Cameralabs Cafe 002: G7X III vs RX100 VII, A7r IV

[@cameralabs]

In this Podcast, Gordon and Doug discuss the Canon G7X III, G5X II, Sony RX100 VII and Sony A7r IV. Buy Gordon and Doug a coffee: www.paypal.me/cameralabs Gordon's In Camera book at Amazon: amzn.to/2n61PfI / Amazon uk: amzn.to/2mBqRVZ Like Cameralabs? Get the T-Shirt: redbubble.com/people/cameralabs/shop Check prices of all the gear we talked about below Canon G7X II: bhpho.to/2g5jbuv Canon G7X III: bhpho.to/2yn07Ny Canon G5X II: bhpho.to/2ykSG9S Sony RX100 VII: bhpho.to/2K6Vhth Sony A7r IV: bhpho.to/2JDwe1W

[@oc2phish07]

As a dyed-in-the-wool Nikon and Fuji user I have no intention of moving to any of the cameras you are discussing here but I do really enjoy your videos, especially when 'The Doug' is involved, so just had to watch from start to finish. Great stuff Gordon, keep it up.

[@dkaye23]

If I hadn't gone down the Leica hole, I'd probably be a Fuji user. ...The Doug

[@LuisGGomezPhoto]

Gordon & Doug fantastic comeback!!! thanks for sharing.

[@cameralabs]

Thanks, glad you're enjoying it! Hope you've seen the first episode in the new format too...

[@youareawesome8]

Love the show. Keep it going please. Big thank you to both.

[@cameralabs]

thanks!

[@LEXPIX]

Good stuff Gordon. Love your reviews and insights.

[@richardgraham65]

You seem to have a good grasp of the way the connection between the camera and the network functions, I wonder if you can answer a question for me regarding a Canon 80D? Whenever I connect the camera to the PC to download images using the WiFi from the camera it always seems to go via the wireless router, then into the EOS app on the PC that controls the download and remote shooting process. Normally on my PC I never use WiFi as everything is hooked up using Ethernet. So if you can picture the way the connection works (as far as I can tell) Camera TO Wifi (Router)- TO Ethernet- TO PC, do you know is it possible to let the Ethernet just work as it normally does and deal with the internet and day to day throughput, but then to make the Camera connect independently using ONLY the WiFi on the PC (my PC has its own independent Wifi connection which is never used) as a sort of separate network? I am thinking WiFi Direct, but cannot seem to find enough info about this type of connection. It would be great to link the two without the need for the EOS program, just a direct link bypassing the router and ethernet completely. Thanks!

[@cameralabs]

As you know, the PC needs to be on the same network as the camera to talk to it. I think if both the PC and the camera are connected to the same Wifi access point, then it should work AND you should be able to connect to the internet / wider network with the PC. But if the PC is on wired ethernet only, it may not be making a connection with the camera. It's a pain.

[@skyphotography4918]

Thanks for this awesome video, thanks to you guys that we learn something every day, greetings from the Seychelles.

[@cameralabs]

Glad you liked it! Should we make them shorter?

[@skyphotography4918]

Gordon Laing not at all mate , for me if a video is interesting I don’t mind watching for hours.

[@cameralabs]

@@skyphotography4918 great stuff!

[@sosomelodies659]

I already have a full frame camera, so I'm uber excited to get my hands on the new RX100 with it's high end specs. The fact that it can fit inside a fanny pack is just the thing I need.

[@cameralabs]

I've just photographed the Brighton Pride March with my sample and it performed so well there I'm doing a blog post about it at cameralabs.com

[@jefffenske1958]

*Can the RAW uncropped, wider-than-24mm image be rendered with software, since 24mm can be too tight for vlogging?* Is there a way to remove lens corrections with software, so the wider, somewhat fisheye image that the lens actually captures could be filmed instead of the tighter 24mm crop? *DxO and other software do this for stills.* Does any software do this for video? This could result in a much more pleasant field of view for vlogging.

[@cameralabs]

Hmm, interesting question but sadly there's no way to turn off lens corrections for video or to record in a raw format prior to lens corrections being applied. So no, sorry!

[@jefffenske1958]

@@cameralabs Thanks for clarifying. That makes sense. I was hoping I was onto something. Bummer. We need some wider focal length compact cameras then, or a compression that allows the image to be uncropped for video. They could call it "Vlogging Mode." I imagine RAW files would be too big without some compression.

[@cameralabs]

@@jefffenske1958 or longer arms...

[@jefffenske1958]

@@cameralabs Well, at least we got mic inputs. Thanks for repeatedly mentioning that in your reviews! I'm going to try vlogging with an old Olympus PL5 and the 9mm body cap lens, using the SEMA mic adapter, which blocks the screen that tilts up. Hopefully the fast shutter speed needed is doable.

[@1Beauty1]

What would be considered "low light"? I'm interested in the Sony RX100 VII but I want to use it indoors in well lit rooms mostly.

[@Smoothblue90]

I had an LX7 for 120 fps 720p and a while back got the updated LX10 for 120 fps 1080p and 4k but have not used them much. I enjoyed the video. I need to get them out and experiment with them.

[@markrowley6847]

Good to see the second instalment of your new podcast. Not a Sony user myself, but always interesting to see what's developing across the photographic world. Just want to say that Doug has such a mellifluous voice; he could have been made to be on the radio. Any chance of doing a show dedicated to MFT? I've recently got an E-M5 MkII partly on your recommendation Gordon. Keep up the good work.

[@cameralabs]

Thanks! Yes, Doug has a fantastic voice and a pretty cool wardrobe of shirts too... Yes, an MFT show could be a great idea, especially as Doug has been testing 6K Photo for street work... maybe we should wait for the Em5 successor...

[@dkaye23]

Thanks, Mark, he said mellifluously.

[@PhotoGearFun]

I've been watching this show for a while I really enjoy it. Keep up the great work!

[@cameralabs]

Thanks, glad you enjoy it! I fear it may be too long...

[@eguitarstar]

Ahhh, it's wonderful to watch you fine gentlemen talk about photography and gear.

[@cameralabs]

Thanks! Should we make them shorter?

[@eguitarstar]

@@cameralabs No, I prefer these long, in-depth and detailed analysis of cameras rather than a general consumer overview. Since these Cafe videos are once a month, I do look forward to getting a summary of what has gone on and I watch/listen as I would TV or radio. I really do appreciate what you and Doug do and have purchased your In Camera book due to your videos and will continue to buy you both a coffee where I can

[@cameralabs]

@@eguitarstar thanks!

[@markrowley6847]

Shahan Chowdhury I agree. The one hour format is just right; it doesn't feel rushed, and is conversational in tone.

[@dkaye23]

Shahan and Mark, thanks for the feedback.

[@MichaelWTurner]

Nice show. Really like that you can livestream from the Gx7 III, but don't like the lack of 24fps. They may change that with a firmware update though.

[@cameralabs]

Thanks, glad you enjoyed the show!

[@frankluo230]

Tamron 17-28 is going to fail like sigma 20-35F2. People either need wider than 17mm ultra wide or longer than 28mm for a normal fov. The sigma was very good optically and reasonably priced, however the use case is still too niche to grasp a sizeable market share.

[@cameralabs]

I think the fact you can buy it and the matching longer zoom for the same as the Sony f2.8 ultra wide alone will make it very popular.

[@frankluo230]

@@cameralabs interested to see a comparison to Nikon 14-30F4.

[@cameralabs]

@@frankluo230 The guy who tests them for me has also tested the 14-30, so you can compare their results at cameralabs.com

[@frankluo230]

@@cameralabs thanks! Very detailed information, and Tamron 15-30 f2.8 VC seems to be quite a reference ultra wide lens.

[@JosephFerricags]

Great video, thank you. I even enjoyed the guest appearance of the seagull. I shoot Sony. I have a front dial that is not calibrated that I can allocate it to alot of different things. I have a rear dial that is not calibrated that I can allocate to alot of different things. I have Custom Bittoms that I can allocate to many different things. Then I have an Exposure Compensation dial that is calibrated and is also dedicated to exposure compensation. I shoot 99% manual, so I have a large dial taking-up a lot of top-plate collateral and I never use it. Why can't this be customisable so if people want to to be exposure compensation they can set it as such. And, for those of us who don't, we can set it to ISO or White Balance.

[@scb2scb2]

Sometimes i forget how lucky we are in our country (netherlands) my wifi (from phone) just tested to 486Mbps (fiber), And my (semi bad) 4g from inside the home is 28Mpbs up :)

[@cameralabs]

I have internet envy!

[@scb2scb2]

@@cameralabs You are always welcome to visit and share a coffee or beer and use my wifi or 4g :) But i agree when i see 500+ up on uploads at times i go wow. At times i just dump 4k video files directly to google drive or youtube (private) to let it encodes and files sometimes are 30+ gig's don't even think about it anymore.

[@LEXPIX]

A 20mm on the wide end would be awesome! 20-100mm would be the sweet spot for a dream pockeatable vlogging camera.

[@ive595]

Great work guys, I struggle with the price of these especially the Sony, although it is a stunning little camera.

[@dkaye23]

Yes, I'm surprised (to a point) that the RX100 VII can still demand US$1,200, but I think that's because it's probably the best-in-category. It might sell for US$999 in a more competitive environment.

[@BikeTall]

I think vloggers all over the world were excited that Canon & Sony finally added an external mic jack to their G7x & RX100 cameras. But then were disappointed with the horrible focus of the Canon & the f2.8 lens & lack of an ND filter of the Sony. Hopefully both Canon & Sony will listen to their customers again and add these features in the next update. I know they want people to pay up for their mirrorless FF cameras...but continuing to cripple their high end point & shoot cameras only upset their loyal bases who are looking for the perfect travel vlogging camera.

[@kentxx12]

Always a good from you guys,More and just more of Cameralabs Cafe,and dont just do new ones cameras,what about your all classic fav old ones,that is still good today :)

[@cameralabs]

Thanks, and that's a great idea about doing a retro show!

[@d3xmeister]

Great show !

[@cameralabs]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@frankluo230]

Rx0 III, a9 heart video eye tracking, 24mm f4 fixed lens, 4k no Limit

[@frankluo230]

And enhanced 4k stabilisation please

[@circuitsandcigars1278]

I'm getting the Sony RX100 VII to keep my Sony RX100 V company

[@cameralabs]

The perfect combo!

[@DarkstarDarth]

I have always predicted, if a cell phone can be a camera, what can't a camera be a cell phone. Someday a Sim card slot for cameras and use your data plan to send images from anywhere in the world. You'll see😁✌️

[@cameralabs]

Actually they have tried that before with strangely little success. I think since everyone always has a phone with them anyway, it's wise to leave the connectivity to that and just try as much as possible to make the link to the camera as easy as possible - Bluetooth is really helping with that, I'd say we're almost there.

[@2Old4Toys]

Yay Doug!

[@johnsmalldridge6356]

Where’s your beanie Gordon? Nice to see you again Doug.

[@dkaye23]

Thanks, John. Good to be back!

[@cameralabs]

Did you hear the part where I said it was the hottest day of the year?!

[@johnsmalldridge6356]

Sorry Gordon. I guess I was more interested in your thoughts on cameras and can’t remember many times you didn’t have a beanie.

[@cameralabs]

@@johnsmalldridge6356 ha ha! I'm very happy that you were listening to the content!

[@workfasts]

I see some review canon g7iii is horrible?

[@KeepingThisTech]

Don’t let people AirPod shame you.. It’s 2019! 👍 on the new branding too!

[@mavfan1]

Keeping This Tech no one should AirPod shame anyone. People should feel great shame for wearing them without anyone having to tell them! 😜. BTW I’m all Apple except I think the Apple Watch and AirPods are two of their ugliest designs ever.

[@dkaye23]

The controversy shall continue!

[@SylvainDuford]

I much prefer 24-70 with a faster aperture.

[@cameralabs]

Me too for vlogging, especially with the ND filter for video work...

[@derekderekderek2]

If Sony has smart people working there, then they'd release a 20-50mm. Would be great for vlogging, landscapes, etc. Super wide angle is a big selling feature of smartphone cameras now.

[@cameralabs]

@@derekderekderek2 yes that would be great - a bit like Nikon's unreleased 18-50

[@pablo9364]

Good video

[@cameralabs]

Thanks!

[@andrewbristoe1833]

Feel the rx 100 v close to the indoor compact camera and bright outside light camera Nd and vid specs focus even with the releases still stands tall the colours picture and vid transfer compared to canon and pan stupid record button no touchscreen the downsides breakthrough camera still is

[@andrewbristoe1833]

sony need to drop their prices over 1200 is v niche sales volume better than price gouging aka apple why even with their great cameras sales down especially lens prices most people wont give a g a grand ect

[@cameralabs]

I agree it is expensive, but if they remove features to reach a lower price, they end up competing with phones. They are also managing to sell plenty of these even at 1200.

[@rep10101]

Nothing wrong with AirPods

[@mavfan1]

But We except for the way that they look. 😜

[@80-80.]

Not if you like shiny white plastic.

[@teridzard1776]

I can garantie that the iPhone camera in my pocket didn't get any better in the last 5 years, so no need to get so much better for my pocket cameras. I don't understand why a mic input should be such a great feature. How many people will use that feature? 2% of the buyers maybe? For me now the G5xII has turned into the much more interesting camera than the G7xIII.

[@cameralabs]

If you film video or vlog, the mic input is very important. That's a large market for these cameras.