Thypoch: The New Voigtlander?

[@cameraconspiracies]

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[@mdenjoyer831]

Manual focus better than fujifilm autofocus simulation

[@brusselssprout1]

That is priceless! 😊

[@herbertmasing]

😂😂

[@shadowrevival]

tfw Fooj AF is worse than my 20 year old pocket cam 🤣

[@hansa2026]

Omg autofocus simulation :D

[@samohara5187]

The 35mm version they released with it has 9 elements in 5 groups with 0 ED elements. That is going to pop off the edge of our flat Earth.

[@kstrohmeier]

The hole in the lens hood is for Leica rangefinder photographers.

[@chris_keeps_taking_photos]

As a film photographer who for some reason watches your channel it’s fun watching you puzzle over a depth of field scale and rangefinder hood as if they are ancient artifacts. The dots are just like the pretty colors on the old Nikon lenses. I just shot the 35mm version of this lens and loved it.

[@billxciii]

I’m a film photographer too, the reason to watch is simply that it’s funny. 😉

[@marklholloway]

You made Toneh and Chelseh proud with the lens test 😅

[@JoATTech]

Is Chelseh 3d pop factor unit?

[@bigboi36]

@@JoATTech Chelseh definitely has 3D Pop back there. Toneh is a lucky man

[@JoATTech]

@@bigboi36 LOOOL

[@danieljung2810]

Wow, Thypoch has some beautiful character!

[@billxciii]

Yeah, it really does.

[@BfoSHIZnats]

I'm gonna be honest. I've never learned anything or found a take away from your lens reviews. But the humor is entertaining.

[@loganwebb5449]

“Rock back and forth cinematically”

[@cap3gt944]

The Thypoch 35mm f1.4 is a literal Leica Summilux copy. It has exactly the same glass design, just without the coating. The rendering is also the same and you are literally buying a Leica lens if you order it.

[@cLaunMH]

There are vintage lenses from A. Schacht and Schneider-Kreuznach in Germany that had a similar mechanical display of depth of field, pretty neat.

[@paulthomas8986]

Brilliant skin tones and colors with this lens in combination with Nikon. Impressive results

[@billxciii]

I know you're not old enough to care whether that was a feature of older lenses, yes, it kind of was... the old distance scales were less mechanically complicated. Instead of popping red dots, they just put color coded lines on the lens and color coded the apertures that were associated with them. Incidentally, this is a great way get stuff in focus without worrying about autofocus because you know the near focus distance and far focus distance, if you're halfway decent at estimating distance you can ensure your subject in focus without ever looking through the viewfinder (or screen if you're using an old lens on a new camera). Edit: After watching the video, I think that might be the most cinematic I've seen you look in one of your vlogs, and when you were popping forward and back you were actually in focus the whole time (stopping down a bit on a manual focus lens... what a concept!) 😅 Still... I guess you can't stick with it... we need Camera Conspiracies to keep going!

[@brusselssprout1]

@@billxciii except these scales were designed according to film era conventions on circle of confusion, which in turn determined depth of "acceptable" focus for a given film type, magnified at at a given print/projection size and viewed at a given distance. In other words, it determined how far one could drift from the exact plane of focus at a given aperture and still procure an "acceptable" impression of sharpness. same;logic as hyperfocal distance. I do not remember what film negative was used as benchmark for these conventions, but film grain size also masked the impact of small focus drifts. Unfortunately, in the high res digital era (by high res I mean anything above 12MP on FF) this does not work anymore, unless you NEVER pixelpeep. And everybody, including your grandma, pixelpeeps as soon as they get hold of any device showing a picture. To get a better view of the pretty cat or the baby's hair, whatever the reason. And they will comment if those features are a little blurred. "Oh how cute, a pity the eyes are not clear". This has consequences on print size ambitions as well. You need a small sensor size, like smart phones, to get genuinely deep focus. Or use f/4 depth markings on the,lens for a f/16 aperture on larger sensors. So, I am bit weary when photographers claim they enjoy relying on vintage DoF scales to prefocus. They are bound to be very often disappointed when they fiddle in Lightroom to refine the final image.

[@billxciii]

@@brusselssprout1 Dude, none of that pixel peeping waste of time is relevant to my post. The scales were calibrated film because they were made for film cameras, the new lens will be better (but not perfectly) calibrated for digital. Or, you could just not overcomplicate shit and, for example, use the f/11 scale when shooting at f/16 on a newer camera, I do that all the time. (However, that’s probably not even relevant to Camera Conspiracies, because Kasey’s shooting video and even if he’s not throwing out half his sensor resolution on whatever camera he’s using these days by doing so, nobody’s going to see any of that the moment he starts moving.) The entire point was that similar scales existed on old lenses, just like this new one… with a little bit of fudge factor the old scales are even still useful on new cameras… unless you spend all day long looking at your photos at 300% magnification instead of viewing the whole picture on your screen or printing your photos like a sane person.

[@billxciii]

Oh, God, I just realized I used f/16 in my example, now I’m probably going to get a five paragraph long dissertation on focus stacking. Fucking measurebators. 🤦‍♂

[@billxciii]

Oh God, I just realized I used f/16 as an example… now I’m probably going to get a five paragraph dissertation on diffraction and focus stacking. Uggh… measurebators. 🤦‍♂

[@pslaathaug]

The holes on the lens hood are for when you have filter on and you can ajust it.

[@tjena]

No lol

[@thebentzenable]

Excellent episode today, thanks for showing the lens 🙏😁👍

[@adinbradic7092]

yes man! nice to see you always in the middle of the things. nothing good goes by you. these are amazing.

[@kostistau]

DID YOU AT 5:01 SAY:“ even this R5ii” and pointed at it?????? OH DEAR LORD HE POUNCED!!!!!

[@0xBlurryface]

I had the same question and I wondered whether he had it on his table 😅

[@jamesoliver6625]

On vintage Nikon lenses, the flare of rainbow colored lines provide a display of the depth of focus progression as you stop down. In the manual focus era it was pretty universal. All my Vivitar (starving student poverty) lenses had this as well as my one Canon on my FTb (cheapest quality body with mirror lock in 1970). It was a handy tool in those days. And I must add, the dearth of good manual, visual focusing capability on digital cameras, mirrorless as well as DSLRs, is one thing I really miss (don't tell me peaking is just as good. In the flow of "process" it's distracting as anything)

[@ShadesOClarity]

Never heard of this brand. I think it looks pretty good. I like the results from my manual Miranda and Vivitar lenses.

[@adinbradic7092]

there is amazing 50mm f1.4 too. also Simera-c line with better manual control for video... what my favourite part of thypoch making these lenses is vintage leica r and similar lenses prices hopefully going down. tens of thousands dollars for vintage lens is insane.

[@scotthime6928]

Thypoch sounds like the villian in an Iron Man movie. Turns out it's a brand of Chinese 3D Pop.

[@sneye1]

A lovely lens. Still my favorite. I use the M mount version with a Techart AF adapter. Works well enough for stills. It's hard to find a good 28mm lens with AF support. The only one I approve of is insanely expensive (Nikon 28/1.4 E).

[@williamwilson5127]

The ThighPouch gets pretty hazy as you open it up.

[@MB-dq2gz]

I considered the Thypoch 28mm until I heard they had no exif data or 2 axis IBIS like the Voigtlander's on the Z mount. So totally the fault of the lens you don't get focus confirmation.

[@FramesTM]

Loved the video.

[@bigboi36]

@@FramesTM frames!!! Where ya been buddy? Kacy been putting out fantastic videos showing lens fidelity (3D-pop)

[@DubravkoKovacduq]

That video almost made me to buy the 7sIII

[@35mmOn35mm]

Lens hood hole is so you can see through a viewfinder on old rangefinder bodies

[@Yosh1107]

“It was uphill on the way home” 😂🤣

[@KarlGutowski]

@5:32 Forget the minimum focus distance. You have a Sound Devices MixPre interface?

[@cameraconspiracies]

A Steinbeck gift :)

[@Sup90210]

The “holes” for DoF were originally designed by Kern Paillard for their cine lenses used on Bolex 16mm & 8mm cameras. Beautiful lenses and I suspect would still better this 🇨🇳one. They look amazing on an OG BMPCC

[@nremac]

The 28 would've been an instant buy for me if it had contacts. Voigtländer has spoiled me (if I ignore the fact that they haven't released a 28 for sony e mount of course lol)

[@nicedward7544]

Been wanting to try them out

[@BassDad-TV]

I used to listen to a lot of 2poch if that helps

[@Squidpaws-]

This disco strobe light pop is ours!

[@lelandfitz1762]

A bottel episode every once in a while hasn't hurt anybody. Edit: Kasey left the house in the end.

[@H2o3G2a]

You're the shill now

[@sargisshirinyan207]

Hey Kasey, what are some of the best 3D popping Fujifilm X mount lenses? Preferably a versatile zoom but I'm fine with a prime as well.

[@cameraconspiracies]

I guess you gotta watch all my older videos where I've answered that many times.

[@adinbradic7092]

16mm f1.4 and 35mm f1.4. but seriously, watch older videos, I might be wrong. or am i?

[@NewCompVisuals]

"Just rock back and forth cinematically"

[@NathanDaneman]

Hey, have you looked into the Jupiter 9 lenses or the Helios lenses from the USSR? They’re vintage and manual focus, but their look is rather attractive😍😍

[@DubravkoKovacduq]

I second this. I had a Jupiter 85mm 18 years ago and sold it during my first GAS therapy phase.

[@fiszu4075]

that nikon is destroying whatever that lense is trying to achieve

[@Pixeld.]

Hey, Your always talking about Pop and Colors.. but how and what you use for Sound recording? Did you ever do a Video about Sound? Do some good Sound Content please

[@Fessoid]

12:25 You look like a Doctor. Nice

[@paulbailey6251]

Interesting, but we used to take the lens cap off in my day.

[@nicedward7544]

R5ii??? The sun stars test is giving Chris Frost vibes lol

[@SkinnybonesMD]

Thypoch are releasing cine variants called Simera-C in 21/28/3550/75mm might be worth a look?

[@MikeJones-zk4ce]

Get the m-mount version and then an autofocus adapter for m lens to z mount.

[@0xBlurryface]

The techart one?

[@MikeJones-zk4ce]

Yes

[@thissidetowardscreen4553]

I do not know why this channel has not won any acting awards! the production value...the quality of content and the library of knowledge. The flat world is blessed!

[@Filmgoblin]

Yeah the simera-c removes the finger focus thing and depth of field dots gimmick and increases focus throw to 300 degrees. Also it has 16 iris blades. What! Why! I want it! Also they just look cool

[@yawningmarmot]

Jeez, they need to hire a brand naming specialist ASAP

[@Filmgoblin]

@@yawningmarmot yeah it’s not the coolest name. Simera mean “live in the moment” and I’m pretty sure thypoch is a similar translation.

[@DiversionScience]

16 iris/aperture blades is awesome, always round toneh balls and nice transition zones. I mostly try to get lenses with at least 10. The focus throw on the Simera-c is 210 degrees. They look nice, but they're E-mount only(for now). They're also bigger and heavier because they're cinema lenses, but very compact and light compared to other cinema glass. Thypoch isn't available in any local store where I live though...

[@Filmgoblin]

@@DiversionScience yeah I don’t know many lenses with 16 blades. Only possible downsides of these lenses for video is vignette wide open, focus breathing, and currently only e mount. But honestly they are cheap and would be a great set to have for that vintage look but still being balanced and sharp and maybe have a set like miso Athena for more clinical sharpness and being light.

[@iteachtime]

The red dots show the depth of field. Older lenses had red lines.

[@Meth0z]

wait a second.. Nikon at 51k ISO looked pretty badly noisy.. Sony ZVE1 looked freaking amazing.. was that at 51k for real? i couldn't see any noise wtf

[@cameraconspiracies]

Sony is usable at like 409,000 lol.

[@Meth0z]

@@cameraconspiracies bruh.. I can't even tell if you're telling the truth or just playing with me 😭😭

[@yawningmarmot]

​@@Meth0zHe's correct, and it's been that way since the a7s ii

[@alphajam1]

It wasn't luck, it was skill.

[@Bill-NM]

Costs about the same as a used Canon 24/1.4.

[@DavidRRowell]

I recon Kasey could get a ft career as a film / tv cameraman 🎥📽️🎬

[@Photovintageguy]

Yeah old lenses have the lines to show depth of field at a given aperture and a given focus distance. There are videos on YT. Keep in mind it's a very rough estumate so you still need to nail focus on the subject. Basically if you have two sets of f stop numbers they are the dog range. Ie f8 the dog is between the two f 8s on the focus scale. Ie between 15 to 30 feet.

[@sargisshirinyan207]

They should have called themselves THYPOP instead

[@NewCompVisuals]

ThighPop ;)

[@mar0zim]

Voigtländer is a German company (still) and the lenses are make by Cosina in Japan.

[@moneyshift8190]

Lens looks good, but can't go manual.

[@klausschroiff4405]

But it has an ED element ;-)

[@LaopsAR]

Thypooch who's a good boy

[@tech-utuber2219]

7:32 Whoa, that Nikon noise! Good thing you don’t have a need for high ISO video.

[@knnroy]

that noise hurts Nikon

[@evenhandedcommentor6102]

Calling it Voigtlander like, but then comparing it to Viltrox and old Canon…priceless. As for any 3D pop…lol. I prefer the real look of the Viltrox . I like seeing Casey's flaws. No surprise, Casey prefers the softer look of cheaper lenses, and then he defends that flaw in his thinking by yammering about 3D pop. And the Sony was better in low light. But if you don’t like the Sony, send it to me. I’d like to slum along with it.

[@tricamel]

Dr Alphonsus Noir. Master of darkness. Brought to you by Nikon and Red color science. 😂

[@lelandfitz1762]

AFAIK Voigtländer is built to connect to Nikon Z cameras and allow the green focus thing you're talking about. Don't know if Thypoch isn't allowed or not able to do the same.

[@cameraconspiracies]

Probably why it's much cheaper.

[@lelandfitz1762]

@@cameraconspiracies Yeah, in my naive world view an open camera mount system is the same as open source software where everyone can connect. But there is always something.

[@NewCompVisuals]

What no EF mount?! :)

[@Jgheiler]

Please test the voitglander 40mm f1.2 for nikon

[@cameraconspiracies]

Only when Nikon updates their cameras to have punch in to focus while recording, otherwise it's a hopeless endeavor.

[@Kemilc]

First here ! ❤

[@Nearest_Neighbor]

The noise ours.

[@mdenjoyer831]

at 9:29 it looked like canon was just a green screen and the viltrox has real 3d depth it shows that it's all about colors and colors grading doesn't matter what lens

[@Anon-zl4ne]

I have more trust in Voigtlander Nokton lenses made in Japan than a Thypoch Simera lenses made in China. Plus, it is better to avoid supporting Chinese companies if there is a reasonable alternative.

[@carlosandreviana9448]

It's hilarious how a guy who considers himself a photographer does not like or understand the concept of manual lenses. There's so much for you to learn

[@rikkiekhrist6823]

the nikon surprisingly looks better in low light

[@yawningmarmot]

Niiikon, your sensors have more noise than actual pixels, why do you dooo it, doo it

[@zoltanvarga1967]

❤❤❤❤❤

[@pixelsandgrain]

The low light noise on the Nikkie boy is horrendous. It's pretty much unusable for low light video based on this footage. You should stick with the Sony ZV-E1. 7Artisans has an EF to Sony E-mount adapter that supports AF, so you could use your Canon "3D Pop" lenses with the Sony too.

[@cameraconspiracies]

Who ever uses ISO 51,000?

[@pixelsandgrain]

@@cameraconspiracies I don't know who uses ISO 51,000. But the Nikon footage in your videos at any ISO looks noisier than my mom's camcorder from 1992. It is horrible. Sony at 51,000 might be better than the Nikon at base ISO. And this is not "cool film grain" noise. It's really bad shadow noise. Unless this is user error, thanks for showing how unusable Nikkie boy is for video so we don't have to waste our $$ testing it.

[@mdenjoyer831]

at 9:29 why do you say canon is poppy lens but viltrox is flat? do you actually look at your footage before saying? the viltrox has better depth than the canon that looks like a green screen in that scene

[@cameraconspiracies]

Deep focus is not 3D. It's hard to explain to beginner hobos.

[@mdenjoyer831]

@@cameraconspiracies the point is the viltrox look like it has depth, the canon looks like a green screen but you still say it's poppy, meaning you don't even look at the result but just label the lenses

[@cameraconspiracies]

@@mdenjoyer831 The Viltrox has zero pop, and the Canon lens might be my poppiest of all. So your thoughts are that of a blind monkey.

[@evenhandedcommentor6102]

@@mdenjoyer831 What you don’t get is that this is a cult. When the cult leader declares 3D pop, all the followers bow and repeat. No one needs to look at the images. Faith trumps perception.

[@Bill-NM]

​@@evenhandedcommentor6102read comments over several videos - there's a lot of disagreement over 3D pop. But also, over several videos, with various scenes/lighting, certain lenses DO rise to the top of the pop list. If you don't see the pop in this video, try watching other videos.

[@nh-ss5pw]

What’s your thoughts on all these YT shills all getting Hasselblads ? Thanks for the good times

[@LIGHTHUNTER.D]

The People’s Leica

[@LIGHTHUNTER.D]

21mn Simera coming out eventually too 👀

[@yawningmarmot]

Not at those prices

[@LIGHTHUNTER.D]

@@yawningmarmot really not that bad considering the specs. You don’t find 14 aperture blades and FLEs on cheaper options

[@yawningmarmot]

@@LIGHTHUNTER.D I mean, you could get legacy manual lenses for much less money with a similar iris

[@LIGHTHUNTER.D]

@@yawningmarmot didn’t mention the speed, but yeah they aren’t the first f1.4’s out there

[@IO470N]

Thigh pock. So... cellulite? That may have been a better name. Boy, that look takes me back to doing videos on my T3i with the 18-55 kit lens.

[@rephaelreyes8552]

Thypoch definitely has more 3D pop than the canon lens.

[@Fitzrovialitter]

What do you mean by 3D pop?

[@evenhandedcommentor6102]

@@Fitzrovialitter The 3 “D”’s are Dense, Dumb, and stupiD. They “pop” whenever anyone believes nonsense.

[@bigboi36]

Secondly 🎉

[@bigboi36]

The image fidelity is swell!

[@Fitzrovialitter]

Why do so many camera "experts" make up their own pronunciation of Voigtländer?

[@DVDJukebox-s7g]

Do you even know what focus breathing means? You should have Tony Northrop explain it to you.

[@DiversionScience]

The holes in the lens hood have 2 functions: - Being able to adjust filters like polarization filters. - Letting air through so the wind doesn't affect it too much.

[@raptor2359]

its for leica rangefinder cameras, so you can see when you look through the viewfinder

[@DiversionScience]

@@raptor2359 Nice, so 3 functions then.🙂

[@Homer-0]

Does Sony have Noise reduction baked in like Canon ? Also, in order to have focus confirmation, you don't necessarily need native Nikon lenses, any lens with electronic contacts will work. For lenses with no electronic contacts, you need the Neewer ETZ or megadap adapter. This guy has a good solution for old vintage manual lenses kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWWlqoFnnquAndU

[@quadcam24v]

Thypoch looks like a painting! The Sony/Viltrox combo, the colours are just ugh. Dunno, just flat and boring.

[@CianMcsweeney]

You should look at getting the techart autofocus adapter for your Nikon, also in manual focus it'll enable to the green focus confirmation for M mount lenses

[@AprilClayton]

I thought thypoch was a complication of thyroid AIDS. A nice lens, though.

[@chrisbennett814]

just buy some vintage pentax super takumar and an adapter...

[@AI3Dorinte]

yes the thypoch has more pop than the canon

[@phil669]

Toneh balls and sun stars ahhh.

[@WilliamTaylor-h4r]

A horror film would pay crazy money, you have the guy being quiet, another guy stays quieter than him. China money is the future.

[@rishiraz1993]

I don't know what 3d pop actually looks like, but I have personally found the images from the Samyang/Rokinon 135mm f/2 (manual focus) to have a magical rendering. In the beginning I thought it was the focal length, but the rendering of images from the Sony, Sigma and Samyang's own AF 135mm F/1.8 look pretty uninteresting to me. I have gone through most of Real Life Photography Club's videos on 3d pop, and based on his formula I found out that the Samyang 135mm f/2 actually qualifies as a 3d pop lens with only 1 ED element (less than 10%) and 11 elements in 7 groups which gives a score of 1.57, which falls in the highly poppy category. The lens is also very sharp and has very few technical flaws, which is surprising considering the design of the lens. Do have a look at that lens if you can before it gets buried deep in the DSLR lens grave.

[@stefannantz]

Hi @cameraconspiracies you can get the green confirmation with non CPU lenses. You use a m-mount to e-mount adapter to a Neewer E-mount to Z-mount adapter. Or a smart M-mount to Z-mount adapter.

[@stefannantz]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/a363aqWlrKqJkJIsi=mIbm1WVShPgoUBSE

[@classic.cameras]

I'd buy this lens but not for that retail price. Like yeah my Voightlander is MF only as well and very expensive but for this retail price the THYPOCH should have EXIF info at the very least. Its a Chinese lens after all and no matter how well it performs it will always have a stigma around it when it comes to selling it.

[@NewCompVisuals]

The hole is for a keychain

[@clarenceoveur9497]

Nikon colors destroy the Sony, not even fair. Thypoch is a keeper for sure.

[@Photovintageguy]

See if you can get a copy of the TTartisan 75mm f/1.5 Swirly Bokeh Lens

[@ml.2770]

Viltrox looks way better. Next.

[@PoloHungary]

Couple see your feet and say go he is insane,can we buy you a real shoe outside?