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[@mortalexo103]

Once again, I'm inspired to play some pvp. Once again, inspiration doesn't net kills.

[@MitchellTheMitch]

Use Ammit AR2 or Crimson

[@Scrappy0794]

I feel your pain man 😅😅

[@d_sideswipe4447]

Do for me

[@deltapb]

but eventually it will! keep at it :)

[@Thomas-hx3pr]

I try it and then I learn that for every farmer Cammy there’s six souls getting reaped.

[@GarbageYoutubeWatcher]

Can you make a updated settings video since your last one was 5 years ago? THAT WOULD BE AMAZING!

[@dylanlasky2389]

I first jumped to pc right when he made the old video and I used it as my first key bind set up.

[@JS-sp2pc]

This plz

[@Swup]

just watch his stream and type !settings

[@GarbageYoutubeWatcher]

alr@@Swup

[@lilwook2]

If u hip fire someone directly with sky burners oath, and then throw a weighted throwing knife at them, they will ignite and die, even tho there were no headshots. Might be a cool combo

[@0DeathTheKid15]

I used that Build in Comp for a few days. Its a fun loadout but not really something I would take in Trials. Most guns will kill you befor you can trow the knife even if you peek around cover. Plus the explosions are delayed. That gives a second to youre enemy to finish you off. Also what I noticed is that if you die befor the knife hits the enemy it will not trigger the explosion. But its a fun build for normal pvp.

[@tenacity25]

I'd value something with Arthrys paired with proccing scorch on targets from behind cover more, as the delay of the weighted knife throw gives them time to kill you mid-combo. Meanwhile, if you're able to scorch them from behind cover and ricochet the aimbot knife into them, yeah the knife will probably headshot anyways, but the ignition can hard punish an entire group of enemies just for being too close to eachother. For example, Incendiary nade + arthrys.

[@versionxxiv]

3:04 mind controlled

[@LennyLeLenny]

paid actor

[@Mr_Ruhl]

From what I've noticed, if you already have any special loaded when your meter fills it goes to reserves. Probably intentionally so you can proc things like kill clip.

[@xthecre8or735]

Was about to say, it’s hard to make an argument for holsters besides for hawkmoon anymore

[@skintxisu]

Was thinking about making a reddit post, thank you

[@nikeadidas9555]

Yeah I noticed that while using trace rifles, it wouldn’t load unless I died and then full reloaded when I really needed it to 10 seconds ago 😂

[@myonlyfriendtheend4958]

>two tapping thorn NO NOT AGAIN PLEASE I BEG YOU

[@jonahbrown5669]

At least it ain't 2 tap Last Word from across the map while ADS in year 1 D1 💀

[@nickgrout2502]

Is this our third or fourth Thorn/shotgun meta?

[@Julian-rt9qs]

i don't remember there ever being a legit Thorn meta in D2.@@nickgrout2502

[@lordpumpkinhead265]

@@nickgrout2502 I'd argue Thorn isn't even meta anymore. The setup you need is crazy.

[@pititful]

​@@nickgrout2502bro is legit saying the first thing that comes to his head. Have you played crucible in the last year???

[@StriderDSC]

"Sniper is just a big hand cannon."

[@yarukineez0]

Dude, your commentary is bar none. It's super helpful for learning to know why you're playing the way you are!

[@submau5]

a very educational video useful for both newer and veteran players, thanks for sharing the thought process during the matches, good games too! as a controller player i might try out the lightweight knife thanks to the crouching tip.

[@damiancooper8365]

As soon as they announced thorns caty I got on this build. Ive been using knucklehead since last season. And when thornes caty dropped you bet i was using only it. You dont need radiant either unless you want all resil covered. Just a surge and knucklehead. I use strand hunter and get 2 taps waaay to often

[@Manstrual]

If the limiting factor for two tapping is picking up the orb, then having 1 or 2 surges doesn't change the skill required to pull this off, rather just how much health you get from orbs or something like that. Seems like needing 2 surges but getting frostees or 6th coyote would allow you to have radiant more, giving more opportunities to get orbs and radiant in the first place. Seems cool it's at least possible but requires more effort now.

[@nagidoesstuff7211]

from what i can tell, you need knuckle head as that boosts the poison damage just enough to secure the two tap with the buffs active

[@Manstrual]

@@nagidoesstuff7211 yes, with only one surge that is true, but with 2 surges, knucklehead isn't needed. If you're going through the same steps with or without knucklehead, just with a different amount of surges equipped, any other exotic is available. I don't think forcing yourself to use knucklehead just to gain an extra leg mod slot is worth it, but it's a nice benefit if you were already using knucklehead or that's truly what you want to use. Frostees would be better for a build like this, and to make it work, all you need is a second surge.

[@nagidoesstuff7211]

@@Manstrual I mean form what I saw in the start of the vid, Cammy had 2 and knuckle

[@Manstrual]

​@@nagidoesstuff7211rewatch.

[@mr.-37-59]

This comment is irrelevant to the video; I just lost my mom yasterday, she passed away out of town while she was asleep, and we're waiting for paperworks to be done so we can get her remains and berry her. ... Thank you and thanks to a lot of other streamers who put on such an effort in making content that a lot of you content creators don't know how much it relieves stress and takes someone away from his struggles. Do not ever underestimate your work, because it reaches places that you don't even know it exists. ... I'm from the other half of the world (Kuwait), and I've been watching your content since D1. I'm almost 10 yrs older than you, and l'm kinda looks up to you in a way. THANK YOU Cammycakes, and sorry for the long speech... RESPECT 🎩

[@cammycakesgaming]

life happens. You still have the memories of good times. You still have the lessons learned to be a better version of yourself, like your mom would want you to be.

[@CampfirElena]

Hey Cam, do you think doing an eye tracking video would be interesting? I would like to see where your attention is.

[@jmfe10]

Ok but consider celestial fire with necrotics to proc radiant and soften the first target for thorn to get going. Plus Heat Rises for infinite melees

[@Isaiahtorres149]

5:30 literally a thorn in their side

[@Excaliber807]

“That’s how much I willed that kill into existence.” -Cammycakes

[@f8chromo136]

Great commentary Cammy. Thank you for the explanations. I liked the feel of Thorn. Will have to try this loadout before GGames ends.

[@giordanoservoli3817]

Try rain of fire + mythoclast…first kill…then swap to mykel reverence with harmony (and radiant cause the exotic perk of the booths)…it melts!

[@pirate_duck4985]

Literally just watched a couple videos saying pair Knucklehead with a Trace Rifle because it gives them like Mini Target-Lock, now I see this!? Thorn + Trace Rifle + Knucklehead = OP?

[@imbreaden]

Try it with coldheart, it’s insane

[@pirate_duck4985]

@@imbreaden I can already see that haha! Coldheart has like proto Target-Lock built in + the Knucklehead buff too! I'd imagine that's the sort of no time to react ttk 😄

[@Jusard]

You are the best at explaining things an what to look for. Very great content like always!

[@redsix5165]

1:56 great tip. Also works for my cryo build TY!!!

[@supertrumpetman1]

I like your videos because you take the time to teach. Pretty cool

[@Edski10]

Me who had been crutching on foetracer before the rework is boutta have fun

[@billynahar9861]

Cammy I don’t know if you’ll see this, but can you make a video on the Arc subclasses for Hunter, Titan and Warlocks, whilst fully speccing into the blinding aspects, fragments, grenades, exotics etc just to see if it is worth it?

[@V_Chaotic]

more thinking out loud type content like this would be epic

[@BallisticBullet9]

3:33 try binding emote to a combo bind with something like shatterdive or icarus dash. i use shatterdive + d-pad for emotes and just d-pad for weapon swap and interact

[@Brrrstrument]

why lightweight knife I asked myself, then rememebered, lower cooldown if miss, faster animation, still returns on kill

[@ahreuwu]

"thorn needed stepbro's help" 💀

[@thealldayspecial]

Cammy a little while ago you had your "loadouts going forward" video and you called out DMT with Grapple Melee+Necrotic Grip Warlock, and legit in a world where people are piled up and a lot of live weak targets happen clumped together, it's honestly not a bad idea especially with the poison spread kills. Also with Arcane Needles being infinitely stronger you can pester people midfight with a necrotic effect from afar. Good call.

[@ShadowNemesis575]

"Sniper's just a big hand cannon, never forget that" ok so what is DMT? A slightly bigger hand cannon? lol

[@Donkeykong-os2rx]

On my d pad I used 2 of my emotes to bind my heavy weapons and my finisher that said my class ability the right stick pressed down and everything will be press one no long press or double press is easy you don’t need all 4 emotes.

[@brandonspeed]

Makes me wanna play pvp, but i haven't tried Crucible on pc yet

[@vari2d347]

I would be interested in testing these creative builds in competitive settings if the KZbinrs that proposed them didn't play connection based modes like Supremacy to test them.

[@redsix5165]

The only minor problem with this build is that heavy handed doesnt tend to proc cause the poison kills not the knife

[@mythe6669]

I'm still always running a loader mod. I'm not sure why it happens but it's quite annoying when you had an ammo transmat but it did not go into the mag for some reason.

[@bigshid7097]

how’d you make the radar black like that? i must know

[@kyliv8531]

what shotgun are u using?

[@lukecreepus6580]

Does this thorn setup work with explosive knives? I’ve been thinking about a way to deal with this shoulder to shoulder team shooting, and caliban’s is pretty funny

[@xtassy1961]

Do you think the Iron Shotgun is better then the Inquisitor?

[@sterlingjones8834]

For the love of all things good sprayquza supremacy

[@levingstonlewis5270]

3:16 no stop it!

[@deadviking2494]

so um what is up with his radar why is it black?

[@hihihi19893]

im sure i could find it if i look hard enough but how do you get armor charges consistently in pvp? especially with something like this build

[@redsix5165]

Alright alright alright. This is my kind of loadout

[@coreycomeau2482]

Does picking up the thorn special orb give you the kinetic boost to 2 tap with 2 surge mods while radiant?

[@mattmorrow6915]

Man, you're very technical

[@jazz7630]

Good old D1 vibes Just missing a shotgun that can kill you from really far away (and a rocket launcher with tripod) and my loadout from D1 is complete

[@ghosthouse6672]

Can you two head one body with igneous and knuckle?

[@AtlasFalls]

Thorn is king

[@cjlsniper]

how do you get your radar to be so dark and prominent

[@Agentw0w]

It’s in settings, I think maybe something like display or gameplay then it says radar opacity then set it to dark

[@viktormustapic]

More live commentaries like this

[@nickgrout2502]

Does this work with proximity knife? Or just lightweight?

[@xthecre8or735]

True vanguard was on to something

[@koiboi1676]

Cammy too op

[@jakobpica]

Good hello cam and friends. Apologies for my tardiness.

[@NoName-xv5nn]

cammy, you already have an emote bound to controller! It’s the crouch button 👍

[@ned9542]

Man they should definitely buff necrotics in pvp

[@Xivuarath-p4o]

is there any people that make vids like cammy that ARENT controller players ?

[@Z00000M]

For sure 99% of the time you will miss your knife especially on mid to long range duels.

[@R.S.O.]

Currently, there are too many on my radar.....zero pings on radar......

[@johnh5909]

How’s the slug kill @4:10

[@CarriesOnTop]

12:47 Can't be missing those on a controller 😂

[@kainepeterson6638]

Two tapping Thorn? What is this 2015?? Have I been thrown back to the House of Wolves? AM I A DECADE IN THE PAST??

[@waltervidas9551]

It could two tap with kinetic surgesx3 last patch. It's definitely not game breaking tbh.

[@chrisennis5241]

Hey cammy u legend … I have a question 🙋‍♂️ for ya abit negative BUT if destiny flops what game is there with as good gun play as destiny atm that you would go to ?

[@waflz6011]

google first person shooters bro

[@chrisennis5241]

@@waflz6011 ahhh if I google that it will answer which ones cammy thinks are as good as destiny 2 .. cheers for that insight dude 👍🏽🫶🏽

[@rhn4710]

istg Cammy gets the most 0.2 lobbies, I want to chill like that too and I'm not even high mmr

[@Julian-rt9qs]

Possible he's just that good, to make some lobbies look like children. Possible the balancing gave him a superior team. Possible he chose these games to showcase the point of the video

[@rhn4710]

@@Julian-rt9qs no I can tell bad players when I see them, Cammy's top tier but he's matching rallybots who barely hit one tap on him and shoot like stormtroopers dawg

[@CleopatraKing]

If u believe ur weapon can kill after u die So it shall

[@CarriesOnTop]

12:47 Missing that on controller Pc is a tad embarrassing

[@fotis3v480]

Ah tfw we could two tap with ace with just mori and radiant and now we need 3 entire mods.😂.. Not to mention the most important aka 1h2b Ace is dead.. might aswell use any other adept 140.

[@Julian-rt9qs]

but....no other 140 has firefly. or constant radar. or the monstrous stat package. Or a version of Kill Clip that lasts forever (theoretically) statements like these sound so ridiculous.

[@kyanmatena3948]

@@Julian-rt9qsfirefly in pvp is negligible, and kill clip on a 140 doesnt really do much for it tbh

[@fotis3v480]

Firefly is irrelevant it does 40dmg or something? Radar you got me but i use knucklehead anyway when I'm tryharding on sweat hours and the KC argument ad mentioned is nerfed you can only 2h1b rn so it's whatever considering you lose 5m worth of range with mori active. As for stats my adelt fatebringer and exalted truth laugh at ace of spades...also hitting 60+stability which is mandatory for controller hc gameplay.s​@@Julian-rt9qs

[@connorsample8389]

Am I the only one that can’t stand the sound thorn makes? I know it’s good, but damn I just can’t vibe with the audio

[@haydenbell1758]

It's the best part

[@conniptions1533]

PC ruined this game

[@truth6316]

You’re a robot 🤖

[@itsyaboyskinnnypimp42069]

This Build would be perfect if they gave thorn +5 range

[@DerultimativeOzzy]

Cammy using Thorn as the lore accurate Guardian Killer that it is. He truly has become Dredgen Yor!

[@moonlight_white]

"..Snipers just a big handcannon remember that.." Eriana's Vow: am i a joke to you?

[@letsplaygames8563]

Vow is the medium option, thats what my guess would be haha

[@thefifthbelfry92]

@@letsplaygames8563can’t wait to run thorn and vow

[@ReapThySorrow]

Sir, cakes i'ma have to ask stop buffing thorn. I remember the destiny 1 meta. Was nightmare fuel.

[@iSkullScored]

What if you did this on titan with Feedback Fence? Throw hammer, get radiant and surges at the same time, 2 tap thorn for days.

[@_Forza]

"alright that's it. It's 2 surges and radiant" classic

[@calebhenry3601]

The subs… they’re… *evolving!*

[@MrCJ1988]

Sorry I’m fairly new to the game. How can you change the layout of the map on your top-left screen like that? Mine looks different

[@wy100101]

knucklehead radar is definitely one of the best hunter exotics. I just wish it had a better looking, lower profile ornament.

[@nubetackular2958]

If you get a Special Ammo generation and the Special weapon is in hand it will not autoload. If it is in your pocket, that is when it will autoload.

[@gatoBandido-sk5hh]

I don’t quite understand how he’s getting the armor charges from radiance

[@jovannireyes9049]

We need a video on the new dead zone settings please. My aim feels weird since the new update. Love your vids, keep up the great work!

[@pititful]

Just keep practicing, no magic settings will change that. You could make it less sensitive by going back towards .15 which is what the deadlines were previous to the new changes but for accuracy sake try to keep it as low as possible without getting stuck drift. Just put in that pain and get active Guardian

[@jovannireyes9049]

@@pititful Ah gotcha thanks for the insight. I’m actually a 2.4kd 200+ flawless in trials so I’m no stranger to aiming ha. Just feels a little off with the new update so I’ve been messing around with the deadzone settings.

[@VAVORiAL]

Necrotic Grips are genuinely awful in pvp

[@SpaghettiTop]

I've always liked lightweight knifes more for CQC. Much more reliable than the heavy knife when you need just enough damage to kill em

[@pouraxial]

If a sniper is a big hand cannon, what is a slug shotgun?

[@apotionseller]

What sensitivity are you running?

[@rhyshuber9981]

Why do knives curve in the air

[@michaeltruesdale8921]

Jesus he is a M_E_N_A_C_E

[@wrennybih]

hello cammycakes

[@NamesMajin]

Good morning bb

[@ajalyx]

hi cammy

[@boomboxkat1464]

You should use the other Thorn ornament, it’s PTW..

[@Sypitz]

How.

[@boomboxkat1464]

@@Sypitz it makes the gun model slimmer and the reticle is more centered

[@Distain_Gaming]

They buffed Knucklehead too much, can't it go back to being cool but an overwhelmingly average dad exotic so nobody sees me running it for the fashion and immediately thinks I'm some tryhard trying to use it to hit some easier accuracy threshold?

[@RiskOfRayne]

Odd thing to say

[@BombStars]

Yeah this is a very niche thing to be worried about. Rock wtv exotic you want. Hell I don’t ever rock exotics in pvp and idc what ppl say

[@boom-jr8vi]

"oh no my exotic's too good, people will think I'm a sweat!" not a single person who's opinion is worth caring about will call you a sweat purely for using knucklehead (as long as the fashion is drippy of course 😆)

[@princetyre8853]

YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH OR I'LL REPORT YOU FOR PROFANITY😂 How dareeeeeee you say anything with the word Nerf and Knucklehead both in the same sentence.

[@TheFreeWulf]

Hunters seem kinda weak this patch

[@CarriesOnTop]

Hunters will always be strongest or very strong no matter the meta in pvp. They're kinda of like the pvp subclass having way more options than any other class

[@FatJesusLive]

no dim?