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@BillLambert4 ай бұрын
There is no excuse for not having 8x 2.5gbe ports at this price point. This is way out to lunch.
@_jabe3 ай бұрын
Cisco has 20k$ Gateways with Gigabit.
@UKsystems2 ай бұрын
Many people do not use the built-in switch because it only has a gigabit link to the 10g ports I have only seen two set ups where they do use the built-in switch in reality. It is not used that much spending the money to put 2.5 and would only be worth it for the smallest market of the product
@Yiep_2 ай бұрын
@@_jabe lmao
@zk4au2 ай бұрын
Companies who will use this already will have "dedicated" switches, honestly WAY overkill for a small business or home environment. Look at who your audience is for these devices and that should tell you the reason.
@akui88Ай бұрын
you gotta wait for the PRO MAX SE to come out!
@marksapollo4 ай бұрын
Not only have they named it after an iPhone, they’ve had review embargoes like it too 😂 my stream suddenly having three reviews of this in it, but I’ll watch yours first Cameron.
@Felix-ve9hs4 ай бұрын
Ubiquiti is basically run by former Apple engineers, so ...
@marksapollo4 ай бұрын
@@Felix-ve9hs Yeah I know but it's still funny how they are copying Apple in some ways.
@willcobbett4 ай бұрын
Great video as always Cameron 👍 Probably a dreamer but I was hoping for an improvement over the 1GbE switch, even to 2.5GbE would've been a nice step up for us home users (with PoE too). Also seeing more devices supporting 2.5GbE lately, even my monitor (with integrated hub) supports it!
@UKsystems2 ай бұрын
I don’t think it would make that much sense because how you would have to get a POE switch to run cameras and access points so this is clearly not an all in one device anymore
@user-nw8jd1xy9q2 ай бұрын
What is the point of 2.5, just consumer marketing.
@UKsystems2 ай бұрын
@@user-nw8jd1xy9q especially in cases of future proofing, it’s needed but it’s good for the additional bandwidth if you’re transferring lots of files
@battle794 ай бұрын
I'm so confused, They removed the POE because it's designed for larger setup. But added a extra drive? In a larger setup you will have a separate NVR, either Unifi or more likely whatever vendor is specified by the customer. Also if the switch had a larger pipe to CPU and POE I could see it as a useful NVR replacement/all in one box. As it is, It's a 10Gb SFP router for larger environments, with a NVR and switch for a small environment strapped to it. Love your videos in general, but this device is not useful to me.
@UKsystems2 ай бұрын
The built-in NVR is good enough for many situations as a lot of places you would have a couple of cameras on the outside of the building
@CasualRaz4 ай бұрын
Any chance of some inter-vlan performance testing? I believe the UDM-Pro didn't get anywhere near 10gbps for layer 3 routing between two different vlans, would be interesting to see how much uplift we get for the clock speed increase on the CPU
@rickwookie4 ай бұрын
Nice one Cameron. And you only called the UDM-SE the “UDM Pro SE” ten times. 😂
@HPad24 ай бұрын
Now if they can just fix the software... Traffic stats being the main one. In the almost 3 years I've had my UDM Pro they've never been correct. Upload stats are generally almost correct. Example, download can maintain a 1.2gbps download speed. UDM Pro reports no more than around 100mbps or so. Tired of having to have an OPNsense box as a bridge between my modem and UDM Pro just to see traffic stats. Otherwise the hardware itself is great!! Just wish it was all 2.5G ethernet ports though.
@nelizmastr4 ай бұрын
Quite a bit more expensive than both the UDM Pro and SE. Doesn't make sense to not have PoE at that price point imo. It's just an upgraded SE with some cost cutting.
@tomasmatejka14433 ай бұрын
why PoE on UDM ?? I don't understand.. you should connect PoE switch. does really router and firewall must to have PoE ?? please explain me my confusing...
@UKsystems2 ай бұрын
Well, an enterprise situation you’re going to need a switch as well so why waste the money on adding it to this?
@mm-relaxemusic3864Ай бұрын
Nice video. Thanks. I wonder if the fan/fans are loud for an office environment. Thanks
@mk5004 ай бұрын
Say your ISP gives you 2gbit bandwidth with that new WAN port. You can’t actually access more than 1gbit of that using the built in 1gbit switch since the uplink is a single 1gbit to CPU. So you MUST buy a second switch. Can you see why this is in fact bad? It’s not “absolutely fine”. Or maybe you put a file server on the 10gbit SFP port. Same issue.
@camerongray15154 ай бұрын
Don't get me wrong, a higher speed uplink from the internal switch or 2.5gbit LAN ports would be nice, but I imagine that this was all considered by Ubiquiti when designing the product but was deemed not to be worth the additional cost based on the target market. Realistically this device is aimed more towards large scale networks that are going to need significantly more than 8 ports. While 2.5gbit LAN ports would be nice for sure, I imagine the subset of customers who have multi-gig WAN connections but don't have a requirement for additional switches is somewhat small. Of course there's also the option of having the integrated gigabit switch uplinked to the CPU at a higher speed while maintaining the gigabit downstream ports, but then you're still only really targeting people who have a multi-gig connection and are happy with only being able to get a maximum of 1gbps on each individual device. Also, with the way that these are architected internally, you wouldn't really want to have a file server on one of the SFP+ ports and then your clients on the internal switch ports as all of that traffic then needs to be forwarded by the CPU which isn't ideal irrespective of the speed of the link between the switch chip and the CPU. Of course the CPU is no slouch but in that sort of setup you really should be using a dedicated switch so that all of the traffic is being handled by a switch ASIC. My comments around it being "absolutely fine" was more in reference to when the UDMs first came out and there was a complete mess of people misunderstanding the architecture and incorrectly referring to the integrated switch as having "1 gigabit of switching capacity" and then essentially saying that it should never be used. I was basically meaning that the integrated ports are "absolutely fine to use" as long as you're aware that it's uplinked to the CPU at gigabit.
@UKsystems2 ай бұрын
These devices are not designed to operate just by themselves are meant to be part of a bigger ecosystem and the expensive price tag is because you’re going to be spending a lot anyway
@CodyOebel-yc1so2 ай бұрын
I have 10gb dobson fiber :) just bought this switch , upgraded my PC's lan cards to 10gb lan cards, and it's insane fast, but what sucks is most online speedtest websites cannot feed me the full 10gb, if I use my dobson fiber internets speed test I get the speeds ... so even with full 10gb most speedtest online websites will still max you out around 2.5gb up / down you will need to use your ISP local test server to get a true test speed. But, when you got 8 people in the house streamking 4k content and your gaming ... setting up multiple VLAN's on my cisco 9300 switch has allowed all the traffic to stay segregated and run fast. I trunk my VLANS through 10gb SFP ports to this UDM pro max and everything is smoothe sailing with online connectivity.
@VjSky4 ай бұрын
The industry has solved lockable power plugs decades ago, but Ubiquiti had to go and make a proprietary cable. That kind of Apple like thinking is something holding me back from using them for anything but APs
@UKsystems2 ай бұрын
I can buy these locking power cables anywhere I believe it’s just a different type
@alonzosmith61894 ай бұрын
Nice, I dropped Unifi several years for Ruijie Reyee networks. Now with new Unifi gear, I may give them a second look.
@sunnydavies39903 ай бұрын
Would love to see some videos on peplink devices, very few units have features like bonding and that level of multi wan connections Great video as always Cameron!
@OwBrown4 ай бұрын
I’m looking forward the G5 PTZ
@Leebobs19834 ай бұрын
0:52 Seconds in.... this is exactly what I have been waiting for to replace my home networking infrastructure!
@seandean82934 ай бұрын
Openreach has launched 1.8 Gbps on premises with full fibre I think EE are the only ones offering the speed of 1.6 Gbps. But the Openreach ONT has a 2.5 Gbps rj45 port. So when you get upgraded to full fibre/fibre to the home if you haven’t already you should be able to take advantage of the 2.5Gbps WAN port on the UDM pro max.
@conorsvideos4 ай бұрын
Timely video... thinking about what networking options I have for my new place.
@dbcooper73264 ай бұрын
I will be stickling with my UDM PRO SE. No reason to upgrade fro home users IMHO.
@likilike5014 ай бұрын
Now we need "UniFi Dream Machine Pro Max Ultra".
@theglowcloud22154 ай бұрын
and the Unifi Dream Machine Studio
@tramcrazy4 ай бұрын
Will you be installing this in a friend’s network or something Cameron? It’d be great to see another install video
@camerongray15154 ай бұрын
I'll probably end up hanging onto these for the foreseeable so that I can use them to test other UniFi features/products (I have a second for testing high availability, video coming soon.) However, on the install front, can't say too much right now since stuff is still very much up in the air but if all goes to plan there should be an absolute tonne of install content coming up over the summer!
@andrebunting22224 ай бұрын
hmm.. interesting.. but question how many cameras can it support with those two drives ? For example if i use two 10tb drives in raid 1?
@camerongray15154 ай бұрын
UniFi have a capacity calculator here: ui.com/cloud-gateways/resource-calculator. It only shows the regular UDM Pro/SE for now so the Pro Max would either be the same or slightly higher when it comes to camera capacity. In terms of storage, larger drives won't let you run more cameras - they'll just give you longer recording times. If you're needing serious camera capacity then you'd probably still need to go for a dedicated NVR, but a UDM should be more than enough for an average home/small business camera setup.
@NorthernMonkeeUK4 ай бұрын
Interesting they sent you a pre-release review unit considering you've published videos clearly stating you've ditched unifi gear.
@camerongray15154 ай бұрын
If anything it's a good sign where they'll continue to work with channels that don't exclusively fanboy over their gear. I still really like UniFi stuff and regularly recommend and install it, I just wanted to try something different for home to ensure I was being balanced and trying out other options on the market rather than focussing almost exclusively on UniFi like a lot of other channels do.
@JBR.19743 ай бұрын
sadly most UK devices seem to come with EU plugs....my UDM SE certainly did
@UKsystems2 ай бұрын
You need to buy it from a reseller that is in the UK otherwise they will ship it from Europe to a re-shipping warehouse
@cyphre4 ай бұрын
Aw man, was hoping it also had PoE. Neat feature to have another hard drive, but only RAID 1 is kinda boring.
@UKsystems2 ай бұрын
It doesn’t make sense to have Poe because if you want a higher reliability for security cameras, it would make sense to get a switch and have a spare one so it can be swapped out very quickly if there’s ever a fault
@andrewenglish38104 ай бұрын
The UDM Pro Max is a great upgrade home lab router/firewall, nothing more.
@UKsystems2 ай бұрын
Have usage in smaller businesses where they want a couple of cameras routing and firewall and several network drops around the building because it’s very easy to set up so they don’t need to hire an expert
@TheChevvy4 ай бұрын
Has the pppoe been fixed with the higher cpu clock speed?
@davidpower31023 ай бұрын
What is this issue?
@rong388517 күн бұрын
I have the pro max now and the pppoe throughput max out 1.7 Gbps, only slightly better than SE.
@dorofteiionutz39524 ай бұрын
Afther ugreen nas, now it is udmpro max. What that says ? Same review on 5 diffrent chanels.
@kbhasi4 ай бұрын
They reached out to KZbin users to offer them to review, but associated a press embargo with them. Many tech KZbinrs would then upload their videos as private videos and schedule them for the 'on embargo until…' date instead of applying a time offset.
@tfacter3 ай бұрын
What no Etherlighting... Why is it a Max then :\ Naming Conventions
@UKsystems2 ай бұрын
You quite simply cannot buy the special ports in the configuration here
@RexinOridle4 ай бұрын
All they had to do is get rid of HDD al together and change the CPU for a 8 core.
@camerongray15154 ай бұрын
Not sure what removing the HDD bays would do? They're required if you want to use it as an NVR with UniFi Protect.
@RexinOridle4 ай бұрын
@@camerongray1515 Removed the POE because it's professional grade hardware, where there will be dedicated POE switch. Well, in a professional environment, there will be a dedicated NVR anyway then. So why not offset the cost and upgrade the CPU. Overclocking a CPU doesn't really bring much to the table.
@UKsystems2 ай бұрын
@@RexinOridle not always there are many situations where you would only have two or three cameras
@jorgemtdsАй бұрын
There is no such thing as a UDM PRO SE. Either you have the UDM PRO or the UDM SE... and now the new UDM PRO MAX. You only have those 3 options in terms of "Large Scale" devices.
@Bawlk3 ай бұрын
Turns out it's actually the same CPU 🙄
@UKsystems2 ай бұрын
Most of the things people want are not an out operated CPU
@sideways14a4 ай бұрын
Does not seem to be a worth while upgrade over the PRO or SE tbh, no poe (again) and only 5Gb/s on the IDS/IPS so not worth it for someone daft enough to have 10big ones coming into that wan SFP. The PRO and SE are happy with what most of us can get from out FTTP suppliers (1Gb's in the UK maybe going up slightly in the near future), inter Vlan speeds would be interesting though. Cant say the doubling of the hard drives is a big "win" for the money either. Seems like half a step forward - now if it could do 10Gb/s with the toys on.....
@monochrome52974 ай бұрын
Their next version is pro max ++ with 4 ssd , this is just sad man , 1 extra hdd , that toon alot of years to add it to the unused space, other than that 1000 more clients ? Its a sad upgrade that dont deserve the “ max” title
@lazerusmfh4 ай бұрын
Reviews like this shows me I made the correct decision to ditch ubiquiti over a decade ago
@UKsystems2 ай бұрын
They have two main product lines there edge range is perfectly ok
@bluesquadron5934 ай бұрын
Smaller channels got "only" one? 😊
@camerongray15154 ай бұрын
I have another and will be releasing a dedicated video on Automatic Shadow Mode shortly 😉. I was just very tight for time over the weekend so had to keep this one short!
@bluesquadron5934 ай бұрын
@@camerongray1515 cool!
@DangerousPictures4 ай бұрын
too bad it doesn't do poe
@barhomt3 ай бұрын
Give us one with 2.5gb PoE come on
@UKsystems2 ай бұрын
That’s completely pointless as the uplink from the switch is only gigabit and you would likely want to do some special high availability switching for a proper network which this couldn’t support so it doesn’t seem worth it to add it on
@barhomt2 ай бұрын
so fix the uplink also?
@UKsystems2 ай бұрын
@@barhomt that’s likely going to result in a much higher cost as they will have to design their own chips which will cost them millions which will be passed onto the end user at more cost than using a separate switch as well
@18Blackmamba184 ай бұрын
I wonder who is going to buy this without POE but 2 drive bays, makes no sense...
@camerongray15154 ай бұрын
Deployments of any reasonable size will have dedicated switches which will also handle PoE whereas the dual drive bays would be useful for environments where they want to run Protect on the UDM but also want RAID. The PoE on the SE is great but only really a selling point for small environments where 8 PoE ports is enough, this is targeting much larger deployments.
@UKsystems2 ай бұрын
Presuming using two for high availability you wouldn’t use the ports anyway
@erazorCTF4 ай бұрын
Also, there is no UDM Pro SE in existence, what the f. are you referring to?
@camerongray15154 ай бұрын
I meant the UDM SE, didn't realise it didn't have "Pro" in the name, hardly the mistake of the century!
@erazorCTF4 ай бұрын
@@camerongray1515 Yep, hardly the mistake of the century, but a mistake nonetheless. Thanks for clarifying.
@camerongray15154 ай бұрын
Everybody makes mistakes...
@travisash81804 ай бұрын
@@camerongray1515 Yes you do, but you still get paid.
@travisash81804 ай бұрын
@@camerongray1515 Yes you do.
@tomasmatejka14433 ай бұрын
advice to future - a little bit slower talking please
@UKsystems2 ай бұрын
This issue is redundant since you can change the speed of video playback
@erazorCTF4 ай бұрын
Please talk a bit faster, I actually can still understand some sentences.
@rickwookie4 ай бұрын
I literally watch Cameron’s videos primarily for the speed he talks. I can’t stand KZbinrs who drag out every sentence to make their videos longer. I usually end up watching those on 2x playback speed.
@erazorCTF4 ай бұрын
@@rickwookie Well ok, you do you. My simple problem is that the content is pretty great. I usually have no problem at all watching series or movies in English as a non-native, but these videos here give me a really hard time. And please don't tell me I do not have to watch them. For the content I want to watch them, but it is really exhausting, I have to backtrack multiple times in every video and re-listen.
@rickwookie4 ай бұрын
@@erazorCTFChange the playback speed to slower? Use the subtitle feature? Both?
@travisash81804 ай бұрын
@@rickwookie I think that Cameroon should speak slower,
@UKsystems2 ай бұрын
@@travisash8180 you can change KZbin settings so no matter what video was playing the talking speed is automatically adjusted
@TheChevvy4 ай бұрын
Please could you test the through put from your isp ? This would give us unlucky people using fttp via pppoe a better idea. ATM an aging cheap draytek can out perform a udm pro.
@UKsystems2 ай бұрын
The best way to do that it’s too get a router that has gpon for the fiber