CAMMUS 15Nm DD [REVIEW] $499 for 15Nm is impressive! BUT YOU MUST WATCH BEFORE BUYING!

[@SimRacingCorner]

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[@yz249]

Very nice to see a reviewer that actually goes into detail and is informative instead of making bland reviews for everything to maximise affiliate purchases.

[@NikkenMagboy]

This is how a wheelbase review should be done. Bravo sir. Subscribed.

[@SimRacingCorner]

Welcome aboard!

[@antoshechka]

Thanks for your honest opinion and comparison with CSL DD and Moza r9. I ordered r9 and then saw this 15Nm Cammus but your review puts everything in place. Great job!☺

[@SimRacingCorner]

Thanks! The R9 is awesome, you'll good time with it.

[@deanothemanc5281]

Good honest review, well done. To many reviewers are biased in their videos, understandable given many are sponsored. Still it's refreshing to see an honest opinion.

[@flightis3dollars]

Great his reviews are. :) I'm thinking of replacing my AccuForce with a all-in-one system and I'm hoping Asetek's offering will bring much to the table.

[@SimRacingCorner]

LOL. I see what you did there.

[@bullit199]

Very fair review. The software is the weak link for the road details. Shipping can be cheaper if you locate the distributor in your country. I have the full GT1 package (base, wheel, 3 pedals). I did sea shipping for under $1k USD. Best bang for the buck. I was coming from a Thrustmaster TMX Pro and this is amazing in comparison.

[@oktc68]

The whole point (for me) of direct drive is the fine details which are lost in belt drive units. Power isn't really that important to me, I only weigh 50 kgs.Informative video thanks.

[@kevin_m]

Great commentary on your experience with that base, with all the plus minus points. 👍

[@spudzersb8130]

That was a thorough job, excellent review. Off topic but I would love to see a review on your Leo Bodnar , how does it hold up vs today's equipment etc. Anyway keep on keeping on , great channel.

[@SimRacingCorner]

Thanks. And yeah, I'm planning review the Leo Bodnar. Now that I've reviewed a bunch of DD's I have baseline to compare it against.

[@hamzterix]

Forget about the wheel, what a nice graphic setting you have there. One of the best lighting setup, if not the best. And I follow other fellow SimRacers. I was hoping you left your PC specs in the description.

[@TheJ11nior]

Nice video, very informative, did you try this wheel recently ? are any improvements on drives/firmware about the damping effect over the year that this review was made? I live in Brazil, here most import product have a dollar to BRL conversion from 1 to 10 (officially is 1 to 5, but after taxs is most close to 1 to 10), and I recently came upon a Store that are selling Cammus products for a fair price, the 5nm is around 3k BRL, the 8nm around 3.5k and finally this 15nm for 5.5k (the last two only the base), for comparison the Mozza R5 is 4k and Fanatec 5nm is 6k, only base and since these twos are using proprietary quick release they become a lot more expensive. I'm really interested to buy the Cammus 8nm, because they seem very consumer friendly, I cant use any standard 70mm bolt pattern steering wheel or quick release and thats huge for saving money, I hope they improving on all the points you made during this review.

[@MayronMagerl]

quero saber tbm

[@scanx6163]

Could you make a new test compared with the 1.7.1 firmware which improves details please?

[@jamalghandour8650]

What an amazing review!! It covers all aspects significantly. Yes there is some things that you should've mentioned, like your resonating problem that you faced. But all in all it's a great review 👌 putting everything where it should be.

[@SimRacingCorner]

I worked out the resonating, it was the road effect FFB in AC that I was able to turn off, and it's fine after that. It wasn't fair to bring that up, as it's a game thing. I also found I could create the problem with my Leo Bodnar. So can't blame the Cammus on that. Though still curious that the Moza and CSL DD don't suffer from this.

[@00Clive00]

@@SimRacingCorner It may be useful, only to mention quirks that aren't the hardwares problem, if only to share your experiences and so we don't fall into the same trap. Great review all round 👍

[@abuelb]

​@@00Clive00 yes. most flaws are due to improper in game settings. this is true for most wheelbase. Ingame settings is 50% of the equation for proper calibration.

[@romanr.b.7821]

So to summ up : if you are tight on a budget and power criteria is top feature for you - go for it. Very good entry point in serious DD.

[@SimRacingCorner]

That summary sounds like you didn't watch this review at all

[@romanr.b.7821]

@@SimRacingCorner haha really? OK anyway I liked you video and wantee to leave a comment, people say it helps the authors 😉 i think about moza r9 as my first device.

[@burger1113]

Always good to see competition for the big companies that are happy selling decade old designs... Hopefully they can refine it more next go

[@mementos24]

Great review, this base is flawed and just seems like a cheaply made unit that is not worth it. Switched from a CSL DD to a SC2 Pro and it such a joy to drive, you get the required force while keeping the details. Your Leo Bodnar is probably pretty similar... such a nice industrial unit !

[@abuelb]

You could say the same with fanatec. They got tons of issues, hardware, firmware and support/help dept.

[@jonferraez]

Wow $205 USD shipping fee from Cammus direct to California, United States. That is pretty crazy. The heat spreader part that was loose is concerning as to why they don't affix it properly, it makes me think that they are cutting corners in manufacturing and assembly.

[@bullit199]

There is a US distributor: Douglas Thompson (he’s on KZbin)

[@abuelb]

shipping comes down to $105 after 5% discount for the total purchase of 3 in 1 package. Regular shipping to Virginia is $150.

[@tuobahc]

The lack of details in FFB is most likely a software and programming issue, not a hardware issue... Considering how Cammus has been adressing all previews issues I'd not be suprised to see an improvement of the FFB details eventually. It makes me rather looking into the Cammus than the R9 or CSL DD..

[@SimRacingCorner]

I reviewed it on the facts of the product in front me. You're free to ignore my findings and base your decision on whatever assumption you believe.

[@tuobahc]

@@SimRacingCorner I do not mean to undermine your findings, I don't think I've heard you say it was a hardware issue nor a software issue, I was just adressing that lack of perspective but maybe I missed the part in the video where you mention that in that case my apologies

[@SimRacingCorner]

You're not undermining anything, you can do as you please. I'm simply pointing out that your logic is an assumption. It's your choice if you think that's wise. Note, I reviewed the latest revision of the hardware, and the product had already been on the market for over a year before I received my unit and published my review.

[@路人甲-g9s]

You are right. I had this 15nm set with pedals and gt1 wheel at less than 700usd. They worked very well and they are solid

[@Justlookitupplease]

Seems like at the time of this video, they didn't have the fine ffb details sorted out. One software update away from being an absolute steal.

[@mkatakm]

Now at $499 the Moza R12 should be a much better choice. Especially after the FFB 3.0 update. Perhaps they made Cammus 15nm better too in a year, I don't know anything about that.

[@jean-pierresarti7069]

Those brightly-colored buttons are perfect for "arcade racer" games.

[@abuelb]

paint it black with nail polish and add labels on the side, perfect for serious sim racers.😁

[@Gurzo82]

amazing review ...well done!

[@SimRacingCorner]

Cheers!

[@Gurzo82]

@@SimRacingCorner i have a csl dd and i was thinking to sell it and buy this one... changed my mind.. 😉

[@curleex3838]

The finer detail is just software so they can do updates im guessing but my concern is the fire hazard this wheelbase poses and if u open it up then thats ya warranty voided. Prob best to avoid the Cammus as there are much better options available. imo ✌🏼

[@SimRacingCorner]

Since those mosfet videos, Cammus are allowing users to fix this without voiding the warranty.

[@donaldprince7853]

Yeah that's nice to know, but the consumer should not be forced to fix it. Should never ever be shipped with such janky, workmanship.

[@curleex3838]

@@donaldprince7853 not to mention the fire risk from one of these! I wouldn't pay nearly a £1000 quid for an item that ISNT no where near finished AND broken

[@Sithhy]

What "fire hazard" does it pose? A mosfet or chip will go up in smoke if it overheats but that's about it

[@abuelb]

csl dd 8Nm is a real fire hazard. that motor gets really hot to the touch close to burning your hand. it would eventually fry all those electronics inside close to the casing if left running for along time. 💆

[@piereligio_ds]

Were the fine details improved with some updates, since this review?

[@SimRacingCorner]

I haven't retested the Cammus since the review (but I do plan to at some point). But a couple of things. I had my unit 1 year after launch so it had plenty of time for the drivers to be updated. Drivers can't change any limitations of a motor, which I what I believe is the cause of the poor detail.

[@piereligio_ds]

@@SimRacingCorner there are people who think it might be software because on some games it has sharper detail (like iracing). Also, I've seen a lot less complaints about it in recent reviews (only the ones that came out together with yours pointed that out), but no one that said explicitly if it was changed with an update

[@SimRacingCorner]

@@piereligio_ds In this review, I describe the FFB from several games. FFB detail/quality output varies from game to game, regardless of the wheelbase. That's just a fact, some are better than others. It's why I test across several games in my reviews, and not a single title. Some reviewers don't. And be aware some reviewers don't have the experience of reviewing as many wheelbases that I have. When I get a chance, I will revisit the Cammus and I will run out a video. Maybe I'll be surprised, but my expectation is, that the result will be the same as before.

[@piereligio_ds]

@@SimRacingCorner the fact is that if in a sim you can feel the road texture and in some others you feel it less, you can always in theory apply post processing to boost the high frequency FFB signals. In some wheels it's even considered artificial feeling because of how much it's boosted. That's why many people thought it was more about software than hardware

[@SimRacingCorner]

@@piereligio_ds I don't think you fully understand FFB, or that every wheelbase does feel different, due to the physical and electrical properties of the hardware. Just so you understand where I'm coming from. I've now tested and reviewed coming up to 20 wheelbases. If you're convinced you know better, go for it. I've told you what I know, that's all I can do.

[@CalamityBaird]

I've read this thing overheats pretty consistently. But I've also heard the alpha mini is amazing and mine been nothing but a nightmare, so what do I know?

[@fups1]

What issues specifically have you had with the min?

[@gulfcoaster210]

What issues have u had with the mini…. I have an alpha u and it has been nothing short of incredible.

[@jahshjahsh2002]

u have the alpha mini?

[@abuelb]

CSL DD 8Nm gets hot to the touch, you can fry an egg on it. So much for heat sink. The internal electronics might be a problem down the road if too close to the enclosure. Fanatec has shady firmware and hardware including their support dept. Id take this cammus with a built in fan all day any day.

[@Gumo]

My alpha mini has been amazing. It's built like a tank and works great.

[@frankzappa2274]

Would you consider revisiting the software and added sliders via recent updates and give us insight into the quality Of ffb now a year later. Really curious to see if it has evolved like some direct drive software does. This is all assuming you still have the base DD and time

[@SimRacingCorner]

Yes, I do still have the wheelbase. And sure, I will revisit it at some point. It won't be for a while, as I have other projects I'm working on.

[@zoobi27]

I am thinking the same thing, how have software updates improved (or not) the feel of the FFB). Even if it's not as good as some competitors, for the bucks you pay i heard it's the best. Also, if you come for cheap belt driven wheel, I think it will still be night and day

[@frankzappa2274]

@@zoobi27 well I had the Cammus 15 for a couple weeks well until a couple of days ago actually. In my testing I absolutely loved it in ams2/AC was good/DirtRally2.0 was great and is now recognized in the sim automatically. Also works great in ATS and ETS. I only traded it in because I realized they also had vrs direct drives there. Still waiting for VRS. But I was just concerned with longevity of the Cammus due to some of the problems people were having. Yes they did address some issues. Now that I have the vrs, I'm hoping to never need to ever upgrade again as it has such a proven motor and decent refined electronics battery etc and simple good software. The Cammus was such a great deal and I did love it.

[@avgvstvs96]

yup, im ready for a gtdd and mclaren wheel till i can get the bmw gt3 wheel 🥰

[@ghoste7546]

Hi, may I ask is the FFB damping found in ACC resolved?

[@SimRacingCorner]

I haven't used the Cammus since this review, so I can't say for sure. I don't have high hopes, I got mine a year after it launched, so it wasn't exactly a new product by the time I received mine. I don't think it's a software issue, I think it's the result of the cheap motor they use.

[@glenc1973]

I know this is all subject to opinion and I respect the time you put in. I would say ACC is the best feeling FFB for the Cammus. It feels well waited with plenty of detail, so much so I am trying to replicate that FFB into other paltforms. RF2 feels very distant through the cammus, I do agree with your opinion of the wheel feeling different between games. But I have to say I get all the detail in ACC straight out of the box. I have been running 15nm but a 20 minute race is a full on work out. I plan to reduce that. Thanks for the tip on the heat pads I shall check mine today :)

[@griponreality9716]

I just bought the doyo keteng t88 direct drive wheel. Unfortunately there is no information or software download links. I can map it in game and it feels pretty good. But I feel like with proper tuning software I can get much more from it. Do you know of any wheel tuning software that will work for most or third party direct drive wheels?

[@SimRacingCorner]

There isn't any generic software that works like that, have you tried emailing them?

[@griponreality9716]

@Sim Racing Corner I did, but I haven't had any response. Their yt channel has them showing software, but no luck finding any links.

[@SimRacingCorner]

I thought there was some software that's supposed to come with it too. Was there no paper manual included?

[@griponreality9716]

@Sim Racing Corner nothing.. I ordered it from Amazon under the assumption I was getting a product from Doyo, what arrived was the Bangkok equivalent called the Keteng, it looks completely identical for the exception of the Chinese writing. No included manuals, safety info. or even a qr code.. it's really similar to the sim jack pedals, or ebay shifter meaning it's truly a diy build.

[@SimRacingCorner]

@@griponreality9716 Have you tried contacting DOYO directly, they have a website.

[@hayeduce]

Why are you using 100% inertia? you should only use an amount that reduces some of the oscillations, more than that will do exactly what you described, making rotation sluggish and making subtle details harder to feel. On top of that, i assume your omp wheel is not on the light side either, so the physical wheel has its inertia on the high side too.

[@SimRacingCorner]

It's a fair question. I tested the inertia setting from 0 and upwards. It made no difference to the wheel at all. I have a number of different wheelbases, so I'm fully aware of what that setting should have done, and seemingly does absolutely nothing here. Do you have a Cammus? I'm guessing not.

[@hayeduce]

@@SimRacingCorner no i dont, i was just curious, as u can imagine seeing that on 100% was very strange :D

[@SimRacingCorner]

Definitely, I get what you're saying, you made a good observation that was worth questioning.

[@bullit199]

Do you have a Forza Horizon 5 FFB guide? Only game I can’t get working with my Cammus so far.

[@SimRacingCorner]

I don't but Cammus does here, cammus.com/forza-horizon5-support/

[@tahzib1451]

i m worried bout the monthly electricity bills with these DD wheels....how much power consumption is required for these things?

[@leoalex2001]

Alot.. but normal wheels also use tons of power..

[@kyleprimeau5099]

So would you say the r9 is worth the extra money

[@SimRacingCorner]

Yes I would

[@Julien_F]

@@SimRacingCorner Hi, can i get ur advice i can get full bundle for 740$ ( include shipping ) ( base pedal + wheel ) i can get R9 for 700$ but still need a pedals. what choice u will do ? 740$ for cammus vs 1000$ the r9 still better ?

[@fanatnakovalen]

Details > torque If you want be competitive in simracing at least. For home use as a toy for single player games can be fine.

[@JoseFcoBN]

I prefer sensations before brute force, with my Moza r9 I already get what I like...

[@donaldprince7853]

My sentiments exactly. Waiting on shipping for my R9 now. Hope it's better than my 20 year old logitech gforce ex, from the PS2 days.

[@Sithhy]

Tell that to simracing aliens... They use a G29 & some of them even have their FFB set to 0 while turning out better lap times than most people with FFB enabled

[@jahshjahsh2002]

@@donaldprince7853 I mean no matter how bad the FFB is in older Logitech's, but can we all take a moment to stand up and show respect to a wheel that works for twenty years? In my 2-3 years of sim racing experience I've broken belts and burned motors of too many Fanatec and Thrustmaster products.

[@abuelb]

Details ain't crap. Balanced, dampened, fast turn-in, torqued wheel is the best.

[@pradadada6704]

Just get an R16 if you can afford it guys I love mine..

[@eliasali9383]

No iracing?

[@SimRacingCorner]

No

[@christophorus9235]

How would you compare it to an Accuforce? I need another wheel and Accuforce V2 pricing seems to have gone up significantly, I can get pedals with the Cammus for less.

[@SimRacingCorner]

I haven't tried an Accuforce. But if I take into consideration all the DD's I've used, I would expect the Accuforce is better than the Cammus.

[@abuelb]

ACC has plenty of strong details with this cammus wheel even at 50% base power and 60% in game ffb strength and 0 road effects. It vibrates my wheel, pedals and my rig. Its all about wheelbase and in game settings. My csl dd 8Nm and V3 pedals feel like a cheap toy compared to cammus.😂 Raceroom comes to life with this wheelbase. Insane engine vibration, road effects, and gear shift effects. Its like true force specific for this game on cammus.

[@SimRacingCorner]

It's good to hear that you're enjoying your Cammus.

[@SimStig]

No nonsense review!

[@traceysharpe6330]

$626.00 is what comes on when I click on the link.

[@abuelb]

$599 shipped with code SERIAL

[@lucky.youtube]

So at this price point what DD unit should I buy I can get cammus bundle delivered at $1000. I'm looking for pedals,wheel, and base.

[@SimRacingCorner]

$1000 does restrict your options if the pedals need to be including in the budget. The CSL DD or Moza R9 + Pedals will both be within your budget with change to spare. The Thrustmaster DD is going to be announced and probably launched later this month, so that's worth keeping an eye on. Though pricing and specs are unknown at this time.

[@lucky.youtube]

@@SimRacingCorner ok so I'm hearing to get the "base + wheel + pedals" wait to see where the Thrustmaster DirectDrive bundles land in terms of price. The only thing I'm concerned about is the "Australia Surcharge" we always seem to get bent over. I like the look of the moza mini.

[@SimRacingCorner]

I've reviewed both the Moza R5 and Moza R9. Both the very good for the money. I don't know how things work for you guys in Australia with prices.

[@tigerbalm666]

Company has no fukken clue how to sell this! I tried ordering it and nobody to order from...other than emailing sớm shady pérson and not knowing if it's a scam! WTF kind of business is this?

[@andreasotto1977]

Am I the only one who finds it rather strange, if not totally stupid, to put the power button in the middle of the extra buttons on the front? I'm a VR simmer, and I bet I would switch the base off involuntarily all the time.

[@SimRacingCorner]

True enough. I don't think they'd get much use while in motion anyway, as they are rather awkward to reach with the wheel in the way. But that's the least of its problems. 😂

[@pato17rio]

great review what a piece of junk