Can 2 Defiants Defeat a Star Wars Super Star Destroyer? - Star Trek Starship Battles

[@jcraig1701]

The fact that a super star destroyer is doing barrel rolls shows how broken that mod is lol. That thing should turn like the Empire State Building on ice.

[@enermaxstephens1051]

Not necessarily. If they have technology that can generate artificial gravity, and user hyperspace, not to mention myriad other seemingly magical technologies, it stands to reason they could make a big ship turn fast if they wanted to. Maybe not ridiculously fast or laughably fast, but fast.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

It’s not maneuvering, it’s glitchy. The camera is moving and the model is glitchy. They keep changing the focus point of the POV and the program can’t keep up with modeling something that size

[@jcraig1701]

@Matt-yg8ub at 2:40 he even declares "How can they turn that fast?" It wasn't just the camera. Plus to boot, camera rotation alone wouldn't cause the ships to collide.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

@@jcraig1701 If you want to go with the idea that the maneuvering on the model is broken….be my guest, but you can’t then assume that everything else about it is working fine.

[@jcraig1701]

@Matt-yg8ub oh I never presume everything works when mods are involved. It just breaks the immersion more when a SSD is ice skating around like an F-15 lol.

[@flyboymb]

Executor: "It can't have disappeared. No ship that small has a cloaking device." Defiant: "Maybe not in your universe."

[@Matt-yg8ub]

Can’t fire while it’s Cloaked and if it reappears it will be destroyed immediately.

[@deksroning125]

@@Matt-yg8ub The thing is that reaction times of Star Wars ships is not very good. Trek's reaction times are far quicker due to their superior computational capabilities, and far more advanced weapons with massive range (star Wars on the other hand has limited ranges of weapons mainly).

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Matt-yg8ub]

@@deksroning125 Range isn’t the issue, it’s the plot. Grand Admiral Thrawn once destroyed a ship on the other side of the solar system with turbo lasers. The issue is not the range of the weapons, it’s that most engagements in Star Wars happen at Close range because the plot dictates it and because the electronic warfare systems prevent accurately targeting things that far away. The two fleets are typically either fighting in orbit of a planet or in orbit of the Death Star. The Empire almost always has their back to whatever they are defending, and the rebels are almost always attacking from hyperspace with hit and run tactics. Going by visuals Star Trek rarely if ever engage anything beyond a dozen kilometers away. Obviously I’m aware of dialogue states much greater ranges, but you’re comparing the visuals for Star Wars and the dialogue for Star Trek. If you want to be intellectually, honest, you have to include the dialogue for both in which case Star Wars can shoot stuff from the other side of the solar system.

[@thelegendarysolocard]

@@flyboymb ironic that darth mauls ship, the schimitar had a cloak as did moff tarkins shuttle.

[@MisterMarin]

Wedge Antilles helped Luke Skywalker destroy the first Death Star. Wedge Antilles destroyed the second Death Star. Wedged Defiant helped the other Defiant destroy the Super Star Destroyer. Hmmm... I'm seeing a pattern here. 😛

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

@MisterMarin 🤣🤣🤣 Your a true Poet Mistermarin 😛

[@MisterMarin]

@@RetroBadgerGaming Jodie Foster's character Ellie Arroway in Contact was referring to me when she said "they should have sent a poet". 😉

[@Rob-el8ti]

can a battlestar beat that superstar ?

[@gicking3898]

So if I have wedged underpants, I can destroy a large Star Wars vessel? 😉

[@Boxanadu]

Wedge didn’t destroy the Second Death Star, Lando did.

[@JohnSmith-or8rh]

Part of the issue here is that Bridge Commander and the associated mods WON'T let the player use one of the Defiant's most important attribute: its maneuverability. Against much bigger ships, the Defiant appears to be able to dodge most of the firepower that was being fired at it (by skilled pilots such as Captain Sisko & Dax). In DS9 episodes such a "The Die Is Cast" and "Shattered Mirror", the Defiant ability to dodge weapons was its biggest asset, and enabled it to survive those encounters. But the game won't allow the player to zip around in their Defiant like THAT.

[@alexslgato1735]

The game allows that, and in fact KM has phaser innacuracy so if the Defiant moves fast enough on a proper trajectory it can dodge phasers too. You can easily see this example with a shuttle or a TARDIS. There is even a mod that affects at both beams and projectiles and basically allows a ship to not being hit with the proper technology. However what is true is that many of the mods I've seen make vessels slow to move and turn so unless the enemy ship has a broken sensor array or has that sensor array at below a certain energy point then it is more difficult to dodge.

[@JohnSmith-or8rh]

@@alexslgato1735 Sorry, but I disagree with part of that. Show me even ONE mod that accurately shows a "Sisko mode" like feature that would simulate what he did to that mirror Neg'var in "Shattered Mirror". Sisko literally was able to dodge DOZENS of shots from that Neg'Var while only receiving ONE glancing blow once he took the helm. So one glancing blow received/divided by about 36 shots = .0277 percent accuracy, which equals to a (1 - .0277) 97.2% inaccuracy rate, and I have NEVER seen any of these mods reflect that type of inaccuracy rate against a Defiant. However, a "Sisko vs Mirror Neg'var" Defiant mod would be REALLY interesting to see.

[@alexslgato1735]

@@JohnSmith-or8rh if you have Star Trek Bridge Commander Kobayashi Maru 2011.10 installed, you will know how commom and bothersome is Innacurate Phaser fire, to the point people actually try to find ways around it. In fact, RetroBadger was one of those players whose phaser shots were constantly missing a lot of time. Wasn't it, Retro?

[@Matt-yg8ub]

Which just tells you how shitty the targeting in Star Trek is if a 120 m vessel can dodge their fire. Also, Sisko is not a pilot. If you feel compelled to argue that bridge commander won’t allow the defiant to maneuver, I’m compelled to remind you that this scenario also limits the star destroyer to only firing a tiny fraction of its weapons at any given time.

[@JohnSmith-or8rh]

@@Matt-yg8ub Wrong. First of all, if we start nitpicking "targeting" in Star Trek, then we ALSO would have to start mentioning the improbability of how so many of the main characters can survive MOST of their trials and tribulations that they go through without a higher causality rate, etc. Also, MOST people would have difficulty in shooting smaller targets such as bees/flies, which is what the Defiant would be in comparison to much larger ships. Regarding the Star Destroyer, in looking at the Star Wars movies, these mods look pretty accurate to me. Those Star Destroyers were rarely able to hit those smaller Rebels ships, which is why one was able to crash into their command center and destroyed a Star Destroyer in "Return Of Th Jedi".

[@Hierachy]

The SSD should be a very tough target to take down, my only gripe with this implementation of the ship is: -its too manuverable, maybe in a straight line, but its ability should be slower. -it should not have those 2 foreward facing heavy/super-heavy turbolasers. a more 'accurate' way depict the SSD is something more resembling the scimitar; with lots of turbo-lasers, ion cannons and several torpedo systems (a.k.a. Concussion missile launchers). but with no cloak, unless they want to model one of the Executor's sister ships, forgot which one had a cloak.

[@Katvanished]

the terror had a cloaking device I belive at a quick glance. turn speed could definitely be something that's too high, SW accell is pretty good though. and yeah- the SSD's weapon compliment is... yes

[@Hierachy]

@@Katvanished yeah it was the terror, but there was an unnamed ssd in rogue squardren III, that ship had 3 devices on board

[@Matt-yg8ub]

An Imperial supers star destroyer is covered in thousands of turbolaser batteries, it doesn’t matter which direction Defiant is attacking from it should come under return fire from at least a dozen turbo lasers at any given moment. The amount of fire that they can put out would take down a dominion battleship in short order, let alone a tiny federation escort vessel. The Absolute only chance the Defiant has here is to dump all of its torpedoes into a weak point and hope to be able to penetrate the shields and destroy the bridge before being hit with return fire.

[@thelegendarysolocard]

@@Hierachy i believe that was the icy kiss

[@WardenWolf]

@@Matt-yg8ub I love both ST and SW, but when you really deeply analyze it, the Enterprise-D versus an Imperial cruiser would go off about as well as a Viking longship versus a guided missile destroyer. If nothing else, factor in the energy levels involved (how much power to effectively move and operate something of that size, etc.) and how long space travel has been common in each universe. When you start looking at it that way, things don't look too good for the Star Trek ships.

[@thelegendarysolocard]

I should also add there seems to be many types of shields in canon Star Wars, we see what 6 of them just in episode 1 alone, probably a dozen more in legends.

[@src6339]

One defiant to systematically target and disable all the star destroyers critical systems and the second to corden off the area to prevent civilian casualties? In theory it should be totally possible for a single baseline defiant to tear a super star destroyer to shreds with minimal effort, but taking into accout how the ships are typically shown to be used on screen, and the limitations imposed on them in game, it all plays in favour of the star destroyer. Canonically every ship in startrek should be fully capable of utilising a dozen method of neutralising or otherwise bypassing every defensive measure a star destroyer has. The defiant in particular also has enhanced manouvability, a smaller target profile and a cloaking device. Couple that with how starwars capital ships are, for theatrical reasons, deliberately designed to be vulnerable to attack from smaller vessels, and it all paint a picture of the smaller, weaker yet more agile, insanely accurate, hard hitting, warp capable, invisible ship, with telepotation technology, designed specifically to analyse and hone in on weak points, to quickly take the win. But conversely, i've never seen any member of starfleet in the show thats fully cognizant of what the ship theyre in is capable of during any combat scinario. The defiant getting wrecked because they tried to go toe to toe with a massively more powerful vessel like a freaking super star destroyer is actually the most realistic outcome of this engagement 🤔

[@hailstormrising1634]

Reminds me of a bit from the dominion war when the jem hadar battleships make their debut, a lone ship crewed by fresh ones tried to take it on in pretty much that exact manner. They id a weakspot where extra fuel was stored and tried to bulrush it. The poor ship was immediately pummeled to bits having done little more than scratching the paint. They have to fight it like they do with the borg, the size and firepower is immense even with it's short comings, it'd take a co operative action to bring it low. Just one ship running it down won't work.

[@intifadha27]

Quantum torpedoes would have torn the SSD in half.

[@BrianGriffinQuahog]

TNG era phasers would slice through, photons and quantum would devastate

[@Matt-yg8ub]

Consider this …. Quantum Torpedos are typically rated in the ballpark of 70MT. A SD used its light trench mounted guns to vaporize a 40m wide asteroid in the empire strikes back within 1/15 of a second resulting in a lower limit of 22,500 terra watts of energy for a light turbo laser. In case you’re curious, that’s 18,000 MT. Even just going by the destruction of Caamas following the Clone Wars, the damage done by each bolt from the light cannons was roughly 180MT. In the rebellion on Gra Ploven the star destroy Forger fires into the ocean creating clouds of steam that killed 200,000 people in the coastal cities. That equates to approximately 180MT for the heavy cannons despite firing through an atmosphere. In short….. pretty much any hit from any of the thousands of turbolasers on an SSD imparts FAR more energy than a Quantum Torpedo ever could.

[@BrianGriffinQuahog]

@@Matt-yg8ub That's a lot of words to be wrong with

[@intifadha27]

The power of a turbo laser has nothing to do with anything dude. A full spread of quantum torpedoes would DEVASTATE a SSD. And that is not even getting to phased. Quantums or tricobalts.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

@@intifadha27 Tricobalt weaponry is basically a modified asteroid mining explosive…..not useful against shields. Quantum Torpedos have a estimated yield in the ballpark of 70MT. Even a lite turbo laser is upwards of 170MT. Realistically an SSD is a vessel that mounts thousands of turbolasers and shields capable of taking hits from other vessels carrying hundreds of turbo lasers. It took Star Trek an entire fleet of Cardasians and Romulan Warbirds to even attempt to do what a single ISD can do by itself in an hour.

[@Mojje42]

why does the SSD not use it's tractor beams? just grab on to the Defiant and when it's held in place and open up with all guns until it's obliterated

[@subspace666]

it probably needs the shields to be down , guessing the tractor can't grab on an energy field. think star wars and star trek shields are not the same. think the shields in star wars act more like a very powerful deflector. shields in star wars would probably fair pretty bad against weapons that don't have an electric charge assuming the weapons can damage something so massive in the first place. i think phasers would be ineffective not sure for other weapons of other races / types like disruptors and so on. but i think photon/quantum torpedoes would be very deadly if not deflected by star wars shields.

[@paulmason614]

"Woah Woah Woah where's the front of my defiant gone." Not something the crew wants to hear from the captain!

[@raven4k998]

why does the main reactor last a lot longer then in the movies?😭😭

[@beardedchimp]

The front defi fell off, what is this? A ship for ant?

[@SnugglehPuppeh]

All these Star Wars ships are grossly overpowered in these mods. A regular Star Destroyer ought to be Enterprise-era tier if that. The weapons are targeted by human eyes. The ships fly so slowly a human can reasonably fly one by hand. The tech is an order of magnitude less advanced than what we observe in TOS era Trek, let alone TNG era.

[@louisbabycos106]

Blame "Star Wars Incredible Cossections " ( ICS) being a canon source for Star wars firepower by George Lucas . ICS unfortunately quashed all meaningful debate in the Star wars vs Star Trek debates . Pre-ICS calcs anyone could argue one way or the other . Post ICS calcs ruined any notion Star Trek taking star Wars ships on a one on one basis .

[@nickpage8742]

Agreed and it was stated lazers wouldn't get though the deflector shield let alone the main shields in canon

[@pyronuke4768]

Star Wars weapons being targeted by the bare eye is a vast oversimplification spread by trekkies to make their fandom sound better. In-universe, Star Wars has fire-control computers that give lead, deflection, even fire prompts and commands. It's in the little starfighters and point-defense batteries where line of sight targeting comes up, as a back-up for the latter and because the craft are too small for a dedicated system in the former. That's where the camera focuses since that's where the spectacle is. (I've noticed the ways WARS and TREK like to present themselves are two very different manners. WARS is all about the spectacle, the adventure, the fantasy element. TREK on the other hand likes to present a problem, sit down for an hour to discuss what it is they're missing, and try to solve the issue by the end. The two fanbases interact and react in much the same ways.)

[@s.patrickmarino7289]

The Death Star would probably be able to take out Kirk's first Enterprise. The Death Cone of planet blasting outclassed his ship. He basically won by changing the rules of the game. By the time of the refit, I suspect the bowling ball of doom would be an annoyance. By TNG, a drunk cadet in a shuttle might take the Death Star out as a prank.

[@Anarchist86ed]

Nope, not even NX era. Star destroyers don't have the firepower to take out the millennium falcon. The NX-01 has phase cannons, which are particle weapons and also could target two targets at a time, and it was also... later on armed with crude photon torpedoes which are anti-matter weapons. The star destroyer could never match an NX class firepower, and even if it could the NX still had transporters which could more than likely transport an explosive onto a destroyer since their shields do not appear to be very strong or particularly effective. And also all Captain Archer would have to do is park the Enterprise behind the destroyer and target the engines. By the way, fun fact, in the audio remake of star wars they called the proton torpedoes Photon torpedoes.

[@RedneckRapture]

The problem with this is that there’s a major buff in the SSD’s firepower to make the mod fun. If you actually look at what the various weapons in Star Trek and Star Wars do, you’ll see that Star Wars really doesn’t stand a chance at all even against a small Federation ship. Turbolasers are plasma weapons, relatively low energy ones at that in terms of energy delivered on target. Everything in Star Wars is designed around that, with shielding and armor designed to dissipate thermal energy. A phaser is a matter disintegration weapon that disrupts the Strong Nuclear Force. Star Wars has no defense against that. Photon Torpedoes are shaped charge, high annihilation rate matter/antimatter weapons. The explosive force would rip through entire decks of a Star Wars ship. Meanwhile, weapons similar to what this SSD uses were shown on a Mirror Universe episode of Enterprise, firing on an unshielded, powered down hull of a Constitution class ship and doing very little. The question isn’t going to be ‘How can the Defiant defeat a Super Star Destroyer?” It’s going to be ‘How many minutes will it take the Defiant to win?”

[@warwolf88]

if this was an actual battle between these 2 the defiant would be in zero danger because the destroyer would be unable to track it with it's guns

[@Matt-yg8ub]

Statistically speaking, the thousands of weapons on that star destroyer could just point the general direction of the defiant and hit it by volume alone, even if they weren’t already perfectly capable of tracking it. This isn’t Trek where the ship only has one or two main weapons and a small ship can just bank like it’s an 80’s dogfight and be reasonably sure the enemy will miss. A SSD can put out a veritable wall of plasma and make close range strafing runs from the Defiant a suicidal prospect

[@warwolf88]

@@Matt-yg8ub if the gunners can hit a target as small and fast as the defiant then they must be force sensitive

[@Matt-yg8ub]

@@warwolf88 More like if they can hit the hero ship …..the writers need to step up their game. The Defiant is the same size and relative speed as the Falcon…..and Vader wanted them captured, not killed. HUGE difference in how they are engaged.

[@warwolf88]

@@Matt-yg8ub huge difference between the defiant and the falcom

[@Matt-yg8ub]

@@warwolf88 well yeah one of them is faster and more maneuverable but only carries quad lasers.

[@heyhayhi1]

The Defiant class was built for battle with the Borg. I think a Star Destroyer would be a cake walk for one Defiant.

[@ryansaylor6043]

You should try a dark timeline fleet vs Section 31 fleet.

[@raven4k998]

just click land on target and call it a day😭😭

[@davidmccracken4308]

Thank you so much for reading my suggestion and following through with it❤❤

[@kadindarklord]

Let's be clear. According to Star Wars Lore. The 'Lasers' in Star Wars are actually more like Plasma. In fact, in the EU, they were plasma bolts, rather than 'lasers.'

[@chriscepec1655]

I wish people would stop doing these crossover battles between Star Trek/ Star wars, Babylon 5, Battlestar, Galactica etc. Because modders always make their preferred universe the best regardless of the data. As someone who grew up watching Star wars then Galactica even I knew that Star Trek was Superior in tech

[@adcraziness1501]

They can't do it accurately but if it's close enough to be fun to watch, that's okay. Sure there are some that I watch and think "it wouldn't go down that way" but seeing them fight is the fun part.

[@Terri4hell]

Your videos litterally help me taking my mind of things. So awesome! thx 😅

[@Jarsia]

The SSD seriously needs to have it's maneuverability nerfed

[@sabrevanson4412]

ya, that speed of turning on that ship was ridiculous.

[@chow-chihuang4903]

At those rates, parts of the ship should be breaking off.

[@MisterMarin]

I take it you prefer classic HDDs over SSDs? 😉

[@Thurgosh_OG]

@@MisterMarin I go for NVMe, for the Hyperspeed myself...😉

[@MisterMarin]

@@Thurgosh_OG [nods] Smart. 😉

[@dahlesa]

Oh....the classic square torpedos have returned. It has been 2 years since i have seen them.

[@heartattackjack9349]

I think it's the piloting ability of the game itself. There is a limit from keyboard controls, while a Federation pilot would be able to do a sweeping run, strafe from left to right, or back again, to avoid the big guns, and the smaller turrets. Since the fighters can slip inside the energy screens, a small ship like the Defiant should be able to as well. Don't forget how a small fighter took out the super star destroyer and made it crash into the Death Star by taking out the bridge.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

Two custom Dark timeline ships with vastly increased weaponry still couldn’t do the job without being allowed to just hammer away without return fire for as long as it took

[@user-roninwolf1981]

With dreadnoughts like the Executor-Class, you should engage them with a taskforce of at least 5 ships (not fighters) (going by Star Trek Online type of engagements). Try a combination of these types: -Defiant-Class -Akira-Class -Galaxy-Class -Sovereign-Class -Steamrunner-Class -Saber-Class -Excelsior-Class Retrofit -Odyssey-Class

[@EvilXero359]

If this ever happened then we all know that Benjamin Sisko would go all out to try and get either the Klingon firing cloak or the Reman Scimitar cloak. What would be a nice addition to the Defiant's armament would be the Predator's plasma cannons outfitted or configured with dark matter plasma

[@samuelkeplinger9888]

Multiple classes of the Super Star Destroyer. . . Executor, Eclipse Resurgent to name a couple

[@Sephiroth144]

Disagree; the SSD refers exclusively to the Executor line; Eclipses, Assertors, the various Mandators, etc are Star Dreadnoughts. (Though the Resurgent is simply a new type of Star Destroyer- no super nor Dreadnought in its classification)

[@Windrave]

You would think that the best way to beat this with a Defiant-Class ship would be to enter within the shield bubble, park the ship on one of the SSD's structures in the direction of the target so as the SSD's own weapons can't turn to target (either due to they can't or that they risk hitting their own ship) and then go to town blowing out each key part of the ship. Hell, if that were possible one would just go and land next to the main reactor and start firing.

[@PowerControl]

They are only firing with lasers. Not even x-ray lasers like in this one episode. They should not be able to harm a defiant. ("But, but, but... these are turbo lasers! With plasma...!")

[@darwinism8181]

Funny, those lasers don't seem to act like any laser I've ever seen. Maybe expecting them to behave exactly like lasers when they clearly don't is silly.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

Turbolasers are closer to Romulan Plasma torpedos than they are lasers.

[@kevinwestrom4775]

Id love to see a battle of the Executor Super Star Destroyer vs 2 Galaxy-x classes from hell, 2 Sovereign-x classes, the Kyoto, & the CSS Worldrazer. See if their firepower & shields can stand up to the Empire's SSD firepower.

[@michaelbarnard8529]

All Star Trek ships fight at warp speeds with weapons that hit at ranges of light minutes. Star Wars ships all fight at very low sublight speeds (like a few hundred m/s) with weapons that can’t seem to hit anything beyond a few kilometers of range (though they sometimes bump it up to a few hundred km to shoot at planet surfaces from above the atmosphere. Basically, all the Star Wars ships can do is hyperdrive to somewhere else. Otherwise, they are just sitting ducks.

[@jamespointon1856]

Love your vids. But could I ask were can i download the dark timeline ships from thanks

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

Thanks! They haven't actually been released yet. The author is still currently developing them. 🖖

[@thepoliticalstartrek]

Does the Defiant have the Warhead feature where it loads all of its torpedoes in the front and shot it. Never used in show but a feature. It could destroy a entire planet.

[@UncommonKnowledge587]

This was fun, especially all the collisions 😂🖖

[@Matt-yg8ub]

@@UncommonKnowledge587 it’s Canon that the executor itself survived three ISD‘s ramming into it on exit from Hyperspace and it’s shields held against the impact. There’s very little possibility that a defiant class ship would be more than a speed bump for something the size of an executor

[@177SCmaro]

These things get taken down so easily in the movies at this point I'd expect a handful of torpedo Swordfish to be able to blow up a star destroyer.

[@blitzkrieg237]

I think a Borg Cube, or a Herald Vonph would be a more interesting matchup for the Star destroyer.

[@MrLboscar127]

How many Malon freighters are needed to destroy a super star destroyer? Idea for a video....

[@brojajacra]

Love how when you switched to the other defiant suddenly the SSD isnt moving or firing.

[@thebaccathatchews]

This is situations where a fleet of Defiants are needed, attacking in a swarm.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

Even then, a fleet of tiny vessels like that wouldn’t stand much of a chance against the absolute wall of firepower that is a superstar destroyer. You need literally an entire fleet of them on each one of them would need to be a hero vessel with plot shield in order to survive. They all basically need to be Babylon 5 white stars with cutting edge vorlon weaponry, and ludicrous aerobatic capabilities in order to stand any chance whatsoever

[@davidprinzing8059]

That SSD is way too agile. On the topic of shield penetration, I think it might be possible with a ship if you were able to match shield grids for a moment. Kind of like two bubbles joining. Star Trek has done this several times with warp fields and shield grids but it seems like you need either inside information, joint effort or both. In the Star Wars universe, I think joining shield bubbles is probably impossible, however they also don't tend to raise shields on big ships unless they absolutely have to due to the massive power draw that it takes. So... maybe they just had their shields on low power and you were able to punch through?

[@hailstormrising1634]

The shields in star wars are technically always on, it's about the power level it's set at, which there are a lot of shield types an functions. But in general, the shield strength is determined by activity, in sense, if they're traveling, combat shields are low, no need for them to be at ready. When they raise the shields, they are bring the power levels to combat ready. Not off per say, just not full power. Far as I'm aware most ships in star wars can run the shields on high for as long as they want, the power is there, it's just considered a waste of it and unneeded strain on the systems which will damage any ship any scifi.

[@ThatMetalheadMan]

I wonder if there are any Borg Kingdom mods for the game. Super Star Destroyer vs the big red cube.

[@Allosaurus87]

that's not a flying city, it's a flying nation

[@LandonOakley-d9c]

An Imp star deuce has tractor beams and ion cannons that would easily incapacitate the Defiant and its "navigational array."

[@fireball75677]

the dark timeline ships are unreasonably cool! maybe the super star destroyer uses a bunch of giant kyber crystals to power the shields making them as strong as lightsabers if not more?

[@GlorfindelofGondolin]

To be fair, you are taking on a capital ship designed to take on whole fleets with a pair of ships designed to attack single targets in squadrons.

[@valor1omega]

Seems to me the modders made the SW ships way op.

[@Arvivez]

Yeah who ever modded the star wars ships are extremely biased. The ships are pathetically weak in comparison to star trek.

[@pyronuke4768]

Spoken like a true Trekkie. Yes I agree in BC the Star Wars mods are ridiculously OP, however as a fan of both franchises I've found trying to make an unbiased assessment of which series's tech is better to be apples and oranges; both in how the hardware/software works and how the writers go about presenting the in-universe laws.

[@Arvivez]

@@pyronuke4768 in star wars most of the capital ships main armaments are manually aimed and traversed with 0 computers aids. Also it’s shields are almost non existent as fighters and asteroids can wipe out star destroyers with ease ( collisions ). Star trek has far greater weapons and capabilities in combat compared to Star wars

[@pyronuke4768]

@@Arvivez you've never read a Star Wars book, have you? The Rouge Squadron series is a good place to start if you're into spaceship tech. The eyes-only targeting is reserved for short range weapons like starfighters and point-defense canons. The bigger weapons do have a fire-control computer doing all the fine adjustments. The on-site personnel are there mostly for maintenance, but they can take over for local control if something goes wrong. One thing Star Wars tech has over Trek is in AI. Yes, Trek is more automated than Wars is, however machine learning and sentient AI's are a dime a dozen in the Wars universe. Droids are literally viewed like slave labor/ second class citizens. Heck, it's recommended you put restraining bolts on your floor cleaners just so they don't grow beyond their programming. As for asteroids - those Star Destroyers had spent literal DAYS, possibly WEEKS in that asteroid field in the month Empire Strikes Back canonically takes place over. And don't get me started on how inconsistent Star Trek writers are with how effective their weapons are.

[@Arvivez]

@@pyronuke4768 written by a fan. Star wars is literally a soft sci fi kinda like a diet coke or alcohol free version. I have read a couple of books as my brother is a big star wars fans. I do enjoy the old star wars but it’s literally got 0 actually science involved.

[@pyronuke4768]

@@Arvivez Star Wars is at its core a fantasy adventure with a little Sci fi thrown into the mix. Star Trek is a hard Sci fi drama for science people who like to debate stuff. Maybe that's why the two fandoms have a hard time getting along.

[@matthewhuish2568]

I have requested many times, could you do the shrike vs the remen vessel scimitar please

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

The shrike isn't in bridge commander yet. That will certainly be the first battle I do, when it is. 🖖

[@matthewhuish2568]

@RetroBadgerGaming fantastic, I really look forward to it, I watch your videos every night, they are fantastic.

[@TrentonBennett]

I don't know how realistic this would be. Quantum torpedoes are way stronger than the Star Destroyers weapons and even shields for that matter. Two Defiant's from the prime timeline should have been able to defeat the Super Star Destroyer with ease. That's just me though.

[@pyronuke4768]

I don't know, Star Trek writers have always been a little fast and loose with how effective weapons are, based on what the script calls for the particular episode.

[@Thurgosh_OG]

@@pyronuke4768 Defiants were made to successfully battle Borg Cubes, which are much more powerful than any SSD, so it's the game mods that are OP for SW ships.

[@pyronuke4768]

@@Thurgosh_OG not alone. In First Contact the Defiant was part of a larger fleet battle against a single cube and was specifically called out to be "adrift but salvageable" by the end.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

What do you base that opinion on? A single imperial Star Destroyer can liquify the crust of planet in a single hour. We saw Star Trek trying to attempt that and they needed an entire fleet of the largest vessels available in the alpha quadrant…. And they still failed to do it.

[@Gunnar001]

@@Matt-yg8ubTwenty Romulan/Cardassian ships destroyed twenty percent of a planet’s crust in an few second opening volley. We seen Star Destroyers orbital bombardments a few times in the shows/movies now and they’ve been…pretty pathetic.

[@TheIndyTrekker]

All starships Enterprise, the Discovery, Cerritos, Defiant, and Voyager vs the Super Star destroyer!

[@martinadams9119]

I think you should use the Galaxy x for hell on that super star destroyer 😂

[@dragonback6075]

Would love to see the SULACO from Aliens in full action 👍

[@captainspire9094]

As every Star Wars nerd screams "That's A Sensor dome not a Shield Dome!"

[@Outlawstar79]

I get they want to keep the SW ships some how relevant but a Defiant Class ship would have made literal nuts and bolts out even a SSD. The shield grid would not be able to handle the raw power of the pulse phasers and just about every weapon shot at a ST ship would be pushed out of the way via the deflector more so if it was turbo laser based. So if you are doing mods for this you will have to nerf the SW ships to slightly lower than base TOS fed ship standards. Great Video however.

[@SWPOTC1298]

One of the easiest giveaways that someone hasn't done their research is when they think turbolasers are actually lasers. Star Wars weaponry isn't lasers. I'll say that I think it's impossible to compare the tech of the two franchises, but if we HAD to, an argument in favor of wars is that Star Wars hyperdrive technology, which is a very common technology and not at all rare or advanced, makes the warp drive look like sticks and stones. To put it in perspective, a small insignificant shuttle in Star Wars can go 14,000 times faster than Voyager. To put that in perspective that means that a Star Wars shuttle can, in just one hour, travel the same distance that it would take Voyager 1.5 years to travel. Now, logically, you can say that it is possible for one universe to have more advanced travel tech and the other to have more advanced weaponry, but a different in technology of that scale puts my hand firmly on the Wars side.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

Now consider for a moment that the entire premise of your comment is wrong. Turbo lasers are jacketed plasma…. Not sixth grade presentation laser pointers. Each turbo laser bolt is akin to a Romulan plasma torpedo, you know.. the ones they used to destroy star bases.

[@NeocadeX]

​@@Matt-yg8ubGlad to see a bro rapping SW, trek has some great moments but very few moments akin the Base Delta 0s, slagging entire planets in an hours time.

[@subspace666]

@@Matt-yg8ub that would explain its very short range 1200km if its plasma based, those would be useless against any ship in startrek would only be useful against star base and stations that can't move and maybe planets. those 2 universe are not in the same scale in startrek fights happen in 5k to 50k km ranges , fights only look close in the show so we can actually see them shooting each other. in star wars it does say its in a galaxy far far away so in essence they could never meet.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

@@subspace666 Trek has longer range weapons… Wars has weapons orders of magnitude more powerful and commands strategic mobility. At the end of the day Trek is more maneuverable and can hit from longer range, but they’re tied to their fixed assets. A single fleet of ISDs can pretty much wreck the Star Trek universe not because they can engage the ships directly but because they can destroy the planet one by one until there’s nothing left to support the ships and the Federation is destroyed. Hyperdrive give them the ability to hit a planet on one side of the federation and then hit another 100 light years away an hour later…..Making it impossible for the federation to mass fleets in defense of their hundreds of fixed worlds that can’t possibly have defense fleets big enough to defend them all.

[@adcraziness1501]

I mean... if you can't do it with two Defiants, bring thirty.

[@Sephiroth144]

The shaking was from the "embedded" / collided Defiant

[@tomwolfpack8888]

Id love to see the NCC-1945 USS Roosevelt fight anything really

[@WillH2363]

It would be cool to see the Enterprise J vs. a SSD.

[@enterprise-h312]

0:44 I thought that you were announcing that you had found a model with a detachable "nose" warhead. 4:58 Depends on what the shields do. Luke Skywalker was able to fire a torpedo down a shaft with ray-shielding.

[@MisterMarin]

Yes, but Luke used the Plot Device which, in Star Wars, is known as the Force. 😉

[@enterprise-h312]

@@MisterMarin The trick of shooting the proton torpedo down the shaft may have been possible only due to using the Force, however given that it was specifically mentioned in the mission briefing by Dodonna I think that ray-shielding can safely be assumed to not stop physical objects such as torpedoes.

[@hailstormrising1634]

@@enterprise-h312 That's odd thing, ray shields do not permit the use of physical projectile weapons, warships that used it as their primary shield have to lower them to use torps/missiles. My take would be is they are flying and firing underneath the shield. Why they had to use the trench, only thing that allowed them to get low enough to bypass the shields and have time to line up the shot.

[@dougsmith6262]

This just gave me flashbacks to the Battle of Hoth level from the Rogue Squadrons game.

[@Raso719]

That SSD needs a serious mobility nerf.

[@paullago8345]

6:50 The shaking is Darth Vader using the Dark side of Force!

[@tootiredtostop1606]

Why is that city-sized vessel maneuvering like a destroyer?

[@insertanynickname]

Wow. Never have seen such agile Super star destroyer. This is ridiculous and total out of perspective.😂

[@Renserin]

Well the good news is the original timeline Defiant wasn't blown out of space in the first thirty seconds, so that's an improvement. But there's still going to be a Galaxy Class sized flood of complaints about Super being overpowered. Again.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

But why? One is an up gunned escort frigate…. The other is a planetary invasion force with the firepower of entire fleets worth of upguned escorts.

[@Hellfox777]

Which SSD are we talking about? If you're talking about the EXECUTOR class, then probably. If you're talking about a Sovereign... then naw, you're gonna need a bigger boat.

[@MrJay_White]

"why cant i kill a ship with guns as big as i am"

[@alanbaker2347]

That was really cool with Defiants look so small I'd love 2 C the Andromeda Ascendant vs the super star destroyer

[@XHunter442]

....... Defiant..... Ty for the video and LLAP!

[@kevinwestrom4775]

If only you could do a Vs battle against an Eclipse,-class SSD,. With all of its armor & then its smaller version of DS super laser weapon. That would almost need a fleet of starships to take it down..

[@adarkwind4712]

. . . . A legends SSD or a canon SSD? Cause i believe it was Vaders SSD, the executor, that took three star destroyers slamming into it while dropping out of hyperspace without losing shields.

[@hailstormrising1634]

Yeah, star destroyers suffer from the red shirt syndrome, in lore an reality, they are absolute monsters to deal with, on the other hand, plot armor/convinces have crippled these ships quite badly enough that mere notion of winning a battle is to be insulted for saying such.

[@Timberjac]

The Defiant should fly around the Super Star Destroyer and the Super Star Destroyer should be very slow in turning or even rotating, but that SSD seems to have used the flight model of some Federation ship. It looks and feels a little unreal.

[@caseyfitzpatrick-pp8yv]

You're forgetting the defiance most useful feature it's cloaking capabilities you can sneak up on it and get point blank to its shield generators cloaked and destroy it before they know you're there

[@martinbuhlmeier3138]

The Video is good been 🌟🌟🌟🌟🖖🖖🖖🖖. A good Fight just!

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

Defiant Class is not the best type for engaging these SDs. The best tactic is to maintain standoff distance and maneuver so their weapons can't track as well while using the superior targeting of regular phasers and torpedoes. Pulse weapons take too long at distance. These Star Wars ships are way OP so that it is competitive, otherwise it wouldn't be a fight. Their sub-luminal speed and archaic FCS make them sitting ducks.

[@s.patrickmarino7289]

If you could damage their shields faster than they regenerate, stay under the ship where most of the weapons are not. Otherwise, ram the ship with one defiant, then set the self destruct before beaming over to the second.

[@BrutalMorV]

The defiant is for up close and personal fights. They use maneuverability and speed to stay alive while the pummel their target. As seen when they fought mirror universe Worf's Negh'var destroyer. That SSD has no business maneuvering around just as fast as the defiant can. That's ridiculous to start with.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

In other words…. Let’s just ignore that the SSD is covered in thousands of weapons capable of obliterating a Defiant in short order and pretend that since a 17,000 meter long vessel doesn’t maneuver as well as a 120 meter vessel…. The designers didn’t ever think to mount any of its weapons on turrets and it’s totally incapable of firing on a moving target. Oh and let’s be dam sure nobody mentions that it carries thousands of fighter craft for point defense or mention its tractor beams…. Not like those have ever been used to immobilize a target before.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

@@s.patrickmarino7289 FYI… a SSD withstood not one, not two, but three imperial star destroyers miscalculating a jump, coming out of hyperspace and ramming into it. The SSD was unscathed. A Defiant ramming it will do nothing

[@valor1omega]

The Lakota couldn't have been beaten by Sisko's defiant so what hope do they have against a SSD?

[@Thurgosh_OG]

They weren't trying to destroy the Lakota, just disable it to get past to Earth. If they had set out to destroy the Lakota from the beginning, they would have.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

Valid point…. A single hit from a medium warship took the Defiant’s shields down by 40%. Going up against a superstar destroyer with thousands of weapons more powerful than that is not something I would want to do .

[@Matt-yg8ub]

@@Thurgosh_OG the only way that a defiant class escort defeats a larger heavy or more powerful warship like the Lakota is if the entire primary cast of Deep space nine is on board at the time and their plot shields allow it.

[@deepdivedylan]

That star destroyer sure was defiant!

[@stevelapierre4776]

🤔😊👌

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

🤣🤣🤣 Perfect!

[@TheHumanNacho]

Actually, the Dark Timeline Defiant would have been weaker by a country mile. When shown in Deep Space Nine, it was a factory specs Defiant-class vessel manned by a ragtag bunch of rebels that had absolutely no idea how to make it go above Warp 2, let alone actually pilot it.

[@edwincj4102]

My issue is how is that Super Star Destroyer moving so fast...

[@Matt-yg8ub]

@@edwincj4102 it’s a glitch in the mod. I’m more concerned with the fact that the star destroyer can only use a handful of its weapons at any given moment and that it doesn’t use the tractor beams or the ion cannons or the missile systems or its fighters at all.

[@MrJturner74]

If it was a real battle the defiant gets inside the shields then transports a torpedo into the shield generator and engine room.

[@brianrussell463]

I have a request, show a fair fight. The Defiant has a much greater effective attack range. Meaning that the Defiant or any Star Fleet ship could sit out side os any Star Destroyer's range and fire at the shield generators of any Star Destroyer because another big difference in Star Trek technology vs Star Wars Technology is that the weapons in Star Trek are computer controlled and guided and the weapons in Star Wars are guided by visual targeting, in other words when some one in a Starfleet vessel fires at an enemy the weapon, independently from a persons aim, will track and move at the target moves but when a Storm Trooper aims at an enemy they need visual targeting to hit their enemy even when their computer assists them. We see this in A New hope on the Millennium Falcon, when Luke and Han fight the Tie Fighters, and the Death Star, when the X-wings attack and the Storm Trooper (presumably very well trained gunners who can hit the X-wings both inside and outside of the trench runs). First, is the computer aiming for both phasers and photon torpedoes at the effective range means that if any Star Fleet ship target locked a part of a Star Destroyer the phasers and photon torpedoes would hit that part of the Star Destroyer that it was programmed to hit, unless something intercepted it first or something gravity well interfered without a chance for the programing to compensate. Where a star destroyer couldn’t hit the Millennium Falcon when it was just in front of it. I have even done the research and the math to proves my point about the range being the greatest factor in the fight and it is all stuff not from in cannon to each franchise but on screen in either main the films or primary TV series. (My sources are one episode of Star Trek: The Original Series called ‘Journey to Babel' and from Star Wars: Episode 5 - The Empire Strikes Back and Star Wars: Episode 8 - The Last Jedi. So you can do the same things that I have.) The range of the future Star Trek ships (from Star Trek: The Original Series) would have a greater range and the star destroyers would have less range (due to the fact that they are the previous models of star destroyers from the perspective of 'The Last Jedi) but even if the effective ranges remained the same Star Trek ships just have much more range and also computer controlled weapon systems giving Star Trek ship the huge advantage in battles. So now here is my evidence. In Star Trek the original series The Enterprise has a huge range advantage over any Star Wars ship. In Star Wars: The last Jedi the largest ship we have ever seen The Star Destroyer I’m mean Mega Star Dreadnaught The Supremacy had less then 40 kilometers range (how I got that number for The Supremacy is that I got the length of it from Wookiepedia which is 13,239.68 meters length or 13.24 kilometers, then I cut a paper to that length of the Supremacy and then from the front of the Supremacy how many times that paper took to reach the edge of red range bubble (as seen at 1 hour 2 minutes and 19 seconds in to the Last Jedi) and it took less then 2.5 times to reach the edge of that bubble (2.5 x 13,239.68 = 33,099.2 meter or 33.1 kilometers) I am even being a bot generous to the Supremacy by rounding up) The Supremacy has several Star Destroyers with it and none fire likely due to having less range. They even recalled all their Tie Fighters because wouldn’t have any defensive cover from that distance. The original series Enterprise phasers have an at least a range of 75 thousand kilometers range possibly more. In Star Trek: The Original Series second season episode ten called 'Journey to Babel' at 44 minutes and 35 seconds Captain Kirk order Mr. Chekov to fire and two phaser beams hir and destroy the ship (on the original series they always had two phaser beams fire from the ship). The unknown enemy ship was heavy damaged and later self destructed. This basically means that a one on one encounter would always do to a Star Trek ship. If the original series Enterprise would never be hit with a single turbo-laser blast by the Star Destroyer and the Tie Fighters would be picked off before they even got close enough to fire a single shot (another difference is Star Trek uses computers and target locking not visual targeting to fire their weapons like Star Wars) and the Enterprise could fire phasers as long as the warp core delivers power to the weapons systems, similar to turbo-lasers, a nearly or actually infinite resource so the Enterprise (using the weaker of the weapons the ship has) fire until the Imperial capital ship was destroyed while running circles outside of the Imperial's range.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

Nope. I don’t have the time to address your entire wall of text, but it’s based on bad assumptions. The reason why the weapons in Star Wars have manual backups is because the electronic warfare capabilities are such that most computer targeting systems are rendered useless by them and people end up having to resort to the mark one eyeball. As for weapons range, not only are turbo lasers capable of engaging targets at greater range than phasers (Thrawn destroyed targets on the other side of a solar system), a ship like this carries thousands of fighters that could take the fight to the defiant without ever exposing the mothership itself to enemy fire. Suffice to say that short of warp shenanigans or using a cloaking device to get within range …. Both of which are short term solutions, you’re not going to get a federation vessel that can sit outside of the weapons range of an imperial star destroyer, and just blink away at it with immunity. Basic rule of thumb, if you’re going to allow the Star Trek ship to use its warp drive, then the star destroyer can just go to hyper space and leave long before a trek ship would be able to snipe them at range. Even then, the vast majority of all combat in TNG takes place within the range of a World War II battleship. The top of my head, one of the few exceptions I can think of in all Star Trek is the battle between Spark ship, and the Narada, where the Narada fires all of its missiles far enough away so that the enterprise can jump in dramatically and shoot them down, but even then those weren’t energy weapons … those were missiles, and Star Wars has plenty of those with just as great a range as anything in treck

[@brianrussell463]

@@Matt-yg8ub I am willing to accept the possibility that Star Wars weapons have some computer guided control (even though there is no evidence of that in any of the shows or movies for Star Wars). The range differences are clear and factually based in both of these franchises, you clearly are a Star Wars fan that wants things to be equal so your favorite franchise doesn’t lose. I am a fan of both franchises, my second favorite movie is A New Hope (first being Serenity (the Firefly movie). The Defiant is a mothership in comparison, Tie Fighters even thousands of them would take a single shot from a phaser to be destroyed (just like they are in Star Wars) so send the thousand Tie Fighters against the Defiant that is so far out of range of the Star Destroyer and Tie Fighters but still well within range os the Defiant so they would be destroyed before a Tie Fighters could get in range. If you want to argue use proof that is a part of alpha canon for Star Trek and official 'Lucasfilm' canon or (as I have) Film canon. Good luck.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

@@brianrussell463That’s odd….I seem to recall Luke Skywalker turning off his targeting computer as a major plot point in A New Hope. Guess I must have dreamed that part where Obiwan told Luke to use the force, probably dreamed the part where Grand Admiral Thrawn shot down ships on the other side of the solar system. Ya, that’s it, everyone must just be remembering wrong since this random guy on the internet is so certain that targeting computers can’t exist and ranges have to be less than his beloved trek.

[@brianrussell463]

@@Matt-yg8ub first, I stated in my reply that I accept that they have computer controlled weapon systems, second you the the targeting system that didn’t work? That could not do what it was designed to do, hit the target every single time it fired? That proves my point, they either have no targeting computers or really bad ones. Seriously, if all you can do is make snide comments on things that I already dismissed and accepted from you previous comment then move on. I will even make this simpler for you these are incredibly different franchises and shouldn’t have combat when they are you should be able to accept when someone uses information from both franchises makes a battle between them pointless for whatever reason accept it. I really don’t care which franchise is better, I like them both and don’t understand the mine is better then yours attitude that you have. All that does is silo the franchises, making people prefer one over the other. We can enjoy both, both of the have value. And whether or not the Defiant can beat a star destroyer or not doesn’t matter at all. Also a write can have any outcome they want. I could write a story where a single tie fighter wipes out the entire Star Trek universe if I wanted. I could write a story where a single Borg drone assimilates the entire Star Wars universe (let me be clear, I mean that that drone, one its own, assimilates ever being in the Star Wars universe). That is a fantasy that doesn’t matter how good or bad either franchise is and you don’t need to get offended. I’m not attacking you personally in any way. All I want is a fair battle between the two ships depicted in these videos. If the creators of these videos are biased towards one franchise and didn’t do their research using false information it creates misinformation and therefore a less accurate portrayal of the franchises. It is also possible for the creators of these videos not to have the accurate information but the outcome is the same. Which is an unfair and misleading video that creates a false equivalency between the two franchises. Again they are both great franchises but different.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

@@brianrussell463 no, you said you conceded the possibility that they might exist, but then emphatically and incorrectly stated that there was no evidence that they did. I simply pointed out that you missed a really famous example. Backpedaling and posting a wall of text criticizing the potential effectiveness of computer targeting isn’t going to save you from your initial mistake. The point of the scene was to emphasize Luke’s reliance on the force to guide the proton torpedo. Targeting systems on the X-wing worked just fine, it was the missile they couldn’t make the turn without Luke guiding it with the force…. unless of course you want to concede that Star Wars weaponry can make 90° turns like that by itself. Note: I’d also point out the obvious weapons impact on the surface and the rather unimpressive scorch mark it left on the armored surface of the Death Star.

[@ralfhtg1056]

This SSD-model is unlike the ship in the movies. SSDs usually have little to no guns on the underside of the ship or guns facing to the rear. And your flying skills seem rather poor considering how often you collide. Or alternatively the game itself is poorly programmed. I mean, look how the Defiant flies in the tv show! It should be an easy job for such an agile ship to avoid being hit altogether by the plump weapons of the SSD!

[@lglg6950]

The Super Star Destroyer is much to agile for a ship of that size!

[@Dr.Westside]

X-Wings and A-wings can take out Star destroyer Shields easily but a defiant can't . Okay . I'm tired of the way out of whack power scaling for Star Wars and Stargate . A single volley of quantum torpedoes to the shield generator should have done it . Then the phasers should cut that thing apart like a tin can since they decouple matter at the molecular level .

[@Matt-yg8ub]

Even if 5he Defiant detonated all of her quantum torpedoes at the exact same time. The total amount of energy released might be 1/10 of 1% of the amount of energy being produced by that SSD’s reactor every single second.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

The A-wing don’t take out its shields….an entire fleet of rebel ships did…and the A-wing crashed into the tower.

[@hailstormrising1634]

The defiant is trying to take out the shield gens by going thru the shield itself which will only give under immense brute force, a-wings can, because they hug the deck of the destroyer so tightly as to be underneath said shield which allows them to deal direct damage to the emitters often causing a catastrophic reaction destroying it. Those big balls aren't the generators themselves, they're just the emitters lol. Using quantum bombardment, that point just aim for the bridge......

[@scoobydoo316us]

silly question but how do you get to the generator if you cant get past their shield and it looks like your mainly just shooting at something that is not shooting back much

[@Saysquatsch]

Just fly into the bridge. Works ervery time!

[@dc521977]

It's a good thing the incredible cross section books from Star Wars aren't cannon thanks to to Disney destroying the franchise. The Acclimator transports light guns put out 300 million GW while the heavy guns top out at 2.4 million megatons. The Enterprise Ds main phasers are around 3.6 GW and photon torpedos have a theoretical yield of 64 megatons. That's not even taking reactor power into the equation. It's not close at all.

[@fluffernaut9905]

Man that SSD swings around and does flips like its has 0 mass at all.

[@jasonsylvander3089]

The defiant would be flown like sisko did against the Negvar in the mirror universe episode

[@theirishrambler299]

Star Trek tech lightyears ahead of SW.

[@TheRealGraylocke]

Meanwhile the SSD launches its full 72 TIE Fighters perhaps some of those are TIE Defenders with shields. If the Defiants we're going for pesky little guys taking on a behemoth, guess what the TIEs are doing to the Defiants?

[@lamelama22]

The shaking is because of the limits of the physics engine where the 2 collided ships are both trying to move in different directions, and the engine allows it to move a little bit but then moves it back on the next frame after it does its collision checks. Same problem with how Mario in the original SMB on the NES can go into a wall a little bit if you're moving fast enough, and then the engine checks for that and goes "oh crap" and pushes him back out on the next frame (or further in, if you can be far enough in, which then allows you to get inside the walls). The only reason the regular Defiants didn't stand a chance is because the maker of the Star Wars mods made them insanely overpowered compared to all the Star Trek ships. Just like the fanboys do for every IP they add to the game....

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

Thanks for the explanation about the physics! I remember the mario glitch 😂. Yes, the Star Wars mods are crazy powerful in this game. Although the death star mod is probably accurate 🖖

[@sgtsundance]

Given a fucking A-Wing took out the shield generators on the Executor at the Battle of Endor, the firepower of a Defiant class starship should've shredded the SSD's shield generators before you then shredded the command tower, looped around and popped a couple of photon torps into the main reactor and it's good night SSD.

[@hailstormrising1634]

Difference, defiant is outside the shield an must contend with it, a wing is underneath it and doesn't have to.

[@c0ldyloxproductions324]

You should do a super star destroyer vs aurora class battleship from stargate

[@kitfo18]

Lets also remember the SSD would have 12 squadrons of tie fighters and 2 of them would be the tie interceptor so yeah they would need more Defiants for that lol.

[@philb9015]

Star wars Pew Pew blaster fire would be completely useless against the shields and ablative armor of the Defiant. So no, tie fighters would do absolutely squat.. LOL. The fight would look like Wolf 359. LMAO!

[@ArtietheArchon]

In "reality" a Star Trek ship would destroy the Star Wars vessel from thousands of kilometers away, possibly while traveling at hundreds of times the speed of light

[@19crash78]

From both series it seems pretty obvious that Star wars has faster travel but less advanced weapons. Star trek has more advanced weapons but slower travel.

[@gregortman3027]

question, Could the USS Defiant be used as a Star Wars ship if it was striped down of all Federation equipment and all replaced with Equipment from Star Wars... I have been told NO , but what do you think...... I say Yes ,,,

[@benborah1264]

A SSD wouldn't be anywhere near that maneuverable and I don't think a ship using lasers would do that well

[@ANONYMOUS_PEASANT]

I have a request, wolf 359 fleet vs this ship, then first contact fleet please 🙏

[@Lowflyingmoose]

That SSD is WAY too maneuverable in this mod :D it turns like a damn fighter :D This should be a slow hulking behemoth not the bloody Delta flier :D But yeah, sorry as much as i love the Defiant class, my second fav ship before the mighty Sovereign class. It would take a fleet of Defiants to even dent an SSD. It had multiple tractor beam emitters each powerful enough to freeze a large vessel in place. Over 1000 turbo lasers and ion cannons and concussion missile launchers as well as a compliment of hundreds of Tie fighters, interceptors and bombers. It's shields could withstand an immense amount of punishment too. Honestly the OG films did not handle that ship well. The nearly 20km behemoth got done dirty and was a victim of cinematic cuts not showing the whole picture as well as frankly poor writing. It took the combined firepower of the Entire Rebel fleet pummeling it for at least half an hour to an hour to take it out. This thing was designed to fight many multiple capital class full warships and honestly it would take a fleet dozens of Sovereign's and Defiant's to take this out.