!! 😉 Seriously, all these claims from what appears to be the vast majority of manufacturers is taking the micky out of all us customers!! And what Traxxas said for this is just astounding!! Words failed me with their reply to the first email is just nuts!! 🤷🏻‍♂️ Imagine Marty McFly trying to get to 88mph, only to have a note on the dash, to say that you've got to buy the MrFusion unit, which they don't make, and you've got to go to the future to buy, but you can't, because you can't get to 88mph......!! 😆

[@muskokamike127]

lol ZING...that was epic "wearing off bits of the body made it lighter" You must work in sales! hahahha Woman: I bought your bicycle to lose weight and the wheel fell off, I lost my leg in the accident Sales: well, you lost weight dint cha? lol

[@TomleyRC]

Hahaha

[@Snowtrails11]

Should Traxxas have the pinion for purchase? Yes. I believe so. Is it a big deal? No. They don't advertise "buy our Traxxas branded pinion!". Plenty of aftermarket options are available. One would argue that it says 70mph+ but it doesn't come with a 3s lipo to achieve this in the box either. Both the pinion and the battery are labeled on the box as being "sold separately".

[@TomleyRC]

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[@muskokamike127]

This is what's known as a catch 22.....and very similar to an issue going on with performance cars like McLaren: they advertise that their vehicles are track monster hyper cars but void the warranty if you take it on the track. This also reminds me of a die grinder kit I bought from a local chain called Princess Auto. (kind of like harbour freight in the US). I got it home, wore out one of the stones, went back a week later to get another: we don't sell them. I looked around and no one sold that size because the shaft was an oddball size. I went home, got the grinder, went back to the store: I'd like to return this. Them: opening up the kit, you've used it and worn out one of the stones, we can't resell this. Me: ok, sell me a replacement stone then. Them: we don't sell them Me: NO one sells them Them: well we can't return this as it's used Me: (pulling a karen) Get me the store manager Manager: we can't return this, it's used Me: Sell me another stone Manager: we don't sell them Me: NO one sells them Manager: and? Me: you sold me a power tool that is single use and disposable. Did you advertise this on the box? Manager: It's not single use, you can use it over and over Me: only until you wear out the stone. I want to exchange it for one that you DO sell replacement stones for. They eventually exchanged it for me and I noticed a month later they no longer sold that model.

[@kaden68]

yea thats really just a way to get you to buy it if i seen a rc that says 70 mph i would instantly have my eyes on it u know and the fact that they don't even make the pinion u need to hit that 70mph, like what if these aftermarket companies stop making it then your screwed lol

[@Asfaroth]

Funfacts : When you read the email, you sound like Maurice Moss from IT Crowd ^^

[@GhostRyderFPV]

Greetings from inside the _"Salty Lil Beach"_ Medium T-Shirt... These... will likely be... My last breaths... ... So... small... why... Phil... Why?.... ded

[@robhotson1882]

I'm waiting for baseball hats then I'm in unfortunately I'm a Jacamo buyer so clothing is out :-(

[@ReactionRC]

Thank you!! I'm sick of the false advertising about traxxass out of the box speeds!! Call em out!!!!

[@harlyquin]

3:17 Thats not like Traxxas, you would think a Traxxas motor would have some kind of unique splined motor shaft so that you could only use Traxxas pinions rather than telling you to buy after market parts

[@ackers5861]

Don't give them any ideas.

[@BlackSeaRC]

Nowadays it is just as rare to actually get a reply from any company you send a question to...

[@FormulaZR]

The "beyond" is when you get tired of dealing with parts breaking and throw it out of an airplane. Goes much faster then. Once.

[@darren5492]

Am a great believer in what you pay is what you get well done you on calling them out here here 😂😂

[@MatrixRC]

Same ordeal I experienced with my Traxxas XO-1. Tires are definitely the problematic area for what use to be the fastest RC box stock. But you need to have belted tires such as GRP's or Foam tires to easily achieved advertised 💯+mph. And that's no weight either. I have researched it and no one can provide proof of stock 💯+mph. I'm sure it's capable for I got 96mph my first run but the tires balloon like crazy after it. Glue did not separate from rim I think the belt broke inside the tire and now they balloon. Well I glad to see you show the proof. The audacity to say we don't advertised 70+mph stock. Thanks for 🙏🏾 sharing. And I named my XO-1 the Ex because that's exactly what it is.

[@TomleyRC]

I’d love to get an XO-1 and do a similar video to this, but the cost is way to much for me

[@KevinTalbotTV]

my stock xo1 did 101mph

[@TomleyRC]

@@KevinTalbotTV I thought it was 98mph… when you hit Martin? (Edit: Just checked.. 98mph Mr Talbot , your ‘101mph’ thumbnail even caught you out 🙃)

[@combustionpropulsion4883]

The Xo-1 tires are belted, so that's your first mistake. Traxxas has also proven to hit 100+ with completely stock Xo-1s in the past, in fact, I have hit 102 on my personal Xo-1 (box stock). So it's definitely possible.

[@KevinTalbotTV]

@@TomleyRC it did 101, maybe not on cam

[@direwolf3972]

Would love to see Tomley fly a Rc Jet on that beautiful tarmac! Thanks Bro and congratz on having the wind push you to 70 LOL

[@KevinATJumpWorks]

Removing that wing was a good call - It just adds additional drag, which might create downforce for corners, but in this application, it was clearly not needed.

[@backlashD]

That's pretty justified. I'm shocked Traxxas would even recommend something after market since they love to be proprietary.

[@ryand4786]

Good for you Phil . I’d like to see them take it one step further and include high speed pinion with each R/C they sell. It’s not too much to ask, costs them virtually nothing to add, and will improve customer satisfaction.

[@Rex_Stuph]

With that logic my 1984 Grasshopper can do 55 mph out of the box. With a Castle 6900kv combo.

[@muskokamike127]

and a different frame, wheels, tires, suspension......lol......

[@TomleyRC]

Yes lol

[@ripnliptightlines5092]

Glad you called them out. I had the exact same issue with my vxl rustlers.

[@aaroncasey3591]

I work in hobby shops. I ALWAYS point this stuff out to customers especially with Traxxas. Needlees to say it doesn't stop me from selling the crap out of them. (I still sell more arrma atm) I've even made a mention to this when the Traxxas team of reps comes up each year to ask about improvements. Let's just say those guys really don't help much. I've been giving these guys direct feedback for years but they are so slow to change a damn thing. Still own a bunch of them but they need to have the speed gears included. PERIOD

[@mikeupton5406]

Yes as a former hobby shop employee in several shops through the years, (side job while working in the airlines) I saw and heard things that were less than stirling. After seeing a particular incident I decided for my own R/C consumerism I would be better served to not drink the kool-aide. That was quite a few years ago and I actually can say I do not regret it

[@creationlabsinc.189]

When did it stop being included? Mine from 2007 came with the top speed pinion in the box. Hit over 70 many times. This video along with others I’ve seen on similar topics shows it’s a slow content era for rc

[@xMario209]

We need more of these videos. I recently purchased a Traxxas Raptor R since it advertises reliability and durability. ESC fried in the 2nd use. Hobbyshop was awesome and replaced it. The 2nd NEW ESC failed 2 days later. The button got stuck on and I could not operate. Hobbyshop replaced again, and I finally got one that worked! 2 weeks later, the drivetrain failed. The motor needs to be rebuilt, and the spur gear is destroyed. The best part about all this? It failed on my Birthday, trying to play with my dog at a dog park, with throttle limited (Don't need much speed playing with a Corgi). I got this truck to play with my dog at parks to replace my rustler since the wheels do not extend out (fear of paws getting mangled up). Apparently it is extremely durable to bash, but is not built to play with a Corgi. Zipping across an empty grass field and parking lot with limited throttle is literally all of its use. My Rustlers steering servo had to be replaced after a month. My TRX4 crawler motor burned out right away as well. The level of quality control is abysmal, especially for the price. Looking back, I really wish I spent my $2k worth of toys to Axial/Arma over Traxxas......Why advertise durability?????

[@lo2713]

Must have been an awkward day when traxxas had to ring schumacher for parts 😂

[@MannyGunzz]

Probably not, everything made in China , all the rcs china made just different company...

[@klasjonsson297]

They definitely did not ring HPI Racing for parts..or 33p pinion

[@andylewis7360]

New Traxxas Bandit VXXL+ ! It can do 100+ mph!!* * - with aftermarket 8S battery pack, motor, ESC, CNC gearbox housing, nitrided Unobtanium gearset, ceramic bearing set, carbon fibre chassis, low-drag aerodynamic body......

[@TomleyRC]

Hahaha

[@tobydyes]

Pro-Line shocks just for the rear or get the sharks that go on the drag slash I believe they're a millimeter thicker shock shaft

[@8180634]

I am a Traxxas fan. Compared to the RC toys we had back in the 80's, even the lowest cost Slash is a super durable blast to play with. Plus easy to fix and parts are everywhere and reasonably priced, though getting more expensive post-pandemic. We bought 4 of them to race in the back yard with the kids, friends and family and it has been a lot of fun to be a kid again. That said, the big pinion for this thing was readily available and the car did do 70 with the suggested pinion, so it was a stretch but not a false claim. I bet with some complete OCD level attention to the gearbox, bearings, alignment and setup, you could have seen 71, satisfying the "+" on the box. ;)

[@TomleyRC]

Aero was the problem. I expect it would do 75+ if it was set up correctly. Next plan for this is 100 mph... so I'll have to work my magic with keeping it on the ground

[@Godsbest777]

Totally justified .....traxxas has been getting away with weird stuff for years now...Thank you for calling them out. They sell a ton of parts but dont sell someone on a certain performance and promote a optional mysterious aftermarket part from another company

[@GholpianArmyRCchannel]

Great video, advertised speeds are usually very tough to get. I did get 76mph out of my old bandit almost stock. Aftermarket gearing and wheels. 4tec has the same problem, nearly impossible to get 70 stock

[@SharkysGarageRCandMore]

Great Video, and great insight into what it takes. Been waiting for this since i saw the post on Bashers and Crashers. Thankyou for the educational work that you do, keep up the great work !

[@TomleyRC]

Cheers mate

[@Chris257X]

Hey Phil. Similar issues go with the 4.tec 2.0 VXL. I own myself an XL-5 and it needed 4000kv, 35T pinion, 55T spur to reach at least 62.7 mph... VXL Box says 70+... Just as your "Bandie"... Keep in mind, The VXL-Systems Motor has only 3500kv... So... whether it gives a slightly higher torque it simply does not turn up to the nessecary RPM needed for 70. But... I'm planning to test this out on another, better location... Anyway... Nice 'n funny to watch this. Keep it up. Greetings, Chris

[@xrtricky7204]

When Traxxas put their speed on the box it means that the RC car is of good enough quality to do 70mph+ because a lot of RC cars are not available to do anything close to that without more extreme modifications and upgrades. I agree they should be a lot clearer about that but I am impressed a RTR pre-built car designed for off-road use can achieve 70mph

[@joebone3151]

Thank you I love my rustled 4x4 vxl it's durable fast. I love it also it can hit 65 on 3s with optional speed gear thats included In while in track mode

[@garykee1]

when i bought my traxxas stampede vxl 2wd, it claimed the same thing on the box. and there was no way it was getting to that speed (mine said 60mph+ with additional gearing and battery, etc..) too much lift on the front and wheelie bar was added and i had to lower the truck in order to keep it in a straight line. but yep..i haven't reached it and the fastest it did was 48mph. oh well..i'll keep trying to sort it out before doing anything outrageous. not going all out to get the traxxas telemetry crap since it will not be stock anymore and also, cost of upgrade will be almost as much as the original purchase price of the vehicle..cheers Phil! great job on calling them out and let's see what kind of marketing strategy they will put in their future products.

[@wordreet]

Teehee, great fun, but I would have taken the front bumper off as well as the wing, lowered it to the max. And I wouldn't have tried it anyway, it's a buggy, it's for off road, ya know? The claims on the box are so it sells to little kids, and idiot big kids! But well done for getting that, apparent, on your channel, world record! 🏆

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, ‘Worlds Fastest Stock Bandit’ 😅

[@wordreet]

@@TomleyRC Hehe, that sounds like a criminal from the financial world!

[@TomleyRC]

@@wordreet 🤣

[@kevingilroy]

Glad to see cooler weather for her Majesty's best. It's been oddly cooler here. But swampy. For awhile people in London were experiencing the same weather as Arizona at the time. 106 today. But it normally is 116.

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, got up to 107 here in Lincoln. Hottest in the country. Cooled down now, although I’m in the UAE at the mo… it’s a pleasant 110-113oF 😅

[@jeffparryncc1701]

Totally justified. But Traxxas anything is banned in our house...

[@marklinehan6000]

I agree, the wording on the box is misleading. You piqued my interest in Traxxas buggies when I viewed another of your videos comparing a Traxxas Bandit with a Tamiya XLB rising fighter - up until then I was firmly in the retro Tamiya camp! I think the Bandit VXL looks fantastic, but very disappointed with the shocks - so much so, I would avoid buying or swap them out with something more robust. Great video Phil…

[@sutton4791]

Simply putting 70mph on the front is enough for me to want to call them out. I only just learned about that asterisk next to certain claims on products last year, and I'm 31. I genuinely don't think any of my family know what it means. Traxxas purposely made theirs very tiny, but just big enough to prevent lawsuits. It's too easy for companies to manipulate people nowadays.

[@ohhi5237]

man i think i was 5 when i learned about *. i felt like buzz lightyear learning hes just a toy and cannot actually fly

[@OmegaHellHound543]

I’m new to this channel, and the fact that you named your RCs is worthy of a sub. I would also name mine if I wasn’t so horrible with names

[@roberttierney9284]

As Traxxas is in many cases someone's first hobby grade RC car, I agree with you. Shame on you Traxxas.

[@TheZenChii]

100% justified. Words have meaning. Say what you mean, mean what you say. Good on ya.

[@beyondRC]

Haha good old traxxas! Do like their stuff but I see why so many people are against them 🤷

[@TomleyRC]

Yes lol

[@bimmarvinlim3804]

I absolutely agree with you Phil. Traxxas should sort this bulls$%* or replace that 70mph claim with 70km/h on that box

[@jwilley1991]

I think you’ve made a fair point. However anyone who really cares to push this car to 70+ probably has no issue with buying a pinion gear from someone other than Traxxas since they overprice their accessories anyway.

[@pavmentsurfer13]

I realize its been a year since you posted this video. But I did the same thing you did but with a rustler VXL and attempted to hit 70mph. I had to do so many modifictionas to get it to hit 70mph it was crazy. Had to build a custom body to get downforce to stop it from flipping over. The stock tires would pull apart so I had to use foams. Lower the shocks all the way down to the ground. I did finally reach 70mph. But not without alot of work.

[@eprc7585]

A lot of fuss about this but ultimately it does do it and yet every bangood special you have that are literally miles off their claims everytime not a problem? 🤔

[@jimbolaya65]

Nice work! I’m new to the world of RC recently and for some odd reason decided to start naming cars straight away. So far it’s just Boudreaux (Big Rock 3S BLX) and Thibodeaux (Axial scx24) Looking forward to adding to the collection and coming up with more funky fun names for them!😝😝

[@extec101]

named my slash "fatty" after loading it down with 80g of tyre weights to lower the center of gravity eaven more then the LCG chassie did.

[@AddictRC]

First

[@druscanam]

That is totally fair enough for you to call them out in their claims. To claim their products meets a very specific performance number with an optional part that they don't sell or manufacture. Also I bet if you chewed the spur gear they would probably claim its because you didn't use the stock pinion. Also yes I'd agree that Traxxas make some good products and the 2WD traxxas platform is especially good although I really dislike the company from an ethical standpoint. Also as for RC bashers and crashers I left that group a while ago, unfortunately there are too many a-holes on there who ruin it for everyone else and I decided my life would be better without it. Congrats on getting 70mph although in order to do it you needed an aftermaket part which traxxas do not offer so it's still false advertising on Traxxas' part.

[@jonbeargenx]

We are a small team of RC drivers locally that are using that Bashing series batteries, and they do provide close to 60c, but as always when you're pushing the battery hard you may hurt it over time. I did an excel document years ago where I put in charging and discharge data for several batteries to try and see what is actually going on rather than listening to the grapevine. A few batteries did deliver what advertised as to C rating but all lipo suffered from increased internal resistance with abuse of charging or discharge to hard.

[@PokemonCardologist]

thank you so much about this video, my friend was convinced he wanted this car and this is the video i have been waiting for! He chose the typhon 6s instead. Great video as always, you earned my subscription!

[@Captain_Tool_Vicarious]

I'm happy someone's being honest about Traxxas in general!! They have always had good products,... But as of the past China boom, they've just been slacking. Wanting China products to back off, even sueing certain companies in attempt to slow them, instead of Traxxas putting that money into they're products and upgrades along with the customer support! They need to invest in themselves again, and show the rest of the world just how good Traxxas could still be!! (sorry for the rant, has built up for about 10 years...)

[@jefflynch9559]

I like the fact you called them out. Try belted tires as well.

[@mikeylikesit1581]

Definitely got a valid point. In my experience with the Traxxas line. I found My local Hobby guy is pretty savvy. And if you tell him what your ultimate goal is. he can usually point you in the right direction. Whether you'll need aftermarket parts or factory to meet that goal. Not that that justifies being mislead. And I know there's a lot of people out there, that are just do it yourselfers. But I've always felt like the RC world is a camaraderie. Plus it's always good vibes at the hobby store just my opinion. Glad you hit the 70 Mark 🤙🏽

[@mattgraham4025]

Absolutely justified. Traxxas should supply the components for advertised speed rating. How can they make claims that are not backed by there own products.

[@speedgears1236]

LOL you named them. 🤣 Maybe I should do that. 🤔 Thanks for video

[@TomleyRC]

Haha

[@stephen3164]

To play devil’s advocate, notice how Traxxas recommends a 5000mah battery for the 60mph run, but to hit 70 they recommend a different pinion AND a lighter 4000mah battery. If you had tried the Traxxas 4000mah battery and couldn’t reach the speed, then your complaint would be better justified. Now, I don’t use Traxxas batteries myself, but I also don’t mind some mods. For anyone trying to do speed runs with the Bandit: get a wheelie bar and Anaconda tires. The wheelie bar will allow you to stay full throttle longer and not flip. And the stock tires get wiped out so quickly on speed runs. Those little nubs are good for dirt traction, but they’re not a street tire. Yes, you might be able to hit 70 with them, but they also will likely come unglued and/or wear out in 20 minutes. The Anacondas aren’t expensive. Just need the rears. You can use the Traxxas wheelie bar, set to lowest setting, but for fastest speeds look in to a longer wheelie bar with a smoother rolling wheel. Either way, “near 70mph” is crazy fast for Traxxas’ most affordable brushless model!

[@ChrisHarmon1]

Cant believe you messaged them after getting 67mph on first attempt. I figured with wind at your back and long enough for gps to register it would do that last 3 mph. I would be more pissed about the shock shafts bending so easily.

[@tobbes3566]

I loved seeing someone actually question what's on the bloody box, great video.

[@millboss1372]

Great video. Your attempts have proven better then mine. I couldn't get close and sustained more damage.

[@WalldoTheWInner]

I'm glad I'm not the only one. "Rusty" is my rustler and "Èl Slasho" is my slash. 😅

[@HellaNorCal916]

😳Thought you where going to spike the Bandit like 🏈(US) football at the end. That would of been legendary. 😂

[@dylanwhite6539]

I mean, everyone should know that a 2wd buggy needs a wheelie bar and weight will help tremendously. ARRMA did the exact same thing with their raider blx. They advertised like 60+, maybe 70+, but it required a spur, pinion, lead weight, wheelie bar, diff fluid, thicker shock fluid, and different tires. And with all that work they said to only make one pass and then allow the electronics to recover.

[@roblow8126]

Totally justified. They can't just throw it out that "someone" will make what they say you need in the hope that it will happen

[@olds97lss]

Reminds me of my brushless converted jato... fun to drive, but a handful. It was that way in nitro form too though... throwing big knobby offroad tires for grass bashing and launching it like a 1/8th buggy doesn't help... I rarely see WOT in that thing, usually cartwheels to it's death after pulling a wheelie, but it's still fun. I tried 4S once... didn't regear or anything, just threw a 4S pack in it for fun. Was REALLY tough to drive then!

[@KurtsRCs]

you got it finally, Traxxas does say you need a 33T pinion to go 70mph sooo technically you need to mod the cat to go 70mph, that is how they get away with that, But i think that is wrong of them.

[@TomleyRC]

Yeah… sketchy, but I’m also glad I got it 👌

[@epicrc2084]

Thanks for such a broad variety of RC videos! It never gets boring!

[@ackers5861]

A lot companies have been using the '+' on their advertised speeds for as long as I can remember. It's a misleading practice for sure but definitely not a Traxxas-only thing. I think it's otherwise going to be the same case with the XO-1 where it 'can' do the claimed 100+mph in the real world, but will require risky runs and very ideal conditions to achieve that. Will be interesting to see the supposed stability improvements on the new version coming into effect for smoother 100mph runs.

[@channonsmith3157]

Phil, If you have taught us anything with your Banggood purchases it is that you can 100% trust the speed claims on all the boxes.

[@tomhunter3075]

I think everything Traxxas make is a bit backward and cheap looking honestly. And seeing the shock shafts bend all over the place as well confirmed that to me. No appeal whatsoever. Good job on calling them out. If it was me thought I wouldn't want anything to do with this company or own their cars if they were to gaslight me in emails like that. Many much better options these days. Always enjoy your videos and the bits of humour you include. You are not being a crybaby at all, I totally agree with everything you pointed out in this video