Can 12 Jurors Agree To Sentence Someone To Death?

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[@nudluu]

“later home he killed his mother,father and little sister” liz: YIKES

[@LinasVolodzka]

MOOD

[@karend169]

Just thought the same thing.

[@TheSreYTK]

That made me laugh so hard

[@teagansavage3670]

Troy Bolton voice: *yikes*

[@guitarbeginnertips3541]

Why is this literally all millennials and then just one old lady

[@Adrieanana]

yes variety in age is needed

[@357Dejavu]

Guitar Beginner tips I agree! There needs to be representation from all ages (old enough to be on a jury).

[@idratherbewithmycatrightnow]

@@Adrieanana ok boomer

[@frostwindsgaming8645]

I mean the freakin old lady was biased cuz of what she went tru... That's not a correct jurry if someone in the jury had a similar experience.

[@heysaucemikehere1804]

I'd rather be with my cat right now Lmao How is wanting it to be fair a boomer thing?

[@serenatstyles]

its crazy how some of them thought a psychopath would sit in jail and think about their actions

[@katara1641]

They really think someone who killed a seven year old child would sit and contemplate his actions, they seem so detached from reality

[@Gabi-pn1fw]

sitting in jail is even worse than death, why should we be afraid to set him free? just don’t lmao keep him there and let him go crazy with himself.

[@daysandmoon7738]

@@Gabi-pn1fw most death penalties have you wait 20-40 years until your execution date, unless it’s under extremely circumstances. plenty of time for them to think and go crazy.

[@Gabi-pn1fw]

@@daysandmoon7738 oh really?? i had no idea

[@zzm2405]

@@katara1641 I guess it depends on whether the murder had any empathy or not, ‘cause when you’re overwhelmed by extreme emotions, you might commit extreme actions, look at all the veterans who needs psychological support after they got back to home.

[@jakeoht791]

It cracks me up how it’s just everyone vs someone’s grandma.

[@swarma_b33f]

That someone died...

[@CALLMEKAFOI]

@@swarma_b33f she said her son died I think? not her grandson right?

[@Yue_Jin]

Gotta gang up on the smartest one in the room.

[@error1186]

JakeOhT 😂💀

[@ShiningDarknes]

grandma vs the world

[@katipunanball4799]

The main question is why they all argued with the grandma instead of the other four.

[@yolo.kay4191]

Period.

[@dageneral6557]

She was easily the most well spoken

[@Arisairspace]

She was the unspoken leader of the death penalty “squad”. Her testimony swayed 2 people in under 10 mins

[@jasminemandy60]

Because she is super smart.

[@Arriival93]

Most stubborn

[@thunder7650]

“See, now you’re tripping” *_Me wheneever someone disagrees with me_*

[@jj_is_the_goat_2230]

Yo this is so true

[@sunnc]

They were really tripping tho

[@P1n_t0]

Lmao that black lady is such a legend

[@unnderneath]

I like her, I agree with her and I'm 23.

[@ghssop826]

As I read that she said that at the same time

[@danieltobias3908]

What they don’t understand is that prison usually does not help you return to normal life. The harsh prison life can increase mental health problems and make people more prone to aggression.

[@katara1641]

Exactly, going to prison and being treated like crap doesn’t make a psychopath love people and start to value life more

[@Spider-Too-Too]

“American prison” kek

[@anti-school6771]

Ah yes give them mcdonald burger and treat the prisoners like a King and queen Right?

[@MappingEagle]

Thats why we need prison reform lol. Look at Norway, where prisons are focused on rehabiliation and prisons succeed in learning people skills for when they get out. When you get out of jail in america for example, tf you gonna do? Nobody's gonna hire a former criminal, especially not one with no qualities.

[@keianao6369]

What part of murder was normal to begin with?

[@robton261]

Everybody was comin at Cynthia, like dang. She isn't the only one who thought death penalty was correct

[@nashimsheikh4428]

Funny how they were comparing the death penalty and the crime in the same bracket of "murder" Lyk those victims were killed innocently while this guy is meant to be punished ....

[@DavidCeeya]

There was so much more footage. I think it appears that way in this edit. We all LOVED Cynthia. :)

[@robton261]

@@nashimsheikh4428 right, exactly

[@robton261]

@@DavidCeeya well y'all could've talked to the other 2-3 people too

[@jackwilliams4932]

Nashim Sheikh exactly a punishment is a punishment not a punishment for a crime is a crime, like he killed 7 people yet some of them were trying to make him the victim. They should have worked with the facts not the possibility’s

[@lukewmac7546]

Lowkey feel bad for Cynthia cause no one else there was even close to her age.

[@resir9807]

Lowkey feel good cuz it let her dominate the discussion.

[@Lea-dq2uy]

I disagreed with most of her opinions though

[@MaximusTheChosenOne]

Lea cause you’re a millennial liberal

[@WetWorm]

@@MaximusTheChosenOne Ok boomer

[@MaximusTheChosenOne]

WetWorm ok clown off by at least 30+ years

[@jennytam9704]

Whoever came up with this should get a raise!

[@MabelRD08]

Worddddd!!! (: so good♡♡♡♡

[@alialithe1]

Thanks I appreciate it. Infact I've gotten a raise because of this idea. ☺️

[@unknown-qk1dy]

@@alialithe1 wait who are you?

[@s.9383]

Star it wasn’t his idea:// the real creator that came up with this is pinned in the comments in the next verdict video

[@avagami26]

Isn't the creator of this video idea the creator of the movie "12 angry men"? That was abt 12 jurors sentencing someone to death, too

[@sashulkagyl4781]

I think they completely missed the psych profile of a school shooter. You don't shoot up a school because you live afterwards. No one thinks they can shoot up a school and just run away. They want to die, it's like suicide, but making shure someone goes with you, making them feel your pain, and making sure you get talked about after you die.

[@dumblonde8872]

Exactly, death penalty is what they want. Keeping them in prison or a mental health facility to be studied to prevent future tragedies is the right thing to do.

[@eb-e2887]

exactly, i’m so glad someone pointed that out

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holy- this channel’s content escalated

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Wdym

[@cattram9583]

Yes but I love it

[@zzbo2334]

Starlynn in a good way right?

[@alejandroduarte7538]

Starlynn I liked your comment and then I disliked because you are at 711 likes

[@tayla4366]

damn straight . best youtube channel imo

[@imu2cs]

Cynthia don’t be playing no games! She called out everyone “see now y’all trippin!” 😭

[@brinaechanel4236]

Chris Sanders 😂😂😂😂

[@XPXhumble]

Chris Sanders 😂😂😂

[@JoJo-zg5df]

🤣🤣 Proven fact black ladies give -50 fucks once they pass the age of 45

[@ellam1316]

Alpha -200 after the age of 50

[@jonathanthainguyen]

Once her story with her son came out, she should have been dismissed. Her emotions clouded her decisions. You can tell by almost all of her comments.

[@dimnn322]

I would love to see this with a group of high schoolers, millennials, etc all in one group trying to come to a conclusion

[@rilyn8934]

middle schoolers would be funny as well

[@eeeee1476]

Rilyn Sawyer funny ?

[@gabbyseeger4672]

@@eeeee1476 funny ?

[@eeeee1476]

Gabby Seeger how would that be funny

[@gabbyseeger4672]

@@eeeee1476 idk I'm asking you

[@janed1926]

The older woman talking about her son made me so sad :( EDIT: also some people are saying that Cynthia wouldn't have been on a real jury, which is correct; but her insight was really meaningful and powerful

[@bwooja2031]

i totally agree with her stance but the statistic he pulled out totally threw me off lmao america doesnt have school shootings because they lack public executions, they have school shootings because they lack gun control

[@janed1926]

@@bwooja2031 i agree 100% its not bc we dont have executions lmao

[@hep8008]

It really isnt. The law doesn't make judgements on your feelings and emotions. She was too emotionally compromised to be an objective member on a panel

[@mgs85]

@@bwooja2031 that’s not true either, gun control is not the sole reason this is a uniquely American phenomenon

[@God-iy5lm]

"He made a mistake, it was a poor decision, was he in a correct mindset?" Dude he just straight up shot 16 people

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa790]

It was one hell of a mistake.

[@ricocarpenter2189]

True mistakes can be corrected The damage can be undone

[@jackseverino2608]

Pumpkin Guts The damage can be undone? How is rehabilitating someone making up for the lives of many people?

[@ricocarpenter2189]

@@jackseverino2608 I meant that it wasn't mistake because the damage cant be undone

[@CuminDragon]

Pumpkin Guts ok this is extremely well said, did you get this from somewhere?

[@alexanderg1297]

Because Cynthia’s son was murdered in a drive by shooting she would have POTENTIALLY not been selected as a juror in this trial

[@josoell9123]

correct me if i’m wrong, but aren’t jury members chosen by random in actual cases? i don’t think they look at who has experienced what when they choose the members

[@jlarson5392]

jo soell they do, lawyers on both sides are given the chance to reject jurors with personal experience/ bias on the details of the case

[@anikparadis7241]

jo soell Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but usually the lawyers get to excuse potential jurors based of their profiles. So usually they’ll excuse anyone with personal biases or that have any experiences that will skew their judgment of the case.

[@naydenbear]

@@josoell9123Before becoming a Juror, they go through an interview most of the times.

[@Cj-ul2ye]

@@josoell9123 they are, but certain circumstances can bar you from serving, like if you knew the victim personally or stuff like that. anything that can give a bias, I believe

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jubilee keeping it coming with that original contnent

[@carlosdelarosa5994]

Ikr

[@neeldasgupta2441]

This is based off the movie 12 angry men. Not that original

[@mollybea1089]

we already know buzzfeed is gonna tip this off

[@zg208]

Selly it’s still amazing content nobody on KZbin have done this

[@DavidCeeya]

We love fun and fresh ideas!! Yes!

[@Youngfezee]

*Kills 4 random students* "There could've been abuse, or neglect" *Then goes home and kills his family* "Uhhh.. still abuse and neglect" Like... did his 7 year old sister abuse him or something???

[@zederps7118]

I dont think someone that has killed 7 people and injured 12 others could change. I held firm in this idea when i heard this guy killed his 7 year old sister. This just shows lack of empathy and also shows his moral compass is completely skewed.

[@kate-zh4ny]

@@zederps7118 personally I feel like it would be worse to rot in jail your whole life. however, I respect your opinion and keep going back and forth myself.

[@zederps7118]

@@kate-zh4ny That way I phrased my response seemed like I was pro death penalty but Im actually not. Many of the leading arguments of the people in the jury is that he could change and I disagree with that whole heartedly. I completely agree with you rotting in prison for these type of people are the way to go imo.

[@kate-zh4ny]

@@zederps7118 exactly! completely agree with you! I really don’t think there is any rehabilitation for these people

[@StarryMidnight]

The part abt killing his family was untrue

[@amala4932]

I think death penalty is wrong but I hate how everyone was trying to justify the murderers actions and acting like he is the victim

[@thereareghosts7100]

I know right!!

[@desireedollar]

The the guy who killed those people at the age of eighteen has been in death row for 22 years, he might as well be put in prison for life

[@limeylemon1685]

Yes.. all of them acting like an underdeveloped frontal lobe of a teenager gives an excuse for him to murder multiple people..

[@saigie3908]

ItsMe Desiree Tbh if he has been on death row for 22 years he might as well die because we all live to die, if u think about it. And he has been thinking about his actions for a long time so he just might as well die. Especially since those lives were innocent ppl.

[@constracted7331]

When did they justify the murders exactly?

[@avar9329]

THIS IS SUCH A GOOD IDEA OMG

[@MabelRD08]

I know!!! I just read the thumbnail and went :O Such a great channel♡Ayeeeee

[@michyx2732]

indeed

[@chadjackson4786]

"i'm for rehabilitation not death penalty...he could change". None of the millenials realize the dude appealed for 22 years before the sentence was carried out. This is typical in the justice system. Death penalty takes sooooo long to actually happen. Best of both worlds for them. He got 22 years rehab and then faced his penalty. Realistically, death penalty should be 1 appeal at most allowed, 1 year maximum. You lose? The sentence is carried out. Saves taxpayers money. Will there be innocents? Maybe. Wanna make an omelette you've gotta crack some eggs.

[@Emma-vu3hx]

Chad Jackson you’re a psychopath

[@chadjackson4786]

@@Emma-vu3hx nah. if you limit the death penalty to violent crimes that have ironclad cases against the perpetrators, you would have little to no innocent people caught up in the death penalty, especially with the opportunity for 1 appeal. If someone murders someone, on camera, they should not get an appeal. Straight to the chair. Dont waste 40 years of taxpayer dollars to house them for decades of appeals for a crime they clearly committed

[@tingzzy5095]

“Now you’re tripping" Cynthia -2019

[@Solidude4]

Timestamp someone please!

[@liebeebz]

@@Solidude4 8:04 :)

[@io2255]

It's The REAL News she’s great

[@Tlove4321]

Lol he was trippin. He made some good points but the statement about raping rapists was silly 😂

[@meeeee129]

I staned

[@springtimung5567]

My brain hurts watching them justify a guy killing his family including his small sister and classmates

[@elonmiddleton1098]

I don’t think anybody is trying to justify it. The person is still going to get punished it’s just them deciding what is most effective for all parties involved and affected.

[@ksb-2115]

Nobody justified the shooting?

[@calientita104]

Justify, understand, and empathize three different concepts

[@darko4046]

@@elonmiddleton1098 yeah but think about it we need to take out the depression in the environment that’s hurting people right

[@brndnii7840]

@@darko4046 taking the depression and environment out of it, im sure we can all agree death is an easy way out for an assassin. a killer, psychopath would suffer for 50+ year in a life sentence then have peace at death, while a death penalty would be a easy way out. even then, death penalties aren’t quick, and they take years. they also cost more so it doesn’t seem very good

[@cristianasilva6127]

suggestion: when someone is saying something as a fact, jubilee could reinforce that they are not facts

[@cristianasilva6127]

because some misinformation might spread

[@Semi-AvgKay]

Are you talking about something like popups that refute the misinformation?

[@cristianasilva6127]

@@Semi-AvgKay yes, something like that!

[@MikaForTheLose]

This is a great idea!

[@breea07]

Or people can not be sheep and do their own research.

[@sarahi8890]

me: life sentence so he can suffer the jury: life sentence because he can change me: am i evil????

[@user-kj2fj8qr9l]

No

[@ian-fh1ry]

No you’re not they are for thinking he deserves a future

[@isytha5324]

Its because they brought a bunch of millennial who think that anyone can change. Your opinion should have been the opinion of every life sentence person there. I don't know where you live but here in Canada everyone thinks that people can be rehabilitated from murder and rape and every other major crime.

[@jameson4548]

lol

[@marion113]

yeah I fell like life sentence is worse

[@SpazzAttack78]

Can't believe it started out with "He can still make a positive difference." Guys, he straight up shot 16 people killing 4 of them.

[@jess6241]

RIGHT

[@cyn0303]

IKR

[@c.aa.6241]

He made his impact in one of the worst ways. No coming back from that as in coming back to society. Like it’s crazy how it seem like they want him to be release and get another. Yes, it’s good to be kind, but come on a straight up spree killer, to get rehabilitated and back in society. La la lands minds in that room

[@SpazzAttack78]

@Yamel Camel Yeah but at the beginning they didn't know that

[@jacytyngirl]

Yes, he did. But over time people can regret things. Yes, what he did was wrong. Extremely. But prison can change people's views. He can share his story and prevent people from doing what he did. Do you not realize that everyone fucks up? His was HORRIBLE. Tragic. He can make a difference. Not in himself, but in others.

[@dvb5670]

i think that they should have been more clear about the definition of the life and death penalty. i think many people thought that the death penalty means you get killed a few days after the verdict or something, but the person who actually committed this crime is 40 years old and still waiting to be executed. so he has been waiting all these years for his exact death, and he knows exactly when he’s going to die. he can still sit around and live decades after the crime.

[@tarsierr]

Also, it was no clarified what the sentence was. Life or death, for all I know it could 20 years to life. Also death penalty isnt that bad imo, you can always appeal it and have 20 years to do so.

[@monkeyman321]

@@tarsierr Death is also not so bad either. Sometimes staying alive can be way worse.

[@mr.mayorr7793]

@@monkeyman321 do u think someone deserves to live and breathe oxygen after senselessly killing so many people? Don't u think these serial killers deserve to not be on this planet? Idk just asking.

[@sndsd4311]

@@mr.mayorr7793 do u really think living and breathing are that great?lmao specially in a prision that's worst

[@lewwy333]

I'm kinda surprised nobody elaborated the fact that death penalty is so expensive compared to life penalty, all that tax money gone to waste for a mofo like that?:/

[@hellmind1304]

"Death is easy. When you die, you don't have to live with what you did, but everyone else does. " Wow, I really enjoyed that Olivia's thought

[@austinchandler3079]

Sure, he has to live with what he's done, but he doesn't care...so why doesn't it matter? He's not going to feel remorse.

[@pinkshinx]

@@haleyl5003 I think we should murder those people to set an example for others who wanna do it again

[@Nenk.]

Austin Chandler yea they might not care for what theyve done but they do care where they wakeup how theyre treated and what their life has become , cuz most of the criminals come from being abused bullied and not treated right and from that oerspective its what they despise the most and since in prison no one is gonna talk sweet to you and treat you nice (especially in us) it means their whole life will be miserable

[@alissonbate842]

They still sit in Jail for years before they are executed , they live with what they did and the fact that they will pay for it not knowing when but knowing they will

[@Nenk.]

Alisson Bate also the fear of being put to death whenever snd not knowing exactly

[@scarlettechloeasmr]

Yes, an 18 year olds frontal lobe isn’t developed yet. However, an 18 year old KNOWS murder is WRONG

[@pizzaandpastaboi549]

Frontal lobe is for long-term thinking like future consequences, etc, not moral standing. I though the girl in the video has explained it to you

[@scarlettechloeasmr]

pizza and pasta boi an 18 year is also very aware that someone who murders someone goes to prison. There’s literally no excuse here.

[@savannahsmith1041]

a 4 yr old does that was the worst argument ever

[@MixedMartian28]

I’m baffled that people think at 18 it’s possible to not understand the severity and likely consequences of murdering people, not only that, but walking into your school and shooting your classmates....like where is the confusion and misunderstanding?

[@limeylemon1685]

@@MixedMartian28 I agree.

[@sophiawoods9799]

I personally love how Jubilee includes people of all races and ages. It gives such a wide perspective on so many issues and makes for great videos.

[@vivvy0v]

Sophia Woods and also that they really listen to the comments and the suggestions

[@honeyreally232]

Well that's how juries work, they are randomly selected

[@LifeOn18Wheels]

@@honeyreally232 I'm mean...are they really though?

[@honeyreally232]

@@LifeOn18Wheels at least in Australia they are. It goes through the electoral roll :)

[@xlllNIGHTMARElllx]

@@honeyreally232 No the pool is random, but to be selected for the jury for that trial, they must first be acceptable to the Defence and the Plaintiff. They, in the end choose if they like the juror or not and that can end up skewing the backgrounds of the jury.

[@ashleybertelmann2067]

how is shooting up a school a “mistake” and i agree with the old lady for literally all of these

[@littlebearoverlook]

"Sorry Finger Slipped"

[@omarespinoza3264]

@@littlebearoverlook bro is friendly fire on

[@tmck4138]

Wrong school?

[@Spider-Too-Too]

He put the switch on full auto by mistake, brrrrrrr and missed most of his shot

[@zevzuu8491]

Same

[@marrcoke9580]

I just got "ok boomer" energy from all of them towards Cynthia lmaoooo

[@morenitomoreno1282]

Marrcoke I empathize with what she went through but she'd just wrong

[@yearoldvampire-ee2ff]

Corleone ok boomer

[@branklemsp2878]

Morenito Moreno she’s just wrong Because....? Honestly this isn’t something you can be wrong or right on it’s a matter of opinion. And prison does NOT rehabilitate people. Especially not in America. Many times people come out worse and unable to enter back into society. Unfortunately some of them end up commuting suicide or they do another crime and get locked up again.

[@aoibhin7120]

@@branklemsp2878 What she said was wrong though and no one called her out on it. The only countries that still publically execute people are North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Somalia... Europe has completely abolished the death penalty and mass shootings really aren't a major problem over there.

[@lunchhawx7596]

@@aoibhin7120 The lower mass school shootings can be blamed on gun regulation laws.

[@supercullen0047]

Are they aware they live in the US? Prison isn’t a rehabilitation here lol

[@farenhite4329]

And they’re millennials, ie the people who are hit _most_ by the shitty American policies.

[@noone9472]

And in France we don’t have the death penalty and we don’t have school shooters THE GUNS ARE THE PROBLEM not video games not the penalty not social media for fuck’s sake How is it so hard to look at the evidence

[@bombasticq1693]

No One i mean y’all used to have death penalty

[@polagrabowska]

BombasticQ yeah but they don’t anymore... and that’s the major difference?

[@loz5825]

​@@noone9472 Illegal guns are the problem. In my country, the Netherlands, where guns are prohibited. Shooting incidents still happen occasionally. I have read about 4 shooting incidents in the current month alone *(17-11 in Den Bosch, 14-11 in Best, 15-11 A 24yo got apprehended by police at station Eindhoven because of a shooting in October, 09-11 A shooting in Hengelo, 13-11 Police apprehended a 48yo criminal and his 27yo son in Oss. They found guns and drugs. Which they sell obviously).* These are all done by thugs. Who will get their guns one way or another. And in the USA mental health problems is clearly a contributing factor as well. Because of their complicated healthcare system.

[@jmanrock11]

I remember I did these in school. They were always fun but we couldn't leave until we all agreed on a verdict.

[@okok72277]

Sounds even better then I'd just stay there until school ended

[@cardiaccoder9622]

Yeah, no way that would work in my school.

[@michyx2732]

dang

[@TheEricaKatherine]

So you didn’t have other classes 😂 ?

[@breonawarren1507]

We did something similar in one of crju classes but if we couldn’t get a unanimous verdict by the end of class the person was acquitted

[@donatoleon3506]

There’s fates worse than death that’s why I was rooting for life sentence because it’s way crueler but I was surprised to hear everyone choose life sentence because they have so much faith in the U.S prison system being able to rehabilitate a psycho path when they fail to even rehabilitate an average inmate

[@Unfiltred_honey]

I don’t think his inmate would be safe

[@betacuck3145]

@@Unfiltred_honey exactly. Murderers become kings in prison. Everyone fears them, so they don't suffer as much

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@@betacuck3145 Which is arguably why they should be harsher on inmates (Of course no unnescessary abuse, or abuse in general.).

[@mickarivera8793]

You have a very skewed perception of what prison life is like. A lot of people who’ve committed the most morally despicable crimes end up getting beat to death or isolated in prison. The exception to this being criminals who have an absurd number of connections.

[@SenpaimustNotice]

Yeah it's way more brutal because it;s like theyre on some kind of prison colony planet in the future where they have to just fight for th rest of their lives ¬Justice Kennedy

[@bee.autisma]

Cynthia added so much to the conversation and I'm glad she was a part of it, but honestly? she would never be on a real jury because of the tragedy with her son.

[@larenzgarrett4936]

how would they know she felt that way

[@cressmoon340]

@@larenzgarrett4936 They check so the jury won’t be biased on one side let’s say a student was on trial they wouldn’t put teachers in the jury because they work with kids and would be biased towards the

[@cressmoon340]

I meant them

[@paavanilaldas3227]

yeah, I thought she was really good at bringing the conversation back to the main focus

[@paavanilaldas3227]

@@localweeb2924 yeah, I just really liked her personality (despite the fact she brought up a personal situation) and wanted to say something nice lol

[@nicolen9047]

poor cynthia... everyone was attacking her like she was the only one that wanted him dead... the woman was just tryna state an opinion lmaoo

[@meganaxelia]

She’s based.

[@mypeach6735]

@@meganaxelia You mean biased?

[@meganaxelia]

Jasia Kontodgier Nope

[@robcole1629]

@@meganaxelia What the heck does base mean then? lol I'm curious

[@dipjay8590]

you have a deep misunderstanding of what "being attacked means" if you thought she was being attacked.

[@quinnc7753]

this episode should've been called: 11 millennials try to persuade 1 boomer

[@user-qo7ul3wm1g]

Quinn C we needed more age variety

[@mariairivera-acevedo8459]

Results...they don't

[@maxwellcorbin4764]

the funny thing is that she instead persuaded two of the life sentencers.

[@jellybutter3123]

Yes

[@areebmasoodi8932]

@@maxwellcorbin4764 yeah I'm happy. I was afraid that everyone has become a softie but this video showed me otherwise.

[@toddroberts8020]

Guy: *Murders his family and multiple classmates while also injuring 20 others* Woman: “It’s fine, he can just lead a group in prison and teach others to be better, and learn from his mistake”

[@lila_harris]

He shouldn't be in a prison and be given the chance to "get better". They should've voted death penalty.

[@parkerverran9719]

@@lila_harris I think you might want to do some more research into how ineffective the death penalty is……

[@gamerslatestnews819]

@@parkerverran9719 aman to that

[@gamerslatestnews819]

Not true he can change

[@gamerslatestnews819]

@@lila_harris your wrong

[@JD-ht7yw]

I’m sorry, Cynthia, may your son rest in peace

[@gbgdjakoro]

They call murdering 4 and injuring 20 a “mistake” bruh

[@Evili555]

U mean murdering 7(4 of his classmates and mother, sister, and father) and injuring like another 12-16. And they are like “oh he’s the victim”

[@ravenwaters9514]

@@Evili555 the mother, father, and sister part was made up

[@homosapien.a6364]

You gotta know that there are a lot of people who don't own their own brains That why there are a lot of people who decided to go with isis because the grew up in a religious Islamic house

[@Evili555]

@@ravenwaters9514 doesn’t matter, the fact they still said he was a “victim” after given the circumstance of that is absurd

[@gbgdjakoro]

@Fraser M yes stereotyping an entire religion as terrorists is horrible and idk why anyone would do that, it's quite racist

[@shaokahn3255]

Do they not realize that when your put to death it’s not “easy” you sit on death row for weeks, months or even years before you die. The feeling of knowing your death is coming is more terrifying then sitting in a cell for the rest of your life

[@925263]

Sitting in a cell for the rest of your life IS knowing death is coming, and far worse, since you know it'll hurt. (No one with a life sentence dies of old age.)

[@pedroalexandre4165]

i agree 100%

[@YumiYumY]

It's easy after it happens. He waits for what, 1-2 weeks ? After he's dead, it's over. If you believe he's gonna rot in hell that's something else, but not true.

[@onemillionpercent]

@@YumiYumY no. he could be waiting for months or years. death row is not always quick.

[@laurenguo3888]

aye agreed. Even the end of the video showed the kid who was 18 is still awaiting the execution and he’s like 40 now.

[@arjtavious6395]

"do we have the right to make that judgement" "I do" I love cynthia

[@freshlypainted]

QUEEN

[@Random-sk6hm]

She has a conflict of interest and would not be allowed to be on the jury

[@hep8008]

@@Random-sk6hm try explaining to idiots who react from emotion first. Dont bother

[@ashishkumarsharma1323]

​@@Random-sk6hm exactly!

[@mrbroadwaydork]

@@Random-sk6hm doesn't mean we can't love her but okay

[@dpendletdpendlet1514]

"See now you're trippin" -Cynthia

[@onemillionpercent]

period cynthia!

[@__Cynthia]

I don’t agree

[@vgxezo7371]

@@__Cynthia lol

[@askmspforums1163]

when was that?

[@rachelie0706]

I don't think they were tho. They were just saying that even if it was as a punishment, it would still be murder, which is important to consider.

[@supersonic_tumbleweed]

When Cynthia was crying a little and talking about her son was so sad

[@MeMyselfAndSharon]

Thanks Captain Obvious XD

[@alywhite759]

ong

[@savvy7146]

Made me teary

[@nataliemccall4849]

YES I clicked so fast, your idea's keep getting better and better

[@michyx2732]

yesss

[@kamerontaylor6110]

It’s kind of based on the movie 12 angry men so not their idea but smart to make it a KZbin video

[@tayla4366]

right?!

[@khalidalghamdi7208]

Alisia rodriquez exactly

[@DavidCeeya]

I know!! Jubillee lessgo!

[@lith4498]

I like how some of them assumed he would be in that cell feeling bad for what he did. They don’t know him, he could be sitting there being sorry he didn’t get more kills for all they know

[@pibby325]

So is this going to be a series like 'Odd Man Out?' because I'm here for it, I'm very excited for episode two!

[@Alibern7]

Yessss!!

[@bennettlieberman1710]

F.L.Y Solo towards the end it was mentioned so yes

[@shaebubblegum3212]

I like this too

[@mantosh56]

More like...whos the imposter :/ idk my opinion....

[@user-ju3eh9qf4z]

I’m surprised how little the victims and their families were considered...

[@ultraxim]

Rae I mean they are supposed to concentrate on the case and in the individual

[@kayduff5676]

I feel like whether the victim’s family wanted it or not would heavily sway me

[@___-dt9ux]

Exactly. Everybody is talking about helping the killer to feel better and I was like 😬😬😬

[@Brandon-ms2uc]

Nobody cares about that stuff until it hits home.

[@YoureRightIThink]

@@___-dt9ux Not to "feel better" dude, but if someone has a mental problem it means it can be solved. One doesn't not just decide one day to start a school shooting, there's things and previous problems that lead to that and why not address these problems too and try to give a solution

[@matthewspears6932]

Prison isn’t some nice place where people get rehabilitation, just saying.

[@deadmeme1680]

Unless you live in Germany or something

[@robertwilliams1650]

That’s why Alcatraz failed because it was that

[@unlucky5442]

Here in Norway is rehabilitation a big factor in the prison system. You want to help and rehabilitate the inmates so they won't commit new crimes when they are released. Apparently, 68% of inmates get re-arrested after release in America. Here in Norway, only 27% gets re-arrested. I think most countries in Europe have something similar to that percentage as well. Also, no countries in Europe (probably except Russia) have the death sentence. I think the highest sentence here in Norway is like 21 years, I feel like America give people live sentences for next to nothing. The U.S literally got 2 million people in prison.

[@FKAthicccs]

Exactly. It SHOULD be a place of rehabilitation

[@matthewspears6932]

Unluckyness I’ve been to Norway before, you’re prisons look more like a rehabilitation center from the pictures. The ones in America are disgusting.

[@KeepAnEyeOnDan]

In the UK we had a school shooting in 1996. Fifteen children aged 5, one aged 6 and their teacher died. We immediately banned guns and we've never had another since.

[@stacyroth8836]

That’s such a sad story. At least the UK banned the guns after it

[@brrr7949]

Pistols*

[@Kailz]

@Harley Mainwaring US citizens are way too ignorant - US citizen

[@hasnainr4957]

Dunablane massacre

[@Kailz]

@patrycja the times have changed though

[@thewaysofmylife]

I love how the jury is spitting out untrue facts. Australia doesn’t have the death penalty and we barely have any mass shootings.. so idk where they got the idea that capital punishment is a deterrent

[@snotterwt]

Exactly! Like 80% of Europe doesn’t have death penalty and has a lot less mass shootings & other types of gun violence than the USA. The problem is the gun laws, not the death penalty

[@miamerton142]

She wasn’t just referring to shootings. She was talking about the crime rate, which does include gun violence, but not only that.

[@5secondsofonedirection206]

@@lolad1257 yeah i looked it up too and asia still largely has it. It just shows that socio-economic problems are the main reason for crime

[@WolfvineGaming]

Australia also has barely any people, compared to the over 330 million people in USA.

[@5secondsofonedirection206]

@@snotterwt yeah only belarus has it

[@farhadnejjad9947]

Should have asked them “If one of those victims was a loved one of yours, would you still choose life sentence”

[@Nicolebrooke18]

Exactly I was waiting for one of them to say that. You can say you want someone to “rot” in prison. But they can one day get out, and jail is not a place for rehabilitation. Not even close. Most come out worse. & death is the scariest sentence a person can get. If they aren’t afraid of death, do you really think they are afraid of being locked up? Nothing can be worse than a knowing the expiration date of your last breath. The last time you see, hear, feel, live. That’s scary..

[@eonstar]

@@Nicolebrooke18 I disagree, I'd rather die than be tortured indefinitely. Torture is worse than death.

[@Nicolebrooke18]

eon star I guess we define torture differently

[@Nicolebrooke18]

Respect your opinion though!

[@eonstar]

@@Nicolebrooke18 I'm not defining prison as necessary torture. I was just trying to say that there are things worse than death

[@graciemckenzie2842]

" he could stilll benefit everyone in jail by leading a group or ... " bruh have you ever been in jail??

[@dillonmartin1096]

He wouldn't even go to jail.

[@wardahs.2392]

clearly not

[@dillonmartin1096]

People that do something as serious would go to prison and not jail.

[@shubydoobydoo3212]

if they learn he wasd a school shooter he would get beat up

[@huged_beau]

That’s what I’m saying bruh

[@justaileen8397]

7:20 I fail to believe that someone who could murder his family would have the same amount of empathy towards the death of his family as normal people...

[@entirelyt]

exactly

[@ethankoh6851]

The only way I can defend it now is using "what if" scenarios like "he could have developed mental trauma from abusive parents" which is weak sauce.

[@hannahwelch9908]

Dang, one lady said his brain wasn’t developed enough to understand consequences at 18. I knew killing people was bad at like, 4!

[@kickasyberg7344]

Understanding consequenses and knowing right from wrong is two different things. Everybody knows you shouldn't drink or text while driving. But what age group do you think does that the most? Everybody also knows that you should always wear a seatbelt. But what age group do you think does that the least? The consequenses for doing something or not doing something isn't considered the same way in teens and young adults as in adults.

[@hannahwelch9908]

Kicka Syberg Okay, but surely an 18 yr old knows that if he or she kills someone, prison is the most likely outcome.

[@kickasyberg7344]

@@hannahwelch9908 yes of course. But it's just not that simple. Think of it this way. Most people know that they need money to buy things. They know how much money they earn each month and how much money they need to pay their bills and buy groceries every month. But many people still find it hard to have enough money left at the end of the month. For teenagers and young adults this is especially hard, cause they lack the ability to actually imagine the consequences of spending all their money at the start of the month. Don't know if I can explain it any better. Try reading scientific papers about teenagers and the frontal lobe.

[@IndiraJauza]

this is the reason why I keep asking myself about nature vs nurture

[@redvelvetcakeYUM]

JAUZA I recommend watching “three identical strangers”. They were triplets who were purposely separated at birth for a scientific study on Nuture vs. Nature. They ended up finding eachother at 19 coincidentally. Highly recommend. Should be on Hulu, Amazon Prime.

[@selina.yse54]

Honestly, if I wasn't this young and wouldn't live so far away, I'd 100% want to work with jubilee.

[@derekbitun9621]

This is an inaccurate mock jury tho because they usually have a wide variety of people in jury cases not 11 millennials and 1 senior.

[@derekbitun9621]

goodguynow exactly!

[@yappzyt3865]

Derk B ok boomer

[@syntext]

Typical juries are "juries of your peers" and are specifically decided by the attorneys in the case - I don't have stats on age (other than that the older you are, the more likely you are to put someone on death row, which may be why you'd see more mixed age juries), but racial stats show that many juries don't include a single person of color on them at all, so the opposite of diverse, really. Ultimately it's all a game of chess being waged by the prosecution and the defense teams.

[@-bacon_bacon-]

Why are they ignoring the fact that his 7 YEAR OLD sister was also killed? a psychopath like him killed his innocent sister without remorse and you think he will sit in jail and lament about what he has done? he is 18 and he knew what he was doing

[@its.kaylin.8807]

from the clues im getting i think he is a sociopath- he knows what he was doing, we knew it was wrong but he did it anyway... he wanted to die, he wanted people to feel his pain by dying. he knows.

[@elbarto4069]

Wait didnnt they say this part was not true

[@Wagwan_Gaming]

The countries with the lowest crime levels don’t have death penalties.

[@sirlonnaldii9110]

STMB FilipProds you also can’t compare crime rates among countries because they are reported differently

@@sirlonnaldii9110 yep, but the US is the only first world country with death penalty, the EU is really against it for example. And even if crime rates can vary, murder rates don't and the US also haves the highest among first world countries Edit: western* Singapur and Japan still have it. With the US they're the only advanced countries that havent got rid of it yet but the US murder rate being higher than any other developed country is true, I checked It up and It's like twice the other ones.

[@totallyphy2517]

@ false, US is not the only first-world country with the death penalty

[@totallyphy2517]

@ you forgot China, Japan, South Korea, and Singapore :)

[@nmitchxll305]

@@totallyphy2517 I think calling the US a first world country is a bit of a stretch

[@Mizemm]

I'm surprised this was ended so soon. I felt like the conversation was just starting. People were starting to see other points of view, and some people were changing their minds.

[@lauren255]

Mara Palmen i totally agree

[@claytondavidson6308]

Yes, it would be nice to watch an hour or longer long video of this.

[@bleepiestofbloops]

I've been watching a lot of vids on this channel the past couple days, and I gotta say, they really don't let things get fleshed out and heated. For how heavy some of the topics on this channel are, it's sad that they try to keep everything so "nice." But I guess these are social experiments, which means you are mainly trying to reveal people's true natures, not their changed opinions.

[@LR-eh8me]

Cynthia was not having it lol "yes they will be murdered"

[@eliasboudreau3497]

“But he will suffer for the rest of his life” what about the families or the friends of the life’s he took that will suffer the rest of their life or his other family members knowing someone of their family killed their own with no remorse

[@dumblonde8872]

If someone has no remorse for murder, they are mentally ill and we can study them to prevent future tragedies

[@jade4417]

@@dumblonde8872 study them on death row if you want they still should be executed

[@celetial3287]

they’re gonna suffer whether he dies or not

[@0Clewi0]

If you're going by practical means the death penalties means a long process of appeals where the families of the victims will need to repeatedly relive the tragedy. Then after the death the response if their deaths help is split.

[@athenastemple3804]

@@celetial3287 they’re gonna feel better though wouldnt they

[@pillowtato9013]

for the the next 'odd man out,' you should do: 6 Prisoners vs. 1 Cop or vise versa

[@aurora7442]

Yes please!

[@krad8281]

Or ex-convicts. That might be more doable

[@alyeeshakaif3672]

holy fudgenuggets

[@rich842]

"He was 18 when commited the crime, he is now 40 years old and awaiting his excecution"... this is the whole problem, it just becomes pricey and long and at that point its a life sentence, so whats the point?

[@jillianlombard5455]

Flich Flobinson exactly! they are saying that the death penalty would potentially sway people from committing mass murders in the future but its takes decades to actually be executed. makes total sense...smh lol

[@justanotherweirdo11]

I don't think it's worth it.

[@FluffyTurbo]

other country have it and have less killings yea cause the killer after trail is dragged straight out of the court house and shot in the head in the middle of the street they don't wait they just do it

[@yvonnelozano20]

So why is he still alive? I thought he was on death penalty and he’s now 40

[@lijntje266]

​@@yvonnelozano20 cause for some reason thats how the system in america works. there are a million rules to this. the person has to be healthy and if not he has to be cured before he can be killed, then there is the problem of how. cause the maker of the injection decided to stop making it. so now there is a big problem with that. they dont use the chair that often. the prisons are so overcrowded they problable cant do 10 people a day or something so the whole organising takes a lot of time. and if someone somewhere in the process makes a mistake or does something to late, then the whole process begins at the begining again. how it can take 30 years is insane but it does all the time. its basicaly a life sentence with the constand knowing ur going to be exectuted at one point in time...

[@Millenialmum2020]

I wonder if changing his ethnicity or mentioning his religion would have swayed their opinion of his mental health

[@kaysummer5217]

Exactly. Mentally health consideration is only reserved for young and old white people. Never in my life have I heard that argument being brought up for young ethnic killers. Like, they literally have a closer proximity to violence, sexual abuse, mental & physical abuse but no one ever look into their past to show empathy. They are just menace to society, mean, heartless killers, while the white kids are fragile beings that need mental help. 🤷🤦👎

[@gaj30]

such a good point!

[@ohPAIN]

no one said he was white lmao , you're the one thinking that

[@jdude000]

There was no info provided about any of that so their decision was not swayed at all

[@Freyal]

Kati P. I mean if we are talking court cases, an insanity plea is VERY hard to prove, no matter the ethnicity. How many mass murderers in the past few years have you seen successfully plead insanity? Mental illness can be a leading factor into a crime, yes, however it is not an excuse for it.

[@milansophia]

i honestly hate the fact that there is a jury sometimes. people have so many different definitions of what is good and what is bad. Your fate truly depends on if that person that has to vote has been affected by something you did.

[@diegos5968]

No disrespect but what is a better idea ?

[@miikey_lol]

Not sure how it works in America but usually the prosecutors and defendant can choose to not have someone on the jury especially if they a personal experience that may impact their judgement. Juries are in most cases quite reasonable.

[@heistgotfame-6952]

@@miikey_lol yeah this happening in jury selection before the trial takes place

[@Mica_T]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Jurors only there to dictate whether an individual is guilty or not, not dictate what the punishment is? This essentially makes this a debate about morality rather than concrete evidence...

[@tess-ticles]

you arent allowed to be on jury if you have any personal connections to a case lol

[@HanneM]

The prisons in Scandinavia is some of the best in the world. They don't have death penalty but rather focus on the rehabilitation program the prisoners can get. They actually have a choice to get education there, so when they are free they can get a job and get a better life. That has been proven to be highly successful and most people who finish their sentence don't end up in prison again. That's why I dont understand why the older lady is mentioning other countries that has good prisons with death penalty.

[@addiosnia]

Ikr I wanted to educate Cynthia in this so badly

[@hurrstardlikemustard]

But are those committed crimes held up for rehabilitated prisoners equate to the gravity of the crime at hand ? Each country is different, so is each case and how they handle it. Singapore has Death Penalty, it doesnt stop all the crimes cold turkey but as they said, although they 'claim' that there's no scientific evidence that supports it, it discourages people from trying, accompanied with better regulations as to track and stop it further like better Gun Control for one, in which the US still struggles to unanimously commit. I do appreciate and respect your opinion, i agree with it to a degree as well, but just because it works in scandinavia in some circumstances, doesnt mean itll work as well in this particular case. Especially after the dependant's capture and investigation was already done and considering the faux trial info that he additionally killed his whole family including a child on top of who he already killed and injured at school. I wouldnt want to work with the dependant after he was rehabilitated and free, likewise how much i would not work with John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy, or the Sandy Hook Shooter if he were captured alive even way after theyve rehabilitated. No one would emphatize with the shooter nor the mentioned serial killers above long after theyre gone nor would want to comfortably interact with them after theyve rehabilitated. I was leaning towards Life sentence at the start of the vid, but after 'trial' and that the dependant had been caught in the act and captured and an investigation was already done, i finally agreed for a death sentence at the end of the video. Just my thoughts.

[@blackpearl2341]

Most people cherry pick facts which support their world view.

[@134wilson2]

Please have more variation in the ages next time. Not just all millennials with one boomer

[@emilyg991]

THANK YOU🙄

[@victoriaque601]

honestly someone needs to make a video with just gen x, what they think about millennials & boomers -since gen x (latchkey kids, as i refer to them) are in the middle. Additionally, I want to know what they think about gen z, because they are the parents to gen z (mostly). Edit: typos.

[@benmiller5844]

Victoria Que yeah

[@michaelbailey9549]

ok boomer

[@HookLineReel]

134wilson ok boomer

[@rachaelmiller6506]

I thought they were going to have to decide which of the 12 of them they would sentence to death lmaaao

[@areebmasoodi8932]

I thought they were going to do more cases. Was interested to see what they would say if there was a rapist case or something

[@Sai-qg3sc]

What the heck lol

[@carolinalorenzo-ortiz3708]

Rachael Miller To be honest, me too 😂

[@hellodarknessmyoldfriend.8704]

ngl same

[@mitjamackenzie1219]

Me too lol

[@deaf_bear]

It’s crazy to me that some people think that a psychopathic serial killer is gonna sit in jail think about his actions

[@sana-ns2ve]

in a real case, cynthia would be excused from the jury because of her emotional attachment to gun violence

[@anonymousvideostar2075]

but she literally said that she asked the jury to not execute her son’s shooter i-

[@sana-ns2ve]

anonymousvideostar i’m aware, but in a court setting you are excused if you have anything that might indicated bias! doesn’t matter which way. they want you to be impartial

[@Bobo-jy5mg]

sana everyone here was biased... this was a political argument not what should be done according to the law. And according to the law, capital punishment is the result of this crime.

[@KennadyKrea]

This is youtube though did you forget? 🤣

[@Mh-xe1zh]

Kennady Krea she didn’t...that’s why her first sentence was “if this was a real case “

[@ilycrzyg1rl]

“Mental health” is always the first excuse when it comes to murder cases

[@mattyvrapsofficial]

It's a crisis that should be addressed. Not an excuse, but a reason.

[@serendipitousdestruction5266]

Kayla’s World Fun fact, less than half of the people that plead insanity actually succeed in doing so.

[@ip815]

I think in some cases it is needed. Everyone is capable of murder, were they mentally healthy or not. But case like this, where the person shoots up a school, is the person almost always mentally disturbed. No mentally healthy person would do that, most likely they were bullied or had experienced some kind of a traumatic event in the school. Same thing with serial killers, no mentally healthy person does that.

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa790]

Yes, because they understand the importance of psychology better than you do.

[@NoName-cc9cy]

I P mentally ill People are more likely to be victims of violent crime

[@sophiasocolov7139]

“See now you’re trippin” hahaha

[@taasinbinhossainalvi9173]

What js funny 😁 😂?? I don’t understand 🤔

[@BernardoBlue]

@@taasinbinhossainalvi9173 That expression isn't usually used by women of Cynthia's age

[@shuzennn]

I lost itttttt 😂 BUT she speaks like she knows the truth and answer to everything which is off putting

[@aestheticgarbage6671]

iSkillzPT uh, yes it is. it's slang used by black americans and it has been for literally ages. black slang has been appropriated by pretty much everybody now to the point that people don't even know where it came from :/

[@taasinbinhossainalvi9173]

@@aestheticgarbage6671 so sad :((

[@marii5050]

“Gave him the chance to change.” Like he gave those 4 dead students a chance 🙄

[@johnnyenglish1264]

Two wrongs don't make a right

[@Masterduel012]

@@johnnyenglish1264 they do - * - = +

[@crator3550]

@@johnnyenglish1264 murder isn’t wrong because it’s murder. we determine whether murder is wrong or justified based on OTHER factors. murder isn’t wrong by itself.

[@johnnyenglish1264]

@@crator3550 Nope. There's no justification except for self defence. Death penalty has been abolished in many countries all over the world.

[@mountainwhale8173]

@@johnnyenglish1264 based^

[@Nick-em3kq]

Cynthia seriously impressed me. She had a firm position with a reason to back it up, but also her comment at the end about the younger people being hopeful and how that was a good thing was so insightful.

[@theonlyonewithgum1452]

Yeah, I like how she could peacefully disagree with them on this case that touched her personally and even compliment the folks after. She's a good person.

[@maia9456]

if Cynthia personally knew someone who was murdered wouldn’t she have a bias and not be allowed to be in the jury?

[@nusaibahbari5735]

But isn't that the point of democracy? We all have our biases and that helps us make decisions most of us are happy with.

[@missyblue4966]

THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SCREAMING FOR THE LAST 5 MINUTES

[@bridie7665]

Maia you can have bias, just as long as its not related to this specific case. If it was her son then she wouldn’t be allowed or if she read a newspaper article about it then she would not be allowed to be a part of the jury because of bias. Her situation is similar but still seperate. However she would probably be culled from the jury by lawyers because she does have such a strong view. Lawyers have been known to hand pick jurors specifically based on bias however

[@madisengames]

Bridie Actually if they have any similar situations that could emotionally charge their stance they aren’t allowed on the jury

[@Xxmilkshake202xX]

Nope. The defense and prosecution would probably both want her. She was able to say don’t put him to death.

[@liav8452]

another interesting aspect: there are many countries with less shootings etc and these countries don't have death penalty I think the access to guns is the problem, not the death penalty

[@dontknow8548]

We need Guns to protect ourselves

[@user-mz6lw2qk2b]

Slippy1x To protect yourself from who?

[@hollyg7346]

Yeh exactly in Europe 2016 53 died from mass shootings where as 392 died in America. Keep in mind Europe has double the population size

[@user-mz6lw2qk2b]

Shem Casimir Every person outside the US also need to protect themselves from people like that yet we still don’t have guns and there’s no need for them. No wonder we don’t have mass shootings every couple of weeks.

[@mollykashyap6532]

@Shem Casimir all of which could also have a gun and could be much less dangerous without one. some of those might not even exist in numbers as much as they do bc they're not as confident without guns and hence don't try to do the things they would do.

[@benjamincox2456]

They were so mean to Cynthia. Wouldn’t let her talk and when she did talk they twisted her words and bullied her

[@xxtriggazupxx2423]

That’s why I hate millennials they always think they are right

[@moelopez270]

@@xxtriggazupxx2423 I hope my generation (Gen Z) don’t turn out to be even worse.

[@xxtriggazupxx2423]

@@moelopez270 same that’s my generation too, and tbh there’s a lot that remind me of millennials

[@pottedplantae8085]

@@moelopez270 Gen Z is even worse than Millenials.

[@Crankey239]

TBF, she dominated a lot of the conversation and a couple of her arguments were purely based on emotional value despite "focusing on only the facts."

[@ashketchum1377]

This video should be titled “cynthia vs millenials”

[@JJ-iu1tj]

boomer vs millennials

[@xenia_maria]

when the older woman opened up about her son’s death it makes sense why she would be pro-death penalty it’s hard not to legitimize revenge and separate emotions when you have had someone unjustly taken from you in a similar way

[@foxobsession96212]

It's also interesting to think that the defending lawyer definitely wouldn't have allowed her on the jury, so her opinions would never have been heard in a real case.

[@cohenfromdiscord2551]

StaciMay i doubt this this ... I don’t think she has enough bias to be dismissed from the jury. In fact, I would speculate to say in the event the story was slightly altered to where only 1 person was killed in a dispute she would have been more inclined for life in prison verses the excesses of murders that took place that swayed her to select the death penalty.

[@user-lu4xp7iv8c]

xenia I feel so bad for her 😢

[@foxobsession96212]

@@cohenfromdiscord2551 I'm just saying, from my experience on jury duty, the lawyers tend to quickly dismiss jurors that have any past events that could be related to the case.

[@shalomjackie192]

Don’t other counties have lower rates of mass shootings because guns are banned not because of public executions

[@5secondsofonedirection206]

And because socio-economic problems are less of a problem

[@newwi6456]

the woman literally talked nonsense right there lmao. Where the hell are the mass shooting rates lower because of public executions?! I agree with you that it's the guns that have the most influence

[@5secondsofonedirection206]

@@newwi6456 muslim, authoritarian countries lol. She picked a hell of a hill to die on

[@cbarlow1016]

yes

[@faszkivan1]

yup

[@ajinkyabhasme]

This is the problem with someone who understands mental health only partially. As a forensic psychologist, the defense of insanity doesn't always work, even if the mental health of a convict is questionable, the degree of the crime determines the punishment while noting the other clauses. The construct of the society is heavily based on punishment and very less on restorative justice. Restorative justice works on non-psychopathic personalities. The crime in question was impulsive and disorganized, there are high chances that the person will act on their impulses again under situations of relaxed supervision. Capital punishment is usually considered for intentional, multiple murders not only as a form of punishment but also as a message sent to the society to keep people in line of social construct. Of course then there is the question that who gave you the right to make that decision, murder for murder is hypocritical, etc. But by that logic, there should exist no law, no order and we should live like animals to fend for ourselves, gather our own food and truly live by 'survival of the fittest' argument. Delivering justice is not a mathematical formula where you say, 'Oh, personality disorder? Relaxed sentence.' The punishment is always delivered considering ALL the factors. I've been in prisons and isolation cells of the highest degree criminals, there is no empathy or remorse there, they don't mind the isolation and enjoy the food, water, electricity and occasional books and crossword, do these half baked mental health experts think that such criminals would have a harder time living with themselves in the prison and be ridden with guilt?

[@cassandrarivera9892]

“you’re going to send him to death without asking those questions” gave me 12 angry men vibes

[@areebmasoodi8932]

Bro everyone keeps talking about 12 angry men. Is that a book or something? And did like everyone read it in highschool or something??

[@miri.turner]

Areeb Masoodi it’s a Movie, look for it on KZbin, we watched it in school but if you like the series you’d probably enjoy the movie as well

[@user-mz6lw2qk2b]

Areeb Masoodi Its a film but there’s also a play version. We studied this in 11th grade in high school.

[@cassandrarivera9892]

Areeb Masoodi it’s a play most people read in high school. it’s really great

[@amandabisby3546]

I thought about this too lol especially since my school is putting on the stage play in a couple months

[@Whatever71315]

If this were a real jury they would have to dismiss Cynthia, the older woman, because of the conflict of interest. Sad but you see in the video her personal experience influenced other people’s decisions and eventually would influence the defendant, who has the right to fair trial and the jury is apart of the trial.

[@aishaquadrelli8166]

That were exactly my toughts i searched for this comment

[@Ratchet4647]

True, but they'd still see the crying mothers in the audience and maybe even on the stand.

[@christinequianrendon5495]

True cuz her experience can impact other people's decision But its good to hear her say that, she's like that one woman who survived a world War and share her story to children

[@Hirohito_iLoveYou]

There’s a vetting process to selecting jurors so she probably wouldn’t have been selected to serve on a murder trial to begin with.

[@carlotripp5934]

A very valid point, yet a very double edged sword. In actual trials, she would be excluded as a conflict of interest due to her background, but so would many of the people on this "jury", being that in real court cases, if someone is categorically opposed to the imposition of capital punishment (as quite a couple of these people are), then they would be instantly stricken during the voir dire lapse of the pre-trial. Truth be told, I think this videos greatest shortcoming is its dichotomy between the people reaching a conclusion based upon their moral values, and those finding a conclusion based upon the equanimitous guidelines of an actual trial- in other words, should your opinion on the death penalty support or dominate your final verdict?

[@glitterpromise798]

So technically both sides are saying "Life for a Life" but in different ways. Lol.

[@jayobsia4699]

This criminal should get the death sentence. He didn't "make a mistake." He committed pre-mediated murder. That means he thought about his crime (killing his own classmates), planned it out, and made his decision to carry it out. What he did represents who he is, truly.

[@durt_the_gurt]

I just wanna bring up the point that the old lady said, she claimed that a death sentence would make people think twice about mass shootings, but seeing how many shooters shoot themselves afterwards I don't think they truly think about the implications or consequences of their actions in that moment.

[@aradiiiah]

this is literally so important i kept thinking about that

[@mrkoala5127]

Thank you, this is probably the biggest consideration in the video but was not brought up unfortunately.

[@beccareid4816]

Veronika Ptackova just about to comment this, other school shooters look to these people as martyrs which is awful, but it happens.

[@wraith0072]

You cannot tell me that with the billions of people on this planet that fear of capital punishment has not deterred at least one person that was contemplating murder...and stopping even that one person means that a life was saved.

[@MegaSLIPKNOTMASTER]

@@mackenzie_nicole7900 Mass shooters know that they probably will die when they do it. Convencional killers do care about their lives enough to hide.

[@kaitlynbarlow7903]

Not everything is “mental health”, sometimes it’s just a genuine choice. Simple.

[@masond1253]

well that is up to a phyciatrist to decide

[@gameyraindrop9661]

Mental conditions don’t necessarily mean that you have an illness, that simple decision is coming from a condition, unhealthy, uncommon or not, or just a condition found in everybody

[@pancovilla6387]

@@masond1253 most psychiatrist do things based on their own beliefs. This isn't a hard science

[@will-iv8yq]

nah someone doesn’t murder someone unless their mental health is fucked, not an excuse but can’t exclude it

[@Magst3r1]

But it mostly is

[@krissywilliams1714]

they literally said you’re not supposed to use emotion when making a decision but as soon cynthia saw no one was agreeing with her, she dropped that story

[@kyllie1234]

Krissy Williams i felt that too. but unfortunately “not using emotions” to determine a verdict, just isn’t realistic.

[@krissywilliams1714]

Bria Carter true. you’re right about that.

[@maldad9073]

@@kyllie1234 Very true, unless we have juries comprised of Vulcans.

[@lea-oi2qe]

@@maldad9073 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Stella3014]

True, I though I was the only one who caught that

[@DearAliya]

I feel the people who say "They will think about their actions for the rest of their life" have a very fairytale disney kiddy perspective on the human mind. It's extremely naive. Psychopaths and even your everyday bully don't go to bed regretting the pain they've put other people through. They literally think that what they do is justified and/or totally fine.

[@skyward8583]

Why are they trying to make him a victim

[@prodxarry]

sky ward even if he was bullied, if you were bullied would you just decide to pull out the ak when it’s not legal to pull out to begin with.

[@NoName-cc9cy]

Millennials nowadays

[@alyannadelacruz3354]

they don't

[@RuhiKarn]

Exactly! They cant justify it by saying he was young, were his actions young in any way when he tried to shoot them? no. Should he be treated like a young kid? no.

[@kayladeak1010]

@@NoName-cc9cy I feel that's very judgmental.

[@omaranwar8967]

Guy: killed 7 people. Them: he can improve and teach others. Ummm no. What will he teach them

[@professorhacker9452]

Exactly.

[@shubydoobydoo3212]

how to load an ak47

[@Charles-km7in]

How to sharpen a broom stick into a knife maybe

[@DaSticks]

@@shubydoobydoo3212 Jesus LMAO

[@flooow3409]

go watch beyond scared straight, ik it's reality TV but it's still a real thing that happens and you can see the prisoners greatly regretting what they did

[@tianguan]

"You don't know if there was abuse or neglect.." bruh he MURDERED people

[@jardelk5238]

@T Erhhh feel sorry for you tho u r strong af

[@neetfreek9921]

T Erhhh Cool, not everyone is as strong as you. Don’t fall into survivorship bias..

[@onemillionpercent]

@@neetfreek9921 okay agreed not everyone can be that strong, that doesn't excuse murder. he needed help but to take it out this way on innocent lives is never excusable. and i'm not saying you excused that necessarily, but just saying that not everyone can be that strong isn't applicable to the situation in the video tbh

[@yaskikhun7889]

@@onemillionpercent Very true.

[@zeniashanze1882]

Yeah and he's getting a punishment for it. Doesn't mean they shouldn't consider his situation. They should. That's how a jury works.

[@andough9753]

Cynthia’s closing statements are absolutely spot on; growing up means leaving behind that youthful optimism and becoming more realistic. It may mean having to find that sweet spot between the good and the necessary evil to find justice. I didn’t like the arguments from the life sentence people because they seemed to be almost afraid of revealing any of their Jungian subconscious evils and they were portraying themselves as upstanding people. They made it seem like their entire morality was in question if they chose the death penalty. It’s the Machiavellian lesson that the good do nothing and those who are able to deal with the necessary ‘evils’ are the ones who get things done. I was for the death penalty from the start and I’m glad Cynthia has a good and developed head on her shoulders.

[@elianderson3450]

Rehabilitation is a very naive hope, but still if we’re wanting realism, it doesn’t change the fact that life sentence is cheaper

[@Septiccatgaming]

“Your sense of consequence doesn’t develop until mid twenties” Umm, I’m pretty sure I knew that I’d get punished if I did something bad before I even turned 10. Why is this whole group trying to make it seem like it wasn’t the shooter’s fault when it clearly was?

[@katewolf00]

You may have known that but people with serious mental illness do not. They may not understand right vs wrong. They do not control their actions. Prison or death sentence is not the right path for them.

[@solcohen9042]

Yulissa Saber incorrect, they may not feel themselves that they’re wrong but they do know that what they did is wrong. They just won’t feel remorse. Ppl should be rehabilitated but not in all cases. Mass murder is one of those cases where I almost never have sympathy for u.

[@miguelgil8950]

Yulissa Saber no one ever said anything about mental health

[@sherrygray6979]

It the mental state of the shooter

[@ian-fh1ry]

Yulissa Saber it don’t matter it’s not fair to the kids who died he don’t deserve a future if 4 different people don’t get to either

[@benyji]

No cap Jubilee went big brain mode on this episode, keep up the stuff guys

[@cherrycola10986]

I feel like this isn’t an effective set up. They should be sat facing each other 12 angry men style

[@lordpaulcito2564]

Betty Pasewe YES

[@MlleKnobs]

Exactly what I thought!

[@user-qp1ri2yx4f]

Betty Pasewe yeah that’s how they’re set up in a court room but they move to a different room to face each other and decide a verdict

[@davidliu2243]

lol

[@jun-ws9lw]

YES