Calming Traffic & Increasing Mass Transit with Trams in Cities Skylines 2!

[@Aeonsoulful]

The trams are a fantastic Idea love it! But just incase you didn't know the Tram tacks don't have to be built on the roads they can follow along with a road or be put straight through grassland

[@ormancadam6453]

Yeah but what would be the point of that. You still need to cut across intersections and slow down car traffic, best one is overhead one.

[@tcklx]

cars can wait. trams won't. ​

[@VinceP1974]

I had a city where I made the tram tracks parallel along the heavy traffic streets they used to be on. Was very effective in allowing the tram trains to move quickly.

[@benjaminbauer6301]

35:58 the problem with this lane is, that the lane switch is considered unsafe. So open trafic mod, click on the node with the new lane (not the intersection!) coming of the others and replace the unsafe path eith a save path. So then they'll switch over sooner!

[@TheStefchoo]

This is why I love youtuber's community. Tons of knowledge shared on random facts that each one of us find out intentionally or unintentionally during our save games. It might have took me quite more time before I came up with it.

[@rynezuzinec688]

The reason for such low tram usage is 1) your stops are too far apart and there’s too much overlap with your buses. Have bus lines “spoke” off of the tram line. Don’t have them serve the same routes.

[@antaryjczyk]

Hey Biffa. There's no need to have 2 stops at that tram loop, one would be enough....also closer to the tram depot isn't there some sort of food/dairy factory? Maybe it would be an idea to extend the line there to provide more employees......also complaining about lack of node controller and then at 32:50 proceeding to control a node.....absolutely brilliant. Loooove the channel and the commentary ;)

[@stephenclark9917]

Also there are too few stops on the tram line. There is a public transport hierarchy. Trains feed onto subways, subways feed onto trams, which feed onto buses. So connect subways/trams to railway stations and buses to subway/tram stops.

[@leftcoastfunk]

came here to say this. two stops serve the same location, then not nearly enough stops along the rest of the road. Need more tram stops and then should move the bus lines to branch out from the tram line rather than running along the same route

[@pagjam]

Trams and traffic will always in each others way when they are on the same roads. In city centres/town areas you need stops fairly close to each other for people to use the tram. When you go outside the main areas of the city you can space out the stops. Trams will never be a "high speed" form of transport. The underground is better suited for that.

[@jayfielding1333]

Need a full bus route redesign. There's like three massive suburbs without any service. No line should run on the tram corridor unless very briefly.

[@leo.hsu.0301]

The distance between each stop is a bit too far, making it less favourable to your citizens. Bring stops closer and you will see people piling up at the tram stop!

[@patrickmcegan7189]

He has no idea this so true

[@leo.hsu.0301]

@@patrickmcegan7189 I can tell. Many people think tram should serve as a long-distance urban transport. But this should be instead handled by inner-city train or subway, not tram.

[@patrickmcegan7189]

@@leo.hsu.0301Trams can certainly be long go far away in the city, generally, you are correct, Metro's or railway lines always should be

[@leo.hsu.0301]

@@patrickmcegan7189 Generally speaking, there should be different modes of transports handling travels of different distance. The question is, how to combine these modes of transports to form a feasible public transport network for citizens. If someone puts tram as mid- to long-distance transport, then there must be some options for short distance travel, like bus or, bike, which is sadly not yet available in CS2... Trying to replace short-distance buses with long-distance trams does not make much sense.

[@tigonologdring9189]

"If we had Node Controller..." We do... _MoveIt_ is the new name for it, kind of... "Manipulation Mode" lets you smoothie smoothie nodes out (hold ALT to get the straight line movement) a bit like you did with the asymmetric road at the end. You might want to check out what _Traffic_ says about that junction BTW as it looks like "unsafe" turns are still happening across the lanes.

[@kaltaron1284]

He even does use it at the end...

[@BrummieFarmer]

if you don't want crossings on the 8 lanes, just add a footbridge close to the tram stop and add a path up to the middle of bridge... should be doable with anarchy

[@bullster1977]

Hey Biffa your residential area with all the no pedestrian access on them will have a hidden park area or similar under them.. delete that, then delete the affected houses and they will build back without the issue

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

I'll take a look just in case thanks, although it seems like a bug with a certain model of level 5 building.

[@TheChrisD]

All that effort to make a turnaround spot, forgetting trams are reversible in this game... 🤦

[@thatguyfaiq7161]

Old habits die hard

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

At that end of the track I prefered it as it made it a nice feature around the park :-)

[@RogerS1978]

​@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines there is one like that in Bucharest if I remember correctly

[@drjonritz]

Hey Biffa, at the very end of the video you squeezed the nodes going into the roundabout which left you room to stretch the node in the turning lane going the opposite direction (the turn you lamented about). . .but you left it short...maybe just stretch it a few car lengths. :)

[@simongeard4824]

Yeah, I don't think it's drivers disobeying the road rules... I think it's just a broken intersection, too many nodes in too short a space, and not helped by using mods to move them around.

[@drjonritz]

@@simongeard4824 Well, at least you understood what I was trying to convey. I did also notice that the smaller cars fit into that turn lane easier (but it looks like a very long taper).

[@AdamHinckley]

you only moved one side of the industry shuttle line so it got two stops after each other, think you meant to get the other one down to that second stop

[@dalearends4216]

Good work on the trams. Right near the end of the video, where you are having issues with the turn lane, try using the traffic mod right at the start of the turning lane. It'll probably show the entry to the turn lane as being unsafe. Assign that as permitted and the vehicles will likely start entering the lane sooner.

[@TheMikelleh]

Worrying about trams impacting traffic isn’t as big as traffic impacting trams. I had a main intersection with a tram stop down the block a bit on a 4 lane road. The trams always got backed up at the intersection because of all the cars using the second lane to go around trams and then take a right. About 40 cars would do this while the tram inches its way to intersection.

[@mver191]

Use the mod.

[@evelynnleague2232]

The distance between the tram stops aren't very efficient

[@RasensprengerTV]

Hi Biffa, appreciate mass transit. From real public transport and it's spacing of stops in germany's capital i can tell you a rule we try to follow: Bus-Stops 200-300 meter Tram-Stops 400-500 meter Subway-Stops 400-1500 meter S-Bahn ("Fast-Rail) 600-2500 meter Commuter-Rail 2,5 km - 20 km All that of cause depends on the density. High density shorter distances and a load of means of traffic, low density high distances and just one or two means (bus + commuter-rail). Could that realism be implemented with actual usage? 😊

[@Teufeltusken]

Just have to call out the Biff Signal riff! Love it!

[@raoulv]

Trams are great to make a city car free, not to hook them up along a 8 lane road along busses and not transfers between lines

[@TheAtomicANetwork]

thanks for the notification removal. Its a very anoying bug with the ped acces notifier. Atleast now i don't have to worry about those anymore in my videos :P

[@PerfectAlibi1]

Making traffic always obey the rules of the road, seems a bit unrealistic. I would like to see police officers ticket rule breakers though. Maybe adding CCTV camera's also make people behave better, as they don't want a ticket. ^^

[@nilscibula5320]

27:40: You can make transitions longer by using the MoveIt-Mod. Enterng the "manipulation-Mode" you can pull the little circles apart and that will have exactly this effect. 34:00: Take "traffic" and make a proper connection to the additional dedicated turning lane. By default there is only a "dashed line"-connection an I think this will end in this stupid very late lane switching

[@Gaming-With-Raymond]

4:04 left side of screen the semi just jackknifed. That was pretty cool to watch

[@AdamHinckley]

the trams are going through the grass roundabout *EDIT* 28:59 you mentioned about it

[@tadhgmurphy8859]

Great video, looking forward to seeing even more massive city expansion, remember to buy those tiles for that river bridge too (the one beside the power lines) that'll lead into the main downtown, think you can also afford to have some more industrial, commercial, office and high hise residential the far side of the tram tracks too, maybe as a mini downtown or secondary area since it does have major access to public transport, public services and one of the main entrance points to the city

[@SiqueScarface]

27:45 But it makes sense from a layout point of view. The assymmetric roads don't have parking spots. The others have. Hence, the tram swerves around the parked cars, but turns to the right most lane in the assymmetric parts.

[@TurpoChargedGaming]

The new road builder mod would be your best friend for some custom tram roads 🤩

[@carriegarrisonvos4433]

I love trams!! I think they are one of the best transportations. Love to watch infrastructure being built!! and getting my giggles in 😁🤩

[@DrakeGamer85]

Nice tram system, perfectly provided by the New Brewburgh Transit Services (NBTS)! I could call it New Urban Transit Services, but Nuts to that idea! 😆

[@LordPhobos6502]

As a tram driver, I approve of this idea.

[@kaltaron1284]

One rule that it would really help if the simulated drivers would obey, is "Never enter a junction unless you are sure that you will be able to exit it.".

[@Brian-bw5hj]

Been binging your videos. I used to play the old sim cities. You’ve convinced me, I’m getting it but I don’t mess with buying games online…ever. I’m also old school not sure how all these mods you guys speak of work. In other words can you make a video explaining everything I just told you I don’t understand. Typing to you from Western Maryland right by the 81 corridor(right north of the 70 intersection) If you like roundabouts start looking around this area

[@strejtone854]

I admired how calmly you talked about improving the roads when the budget was losing 60-80k per tick and millions have evaporated.

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

😅

[@LonaSzink]

the money going down by millions minute by minute in the beginning💀

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

Lol, and I had no clue :P

[@kaltaron1284]

I noticed the red downwards error at the beginning. Didn't think much of it then had a chuckle when Biffa suddenly realized he was broke.

[@cddc2468]

The American defense budget when any country does anything

[@jrealdeal2u]

The fact that the Tram came to a stop right in front of that tree at the turn around had me laughing so much. Enjoying the series Biffa. Thank you for all the great content.

[@Paladun100]

we need transport hubs that handle trams and buses like a transfer station where you have buses picking and swap to trams

[@strongestman10]

this video brought up some old memories I left your channel for good almost 3 years ago lost interest on city skylines now

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

Welcome back!

[@strongestman10]

@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines it feels good to be back thanks man

[@Mephora]

8:05 "This is a super busy road" I'd bet it would be fine with 2, maybe 4 lanes considering how empty this road is

[@OlcayKaraday]

You are one of the best "traffic manager" in the whole community, yet you are doing turn-arounds in the wrong way all the time 😂 trams don't have to cross each other if you change their one way track to the opposite way

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

Life I said in the video, they either cross over going in or they cross over coming out 🤷‍♂️

[@OlcayKaraday]

@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines no they don't 😂 design it like a roundabout, you won't cross over while u-turn in a roundabout. If you are driving on the rhs, turn left-left-left-right, if lhs turn right-right-right-left

[@James-hn3fu]

You can use the traffic mod as well as the mode manipulation tool to make the cars merge as they should!

[@ChubbyStoat]

I think in the first instance instead of putting the tram ON the road, it would be better to put it pesides the road on the suburb side with dedicated pedestrian paths so they don't have to cross your arterial

[@barbarjinx3802]

Sick again? Hope all the kiddos are well.

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

Hay fever really and family is all well thanks :-)

[@EcardEcardian]

@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines Well the common cold fix is the good old chicken soup and rest.

[@delroyclarke1989]

Love the trams episode, got to agree with you on that one, keep it up ❤

[@bradmcgrath358]

When I had the 529 Tiles issue, I just changed the setting back to provide extra tile at final milestone and it relocked all the correct tiles. Though I noticed my money going down before I lost it all.

[@Worldindecline690]

I like how you have the trams running over trees in the roundabouts lol!

[@MrUN87]

The road going into the city makes it hard (or impossible?) to do left hand turns into the ringroad. All due to the slip roads having a great angle to turn right but missing their counterparts to turn left. Probably a good idea for a little upgrade 😊

[@MarcPi]

In the junction in the final part of the video, I think with the Traffic mod you can tell drivers can change lane to use the dedicated one. If not, they are all changing just before the turn.

[@Gaming-With-Raymond]

Biffa video shows up in my feed and my day is suddenly better!

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

😁

[@Mustafa-u9p7c]

I love ur cs2 videos please do more of them😊

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

Thank you! :-)

[@stinkusmcdingus]

biffa, when you did the first round-a-bout with the tram, the tracks are bugged their like going to the side the sharply going back into the middle because the tram tracks were supposed to be like on the side but you changed it, so it didnt change it (its the first round-a-bout near the tram depot)

[@AdamHinckley]

13:10 you got the footpath bridge right next to where you are, so people can get across to the stop on the other side *EDIT* i thought it would be on the outside of the road and not in the middle

[@Viltan]

id love to see a central park type park when you are going to build high rises.

[@DanRamone81]

at 35:05 while u saying that it's not working there is a bunch of cars aligned perfectly :D

[@stevengalloway8052]

😩 Yeah, Biffa, those tram roads can get pretty tricky if they're not connected right. Oy... 😏

[@olumidebashorun3242]

Across the river maybe have British estate full of row houses and at 45k add in a metro

[@andrewwhewell6422]

Upgrading all the roundabouts to have trees in the middle when the tram lines go through the middle as well 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

Not for long ;-)

[@andrewwhewell6422]

@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines never doubted you 😂

[@sadbear101]

Had a fence in the road at the very end there, looks like an easy fix

[@Gibboh]

Watching the three red arrows next to your budget is scary lol

[@DCSMITTYGA]

I think metro (subway would be a great Idea underground and it doesn't cause road issues

[@nexusdog]

@Biffa Thank you for another great video. Is there a mod which allows you to pin/tag a point of interest? Thought it might be useful to add pins with a variety of signs, like roadworks for example, as a note to self if there are issues or something needs reworking? Thanks again

[@Incogneto1981]

I came back to this game for a short while. BUT MY GOD the crashes.... I'd rather watch you play than stress out about the game crashing again.

[@SirSharkus]

Towards the end you tried to fix a left turn lane and it just wouldn't work for you, isn't it because you worked on the wrong side of the road? At 33:02 your pink circle mod is showing lane options for the left turn lane which you're trying to change around, but you did all the work on the other side of the road. If you did what you did, but on the node shown at the mentioned timestamp, wouldn't that fix it?

[@nikafrolova7874]

Did anyone already mention park fence in the middle of the road at 32:53 ? (On the left) It made it through its second episode, lol

[@mccraveiro]

Is it possible to make a ramp from that overpass to the tram stop in the middle of the road? Also, that tram roundabout should be the other way around the park. That would avoid trams crossing each other.

[@bbbenj]

Thanks a lot 👍

[@olli8977]

About node control-can you use move it becose you can also adjust these ”small nodes”

[@Grazyfarmer]

I have all at 50 dollars a ticket and all rides are populair, My city is flourishing I even build a International Airport last night. But still in vanilla there is no challenge... Still waiting for the famous traffic manager mod. that one was so good..

[@Cities-By-Maps]

Hey Biffa have you tried manipulation on the roads with tram tracks to make it smoother and less of a sharper turn just a thought. 🤔

[@rynezuzinec688]

You can do elevated tram stops!

[@ormancadam6453]

You really need the highway that's going through the town you can never solve the traffic issue with that kind of population and just using avenues

[@ZTK-RC]

When Cities Skylines 3 comes up you should found New Neuberg

[@TS_Mind_Swept]

Go away

[@charlesingram9471]

my 260k city has all tiles unlocked i just let that be and set to 40% same as you and im still making 40 mill a month now i have 3 solar farms, that helps xD its settled down now after the update. I do have an issue though on a few random short section of roads or a junction, i had 100s of cims just stuck not moving, all wealthy some in jobs supposedly enroute to them or unemployed and just stood there still. i deleted a whole bunch 100s! from 2 croosroads and a short bridge between them. let it run and while the issue doesnt seem to be as bad i still have the odd cim getting stuck on the same bridge, there arent and random broken paths, its all sidewalks. also having an issue atm with 0 demand for anything, cant build anything, i have taxes at res 9% everything else at 11%. i could drop them to 0 and itll probably give me some demand back, but it just seems odd. actually looking around its a lot more widespread than i thought, literally half the cims on the map are stuck omg! i see a very rare one break free as im deleting them but i now feel its in vain because there are slowly and surely getting stuck again. this is a massive bug. in general, or just my city, or big cities, i dont know.

[@TierZGG]

I'm having the zero demands on all residential low & mid & high, is say that there is unoccupied building, does anyone knows tge fix for that

[@richarderguiza7080]

for the traffic violations, maybe a mod that makes it so that the police in your city can delete those violators? ...too real?

[@darcylambrick5287]

You didnt really come across it in this video, but if you use an asymmetrical road the trams will never ever use the turning lane and have to go to the outside lane from the middle median :( cant wait for the road builder mod

[@darcylambrick5287]

also we need asymmetrical roads with medians

[@jabcmw1]

CPPs last upload wad about a road builder mod

[@TS_Mind_Swept]

8:04 Butt isn't the point of trams, etc. to get people _off_ the road so that it's not super busy anymore?...

[@WillyLangley]

Nice Video!

[@Ko.Ge4711]

Nice Video! Will you play GTA 6 when it comes out?

[@stephenlloydco]

I would like a daylight cycle which goes from sunrise to sunset but skips nighttime. Playing in the dark sucks and playing with static light is boring.

[@blechtic]

I think you didn't edit the nodes of the lane going left. Could that be why the cars drove exactly the same as before?

[@yellowcraion]

big fan of trams!

[@davidwhite3337]

Cool 😎 beans Biffa

[@elitekinggaming2832]

The Best way is putting your Train Underground.

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

Not always 👍😁

[@rellyrelishes]

I see the bot comments are out in full effect

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

Not for long! (Even though they were very complimentary) :P

[@axell.576]

Question to all the pro´s here (and Biffa!): Would you recommend buying Cities 2 now, or would it still be better to wait some more time? So, in terms of playability and fun? Or still too many weird things?

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

I'm having lots of fun 😁

[@axell.576]

@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines ❤Well, obviously, otherwise I wouldn´t watch 😉

[@ani27968]

KING BIFFA

[@davidbne30]

all the buses not stopping on both sides of the roads in both directions gives me terrible CS Anxiety

[@fooboo98]

Cars changing lanes at the very last second is an American thing . It’s very annoying but it’s realistic

[@georgethomas7814]

Always with the trams...... Why ain't the underground available earlier. London had them very early on in the development of the City.

[@S_nomiL]

Hey biffa. Instead of deleting industry and shops and homes. Can u use the move it mod?

[@simongeard4824]

You keep saying "so, so, busy!", when there's half a dozen cars in a half-mile stretch of a 6-lane arterial...

[@memory-of-a-dream]

5:15 Biffa worrying about cars getting stuck behind the trams instead of trams getting stuck behind þe cars. You're turning more American with each upload m8. p.s. þat upgrade to a 6 lane road doesn't look it's warranted given the low amount of traffic. 2 lane wiþ dedicated tram tracks looks ok to my eyes. but þen again þis is 5 am traffic, we're not into rush hour yet, so I might be legit 🤷🏻‍♂ 22:55 oh I did þat mistake too. Move it back cause you trams will end up blocking þe junction if you leave it like þis!

[@charlesingram9471]

oh and do you know whats going on with Gooee? move it requires it to be removed but that legacy visual mod that we all use needs gooee.

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

Mods have moved on and gooey is not being maintained anymore 👍

[@jessechapmanphotography]

What base map are you using?

[@jasonderrick8581]

How do you get the floating orange tool bar

[@stevenwilson67]

There is a mod that makes the cars not change lanes so abruptly. Smoothens them out.

[@stevenwilson67]

Oh sorry that was a CS1 mod I was mistakenly thinking was CS2

[@Eulengreif]

The 40% upkeep is a litle bit too mutch in my opinion. On the one side you said you would like to play a game with more difficulty but then you reduced the upkeep to 40%. I don't understand it, i gues. And yes i have sean the initial video where the game is dieing because of the tile cost. I still love your videos. :)

[@gauravyadav8937]

Ambulance calls are due to the dirty water.

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

😬

[@joelwhitaker9018]

Biffa have u seen the road builder mod cause i know city planner did his video on it and it looks interesting and maybe something u like using

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

I have 👍

[@bugritall]

Is that tiles bug fixable without Dev Mode?

[@BigHappysPlace]

Remember, the game currency is Cimollions.