Calmly Destroying Christian Apologists with Science for an Hour

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

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[@Leszek.Rzepecki]

I think the underlying problem with the Tureks of the world is that they are resolutely wedded to the notion of an eternal soul that is the real seat of human personality, feelings and thoughts, and they deny agency to the real biological factors that determine them, and have have influence during both embryological maturation and post-natal development. So to me - I'm a cis gay male for context - it comes as no surprise that brains can be feminised or masculinised during development in ways opposite to the rest of the body. It doesn't surprise me either that just as you can get inttesexed individuals with respect to somatic genitalia, primary or secondary, you can get a mix of brain sexualisation. A lot of sex happens between the ears, after al Until the Tureks accept these biological determinants, rather than their unspecified, vague and foggy notion of souls, they are never going to have a hope of understanding what they are dealing with, and will continue to harm LGBTQ+ folk.

[@operaven]

the one thing in you vid I disagree w/ is the thing about hrt for kids. it does happen & its actually good, long term puberty blockers use can cause issues. long term puberty blocker use is just a way to appease cis people who don't want to accept the kid is trans so they make them hold off. its not actually a good thing vs starting hrt

[@unyu-cyberstorm64]

@@operavenissues like living longer yes.

[@noel.gonsalves]

Hey Drew, I think you mixed up Seth Dillon (the Babylon Bee guy) with Seth McFarlane (the guy speaking to Bill Maher at 1:10:46) I'm not sure about any of McFarlane's political views but he definitely wasn't the target of your jibe. I'm not sure if you've already addressed this error in another comment, so I thought I'd point it out. Thanks for the video btw. I had already shared your excerpt of it from last week with my enby partner and it definitely gave us some talking points against transphobes we might encounter.

[@aaad3552]

I like how you just ignore the the biggest influencial speaker of those subjects jordan peterson in a video talking about them. I just dont trust modern collage and journalism man.

[@watermelonmpls]

If homosexual friends of mine only hung out with me because they wanted to convert me out of heterosexuality, I would be horrified. Telling Christian straight kids to befriend people in order to make them straight is so messed up.

[@blootooth00]

This point honestly does not get talked about enough. We talk about how it's rude or persecutory when Christians constantly try to convert others, but we do not speak enough on the trauma associated with fake friendships based on conversion. I hate evangelical behavior like putting up road signs that say: "if you die today, where will you go." That kind of thing is ugly, rhetorically bankrupt, and obnoxious, but at least i can drive past it. But you know what actually has left me with deep trauma? The amount of friends I have had that saw me as some sort of conversion project (bear in mind I was already Christian), strung me along for my entire adolescence under the guise of close friendship, but obviously didn't know or care deeply about me. This was my entire youth group. And the fact of the matter is, when a church doesn't want you anymore, it's not a separation by tears and pain and grief, it's a soulless disbarment of a group against an individual who they feel no longer deserves their love. It's disgusting. And even further, if the "friend" felt and took pride in having been your "shepherd", expect anger and lashing out whenever they feel you're straying from their path. At least when I love and show compassion for people as an atheist, it is unconditional and driven from a desire to benefit the lives of others, not a mechanism of my pride and savior complex.

[@isaacblanchard7598]

Wait, you don’t know that’s the entire reason queers hang out with cishets? We’re always working on the agenda.

[@fishboy3612]

@@blootooth00ya when you see a person as a project, and you are saying you have a relationship with them you misunderstand what a relationship is.

[@SofieSybella]

Befriending someone just to try to change them sounds a lot like abuse…

[@blootooth00]

@SofieSybella Oh, it definitely is, and I didn't even get into specifics of the relationship dynamics. But it is painfully common. I've been approached many times to start those kinds of "friendships" and have had the good judgement to not engage. But the ones that you don't see coming are the ones that are truly abusive. It's caused me a massive amount of difficulty in forming genuine connections as an adult, because it is a deep invasion amd perversion of trust.

[@chilltheheckoutwithava1454]

“I’m being treated poorly for treating people poorly! 😡“

[@pufffincrazy5275]

You’re violating my religious freedom to violate other people’s human rights!

[@WinterWitch01]

So I’m the victim, I’m being persecuted.

[@silvercloud1641]

@@pufffincrazy5275 Misusing freedom of religion. While ignoring "all are created equal" and "separation of church and state." /Religious conservatives "under attack." Anyone on the left trying to ban straight marriage?

[@silvercloud1641]

@@WinterWitch01 Anyone on the left trying to ban straight marriages?

[@Leafsdude]

"I'm being treated poorly for treating people poorly. Let me treat people poorly in peace! Stop being such a hypocrite!" FIFY.

[@CaydeElric]

I actually laughed out loud when he said , "Now Christians are being treated poorly." The neverending persecution complex of Christians when they are the dominant religion in the US, occupy basically every level of government, and are only being asked to not discriminate is ridiculous and laughable.

[@qa377]

I mean it says they'll be persecuted in their holy book, so it must be true!

[@RookS-nf4nm]

When you're used to privilege, equality is oppression.

[@mahatmarandy5977]

Christians are certainly *not* being persecuted in the US. However, to be fair, there actually *are* Christians being persecuted elsewhere. China, Iran, North Korea, some places in Africa, etc. We tend to assume that since people aren’t being persecuted *here,* they’re not being persecuted anywhere, and, unfortunately, that’s not the case. Don’t take my word for it, *I* wouldn’t take my word on it, but you can check the UN and Amnesty International and various other secular sources.

[@dusty52267]

@@mahatmarandy5977 I'm an atheist and I think this is a fantastic comment. Provides context and reason. Well done.

[@Extraterrestrial-Bilu]

But sometimes someone says "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas"! 😰

[@atlas6864]

trans man here! i would rather someone call me a slur than have a christian 'compassionately' hate and degrade me.

[@DegeneratesLikeYou]

Sad, hope you get better soon miss

[@RyanGButler]

​@@DegeneratesLikeYou Kiss an oncoming train

[@A_Eye-29]

Same. Only I'm a gay woman in a Muslim household who has to sit through lectures where a sheikh says the exact things as the Christian apologist in this video.

[@thischurchbasement]

for real for real

[@SomeoneOnlyWeKnow.]

When Christians say _"why is it wrong to hurt people if there isn't a god who will punish you for it"_ it's so disturbing

[@KateCat420]

I don't trust anyone that needs a supernatural being to explain the difference between good and wrong to them

[@TheNukedNacho]

Yeah that argument implies that they're severely lacking in compassion, and are instead operating out of fear of punishment instead.

[@CaleBradley]

No. We are explaining where the standard comes from. Not that we need God in order to behave kindly. Just explaining that atheist’s don’t provide a good reason for its fundamental existence as a law in nature. Christians also don’t operate out of fear of God. We operate out of Love for God and for others. God bless.

[@SomeoneOnlyWeKnow.]

@@CaleBradley Atheists aren't a single group which believe the same thing. But personally, I don't like causing people suffering because I can imagine experiencing suffering myself and recognise that other people are also people just like me. If you don't need god to tell you what things are good and bad, how do you know the standard comes from god? _"Fundamental existence as a law in nature"_ - I'm not sure what you mean by this. It's not a fundamental law of nature. And by nature, do you mean in the universe itself or in biology and life? In life it's really quite simple, a species that cooperates and supports eachother is able to outcompete a species which does the opposite in many environments. That's where these things come from evolutionarily. I see no reason to believe there is some kind of universal standard of what is right or wrong, we as people and a society collectively decide what that is and everyone individually has their own ideas.

[@eternallusion]

They're basically admitting that they would do all of these awful things if they didn't think god existed.

[@amtm94]

"stop punching me" "But my God told me to" "I don't think that's true, but either way, stop punching me" *Continues punching* "but what's your moral standard, hmm?"

[@fishboy3612]

“Is it intrinsically wrong for me to punch you?” “No but you should stop” “A book/person told me it was intrinsically moral for me to punch you so no”

[@nicked_fenyx]

"My friend at Starbucks told me punching people like you actually helps you." "It doesn't. It actually hurts. A lot." "That's your interpretation of the situation." "...please stop."

[@grunklesam787]

@@fishboy3612 "But there's no way me punching you could be wrong without my God existing. So by telling me to stop punching you, you're saying that God is real."

[@Amethyst.]

words is NOT violence buddy.

[@emmanuel1337]

​@@Amethyst. Depends on how you're defining the term, but if you take it to strictly be physical harm, then words can still very, very easily lead to it.

[@greg-op2jh]

I am gay. I have known since I was 7. I was never sexually abused until later on in life way after I had come out. I was 23 and was drunk and high. But that had nothing to do with it. My partner never has either and he had a wonderful childhood. This is a load of crap this idea it's because of trauma. The only trauma I have had was in the Christian church. Praying everyday to not be gay and being told I was an abomination. That's what drove me to numb with drugs and alcohol. I am agnostic now and much happier.

[@DrachenGothik666]

I'm sorry you went through that. Religion ruins everything, including people's lives. **HUGS**

[@SammyLammy1D]

Same. I came out long before my trauma. I knew I was gay (lesbian) before I got catcalled for the first time (I was 11 when I realised I was gay and 12 when catcalled). I am so angry that people still, in 2024, claim that being gay (or any other type of queer) is a trauma response.

[@greg-op2jh]

​@@DrachenGothik666❤❤thank you love

[@greg-op2jh]

​@@SammyLammy1Dit's ridiculous

[@thekinglymidas]

this is terrible, i’m so sorry you had to endure not only religious abuse but sexual abuse that people keep saying is the reason you are who you are. it’s sickening and i couldn’t even begin to imagine the toll it took on you, i’m glad you’re happier now. have a great day

[@Chloe7270]

I'm getting so tired of this "cut off perfectly good body parts" from the people who have been insisting on circumcision for ages!

[@blouburkette]

I need people to screech this as loud as they can.

[@olemew]

So cutting a little bit is wrong but cutting the penis or breasts of teenagers is "compassionate" and "inclusive" ?

[@saratoga6663]

@@olemew not teenagers they're only performed on adults, plus those surgeries require sign off from a qualified psychiatrist (which requires years of evidence that it will benefit you, they're not treated like tattoos which you can go and get at 18 without any second thought)

[@olemew]

@@saratoga6663 First, I'm glad you agree that is barbaric and evil, and not compassonate and inclusive. Secondly, sadly, that's not true. You can google trans teens breasts removed or trans teen top surgery and you'll find hundreds of examples, both in and outside of the US (eg Canada). Not only from detransitioners and conservatives, but also from journalists trying to normalize it.

[@saratoga6663]

@@olemew well I only think it would be evil if it was performed on someone who didn’t truly know or were unhappy with the results afterwards. Which is why GRS is highly difficult to get. I didn’t know that top surgery was possible at 16+ but I’m pretty sure that one would still have to have extensive history at that point to make sure there is no mistake being made. In Australia someone under 18 can go through a medical procedure if they fully understand the nature and consequences of the procedure (this is for any procedure, like if they had to have an appendix removed they’d have to completely understand the nature and consequences of the procedure) so it’s unlikely that a woman is going to have too surgery. Also, if a man (born male) with gynomastia (development of breasts) was to have the same procedure done to him at 16 would you say that’s evil and barbaric? Compared to a trans man, who is in the same position the only difference was he was born with the expectation that it would be “normal” for him to develop breasts rather than abnormal

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

Sorry for the occasional glitches in the graphics. This project nearly destroyed my computer and I couldn’t buff those out no matter what. I hope they’re not too distracting.

[@מ.מ-ה9ד]

Couldn't you at least make the video 1:11:11 long?

[@RicDevs]

​@@מ.מ-ה9ד Why does the duration of the video matter?

[@tsuribachi]

@@RicDevs for 5 number 1 I guess

[@OmegaOtouto]

Doesn't bother me; I listen to you in the background, like a podcast.

[@מ.מ-ה9ד]

@@RicDevs Because some people have OCD. (Not me, but it would've been a terrible feeling).

[@Green-ishEcho]

"why is murder wrong?" Do I want get murdered? No? So why would I want to go murder other people? "How do you base morality?" Compassion, empathy and the golden rule. Treat other people as I would want to be treated. "Isn't that subjective?" Yes it is, it always has been. The magic book isn't even consistent either. Society works pretty damn good without it.

[@ikaro342]

And like, expanding the first one: Would I have a good time or a bad time if someone close to me is murdered? Therefore, would I inflict those feelings upon others? Compassion is one of the things that separate us from many animals, renouncing it as if it came from a divinity is extremely dehumanizing.

[@LineOfThy]

@@JD-wu5pf The golden rule isn't completely objective either. If you're a masochist, does that mean you're allowed to hurt others?

[@justsomerandomhomie1794]

The basis of Morality seems to be sort of objective.

[@nicked_fenyx]

​@@LineOfThy I get your point and generally agree, but your masochist example is a bit flawed. If someone is a true masochist and enjoys physical pain, for example, the golden rule would be to treat others in a way that they also enjoy. Which, unless those other people also happen to be masochists who've given consent, would not include inflicting pain on them. To put it in another context, the golden rule doesn't suggest I force every guest in my home to eat chocolate cake with crackers just because I find it delicious. It instead suggests I offer guests the types of food that they enjoy eating, because I myself enjoy eating food I find delicious.

[@nicked_fenyx]

Well said. Also, the number of Christians I've known who believe Jesus invented the golden rule is astounding. He didn't. We can find writings stating this same rule going as far back as 3,000 BC. The golden rule existed long before Christianity.

[@njhoepner]

Thanks for taking up this issue again! I was still an evangelical christian when my younger child announced to me that "she" was actually "he." We resisted this idea for TWO YEARS...prayer, therapy, debates...whatever else it was, it was not a "fad" nor a "sudden onset" even if it seemed that way to us surprised parents. We finally accepted our child's insistence and supported the transition...the turnaround in mental health, happiness, and confidence was and is profound. That was five years ago. We got our kid back...and that means more to me than ten thousand bibles.

[@robertcarsten4050]

Literally tearing up over here. It takes a strong person to accept new information, realize they may be wrong, and really put in the work the think and change. It's so common to see repugnant ideas lobbed from parents to their children that don't conform for one reason or another. It might not have been a smooth road to the destination, but I think your story is beautiful and so very human

[@njhoepner]

@@robertcarsten4050 It wasn't easy. My son was persistent. About all I can say for my wife and I is that we never accepted the idea of parents disowning children.

[@MK-uz4mo]

How old is that child of yours? She sounds very young.

[@alarcon99]

@@MK-uz4moyou mean his SON, you troll

[@potatopitoto3301]

@@alarcon99they mean he*. they said child unless they edited it.

[@meltyonk5809]

As a now atheist trans girl who was raised in a baptist household, thank you. Genuinely thank you. You’re so calm and actually put real facts and common sense into this. And you’re just so fun to watch and I hope you have a bright future and become a more recognized figure than those of bs conservatives on tv.

[@olemew]

I hope you come to good terms with your own body and natural identity. It is possible to do from reason and contemplation alone.

[@meltyonk5809]

@@olemew I am, I’m a girl

[@olemew]

@@meltyonk5809 there's a disagreement between your brain and your body. Your brain's choice of who's correct is an unfortunate case of judge and jury.

[@VlNCEY]

@@olemew They are in good terms with their body now. beings trans is like dissonance in a song, it rarely ever i good like rarely. but if you instead turn that dissonance into a harmony you got a beyonce level song a beautiful song. How would you tell intersex people this, telling them to come to good terms with their natural body when their natural body is something that you obviously could never understand. And I just realized you were being a transphobe above too.. how does them being trans affect you, and if it doesn't then why do you care what they do with their own body especially if that action makes them no longer depressed (atleast depressed from dysphoria).

[@olemew]

@@VlNCEY many points brought up. About being in harmony, that's very offensive towards detransitioners and victims of transex surgery (eg infected vaginoplasty). Intersex people are completely unrelated, but good try. They're scientifically defined and verifiable/deniable. It affects me personally because I was almost a victim, Truth matters, and I care about preventing child abuse. Finally, I do not identify as transphobic so I'm going to ask you to apologize and stop using that terminology on me.

[@whysocurious7366]

Things to believe your friend who works at Starbucks told you: -they’re having a sale next week -they’re discontinuing the pumpkin spice latte tomorrow Things to DOUBT your friend who works at Starbucks about: -every lgbt person ever was the result of childhood SA I don’t understand why Frank thinks Starbucks employees know everything about every lgbt person ever. Maybe he just has no respect for the intelligence levels of his audience.

[@NoodleKeeper]

She's on his board or something. He mentioned that at the very beginning. Still doesn't give her credibility on LGBT issues

[@vik4416]

this is why i only take my moral guidance from people on the bus. admittedly on my way to starbucks, but do note the distinction.

[@watcher235711]

Another point...why are there so many abused people in their church? It seems like a Bad Place.

[@jaybirdsgames]

I remember almost outing myself on facebook because someone shared a video that claimed that every bi woman had an absent/abusive father. I desperately wanted to tell them about how great my relationship with my dad was even though it would out me to my entire homophobic extended family.

[@whysocurious7366]

@@jaybirdsgamesthat’s interesting.. I wonder how many anti-lgbt folks have closeted friends/family that they will NEVER be trusted by..

[@bobbabai]

Turek empathizes with LGBTQ people and their struggle. All while making their struggle necessary, all by himself.

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

The classic: “Convince people they’re sick and then sell them the cure.”

[@MantasticHams]

Okay maybe this is a borderline cringe response, not sure i even agree with it but to play devils advocate i'll say it aloud anyway: Perhaps its easy for him to rationalize that type of behavior when it matches how he views his "Loving creator" He's had to really do some Mental Gymnastics to get to a kind of sadistic conception of love, and so now the mental muscles in his mental limbs are just absolutely jacked, so he can jump the mental hurdles like an absolute madman. Anyways i had a bit of fun with the imagery there lol, but to make it simple my point is he's mimicking the behavior of an all-living god who also wants everyone to suffer. Art imitates life imitates art imitates life imitates...

[@Callimo]

​@MantasticHams I mean, you may have something there. Turek's idea of "love" and "justice" might be majorly fucked and so, he probably can't (or refuses to see) the harm that those ideals cause. He's probably rationalized a lot of bullshit because he has such a narrow view of what life is anyways. So basically, this guy could say a lot of messed up shit and any pushback gets a "whoa whoa whoa, I meant that in love!"

[@ChristopherSadlowski]

​@@MantasticHams interesting hypothesis. You should be a scientist! I mean, that's a lot of work, so if you don't want to go through all the hoops to be a scientist you should pass this idea onto someone who does social research.

[@presentfuture7563]

@@MantasticHams No, that's absolutely the case. Although I usually say that they've twisted themselves into pretzels so often to justify God's so-called love that they've become permanently twisted.

[@penutpickle5437]

I absolutely love the phrasing of "disagree" in terms of homosexuality. Guy: I'm a homosexual. Christian: Nah, I disagree.

[@HungryWarden]

I disagree that they disagree.

[@penutpickle5437]

@@HungryWarden Sorry, I completely disagree.

[@HungryWarden]

@@penutpickle5437 To elaborate, I meant I disagree that they can disagree with a fact.

[@magicrectangleEnt]

Glad some people find it funny or amusing, I can really only find it terrifying. When someone tells you who they are, believe them the first time. That includes when their answer to a piece of information as simple as you disclosing your sexuality is “No. I have supplanted my answer for what you believe you are onto yourself preemptively, and you may not now have your ability to describe yourself back.”

[@penutpickle5437]

Maybe we should start using this in the other direction. Guy: I'm a Christian. Other guy: Nah. I disagree.

[@Splinter-ge9pf]

"My friend befriends these young girls all the time" Is something you SHOULD NOT SAY as a religious leader

[@lepidoptera9337]

It might be one time that he is telling the truth. ;-)

[@harrietjameson]

well they do think eyewitness is pretty good evidence

[@Chia-rae]

My mere existence disproves the argument of "I've never met a lesbian who wasn't abused".

[@pedromonteiro1695]

He said he never met. Have u met him ?

[@ExtraVictory]

​@@pedromonteiro1695he did say "never met" so he in particular wasnt disproved by this, but it is evidence that might make someone think twice if they believe everyone gay was abused

[@pedromonteiro1695]

@@ExtraVictory I didn’t say otherwise. People is this line of work are very careful with their words.

[@melodyonrepeat2928]

Same!

[@salorarainriver7278]

Me, a lesbian who was also never sexually abused: yea mood

[@davidbritnn]

Who in heck would ever think that coming out as trans would be an attempt to fit in?! I can promise you as soon as my daughter came out we were very aware that we would get pushed to the margins of society. That's not fitting in. People didn't applaud her here in Alabama for sure. That paragraph was the biggest bunch of BS claims I might have ever heard concerning transgenderism. No, my daughter was never sexually assaulted nor did she have any unique traumas in her childhood nor did she have any reason to want to 'stick it' to her parents. And I can name other families who would say that same. How insipid that whole statement was is stunning to me.

[@attackofveganpotatoes1074]

It’s a ridiculous argument only topped by people who claim that “gay teens are *encouraged* to become trans” (often used by TERFs/“LGB” supporters about trans men). Because *apparently* trans people are more accepted than gay people in our society????? Completely anecdotal but never in my life have I met a person who’s homophobic but just cool with trans people. It makes no sense.

[@falcon_arkaig]

Tbh the only way me, a trans guy, can fit in is just to not come out to a whole lot of people. These people who say trans people only come out to fit in are delusional and think every trans person lives in a leftist trans affirming utopia

[@CorwinFound]

Trans guy here. As many best wishes as I can send to your daughter, you, and your family. I dealt with backlash coming out at 45. I can't imagine how difficult it would be for a young person. Thank you for being a supportive parent! That choice has a huge and lifelong impact for your child.

[@davidbritnn]

@@CorwinFound Thank you, my friend. Much appreciated.

[@isaacblanchard7598]

Yeah, it’s awesome that you’re supportive of your children, we need more of that- But your absolutely right, coming out as queer doesn’t make you fit in (my parents still ‘joke’ about disowning me) I think people make this argument/believe this argument because if people are making these choices to be “cool” then bullying them and attacking them for it is much more okay and they don’t need to examine the moral conundrum further

[@esbenm6544]

Frank's "trump card" is just the most basic misunderstanding of philosophy

[@Reverend_Salem]

and science. and culture. and the bible.

[@Cajek2]

People need to take intro to philosophy These stupid "hOw Do YoU hAvE MorAls wItHouT biBBLe?????" arguments can easily be answered

[@braetondavis143]

Yes, I have sat in class rooms with him teaching before and trust me his past trump cards have been worse. He would straw man secular people as believing objective truth doesn’t exist at all and would say with the stupidest smile, “oh you don’t believe in objective truth? Is that objectively true? Is this chair real”🙄

[@Clb9000]

Elaborate. Personally, I disagree with Frank, but I understand where he is coming from. It's a very famous problem in philosophy. The grounding problem, complete skepticism, or the knowledge problem. Frank presupposes god to solve the problem, I presuppose logic, my and assume my senses work. Both of these assumptions (mine and his), in the face of philosophy, are completely arbitrary and baseless. He thinks god isn't arbitrary, but it is. Just like mine. I just think mine are more conservative.

[@_Sloppyham]

@@Clb9000 people can claim objective morality all they want but they doesn’t mean they aren’t full of shit.

[@sethmcbride1458]

“My friend, who’s a megachurch pastor, says…” He might as well have said: My least credible friend claims…

[@BluePhoenix_]

"My [Pastor] friend befriends these little girls" leaves a VERY bitter taste in my mouth.

[@katherineg9396]

That made my skin crawl.

[@UtahSustainGardening]

And he clearly didn't want to name his friend! Very creepy....

[@nuclearpancake3683]

Uh oh-

[@eoghanclark165]

I thought the same thing...

[@jenndieringer1281]

Glad I wasn't the only one very creeped out by that!

[@goosie8207]

When he said he didn’t know a lesbian who wasn’t abused, it just shows how few lesbians he knows. Immoral people like him don’t care about queer people, they want to live in their fantasy world we don’t exist. As a trans person who had a good and supportive childhood, outside of being lied to about god and gaslit into denying who I am, I’m not trans because of mistreatment as a child, I’m trans and was different so my experience was not that of average cis people.

[@cyclesofstrength]

Agreed. Anecdotes are NOT evidence, but if you are hearing that a lot of women are being abused, maybe it should highlight how often afab people (cis and genderqueer folk) have been abused (statistically by cis men). Hearing his bad anecdotal "evidence" only reminded me that afab and different gendered people in general are more likely to experience harm. Maybe it's a bad take, let me know if it is.

[@ettaetta439]

Even ignoring the fact that lesbians who were never abused exist, the rate of women getting SA'ed is so high. Him not knowing a lesbian who wasn't abused is not a feature of lesbians, it's a feature of systemic abuse of women, particularly female children, that churches continue to promote. Really shows his lack of intelligence and critical thinking.

[@iwkaoy8758]

I'm curious, dew you no inn knee gay trans pea pole? Example - a lesbian Woman born inn Amens body ore a straight man born inn a womens body?

[@UncleSamsoniteLover69]

It also revealed how little about women and their struggle he knows. The majority of sexual violence is against women. Within the lgbt community, multiple studies indicate that lgbt individuals are at an increased risk of sexual violence compared to their heterosexual, cisgender counterparts. But even so, statically afab members of the lgbt community face the most amount of sexual violence compared to amab members. Notice a pattern? Women are more likely to be victimized, regardless of their orientation. To single out lesbians in this conversation is moronic, and is just another example of this man divorcing real scientific findings of their original context just to suit his own narrative.

[@bluegum6438]

Sadly, it's actually very common to have been SA'd at some point in your life, so if it made people queer there would be a lot more queer people

[@livliveart]

As a now-agnostic trans girl who grew up in the Church of Christ in Texas... I needed this. Thank you so much. ❤🏳️‍⚧️

[@Sepi-chu_loves_moths]

🏳️‍⚧️❤️

[@sassylittleprophet]

I'm an atheist non-binary witch who was raised in (and left) the Independent Fundamental Baptist cult. I hear you 💛🤍💜🖤🏳️‍⚧️

[@marknieuweboer8099]

I am as straight as an arrow, plus white and male, and wish folks like you (plural) all the strength you need against extremists like Turek. Unfortunately I know some unbelievers are as bigot.

[@CrsD-Assxssin]

I couldn't even imagine the disgusting experience of the puritan church of America. I am an atheist living in Italy and I don't see people who attack gay people, but not much, because more and more people are becoming atheists. I can't say I hear you because that's alien to me, but I do not lack compassion and I wish you best

[@leopardsun]

Fellow agnostic trans girl here. Stay strong out there sister ✊️🏳️‍⚧️

[@Ostrich12]

"The fastest and easiest way to fit in in todays social media culture? Its to claim your trans." is a take that is so unbelievably out of touch its insane

[@bobbabai]

I can't stand listening to Turek recount stories about violence against non-straight people, apparently believing he is modeling empathy and compassion. He tries to make them personal. And then he turns around and says the victims' sexual behavior is wrong because God says it's wrong. Turek is disgusting. His behavior is cold, sociopathic. It makes it almost impossible for me to get through this video.

[@Neurodivergent_RN]

It's part of their trick - acting like they are being caring, while belittling and infanticizing trans people. It makes my stomach turn.

[@whysocurious7366]

Turek has a lot of blood on his hands.

[@fishboy3612]

What he was just using empathy towards the people that he is causing the problem for to convince people of his argument? What’s so wrong with weaponizing empathy and using bed evidence?

[@marcdc6809]

Turek has a pHd on 'making it up as he goes along' he got very badly Hitchslapped in the days...

[@herbevans2727]

Turek disgusts me more every time I hear him talk.

[@TAEYYO]

It's always been obvious to me that you can't choose your sexuality. I know because I'm straight and no matter the circumstance, I've never been able to find men sexually arousing. I'm straight and I can't change that. I feel like the fact that so many people think you _can_ change your sexuality--points to bisexuality being much more common than we think. There must be a lot of bisexual Christians--otherwise how could they believe such a silly thing?

[@SparklyCoconut-le3fu]

Oh are you saying you have empathy? Not that woke garbage again.

[@Wolf-ln1ml]

@@m00sing Ever heard of charitable listening? You must have, because you're doing the *_exact_* oppposite here...

[@NoneAvailable592]

Sexuality is very obviously part nature and part nurture.

[@Wolf-ln1ml]

@@NoneAvailable592 Found someone else who is neither a 1 nor a 7 on the Kinsey scale - i.e. someone who is to _some_ degree bisexual.

[@NoneAvailable592]

If it feels better to make you say this then go ahead. Why do you think 1/4th of USA youth now identify as LGBTQ? No societal influence on that? @@Wolf-ln1ml

[@Lukenizado]

“The lady from Starbucks told me this story” is borderline satirical evidence. How can you not step back and realize you sound like a Tim Robinson sketch

[@jamesgreen5298]

"God came to me in a dream" and "Jesus changed my heart" is the same quality of evidence. Why accept testimony, then?

[@The8BitPianist]

But it was ALL 4 OF THEM! That's gotta be representative!

[@DrachenGothik666]

@@jamesgreen5298 Because "anecdotes is not the plural of evidence", that's why. It's terrible evidence. Basing one's evidence on _feelings_ is no way to run a study or to collect data.

[@jamesgreen5298]

@@DrachenGothik666 and that's what I mean to point out. These people, the Christian Apologists, give such overwhelming weight to testimony and anecdote. Weak evidence it is, but they use it as a hammer.

[@irrelevant_noob]

@@DrachenGothik666 you have that quote backwards... Should be "plural of anecdotes is not evidence." 🧐

[@hyperbeamattack775]

Man why can’t LGBT+ people just be seen as normal people. They’re capable of being sociable, having a job, contributing to society, all that. Sex and gender has zero effect on a person’s value.

[@PitchBlack0000]

Because the religious. One problem, one solution.

[@Amoeby]

Because it's wrong.

[@regularaccount-m8t]

@@Amoeby How are queer people harming you. How am I "wrong" for being aroace?

[@Psenkaa]

​​@@PitchBlack0000there are many people that are religious and not anti lgbt and many people that are not religious and anti lgbt. Yes, there are more religious homophobes but its not the main problem at all

[@WaterRemi]

@@Amoebyyou’re wrong

[@qarsiseer]

I’m a trans woman who transitioned a decade ago, and I remember being initially concerned with the spike of youth who were afab transitioning. It seemed to go against my experience and what I had heard: that trans women were more common than trans men. It turns out that was never the case! A really clever historical study where US name change records were combed over to find clear gender changes in names. It turns out trans men were always more common by this metric! In general thanks to more acceptance of GNC behavior we’re seeing trans people of all kinds transitioning younger and living fuller lives. And that’s so awesome!

[@awkwardukulele6077]

That’s still crazy to think about, with how most transphobes think we’re the _only_ kind of trans person, when it turns out we’re not even the most common?! That’s wild. I’m excited to see what we’ll know in the next decade, or at least after the trans panic inevitably dies down.

[@CorwinFound]

Trans guy here. When I first started to figure out I was trans about 10 years ago I was pretty concerned about the seeming vast difference in numbers between trans men and trans women. It honestly felt like how I was feeling was less valid, that science and data didn't really support my existence. I continued my gender exploration, found community, and eventually came out. But getting over that hurdle for sure slowed down my transition journey. Ironically, that seeming demographic difference was used as "proof" that transness wasn't real back then and now with the apparent increase in trans masc people, it's seen as "proof" that transness is a fad and social contagion. For some reason whatever the data shows, it's "proof" that being trans isn't valid. Funny how that works.

[@Reverend_Salem]

i think some of the reasons that trans men might have been underreported in the past as compared to trans women is that society has generally been more accepting of GNC AFAB people, so someone who would likely identify as a trans guy today, would likely just dress "butch" or be a tomboy with significantly less social implications and backlash than an AMAB person would if they dressed in "womans" clothes. also, its likely that trans men historically could transition and "pass" easier than a trans woman without hormones and be seen as a feminine guy, while a trans woman might find it harder to transition without hormones (i.e. deeper voice, facial and body hair, and lack of secondary sex characteristics)

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

The most logical assumption would be that you'd have an equal number of trans men and trans women, as well as an equal number of AFAB nonbinary and AMAB nonbinary people. However, according to the most recent statistics, 3/4 of people who have come out as nonbinary are AFAB. The key part is, those who have come out. I would speculate that this number will even out as time goes by. I'm AMAB myself, but didn't come out, and didn't even think to ask the questions, until much later in life. As of a few years ago, I would not have counted towards any of these stats.

[@CorwinFound]

​@@FrozEnbyWolf150I think you are likely correct that the numbers, in a society that didn't stigmatize femininity, would result in roughly equal numbers of masc/fem NB people and binary trans people. But thought experiment. What if the numbers weren't equal? What if there is a biological brain reason why AFAB people are more likely to be non-binary than AMAB people, even sizable numbers like 3:1? Does that make AMAB non-binaryness less valid than AFAB non-binaryness? Of course not. Males are half again more likely to get Parkinson's than females. Does that mean women with Parkinson's should get less support than men? Obviously not. My concern with using raw demographic data to prove a point is that if we are proved wrong by science, our entire movement is undercut. Whether there is 100 million AMAB non-binary people or just one, the concept and identity is valid. But again, I broadly think you are correct, even if I think using that as an argument is potentially an issue. TL;DR, human rights shouldn't be a numbers game. We don't treat people humanely based on a sliding scale of their relative percentage of the demographic.

[@icosahedron7497]

Here's how you beat Turek. Turek: "may I ask you a question?" You: "first answer mine."

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

Either this or (what I think is more effective) don’t engage him in conversation at all. Talk about, not with him. “Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.”

[@tropicaljayraff8475]

Not necessarily true arguing with someone with an anti opinion is always great. I myself am an atheist and enjoy to looking into opposite viewpoints of my own. But yes if someone is uninterested in actually arguing then it’s just not worth it.

[@megaphatc4377]

@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic Are you seriously saying that people should stop talking that is when fighting starts you buffoon

[@megaphatc4377]

@@tropicaljayraff8475fair take but Gm skeptic is out of line here and has a serious logical misstep in this video

[@lovespeaks777]

@@GeneticallyModifiedSkepticDo you believe morality is subjective or objective?

[@blaiddenjoyer3206]

Not even five minutes in, but I never understand how Christians can be so hung up on "Well how do you know murder is wrong without God?" When the simple answer is: because it hurts someone, and if you kill them they can never come back. It's just that simple. I don't think any human needs a god to tell them hurting others is generally wrong, but maybe they do if they can't figure it out with their toddler level logic. And honestly that's an insult to the toddlers

[@brandonkennedy4160]

Exactly! It honestly seems more like a moral failing on their end to think that the only way to be moral is to be with God or be religious.

[@magneter102]

I don't think it's that simple. Because I think that it's valid to ask "Why is harming people wrong?" You might be able to find a justification for that, and perhaps construct a further chain of reasoning from that, but it seems to me that, at some point, you'll have to run up against a fundamental value that isn't really justifiable, in an "objective" way.

[@misteryA555]

We have plenty of evidence of animals mourning the death of their family members or being protective of fellow animals. I don’t think elephants or apes know what a Jesus is. Hammurabi still had rules to dissuade murdering and harming people thousands of years before Christianity even existed. Seriously, this “You only think murder is bad because the Christian God says so!!” point is so stupid. Like, dude, just think about ONE OTHER PERSON who isn’t yourself. Unless this guy is a creationist who thinks all of history and science is fake, but in that case we have beliefs that are so fundamently different there’s no conversation to even have.

[@runningn2life818]

@@magneter102 we only have 1 axiom in this logic problem which is what is or is not beneficial to us. It is not beneficial to murder because the person you kill could have helped you and the people close to them will now likely want to murder you. By murdering you have made your life worse therefore murder is bad. Even if you only exist for yourself like some robot you can still recognize that the cons outweigh the pros

[@_Sloppyham]

@@magneter102 to make a better argument, I’d say it doesn’t matter (in a practical sense) if objective morality isn’t real (I don’t think it does to begin with)due to the simple fact humans tend to have very similar baseline morals and empathy

[@beccahawkins1905]

“You shouldn’t mock people.” *Turek says this after deliberately misgendering the trans people he’s talking about.* And yes, I know he doesn’t think that’s “mocking” people. But you are doing something that they are telling you HURTS them. How is that not mocking them? “Oh, because God says so, which makes it objectively NOT mocking them, and opposing what they’re doing is actually how you love them” But God is a subject, not an object, right, Frank? Wouldn’t that make your god “subjective”? Unless you want to insist that he’s objective regardless because he’s the “ultimate” subject or whatever. But even if that is so, as Drew pointed out, you are subjective, right Frank? So how can you as a subjective person interpret the objective moral laws of your god in any other way than subjectively?

[@peppermint7152]

I am gay. I denied it most of my life because the thought was profoundly terrifying. I didn't want to be "different". Different is scary. I was filled with intense self-loathing, and prone to self-destructive behaviors. I experienced an extreme lack of motivation, intense social anxiety, and had many intense anger outbursts. I was so fundamentally unhappy that I was completely unfunctional as an adult. Eventually, I realized something had to change. I came to terms with who I am. I told my whole family. I sought therapy to reaffirm things I already knew about myself. I can't say I'm doing perfectly these days, but I've come a long way. I am happy. I applied myself in school and now have a BS in Computer Science. (Still looking for that job, though...) I'm on great terms with my family, and am extremely happy with my SO. I no longer self-harm. I spend most days trying to better myself. People that believe I just need to "repress" who I am can kindly piss off. I already tried that and was borderline suicidal because of it. No thanks.

[@jelyme6051]

Hey, sorry to hear that. I think Christians who say that you should repress sin are wrong, repressing only pushes it into the wrong places. What Christians should teach is how sin is something that you can let go of. In the case of being gay, putting it away doesn't help you. Just like hiding an addiction doesn't help you. So be openly gay, but as a Christian, I am called to acknowledge my own sin. The ways I live my life that breaks God's heart. I can't expect someone who doesn't know Jesus like I do to do the same, so I won't and I don't. If you want to know Jesus that's great but if you don't, only Jesus can change that. Know that Jesus never condemned the ignorant sinners only the religious sinners who should have known better. So if a Christian is ever hating, ask them who Jesus died for, and whether they still do their sins. Have a good day!

[@DrJupiterKing]

Thank you for sharing this, i appreciate it. Your words will help some of us understand better. Stay hard peppermint 🤘

[@peppermint7152]

@@m00sing I think everyone needs love and support. I don't understand the question.

[@asayake1]

i can relate a lot to your story, i share a similar experience. great work on overcoming as much as you have and i wish you success in finding a job and your journey of self acceptance.

[@NatanaelKvamme]

Im sorry

[@jamesbest9038]

“Christians are being harmed as well! Your necks are hurting our boots! Stop fighting!”

[@synthetic240]

"Don't tell the people who are trying to legislate you out of existence or even into being criminals that they're evil bigots. We have feelings too!"

[@tracey9888]

​@@synthetic240 have you taken your German lessons today.

[@synthetic240]

@@tracey9888 Have you taken your Russian lessons today?

[@nicolasandre9886]

When we'll see LGBTQ people forcing christians into religious deconversion therapy, I'll start worrying for those poor believers.

[@olemew]

I know of Christians that are denied child adoption because they are Christian. That's disgusting. You can play Whataboutism, but it's still a form of oppression when the political climate and people making decisions are anti Christian. This was in Oregon, US

[@yarnybart5911]

'those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities' Let's hope Turek doesn't do the latter.

[@mjjoe76]

You know he would if he thought he could get away with it.

[@fishboy3612]

You know that is what he is doing. He is telling people to tell the people around them they are deceased and to “befriend” people on false pretences and bager them about how they are deceased.

[@pufffincrazy5275]

Guess who promoted the myth that homosexuality was caused by childhood SA? The Nazis Guess who sent gay people to the concentration camps? The Nazis

[@yarnybart5911]

@opal884 Well spotted

[@yarnybart5911]

@opal884 What's the first thing he'd do, if he thought he could get away with it?

[@alexanderteaganfawkescrawf446]

As an atheist, transgender person who struggles from religious trauma and PTSD, I sincerely appreciate your voice. Thank you. I needed this today.

[@BlockyBookworm]

It's not about the science It's about using the Bible as a prooftext for structuring power and boundaries It's about the ingroup, and the science doesn't usually come into it

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

100%

[@ayanmizan3297]

thank you yoshikage kira

[@weedlol]

​@@ayanmizan3297Wydm? That's just Kosaku Kawajiri. Everyone knows him.

[@timothyhicks3643]

+

[@SalvyMic]

Thank you for continuing to stand for basic human rights and advocating for the Trans and greater LGBTQIA+ community at large. I am a Hispanic cis male, so I have witnessed so much toxicity and I don't want to stand by anymore.

[@Leith_Crowther]

Never talk about morality with theists. They don’t have any. What they have is obedience, which they confuse for morality.

[@brandonkennedy4160]

I like this! It’s so true. I’ve honestly found them no more morally superior than anyone else. In fact, a suspicious amount seem to lack some pretty fundamental morals. I don’t feel compelled to threaten people with fiction when they don’t have the same opinion as me.

[@lucianowillemse8244]

I strongly believe that they suffer from narcissism.

[@yumyum723]

So true. Turek uses the same get out of jail free card every time. Someone needs to say this to him

[@brandonkennedy4160]

@@lucianowillemse8244 in my experience, many do. I saw a meme a little while ago along the lines of the level of ego it takes to ask a god that didn’t stop the holocaust to help you find your car keys. And it’s so true.

[@mudgetheexpendable]

​@@yumyum723 so long as that someone is *WELL* trained in rhetoric and the techniques of public speaking that would be great...but he is always on hime turf and has the crowd with him. The challenger would be eviscerated, but might put a wedge in some silent doubters mind.

[@seekerhonest]

Imagine you are in a bad moment, and some of those missionaries claim they loves you and try to pull you in their doctrine, and "disagree" to your healthy natural born sexual orientation and try to make you unconfortable with yourself ... how much damage these persons add to you. And on top: When you then get angry at those missionary "helpers", then they say: "look , demons speak out of him".

[@DadamWrites]

Frank Turek is what happens when "there is no hate like Christian love" turns into a person.

[@aliasfakename3159]

"Christians are being singled out." "Why?" "Because we're Christian." "Anything else?" "...We said & did some bigoted things but God said it's ok-" *disengages*

[@NatetheSensitivePlant]

More Christians have been killed than lgbtqia+ Christians have done terrible things, and so have the lgbtqia community, because there are bad people everywhere. Its not fair to us if you characterize us by the worst of us versus the best of the LGBT or vice versa.

[@Asonymous712]

No. it’s not bigoted to say homosexuality is a sin, God never said it’s ok to be bigoted, some Christian like a small sub group of any group of people are going to have people with bad opinions, and don’t generalize because that itself is bigoted

[@UwUImTheo]

​@@Asonymous712well I think reproduction is a sin

[@Ponygal1997]

"Transphobia is a social media contagion" is something I would wear on a t-shirt.

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

I honestly want to make that

[@HoldMyCheerwine]

​@@GeneticallyModifiedSkepticplease dont

[@Leafsdude]

@@m00sing Your assurances are entirely empty. Talk to any right wing nut job who thinks TGs are going to invade women's bathrooms and use it to prey on little girls and see how not scared they are.

[@Lizard_Ri]

​@@HoldMyCheerwine Please do

[@JamieNoah638]

​@@m00singwell transphobes do keep claiming that they get scared of trans women in the women's bathroom... So you're really just wrong. Also you should look up what phobia means, since you clearly don't know what it means.

[@anotherrandompersononthein8601]

As a transgender, im okay with religion until it tells me I cant be myself.

[@Saylor666]

I am a lesbian and have really always felt that way. Even as a child, I’ve ways felt a pull towards to girls/women. I’ve never been sexually abused. Literally ever.

[@chaospersonified7204]

Literally same, had my first celebrity crush when I was 6, it was Selena Gomez, I've just always been this way.

[@hwelse]

transfem bi/pan here, massive support for both of yas 🎉😊

[@patrickwalsh8913]

You don't exist, according to turek

[@pufffincrazy5275]

the myth that same sex attraction is caused by abuse was promoted by the Nazis That should tell you all you need to know about that myth and the people who push it.

[@WinterWitch01]

I spent my whole life suppressing my feelings, believing it was dirty and wrong. So I dated men, was sexually abused several times. I’m so glad i finally found myself, I’m an agnostic, asexual lesbian. All of my shame and trauma is from being raised Mormon adjacent in Utah

[@Marconius6]

"Hey, you're doing bad things!" "But what really is... bad?" That's a bit of a red flag right there...

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

Do you mean "immoral"?

[@S.D.323]

bad = unnecessarily harming people or other sentient life forms

[@hi4705]

“you murdered someone!” “okay, but is it REALLY murder if-“

[@gonzalocastillo749]

@@S.D.323why is that bad

[@S.D.323]

@@gonzalocastillo749 its bad if you agree that human suffering isnt a good thing meaning its bad for that goal its not bad for the goal of causing as much suffering as possible though

[@jeffbeaul7639]

I am an ex-evangelical, now a secular humanist. I also have a transgender daughter. (She has transitioned, had her surgery and is now crushing it in life). This video was gold. Thank you for all the research you did to make this cohesive. Thanks also for informing us that the humanist/agnostic/atheist world needs to improve our compassion as well.

[@myinfo9406]

This is amazing I love seeing people come out the other side. So happy your daughter is thriving and it really warms my heart how proud you are of her crushing it in life :)

[@erenjaeger1738]

Notice you use trans. Jeez what a boy

[@Ahrtros]

Your daughter is so lucky to have such an awesomene parent like you!

[@StopBullyingMe-rf9js]

@@Ahrtros hes no parent, his child was dealt cards but has cheated , he had a daughter, now he has a son ???,sorry but people can not change their sex , its his son, not daughter, i am white, i can not be black,you need help

[@Ahrtros]

@@StopBullyingMe-rf9js with that username I'm surprised you're bullying three people at the same time lol

[@nicoledreamcr4666]

On behalf of all trans people I thank you for making perhaps the most thorough and easy to understand video debunking transphobic myths. Must've been very exhausting. ❤

[@obonyxiam]

as another trans person, i agree

[@curiousnerdkitteh]

That old trick of Evangelicals claiming LGBTQIA+ people have abusive families but it's not about compassion it's the argument "they're not real, they're broken, help them change. Show them "love" [gaslight them and psychologically abuse them while saying you love them] until that stop being gay". I grew up with this message and my "loving" parents believe it and keep trying to "lovingly" change me through abusive gaslighting dressed up as "concern". That's why they're permanently blocked on every platform and don't even know where I live or anything about my life now. It's truly awful psychological abuse, pretending to care while insistently ongoingly trying to pressure people to change while pretending you're not even doing it, that distress and desperation you make the person feel "is your sin/caused by you being LGBT". It's truly despicable treatment, it is abusive, it is psychological torture. I cannot describe how absolutely awful that pretend love, that love bombing with kind tone with psychological abuse and relentless feigned ignorance while they're eternally twisting the knife is.

[@Neurodivergent_RN]

It is very abusive. It is gaslighting in the traditional sense of the word - it literally makes you question yourself constantly.

[@austin.luther]

I'm so sorry that this is something you have to carry. Much love from a gay trans man. ❤

[@KraNisOG]

Actually what you're dong is gaslighting, since what they're doing is show support, and being there for someone. Gaslighting is the intentional delievery of information about subjects, generally about the target, that is false with the express purpose of it to result in them questioning themselves. No matter how to view it, being tans is not the societal normal, nor the majority. The natural state of a being is to be what they are, the fundamental purpose of life is to continue it's own existence, reproduction is a way of this. These are fundamental truths about life, down to the simplist of bacteria. Logically speaking one would assume that they're broken, and be there for them to try and heal them. While a Christian believes they can be returned to nature, people against Christians tend to believe that it is nature that will change, both make sense, and both are logical conclusions. Nature changes all the time, we witness it everyday. They aren't pressuring you TO change, they're wanting you to NOT change, which is the bigger problem. Everyone changes, and everyone should be allowed the chance to fail, to learn, and to react to the world around them, and figure out for themelves what kind of a person they want to be, and ought to be.

[@ProphetofZod]

“Stupid Mav. Only I’M supposed to talk over the other person.”

[@empatheticfrog2052]

Pretty much lol. The dude hears someone making sense and goes "ope can't have that WORD SALAD ACTIVATE! "

[@anushkaachlerkar3566]

the thing with theists is that they claim science can not explain everything, but when it benefits their narrative, they say BUT SCIENCE ALSO SAYS SO, OUR BOOK SAID IT BEFORE SCIENCE!

[@trismegistus2881]

to be honest, where is the logical contradiction? You can say both things at the same time.

[@spartasbestman]

@@trismegistus2881 It's not exactly a contradiction, but it's hypocritical imo. They're determining the value or truth of science based on whether it coincides with the Bible. Essentially, any science that disagrees with their text is bogus, and any science that supports their beliefs can be used as supporting evidence of their claims. It makes science out to be conditional based purely on the observer's faith and gives their supposedly science-backed beliefs less water, since the legitimacy of the data can be revoked at any time

[@marcdc6809]

true, Turek is very hung ho on that the big bang was the beginning and entropy indicates that the universe is winding down... but somehow that the universe is deterministic so god already knew who would die a sinner and deserves to go to hell somehow escapes him, and the fact that god would be the conscious designer of cholera.

[@_Sloppyham]

@@trismegistus2881it treats science as a convenience than what it actually is. Like saying “Jake also agrees with me” to strengthen your case but every time Jake does not agree with me I just say Jake is full of shit.

[@trismegistus2881]

@@spartasbestman it is certainly a bad way to analyse scientific claims. But let us be honest, choosing scientific articles and sources selectively to defend your cause is really widespread. It's confirmation bias.

[@ob2kenobi388]

How can they expect us to find God when they make it abundantly clear that we're not welcome?

[@musiciseverything9521]

we all sin, God will 100% accept anyone who wants him. the people who dont accept you are very much putting God's power in their hands (they are probably either not true christians or they have a very skewed vision of God). The LGBT+ community is very much accepted, any person is in no right to say whether or not they are based on their opinion. God loves everyone. Have a great day friend

[@ob2kenobi388]

@@musiciseverything9521 Thank you 🫂

[@lufrog6465]

@@musiciseverything9521this is lovely. Christians who use god as a way to put others down are giving a bad name to the rest.

[@musiciseverything9521]

@@lufrog6465 thank you! i needed to hear that

[@mrmoment6061]

@@musiciseverything9521 very wholesome religious message, we need voices like this to be heard to counter act dogma.

[@mjjoe76]

Your disgust with Frank Turek is palpable, and I applaud you for it. He deserves little more than contempt.

[@EdwardHowton]

Oh he deserves a _lot_ more than contempt, but sadly the history of our species has decided that what he _does_ deserve is illegal, because of a long history of misapplication.

[@ilikedota5]

What's interesting is that GM Skeptic has done a video with Sean McDowell before just having a conversation.

[@jerryloverice1598]

@@EdwardHowtonand this is the problem, you disagree with this man, he can say hurtful things but you go right around and do exactly what he is doing wrong, you are no better than him

[@jerryloverice1598]

This is the problem, you’re ignoring the value of his human life just based on his different ideology grow up

[@elimejah]

when i came out as a transgender man, the most shocking rejection from my peers came from a friend at the time, who was a religion-critical atheist. i expected hatred from my christian classmates, having been raised catholic and taught the same transphobia as them, but hearing it from someone who rejected most of what was taught there… that cut deep. there is absolutely a transphobia issue in atheist communities. thank you so much for recognizing it, GMS, and for repeatedly sharing the truth

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

I've been disappointed in a lot of short-sighted transphobia in atheists I used to respect, and I'm cis.

[@fromeveryting29]

I have had similar experiences as an adult. When I transitioned pro-trans sentiments was probably it’s highest ever. Later on, however, many atheists have fallen hard for far-right, even fascistic rhetoric. I think it started with «logic bros» debunking religious claims online, but later shifting towards anti-sjw content because it was convenient for them to mock passionate minorities for money. So now some atheists are hard right-leaning, and it’s pathetic and frustrating to see.. Since then some atheists creators are in a weird sort of in between space between modern american christo-fascism, which is «anti-woke» (anti-progressive) BUT claimed christian - and socially progressive secularism. We are histprically heading into a new wave of fascism, and many many many people who are insecure and/or ignorant are falling for it face first. Fascism appeals to insecurity. Projected disgust for weakness, difference, vulnerability embodied in politics and so on.

[@gsp3428]

@@DavidSmith-vr1nb youre not cis, there is no such thing. Its nonsense cult stuff terminology.

[@alessa_cybergoth]

I know what I'm gonna mention is not nearly as bad as transphobia... But I've met atheists who believed in ghosts and other forms of paranormal/magic ideas, that was disappointing. That was the moment I realized being an atheist does not make you a true skeptical person in other subjects. Also, a lot of atheists hold conservative ideas without questioning them. I hope you feel good nowadays. I'm sorry about what happend between you and your friend. Something a little similar happened with a close friend, it turned out she was a racist, incredibly superficial and manipulated me using her emotions... I was tired of her bs. She used her emotions to tell me I should not question her bigoted views, and whenever I questioned her point of view she would get mad at me (it didn't not matter how polite I was being). I stopped talking to her when she started treating me in a rude way because my anger against her racism was (according to her) "unjustified". I was also tired of her discarding guys based solely on their height, a lot of them were good men. She was looking for a tall, smart, succesful and handsome man...

[@erenjaeger1738]

So you're insecure

[@gegu937]

I love how he just goes "why is is bad to murder" like he wouldn't want to be murdered, and therefore would understand that most people feel the same.

[@АлексейПлакхин]

Most people don't. That's why we have wars, collateral damage to civilians, police violence crisis abd are on blink of nuclear war. Not supporting killing or as we call it collateral damage is insanely hard.

[@Nick-Nasti]

“Murder” is a legal term for unjustified killing. By definition it is immoral. That’s is why it is wrong. Did he mean “why is killing a human eating?” That’s a different story and subject to context.

[@EnigmaFox-qr2fw]

😂.. I guess Turek seems to think going to heaven is so amazing, that he'll go to heaven if he gets killed by a person. I guess he kinda makes sense. (?) Going to heaven kinda early would seem kinda fun.. too bad . Heaven's not real..

[@megaphatc4377]

@@Nick-Nastinothing by definition is immoral apart from immorality

[@TariqNavabiGaming]

and then he asks but why is it BAD though… sir, ‘bad’ is just a vague term we use to label such things. I don’t wanna be killed, nor do I want to kill, and none of my neighbors want either of those things either. In other words, it’s ‘BAD.’ It’s literally the most basic of language. Fire bad. Burn bad. ‘Immoral’ just goes another step further and philosophizes the whole thing, not to mention the word almost has a connotation for religious bias already

[@paulpease8254]

All straight people have had the experience of attraction to the opposite sex, and to not be attracted to someone of the same sex. To believe that homosexuality is a choice is to believe that gay people have that natural attraction to the opposite sex but then CHOOSE to have sex with someone of the same sex, despite having no attraction to the same sex, and despite the stigma and bias and other negative things that come with being gay in our society. Ever heard of Occam’s razor? Seems a lot more likely that they have a natural attraction to people of the opposite sex that they were born with, just like straight people were born with a natural attraction to people of the opposite sex.

[@AmirM52]

I love it when GM DESTROYS apologists with FACTS AND LOGIC

[@remingtonn_]

read that as game master LMAO

[@LineOfThy]

@@remingtonn_ Dnd does do that tho

[@cewla3348]

@@remingtonn_ GM *DESTROYS* powerplayers with RULES AND FUN

[@lylez00]

I thought they just made cars.

[@Amethyst.]

I'll keep my eyes peeled

[@pinkraven4402]

If anyone is LGBTQ+ and is reading this - don't let religious people tell you who you are or should be, they're spitting BS that you shouldn't have in your live ❤

[@OleanderStarshine]

As an LGBTQ+ person that was once pretty heavily religious (trans/non-binary and aroace), thank you. I needed that after all this video. Not because of Drew, to be clear! Drew is amazing throughout all this! I'm speaking about the people he's replying to

[@mursuhillo242]

I, too, have an LGTV+

[@BuilderB08]

Don’t let people tell you who you are or should be period, not just religious people.

[@amberharmsen2497]

@@OleanderStarshine im a transfemale conversion therapy survivor im 22 now was 15 then

[@aglassofmilk5779]

@@OleanderStarshine can I ask what religion you followed and why you left?

[@vicious_toad]

i actually am pretty surprised that transphobia is so prevalent even in the atheist community, we gotta fix that indeed

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

Transphobia pays well in both social and actual currency right now.

[@VixenArt3]

@@CountDoofus Personally I feel like the "rejection of the claim that humans can change their sex" comes down to someone's understanding of it. I, as a trans woman myself know that sex is indeed changeable to a degree, we can change secondary sex characteristics through HRT, practically going through male-typical or female-typical puberty with bio-identical hormones which changes our bodies and allows us to pass in society as either male or female. Primary sex is also changeable to a degree with cosmetic surgeries. Biological sex isn't changeable however and neither are chromosomes, but who actually cares about that truly? Only people who obsess about opposing trans people, because if you look elsewhere you'll find the same thing with certain intersex men and women. Some intersex women are XY, both biologically and chromosomally male, and some intersex men are XX, both biologically and chromosomally female but they are accepted just fine ( as they should be ) but it just proves how little biological sex and chromosomes actually matter when it comes to our identities and how we live and operate in the world. The second point I would say definitely applies to transphobia, the amount of irrational fear and hatred I've been seeing especially recently is so high and from all sides. Even if there are problems in the trans movement ( which I'm personally not familiar with, I don't really spend any time following what a particular movement is doing ) the way it's being handled, mostly by dehumanizing us, stripping us of our rights or access to healthcare which has benefited an overwhelming majority of us is downright monstrous. Mind telling me what are some of the issues you've observed and what do you think would be an appropriate response to them?

[@gsp3428]

No one is really transphobic, they just dont want it pushed on others, parents dont want teachers telling boys they can be girls, Also trans people desire for attention is unparralled, if they just did their thing and lived their lives, go ahead, you got guys like Drew, who virtue signal to make him feel good about himself like you. People dont live by your rules if you can imagine. Also cutting kids genitals off, or giving 12 year old double masectomies probably not the best thing for them.

[@gsp3428]

@@VixenArt3 you can not change your sex, a male will always be a biological male, and a female will always be a biological female, all the surgeries, hormone blockers wont change what a person really truly is.

[@derkatzenfuerst6077]

​@@VixenArt3 Not the person you replied to and I agree with most of your points. What I think some of us have experienced, is that even discussing basic terms or questioning how to handle certain issues like public bathrooms, prisons, early gender affirming surgery or women's sports can lead to getting shouted at and getting called transphobic. For me personally, I think everyone should get full support to express their identity and every form of bullying or discrimination must be opposed vehemently. But at the same time I think it must also be allowed to talk about differences between for example trans women and women who were assigned female at birth. If we can't even discuss differences anymore, we can't really find solutions for some of the questions I mentioned. This is personal and anecdotal of course, but I know two young women who presented as trans men for most of their adolescence. They did not receive gender affirming surgery during that time, in one case because the parents didn't allow it. Now in their early twenties, they identify as women. I wonder what would have happened if they had received "blind" affirmation and early gender affirming surgery? I just don't know how to deal with such cases. So I think the whole topic of early gender affirming care is really difficult to navigate. On the one hand, I would love it if everyone gets the medical support they need as early as possible, one the other, it can be dangerous to start very early, especially since there seems to be at least a fraction of young people who identify as trans for a while, but not permanently. Prisons and sports are other areas where I think there are many grey areas or individual cases that can be difficult. Should trans women be allowed in women's sports? I just think there is no easy answer. Overall, I really hope that our societies can develop in a way that allows for people of all identities and orientations to live without experiencing discrimination or being dehumanised. At the same time, I think it must still be possible to question and criticise, wherever we think that harm is being done. What frustrates me the most is that I feel the whole discussion tends to derail very quickly into extreme accusations. It seems hard to defend the rights of the LGBTQ+ community without being called woke, it also seems nearly impossible to question policy in regards to the issues I mentioned without being called transphobic.

[@shanemccausland958]

I dont get this objective morality crap. We dont need a 2000 year old book that promoted slavery and genocide to have a society with laws.

[@ElZappata]

Right, because slavery is still being practiced, especially in Libya after what our country (thank you Hillary) did…😅😅😅

[@nj7969]

You do however need a set of universally accepted standards. The standards most tend to quote just happen to be Christian values. At least in the US. As far as promoting slavery is concerned, that entry from what I understand was scene as a legislation of an already commonplace practice that began to die out. And directly as a result of said “legislation” at that. Notable Western philosophers who began the movement to end slavery in the United States even did so heavily inspired by their interpretation of their faith. So without said 2000 year old book, I’d be concerned that the end of slavery either never might have happened or would have been significantly delayed. I’m not seeing anything that says God openly endorses genocide. I do however see that he does not condone murder. That was… one of the big ones.

[@shanemccausland958]

@@nj7969 All the slave masters in the civil war were biblical and used the bible to justify there shit

[@anyonecan318]

my sibling was one of Dr. Zucker's patients, another factor not considered, is that Zucker's conversion therapy caused people to go deeply into the closet. My sibling is in therapy now because of the damage done by the therapy. My best friend who was also a patient of the clinic, took his own life in 2018 after suffering from PTSD that originated with the "treatment". It isn't simply misdiagnosis, it was the hubris of the doctors not understanding the harm they were doing to those kids.

[@evan_j]

My deepest condolences on both of your losses.

[@Duskbound]

Even rats are capable of empathy and doing the right thing. Are rats religious somehow?

[@Anon_y_mouse_the_only]

Fun fact: during the rat cheese prohibition, ratbis would secretly sell cheese of the rat god after church

[@Koopaperson]

@@Anon_y_mouse_the_onlythis implies a Rat Constitution with amendments and I find that amazing

[@shaereub4450]

No, don't you remember. According to Frank, they're "borrowing morality from God" 🙄

[@joekinnear4671]

It's evolutionary to display friendly and cooperative behavior in herd animal species. Caring for your fellow man is better for the wellbeing of your people. It just makes logical sense- religion if anything distracts from compassion for all humankind with its arbitrary rules about what to eat or when to bow and pray. A social construct meant specifically for manipulating and guiding the impressionable into rallying behind some figurehead who stands to personally benefit.

[@nj7969]

Well… yes? Technically. And if you consider Genesis (you can entertain a thought without accepting it, I’m not trying to convert you) then all creatures were part of creation which man and God took part in and thus everything is technically under the umbrella of “religious.” The rats too.

[@4dojo]

When I was a Christian I hated having to be one of the people against homosexuality. I felt bad for gay people getting rejected by their Christian families and friends and I saw it happen all too often. I could never think of a logical reason why it would be wrong to be gay, but I could see that the Bible says that it is a sin so I just had to trust my Bible. Now that I am an atheist my mind is free to think and reason for itself. My conclusions are not predetermined by an old book that no Christian truly follows anyway. Christians today don't agree with the Bible that it is okay to own and beat slaves like the law of Moses condones, referring to them as "property". Christians today don't believe that women shouldn't be allowed to have leadership roles like their Bible says. And Christians today don't condone killing all of the babies of your enemies like the Israelites were commanded to do. The list goes on and on, but the point is that even christians pick and choose which parts of the Bible to believe. There are far more misogynistic verses in the Bible than there are verses that condemn homosexuality, and yet Christians don't generally hold to misogynist laws, but they choose to say that homosexuality is sinful. It's cherry picking.

[@chillinchum]

You know just last night I was watching a video going over what role women have, in the bible. It had negative things to say about patriarchy, but it spent more time talking about the "dangers of egalitarians" No, really, there's still people, and I suspect a somewhat growing number, leaning towards that. At least they (and myself, though on the opposing side.) recognize that if you're going to take the bible at it's word, it doesn't support gender equality. To be christian properly is to be LGBT+ hating, apparently. Unless you ignore scripture, and just consider that jesus followed the golden rule. I am of the understanding or suspicion that being anti-trans has a basis on supporting gender roles, if people can change thier gender, they would in theory be able to change thier roles, yes? But then why would this thing that they consider immutable and picked by god.... Are you seeing the challenge that the mere existence of intersex/physically non-binary people present to anyone supporting a patriarchy? How could that caste system be justified? It can't, and so the trans people have to burn, it's crucial to thier worldview. I'm not sure how safe it is to allow them that belief. But, I suppose we can wait for them to start murdering, and then use the force of law on them...at least as long as the police do their job probably....

[@DrachenGothik666]

There are plenty of Christians who don't believe women should have positions of leadership or teaching. The Southern Baptist Convention (for example) even has (or had, it may have changed, since I last checked) that as part of their mandate, that no women lead. Sorry for cherry picking their cherry picking. 😛

[@Amethyst.]

It's wrong because god planned you to have kids, provide for your family, have a soul mate, and meet him in heaven. Not to penetrate another man's backdoor and eliminate the possibility of millions of possible humans. Millions of humans forever in stasis, never to be born or exist, so sad.

[@4dojo]

@@Amethyst. Okay. So if marriage and sex are only about procreation then I guess a Christian should never marry a woman who can't have kids. He better find another woman and she just has to be alone. And I suppose that only vanilla sex is okay, but no oral sex is allowed because it doesn't make babies?

[@RasmusVJS]

@@Amethyst. Is a sexless straight marriage immoral? What about gay marriages with children through surrogacy or other means?

[@charlesweidner303]

And the Speaker of our House of Representatives is actively involved in this abhorrent behavior? 3rd in line to the President. I am shaking my head...

[@damelas2]

"People choose to be gay." If someone makes this claim, they are, in fact, claiming that everyone is born heterosexual, and then just choosing, to not only abstain from a romantic or sexual relationship with the sex they are truly attracted to, but then going a step further and actually engaging in sex and romance with the sex that they would find naturally repulsive. Why in the world would anyone do such a thing?

[@Cool-Vest]

They believe that because it means they won't have to change their views. That they are never wrong, and are fully aligned with the ethics of God. Weak, I say. Not that I blame them. They never had the culture to counter the formation of such a strategy.

[@ShilohXE]

This comment is so on the mark !!

[@MrBunny-zd8ll]

The hard thing about Christianity is there unfortunately is a bunch of uneducated Christians, I would say, Yes, you are born innocent, in the image of God. You are born in the way he designed you, heterosexual, pure, innocent, sexually moral, and more. You begin to become gay, as you get introduced to the sin more. Think of it as a slang word, you don't know what it means or what it's used for when you first hear it, but as time goes on, you get used to and comfortable with the slang word to the point its normal. It changes your brain as you get used to it. Just like sin, and homosexuality, you ease into it, you ease into the water of sin until eventually you start going fully into it. Basically, my point is, both from a biblical perspective and a psychological perspective, you aren't born gay, you are introduced to the idea of it and then as time goes on, when you feel lost, it's a way to cope with some sort of trauma.

[@toyotawitha20mm35]

Not only that, but also live a life of SUFFERING though homophobia and people hating you for being gay. Why would somone CHOSE that? Especially gays that were former traditional Christians

[@MrBunny-zd8ll]

@@damelas2 bruh, my comment got deleted 😑

[@tenebrous4708]

I mean this in the most serious way possible. Shout out to all my gay homies. You are loved and I appreciate you for existing.

[@mesworld1350]

W

[@thedave1771]

Preach it!

[@Lizard_Ri]

​@xoroach04 as another bisexual rando I join in on this

[@IUseRandomPfps]

Fuckin preach!

[@finnik_23]

thank you for acknowledging me, it is appreciated more than you know!

[@alexc836]

Anytime an apologist tries to do a “gotcha” by asking my standard of morality, I always say I have a standard for the greatest amount of wellbeing and the least amount of suffering for the most people as humanly possible. In my experience that surprises them, they usually don’t expect an articulate answer.

[@_Sloppyham]

The simple (but stupid) reply back would be “but what do you base this off of”

[@rodomolina7995]

"Why is well being good?" - Frank Turek probably

[@r_A_ven]

@@_Sloppyham"it makes me feel good and doing the opposite would make me feel bad"

[@johnwalker1058]

I think it's very telling of them that they are genuinely shocked to hear a person have an articulate response to their "gotcha" questions that don't require buying into their worldview. Like they really can't seem to fathom that one can have a different idea of how morality works than they do and have it be reasonable. "You mean your choices and actions aren't guided by the threat of eternal torture!? Impossible!"

[@_Sloppyham]

@@r_A_ven and then: “so a subjective standard based on your feelings alone that you cannot ask others to follow unless they already feel the same way. Looking at past wars for example plenty of people have enjoyed raping and causing suffering to those that were minding their own business. It made them feel good to hold power over others and feel bad when they didn’t have this power. Their morals are also based off of feelings and theirs nor yours is superior than the other. To claim one is superior is to use arbitrary standards that boil down to, again, feelings.”

[@nicolasinguanti9986]

It would be cool to have a magic power to turn people like him LGBTQ+ and see what happens when they understand what it feels like.

[@land0ndraws730]

gay potion

[@blitzogene]

“he’s never met a lesbian who hasn’t been abused” huh?? how does that back any evidence at all. i’m queer and i’ve never been abused and only bullied AFTER coming out. such stupid “evidence”

[@SammyLammy1D]

No you see, obviously you don't exist. Only yhe lesbians he has personally met exist! You and me are just a glitch in God's Creaton or something...

[@LineOfThy]

Yes but you're not in the first two letters of LGBTQ, and conservatives can't read past that.

[@blitzogene]

@@SammyLammy1D yeah sorry i’ll just disappear because im not suppose to exist my bad 😔

[@AXKfUN9m]

Keyword: met. Every lesbian he MET has been abused. I wonder why.

[@zefnoly9147]

Its funny he said that. Im bisexual with a preference for my own gender. And i have experienced zero abuse in my life. And early on I was raised an openminded christian but not strictly in any sense as my mother wanted me to follow myself. At teen I stopped being christian but i stil have fully supportive religious family members. And my family in general is almost stereotypically a nuclear family...

[@GrannyBender]

Yeah right?! I had ups and downs like every kids but overall I suffered no abuse, I had kids picking up on me because I was a shy book nerd, but nothing traumatic or too massive, and since then I came out, started transitioning, etc. and my family is fine with it, I've got their support. I came to the realization that I wanted to transition later in life and am working from home, so I don't really suffer most of the rejection or discrimination that other face. But I sure have grown up in a quite catholic environment but later evolved in quite open minded and friendly spaces. I did not in any way suffer any traumatic childhood, I have quite a happy one, I wasn't pushed to transition by anyone, I barely use social media and most of my close friends are some I met after coming to the realization and acceptation of who I am. Soooo, I get I don't fit into his lil box either.

[@pufffincrazy5275]

Yes, gay man here, from idealistic happy Christian nuclear family with mom, dad, sibling and dog, and still gay. People like Turek have never bothered to even honestly talk to actual queer people: he thinks we’re brainless.

[@DrachenGothik666]

Dang, lucky critter! I'm genuinely glad for you! On the other hand, I had the trauma, in spades. Physical, social, mental _&_ sexual. Bullied constantly as a kid, too. Still, I ended up transitioning later in life (started when I was 50, though I've lived "male" for most of my life) & I'm gay (prefer males, since I was ostensibly "hetero" when I presented female). Turek is a dick who _really_ needs to learn how wrong he is.

[@kaydenasher7430]

Thank you. I’m a trans masc person from Texas, and the amount of times i have heard the arguments against gender affirming care before and while receiving it were insane. I have been out for nearly 8 years and never once have decided i was my gender assigned at birth since then. Since i live in Texas, i tend to have to fear for my safety because I am transgender, and i personally know many who have had to leave for their and their families safety. The misinformation you debunk is dangerous and it needs to be known how harmful it is. (Sorry for spelling errors i have a difficulty with writing and typing correctly)

[@extraterrestrial8888]

"I've never met a lesbian who wasn't abused" I know two women in possibly the sweetest relationship at my high school who are the most leather-coated engineering school coded lesbains to ever lesbian. One of my besties is lesbian and a great bassist (makes me wonder how she hasn't found someone yet). None have been abused.

[@doggerybaw]

I wonder if a deeper questioning and conversation would show that the lesbians he spoke with went to church as children. Wouldn't that speak more to the rampant sexual abuses in the church rather than sexual abuse *causing* homosexuality? Can we have a conversation about how even outside the church little girls are sexualized and told that they're "distracting" their peers and teachers for wearing weather appropriate clothing? He's so close to the point. He just needs to reach out and accept it.

[@DrachenGothik666]

While it's possible the lesbians were molested in a church setting, it's far more likely that they were SA'd by a family member in their home. Either way, we have no way of knowing for certain which it was.

[@doggerybaw]

@Drachenfrau I'm not trying to say I know for sure their specific situations. I was just trying to point out that without a deeper conversation, we have no way of knowing their situations. Why are religious figures like this so quick to point fingers at us being SA'd as the "reason" for being queer rather than trying to get to the root of the problem(the abusers they so often cover for)?

[@KayleePrince-we5pb]

If Frank agrees that harming gays is wrong than he's admitting that he's not actually getting his moral standard from god, because god's standard not only has no problem with harming gays, but actually advocates for their murder

[@KayleePrince-we5pb]

If someone was consistently following god's standard they would have to be okay with that and even consider that to be objectively good, so I would say Frank is actually the one trying to steal morality from secular humanism and falsely attributing it to his religion

[@7856841]

This isn’t mentioned in the Bible at all. Don’t confuse super churches with the content of the Bible.

[@whitefang9758]

@@7856841 How do you explain Leviticus 20:13 ?

[@haywardjeblomey6505]

@@7856841 What's not mentioned in the bible?

[@LNXiTo]

@@7856841Leviticus 20:13

[@van-hieuvo8208]

To declare yourself, of all things, as trans is definitively the absurdest way to "fit in" whatever the fuck "fit in" even means anymore. You know these people go through hell doing so right? Are all the harassment, death threats, slanders, etc. worth "fitting in"?

[@gsp3428]

trans people want attention, most of them, nobody cares what they do. Just do your thing, just dont push it on everyone else.

[@pufffincrazy5275]

Being LGBT doesn’t make you popular: it paints a target on your back

[@fromeveryting29]

I know right. Usually trans people go through their entire childhood and youth trying to suppress their true selves to «fit in», and due to shame. In fact, trans people trying to «fit in» at the cost of their feelings is THE MAIN CAUSE OF DEATH for them. Making trans people «rid themselves of their feelings of being trans» = very possibly causing them to kill themselves. Those are facts.

[@user-vt5qg7hj1m]

As a trans man, I ABSOLITELY AGREE Being fairly open about my transness didn't make me "fit in" it just got me into a lot of fights and harassment during school, a lot of abuse from relatives, and made me very mad at the world we live in

[@olemew]

Easy. Even 10 years ago, For a total misfit, you would go from being excluded by everybody to very deeply fit in with hundreds of online users in forums. The pioneers were anorexia forums. Today, trans is encouraged in many schools, almost like it's a 50% chance kind of thing, and win points. Just like certain singers will break sales records if they come out as gay. If you want to feel oppressed but you're white, just change pronouns.

[@Jayhaley2385]

Trans person here--wanna know where my "brutal upbringing" came from? My Southern Baptist parents trying to stifle my feminine side, making me think there was something terribly wrong with me. Never sexually abused or even touched.

[@topphatt1312]

That is abuse, and I'm sorry you had to experience that.

[@GentaroYumeno]

@@topphatt1312 Yes but not "sexual" abuse like Tur(d)ek said

[@user-mc6vi8yd7l]

"book said so" - religious mfs, every single time

[@DrachenGothik666]

My reply to those types: "I don't _care_ what's in your fucking book. Gimme a _real_ reason to believe in your imaginary friend, backed up by actual evidence that he exists, & do it without relying on shit written by people from the Bronze Age. Give me evidence from _real life."_

[@LineOfThy]

@@DrachenGothik666 that doesn't work. they can't think of anything besides that book.

[@AXKfUN9m]

@@LineOfThy Actually some can. They just make it the fvck up.

[@TheSkyGuy77]

That's why religion is basically a cult with better public relations.

[@erenjaeger1738]

Well, duh? Where you think their belief comes from?

[@Ariana_y004]

When I started watching atheist content on KZbin, I didn’t know I was a trans woman at the time and when my gender exploration journey began, I realized that many atheist content creators and subreddits are quite transphobic so I basically left all of them except for you, RR and alex. So you’re right. There is a transphobia problem in atheist circles and I am glad there are people like you who are willing to stand against it unlike some other creators who are afraid of losing subs.

[@robertcarsten4050]

I know this might sound tacky but could you name and shame a couple of them? Don't want to be supporting anyone who irrationally pushes misinformation just to follow social trends

[@Ariana_y004]

@@robertcarsten4050 well I come from a muslim background and many ex-muslim creators have become this “anti-woke” types. Sadly I have forgotten their names since I unsubbed them a year or so ago and am pretty terrible with names 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@robertcarsten4050]

@@Ariana_y004 no worries I steer clear of the "anti-woke" types because they are completely exhausting

[@electronics-girl]

@@robertcarsten4050Well, Richard Dawkins is transphobic.

[@Ariana_y004]

@@robertcarsten4050 yeah. Imagine deconstructing all your religious dogma and tuen joining another dogmatic hate cult. Truly remarkable

[@croozerdog]

we used to sacrifice humans, animals and resources to the gods, now we sacrifice our own desires. it must be quite something to step off your belief and realize you can just do whatever you want

[@Z4r4sz]

Who promotes that exactly?

[@anesidora3084]

It's a lazy mindset that if one can choose what they give up, they can also gain what they want. Its magical thinking. Sacrifice a lamb and get rain for your crops. Real solutions are harder and require you to challenge yourself

[@croozerdog]

​@@Z4r4sz Christianity tells you to suppress your sexuality for example, even if you're the most straight person ever, a good christian waits for marriage, even though sex feels great. The sacrifice I mean personal. a less controversial example is cursing, even if it feels good to you, you shouldn't, so you repress the urge. There's logical reasons people wrote down these rules, or got them through god depending on your belief, but i personally think its misguided

[@croozerdog]

​@@anesidora3084 I guess so, repress your urges to get into heaven. I'd rather have people do stuff for eachother instead of a god. I have christians in my family and it genuinely feels like they only act nice to people for god, rather than to make others happy. Maybe it's one and the same in their mindset but it feels off to me

[@murphalocalypse]

*So often my typed responses cut right to the bone despite how i may try to sound respectful. I hope you read this message with the personal respect i am feeling towards you 😊* You can do whatever you want as a member of any religion that promotes forgiveness within its tenets, correct? How is being without a religion any different? Perhaps it's all about the framing of the subject. Also according to many religious texts owning human slaves or raping a woman so long as you marry her are perfectly moral actions. So why aren't there many people doing what they want within that context? Instead many believers abhor those actions as immoral. Human morality has moved beyond those actions just as civilizations have moved beyond sacrificing animals to gods. The fact that criminal behavior amongst the non-religious happens at lower rates and that countries where people are more non-religious are the types of places you want to live speak more against the idea that having faith make people more accountable or moral than people without.

[@m.ferashida7422]

I'm so mad I had to pause the video at 9:44. As a Lesbian who has lived a priviledged loving life with supporting family and has had the luck of never being in a situation of abuse this just sends me.

[@lachousalle31]

"There's only harm if god exists" is exactly what a psychopath with zero empathy would say.

[@iwkaoy8758]

He mint harm is ant evil ore wrong width out a god,Witch is true. Width out god, every single purr sun have their own right and wrong. If eye murder some one four their money,thats good two me,but evil two dim. The victims family kent claim you committed a evil act because its subjective

[@riccardozanoni2531]

@@iwkaoy8758 it's funny how this makes more sense with the awful spelling than without...

[@The-blackghost36]

@@iwkaoy8758 is english known to you?

[@iwkaoy8758]

@@The-blackghost36 Yes,Ayes am speak king it now,Ken you reed?

[@imaginationave3687]

@@iwkaoy8758 It's harmful in the sense that you are removing a tool from the machine known as society to further your own wealth slightly. Why would you commit an action so destructive when the consequences outweigh the benifits?

[@eljayism]

Harm only exists if god exists? Good lordt how do we meet these people in the middle when THIS is what they believe?

[@indigopines]

I know right???? So, if god doesnt exist, and you torture a baby.... You didn't do nothing wrong? The baby's pain just doesn't exist?? What the actual fuck???????

[@OkamiCurse]

I don’t think we can, or that it is fair to reasonably expect us to.

[@Sarcasticron]

They give the impression that they spend a lot of time wanting to do crimes, and the only thing stopping them is fear of hell. But normal people just don't want to do the crimes.

[@xxsidekickxx7287]

​@@Sarcasticron no they dont? Youre projecting your views on to them. And harm can only exist if there is an objective moral in the world. If morals are subjective, any crazy person can say that to them causing harm to other is morally good because it makes them feel good🥰, and that the other persons feeling of pain is actually the feeling of joy...😃. You see why this is a problem? If morals are subjective and are made by an individual then you cant really tell them that their crimes are bad, they could just argue that since stealing furthered their wealth its not a bad thing, and the people who lost their money feel joy that their money is being used to further someones life. Morality needs to be objective and in order for it to be that way, someone had to stablish it, many people call this person God. Its and interesting subject which can lead to good debates.

[@joshualavender]

@@xxsidekickxx7287 Re: "If morals are subjective, any crazy person can say that to them causing harm to other is morally good because it makes them feel good🥰, and that the other persons feeling of pain is actually the feeling of joy...😃." ....... What a load of monkey spunk! How have you reached the conclusion that how people say they feel is the only way or even the primary way to determine whether harm has been done? When someone is on trial for murder, do the lawyers determine whether or not the crime was committed and it was wrong and something should be done about it by arguing about how the murderer or the victim or the victim's family *feel* about it? Or more to your point, how they *say* they feel or how they *say* other people feel? This is just a red herring.

[@LydiaBennett23]

I was having a rough day with dysphoria today, while this video didn’t take it away, it made me feel way less alone in that. thank you. keep doing what you’re doing.

[@jonathan4189]

Give yourself a hug friend. 🙂

[@DarkVoidRealm]

same

[@jonathan4189]

@@DarkVoidRealmhugs for everyone!

[@codswallop321]

I'm only three minutes in and already the fatal flaw in his argument is crystal clear. The concept of "do no harm" is not unique to Theism: for example, it's fundamental to Buddhism, which is atheistic.

[@gabrielmccray3457]

Even if being trans was a mental disorder. I'm American and pro freedom. Otherwise plastic surgery and tattoos should be illegal. And i just don't care enough about what people do with their body. I may not even like it. Freedom. Freedom wins.

[@virno69420]

Out of curiosity, should public insurance plans paid by tax dollars contribute to gender affirming care ?

[@BriannadaSilva]

I've made this argument before. At the end of the day this is a bodily autonomy issue more than anything, I think. Even if trans people are wrong to transition (which I don't think they are), it's nobody's damn business what they do with their own lives and bodies. Freedom is right!!

[@gabrielmccray3457]

@@virno69420 it would not bother me if it does. If I didn't. That would be like being against a veteran getting health care for becoming an amputee. (Not necessarily from their service, just a public money example) And not giving them prosthetics. Technically they'll live without them. But do we only care about people up to fatal injuries? I think not. We care about their mental state too. And I'm ok with that.

[@KaaneDragonShinobi]

@@virno69420ah yes. the 0.00001% of taxpayer dollars that would go to the overwhelmingly huge population of trans people just rampaging all over the country. Get a grip, we spend far more money on a useless military (not the soldiers i'm talking about, just the military as an entity), and a social security scheme that might just explode in a few decades.

[@slimal1]

​@@virno69420if it's gonna fix the issue. But that's only one way to treat gender dysphoria. The problem is that any other course of action is deemed conversion therapy.

[@The_Other_Ghost]

He "admits", then switches to saying christians have been treated wrong... Smooth frank.

[@OldDeuteronomy555]

I grew up in a fundie household. As someone who is queer and trans I've never been accepted by the mainstream church or even my family. I now consider myself an esoteric Christian and I absolutely love your videos, thank you for discussing this.

[@luissalazar6960]

In Christianity, the order of God was to multiply, the only way to do it is by the sexual act. In Christianity you can only married once. It is very harm for many people to follow this rule when you do not love any more your couple, for example. Christianity is not easy, not only for LGTB people.

[@OldDeuteronomy555]

@@m00sing why would I believe something if I didn't think it was correct? What even was the point of this reply?

[@miiawolf5929]

"grow out of it by the time their 18" huh.. that's weird. Im still a femboy at 21, did I miss a memo or something?

[@olemew]

Are you denying the existence of detransitioners? Or the horror stories of fake v** which are literally open wounds your body is trying to heal every single day? That's plain evil

[@0xonomy]

didnt watch the vid yet buy femboys aren't guaranteed to be queer by definition

[@yami-no-kami3586]

And I realized that I might be trans at 21 XD

[@Shio_Felsei47]

Yes of course you did!!! You are just delusional and obviously not a femboy because Christian’s are always right duhhhh (I’m a femboy too, dont take this seriously incase you did cause I’ve seen ppl on yt who do take it seriously)

[@nostur4984]

Yyyeaaaah probably more than one lol 💀

[@The8BitPianist]

"There's only harm if god exists" is such a clown statement, as if anyone actually believes that

[@AXKfUN9m]

The fact that they believe that, and actually worship such being, speaks volumes on their morality.

[@WinterWitch01]

Right? How twisted is you’re only being persecuted if you validate my beliefs in god, who says being LQBTQIA is a sin

[@gsp3428]

I would actually change it, to harming others is only wrong if God exists. If God doesnt why not do whatever you want. Who says its wrong to harm others, it goes on all the time around the world, in both the animal world and the human world.

[@AXKfUN9m]

@@gsp3428 There's nothing inherently wrong with causing harm, it's just that we, as humans and society, determine which types of harm are 'bad'.

[@whambalamb]

Before there was a human society, who defined right and wrong

[@Mud-Brain]

over an hour?! god, i don't think i can edge that long

[@immortalirx]

Who?

[@chuuislovechuuislife]

💀💀💀

[@Akira-jd2zr]

amateur :)

[@exiledkenkaneki701]

Skill issue honestly

[@dekai7992]

Practice.

[@katarinanotev9704]

The lengths people would go to discourage others who make decisions for themselves, just because it doesn't align with their understanding of the world... A common thing people do, projecting their own limiting beliefs onto others.. And how dangerous it can get. Breaks my heart to hear how many people suffer just because others don't want to think a bit and learn a bit more about life. Also, how easily wrong information spreads just because it aligns with previous misbeliefs listener/ viewer has, and when it comes from someone who had positioned themself as a trustworthy person in their eye. People choosing their own perceived safety (when they're, in reality, not threatened at all) - an easy way, instead of showing any empathy to other human being is such a scary phenomenon to me. And how they act all high and merciful to keep their good image. "Oh poor poor misguided person, you are sick, let me help you", they say, and then proceed to do the thing that has been proven scientifically time after time to have enormous negative consequences on health and wellbeing of that "poor person" they are "helping". It is also terrifying when most people surrounding you in your daily life hold such beliefs and even though other views exist and thrive and are accessible online, it is very isolating if you don't know anyone like that / have a safe space offline. I cannot believe how anyone could say people transition to be cool when it is known how more likely trans people are to be ostracized, not have health care or have a hard time finding a job, and it doesn't even matter if they "pass" or not. Especially at the beginning of the transitioning. These people are making me livid. They always put themselves to be the victim, all while cornering and ganging up on minorities who just want to live in peace and have same opportunities as the non-minorities already do!! And they always somehow believe they are smarter than actual professionals when it comes to medicine and health, biology and such. On the brighter side, Skeptic, thank you for making this video! Great job :)

[@ChristineVress]

To a religious person: *Harmless things become bad if god says he doesn't like it and what's worse is that harmful things become moral and even good if god tells you to do it*

[@Cuhpri]

No.

[@njhoepner]

I would say Christianity is fundamentally unethical. Ethics are boundaries on behavior - christians by definition can have no such boundaries, they are required to do whatever their god tells them to do, regardless.

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

@@Cuhpri Actually, yes. Divine command theory or some version of it has been the position of most Christians for as long as there have been Christians.

[@sabzuski]

​@DavidSmith-vr1nb God is perfect. Perfection is the best you can get. If God is perfect then nothing can be more perfect than God. Because God is perfect, his morals are perfect to. Because his morals are perfect, he is the perfect moral standard. Because he is the perfect moral standard, what he commands is good and can't be otherwise. Therefore, God commands things to be morally right or wrong and they are such things because he is the perfect moral standard. He isn't adhering to an outside standard and isn't just saying things to be good randomly. Yes many Christians think its blind faith when in fact it isn't.

[@njhoepner]

@@sabzuski OK, let's try a short morality quiz. For each question, determine with of the two is immoral: Question 1: A) a person marrying another of the same sex; B) a person defrauding 5,000 people of their life savings. Question 2: A) Being a racist; B) being transgender. Question 3: A) a clergyman molesting children; B) a man dressing up as a woman. Take all the time you need.

[@kasey42]

I was not abused, nor shunned or mistreated by anyone because of my sexuality, and I will be 50 in 2025. Turek has no idea what causes anything. I'm a proud pansexual non-binary, and I have known since I was 8 who I was attracted to.

[@jyoung78]

"There's a transphobia problem in the atheist community." Yup- thank you for calling that out

[@FunkyLittlePoptart]

It follows on their shockingly high degree of misogyny. The two go hand in hand. Capital A Atheist men are even more annoying than Christians because they go "blah blah blah genetics blah blah evolution blah" while trying to justify male supremacy and frankly it's an embarrassment to science. At least Christians have being 2000 years behind the times to justify their whackadoo beliefs.

[@yunobeat]

There is a transphobia problem in so so so many communities…. Its frightening….

[@UNDRGRNDOFFICIAL]

It’s good. Trans people need to quit manipulating people and going by pronouns. It’s an embarrassment

[@Iamhere829]

​@@yunobeatikrr it's so scary ❤

[@rohanking12able]

Yep they're just hateful. 😂😂😂

[@Soluxian]

As a trans girl all of my pain and trauma related to transition is church/religion related

[@losreed]

Drew, thank you for doing these videos. I’m a parent of a trans child (and the son of a gay father), and he has gone through top surgery, is on testosterone, and has had his birth certificate update. Parents, do not believe your child will revert. There is no way they would put themselves in danger, harm their chances at an easy life, etc., just to be cool. That is utter bull. Love and respect your family first. BTW: I loved the Antibot’s video review of the Dav is Deconstructing. Having watched you both for long enough to know your stories it was a great lens to see that through. ❤

[@Neurodivergent_RN]

The most incomprehensible anti trans argument I see is the "it will make them popular" argument. UGH! Seriously? What high school did you go to? The vast majority of trans kids face tons of bullying and discrimination, and yet, they are determined to be themselves in the face of such bigotry. They should be praised, not belittled and shamed.

[@PinoccThePiccolo]

@opal884 Their kid is likely an adult by now, it is extremely rare for trans teenagers to receive gender affirming surgery. Not to mention that their child is clearly happy regardless, so you can’t say they are “wrong” for simply allowing their kid to thrive.

[@PinoccThePiccolo]

Did you ever watch the video Opal? Because I’m going to trust the guy who cited his [CREDIBLE] sources over some commenter who likes to butt into other people’s lives.

[@PinoccThePiccolo]

@Opal884 The NIH that found “60% lower odds of depression and 73% lower odds of suicidality among youths who had initiated Puberty Blockers or Gender Affirming Hormones compared with youths who had not”? Lol. The study was conducted in 2022 and is tilted “Mental Health Outcomes in Transgender and Nonbinary Youths Receiving Gender-Affirming Care“, if you were wondering.

[@PinoccThePiccolo]

Also you never answered my question. Did you watch the video? Or did you just come here to tell people they’re wrong? I’m genuinely asking so I don’t waste my time.

[@A-WallfromAL]

I struggled so hard with the Bible’s view on sexuality when I was an evangelical. I’m cis and straight but have had plenty of cherished LGBTQ folks in my world. I hated the idea of shaming them for something I really didn’t think they chose. Glad to not have that problem anymore.

[@A-WallfromAL]

@@m00sing Do I really have to explain why sharing traditional evangelical teaching on homosexuality could cause a gay person to to feel shame?

[@A-WallfromAL]

@@m00sing Please clarify: Are you saying it doesn’t matter whether a gay person feels shame from the Gospel, it’ll happen regardless, so I should tell them the Gospel?

[@NatanaelKvamme]

Dont chame them, show tgwm the love of god, and they wont want to do that anymore.

[@HungryWarden]

@@NatanaelKvammeI really want to say something but I can’t figure out how to word it in a way that would make sense so I’m just going to say my thoughts in two words- That’s stupid.

[@A-WallfromAL]

@@NatanaelKvamme Yeah. Let me know when that works.

[@jwomackandcheese73]

Hey Drew, great video. Im in grad school becoming a therapist I also work at a behavioral health facility, 4 years experience in face to face care. One of my biggest frustrations with the KZbin sphere is that a lot of pro trans people don't do a great job of explaining the research or phenomenon of being trans or gender dysphoria broadly. I get why, this topic requires not only the ability to read and critique resesrch articles, but also requires a good foundation of knowledge of clinical psychology and its pracrice. You did an amazing job. Much of this video are studies and postions I use myself when talking about this topic with people. Please keep up the the fantastic work in making the world a better more informed place.

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

There are very few who have education in this field AND a decently sized platform. When I realized that I’m one of those few, I decided I had a responsibility to educate on this. Thank you for the love, and for your work in behavioral health. It’s been years since I worked in that field but I understand how hard it is. ❤

[@jwomackandcheese73]

@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic omg thank you so much for the reply. I love your channel and wife's. You are both so great to listen to as I'm going about my life. Thank you for your words fo encouragement. I think it would be interesting for you to interview people as to what to do about what is going on with research and media literacy and what to do about it. After I get licensed and have a practice I want to go into advocacy and policy making so I and other therapists can't be arrested for providing evidence based care. Again keep up the amazing work. ❤️

[@DrachenGothik666]

@@jwomackandcheese73 Good luck on your journey! We trans folks need more like you in our corner in the political sphere. It's getting _really_ ugly out here. Like number 9 on the Genocide scale ugly.

[@ke__ja]

trans woman here 22:10 I have never had any queer representation in my life until I heard a few of my friends are bi. They didnt behave any different tho. I didnt know "what trans people are". Ive been going 19 years without knowledge of that and still I got jealous of women, of looking like women, having girls talk wearing dresses and makeup and looking pretty. I wanted that, i felt something is missing on my body, on my chest. My earliest memory of me actually being a trans woman (or well girl at that time) is from kindergarden!!!! Without trauma, without any bullying. And i have lots of memories like that which i just suppressed. I got depressed with puberty starting, seemingly for no reason, but now I can identify almost all of that as gender dysphoria. My body is not the shape and colour of my soul as i like to explain it. And all "you've been brainwashed" stuff doesnt work here, cause I just realised with two posts explaining what it feels like, what it means to be trans. Two two-sentence posts were all it took for me to realise. My previous depression was like a ball of yarn I just pulled one string out and suddenly that string was almost completely the size of the previous ball, with the string I pulled being identificably dysphoria and the leftover string being everything else in life. This is not sudden appearance of dysphoria. It is being able to recategorise and identify it as what it is. And that is what people dont understand. It isnt just something you can ignore or talk down All I can say is, if I knew earlier, I probably wouldnt have gone suicidal at some point. I would have known what helps. Dysphoria can kill. I couldnt look into the mirror seeing male outlines anymore. I broke down seeing just a bit in the corner of my eye at some point. I waited 3 years till i had my hormones and wouldnt have survived another year. This is no joke, this is not "anothers doing". The soul didnt fit the body, the engine had the wrong motor oil. We just want to live our lives. Pride is not about turning kids queer, its about keeping queer kids safe (and alive)