Can a Budget Deck Keep Up?

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The Trinket Mage

The Trinket Mage

Ай бұрын

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@beevuu
@beevuu Ай бұрын
congrats on 10k B)
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
Thanks and thank you for the great artwork!
@TheBirdGroves
@TheBirdGroves Ай бұрын
Next time someone complains they don’t get to use their 50$ card I’ll be sure to mention the removal cost .50c
@crtikhit2244
@crtikhit2244 Ай бұрын
I create a counterspell tribal deck long time before, with very junk counterspells, I win the hate of a 500€ ur-dragon deck player because I didn't stop countering his best dragon and spells. That was the best day of my life😂😂😂
@froghermit9852
@froghermit9852 Ай бұрын
​@crtikhit2244 I counterspelled this guy so hard he scooped. I was playing alela cunning conquerer with wave break hipocamp out so every time I counterspelled or used a pongify effect my spells were replaced with a new card and a faerie. It was beautiful. This was right after he thrashed the table with sheoldred. So he deserved it.
@natelagrassa9337
@natelagrassa9337 Ай бұрын
I’ve made like 5 decks for $100, cause my playgroup said my decks are to strong and expensive… so I just built the 5 decks… needless to say half them still destroyed the playgroup.
@johnkillen1152
@johnkillen1152 Ай бұрын
Or copy it with a phyrexian metamorph
@Malidictum117
@Malidictum117 Ай бұрын
The counter argument is: Why do you need to gatekeep fun for collectors when removal is .50c?
@Skankster
@Skankster Ай бұрын
I love playing budget decks for many reasons, but sneaky value is one of them. If people have never heard of a card you play, they might not target you until they realize its true power, which may be too late.
@jaredwright1655
@jaredwright1655 29 күн бұрын
Or they target you cause you've got a bunch of odd cards and they don't know WHICH one is the problem so they just try and kill you. I'm not salty I swear lol
@jaceg810
@jaceg810 Ай бұрын
Some other commander tips: If a creature is not going to be blocking, (value engine, your opponent has no attacks) Swing with it if it is likely to survive, its free damage. I see so many people just keep back their big board of green things because they have not yet achieved the big funny and are only about 3/3-5/5, while my on average 1/2 - 2/2 board of aristocrats gets away with not being pressured at all. Don't snap off removal because someone killed your thing, in a recent game, Player B removed player A's commander, then Player A got to make the choice, hold their removal spell for Player C's commander that would probably come down, a voltron esque 7 mana haste thing, or remove player B's partner commander that was there to enable colors. In general, removing the big thing instead of getting revenge might be worth it. Finally, whatever you do, make sure to have some kind of backup plan for at least one boardwhipe, I am not saying to sandbag literally all of your cards, however drawing some cards while you still can to have a hand full of cards in case something happens, keeping back one carddraw creature, or if that is not your style, keeping up protection are all options that, while they do not instantly win games, at least prevent you from losing on the spot. Yes cards like clever cocealment (or ghostway on a budget) might not be a big beatstick, however they can keep your beatsticks safe through a boardwhipe.
@Controlqueen31
@Controlqueen31 Ай бұрын
I want to add two more things to this, already, incredible video: 1- Play combos if you want. At least a combo of your level. Four card combos are fine in a lot of places cause they need preparation and people see them coming. Even two card combos are fine if they are on the right deck/right power level. 2- What commander are you playing is very important while talking about this topic. There are a few of them who are great in almost every power level. Teysa Karlov for example. You can make a 50$ Teysa with commons, uncommons aristocrats, morbid oportunist and cards like the 4cmc black eldrazi. PD: To play a budget commander deck in a powerful table, you need to have a value engine/double trigger/strong as a card commander. I would recommend to try a good commander first in budget and then try other things when you know how to play with good but cheap cards.
@diomarkov2794
@diomarkov2794 Ай бұрын
Dina is a cEDH deck that can be built on a very tight budget, since the only thing you need is a hulk, reanimation, and some entombs and ramp do get there
@JaimeAGB-pt4xl
@JaimeAGB-pt4xl Ай бұрын
The first tip I give to new EDH player is... make Urself a decklist checklist... Mine is for example: 10-12 ramp, 9-11 interaction, 9-11 draw, the rest is engine/core... that makes U plan and see ahead what problems the deck might have in the future... Ps: Very interesting Yasova deck tech. I'm working on the same concept but using Hofri Ghostforge, since I'll get a copy token for myself off the creatures I sacrifice and will include the revielark and Karmic Guide combo
@CorZ1lla
@CorZ1lla Ай бұрын
Almost double your draw for more success
@sobrcelt
@sobrcelt Ай бұрын
8:01 Yeah, I have a Selesnya +1/+1 counters deck that it slays in, especially when my Enduring Scalelord is in play. Great card!
@muddyboy999
@muddyboy999 Ай бұрын
When you're talking about removal, it's interesting. If you're finding players have better winning power than you, increasing your stopping power your ability to stop them from winning and give you a chance can be a cheaper solution
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
Spot removal is cheap!
@jaysuede2627
@jaysuede2627 Ай бұрын
It's even very easy to build reactive decks on the cheap. Lavinia, Foil to Conspiracy lets you hold up the mana to react multiple times a cycle and rewards you for doing so on top of that.
@jessicaraven9546
@jessicaraven9546 19 күн бұрын
So true kept losing to my friends $$$ decks so I made a budget control deck and suddenly wasn't getting blown out and made lots of salt lol
@Vohtwomax
@Vohtwomax Ай бұрын
I watched an edh game last night from mtg goldfish. $10k vs $1k vs $100 vs $10. It was pretty surprising
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
I watched that one as well I wished we saw more expensive cards show up for the $10k deck
@evanbutler4347
@evanbutler4347 Ай бұрын
​@@thetrinketmageI actually found it interesting that the 10k deck was only spent on the manabase, because most crazy expense cards don't even have synergies with each other. You would end up with a ton of power, but unable to abuse it properly.
@bobbybobv
@bobbybobv Ай бұрын
Great video love the lists!
@symbs
@symbs Ай бұрын
Mass Land Destruction is casual commander. You'll see it more outside of cEDH than in it. Often the cost is too high for what won't win you the game outright and is likely to get countered so it has much less of a home there. The cards outclassing people you showed are all high power or staples. High power is still considered casual, namely because it's not cEDH. Mass Land Destruction is also budget friendly, and it works. Magic has had mass land destruction since day one, and the first commander precons had one with Ruination printed in it. It may not be friendly, but neither is watching your opponent draw a third of their deck with Tatyova and keep a grip of free counterspells and pass the turn, giving you the illusion that you'll actually be able to do anything. (much more cruel than the cut and dry state of not having any lands) or watching the guy with smothering tithe have as much mana as the rest of his opponents combined because he got to resolve a single spell on turn 3 when people are still building board states. He'll likely win off it, same as mass land destruction but until he does everyone else gets to play out some turns of fractional value until they lose to it. He who makes the most and spends the most mana should generally win in a game of magic afterall. It may not be fun, which is often the point of playing commander at all.. but if you do appropriate turn zero discussions and the primary goal is to win, I think MLD is totally fine. No worse than other peoples one card go bbbbrrrrrr solutions.
@mcmc9176
@mcmc9176 Ай бұрын
That Blex deck looks really fun, great video
@coltongallegos4219
@coltongallegos4219 Ай бұрын
Excellent video, love the info.
@arrivtuber
@arrivtuber 5 күн бұрын
One of my favourite cedh decks was my budget Teshar deck. The deck went just above 150€ but only because I already owned a KCI, a Chrome mox and a grand abolisher (before it's reprints), and the deck won pretty consistently because it was dedicated to comboing fast and if it failed it could try again on the next turn sometimes even twice a turn.
@yummines
@yummines 26 күн бұрын
One thing that I think more channels should bring up is that foreign language cards are perfectly legal to use in any format as well, and often can be significantly cheaper. At least in my playgroup we fairly often have to look up rulings for cards anyways, and for cards like Anointed Procession or Cyclonic Rift we already know what the card does.
@nelsonmatos5948
@nelsonmatos5948 Ай бұрын
Love your videos, thanks!
@palicaoo
@palicaoo Ай бұрын
great video! i will try out this Blex deck for sure
@meepilee7991
@meepilee7991 Ай бұрын
As a new player this has already helped so much! I much prefer forcing myself to get creative by putting myself on a budget, and besides having literally every card available is way too overwhelming. This is helping me alot with the decks i wanna build alr
@gimicarnevali9927
@gimicarnevali9927 Ай бұрын
The decks look very interesting Yeah building budget decks is more fun Good job!
@MortonFMurphy
@MortonFMurphy Ай бұрын
Love Blex, thanks for the list
@tylerneth1790
@tylerneth1790 Ай бұрын
I love watching your videos instead of playing commander with real people. I love how much I learn about a format I don't play nor care about
@Taggy1011
@Taggy1011 Ай бұрын
Awesome video!
@john81blaze
@john81blaze Ай бұрын
Funny how this video appeared in my feed as im brewing a budget deck 😊
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
The algorithm works in mysterious ways
@Taggy1011
@Taggy1011 Ай бұрын
youtube's watching you
@trevordumais2117
@trevordumais2117 Ай бұрын
This is a great video. I've been getting into budget deck building for the challenge of it. I'd like to highlight Ruxa, Patient Professor as a commander that is also very patient with your wallet.
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
Ruxa is a fun card I want more support for that theme
@troybone6849
@troybone6849 26 күн бұрын
Love the Losheel deck... amazing versatility as a pauper commander or edh.. or in the 99 of edh decks. Sick stuff
@destroyerbot2066
@destroyerbot2066 16 күн бұрын
instructions unclear; attempted board politics, ended up watching my commander be bent in half
@ratdoto2148
@ratdoto2148 Ай бұрын
Recently wanted to make a few budget decks for some variety adjacent to my more expensive decks, and I found myself putting 'Otherwordly Gaze' in all of them. What an underrated card. In some ways it's like an amalgamation of Ponder, Mystical Tutor and Dream Twist.
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
That card is really interesting! I wonder how much the scry would need to be for a card like that to see play in modern
@WilkersonWhittle
@WilkersonWhittle Ай бұрын
Thanks man!
@hexbox2182
@hexbox2182 Ай бұрын
One of my favorite budget options as a commander is Raff, Weatherlight Stalwart. He’s cheap, a lot of token making instant and sorceries are cheap and you get both draw and a win con in the commandzone. He’s also in blue and white so removal isn’t hard either.
@TheDevonshireMint
@TheDevonshireMint Ай бұрын
Seeing losheel in the thumbnail got my attention
@SeriosSkies92
@SeriosSkies92 26 күн бұрын
Swift reconfig is protection. it only really stops a big attack once or saves your creature from creature removal.
@azzychentnik1663
@azzychentnik1663 Ай бұрын
A fun budget deck I made recently was mari, the killing quill and it throws a rench in so many people's plans
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
When making the budget decks for this vid I almost made a Mari deck
@AshZesty
@AshZesty 6 күн бұрын
Great video!
@StoneSourFanBoy
@StoneSourFanBoy Ай бұрын
We don't always agree, but I'm 100% with you on this one ! Having a playgroup where we only play 30€ decks for several years, all those advices are on point. I would add something : - people having some form of hate for counterspells or combos need to play a budget deck. A counterspell is probably the best answer but ask for more "skill" (which is a way people can improve, as you said) and playing combos will make you play cards that other people may not have encountered before and by doing so, make your play patterns less easy to read. - make sure to be able to win on different axis if you can. Playing the board and having a combo backup may give the wrong hints to your opponents and even experienced players may not be able to see if you're midrange or aggro. It's one of the biggest things to keep in mind : if people can't predict how you're wanting to win, they may not be able to stop you at the right moment. - play more synergies, you said it but in a way that may not be that clear for beginners ;) goodstuff cards may be less snowbally than a good piece of synergy, and most of those are not that costly. Try to play ramp that fits your themes, rather than just putting a sol ring in every deck, you'll see a big difference ^^
@malachai1381
@malachai1381 Ай бұрын
You should see the look on people's faces the first time I pulled off a turn 3 Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis, following up with a turn 4 Traverse the outlands. Even after they bodied Hogaak, begging out 8 basic lands meant I had no mana issues that could keep me from playing a long game. Edit: Also, play find//finality, it slaps.
@BobJones-bg4ui
@BobJones-bg4ui Ай бұрын
Thanks for the tips. I’m going to make my own list of edh staples that are lower than $10.00. I’m curious what comes up.
@jeremyblackheart
@jeremyblackheart Ай бұрын
The best thing to look for on a budget, are commanders that enable a strategy or card advantage using budget or niche cards. Henzie is a great commander, he let's you slam budget fatties while keeping your hand full. Vadrik let's you play budget combat tricks and counterspells for cheap. Then you can storm off with relatively inexpensive cards. Hidetsugu and Kairi with top deck manipulation and clonss let's you play some giant spells off the top. Also, as much as people hate it, stax cards are normally pretty cheap. Although they're not very good in low / medium power, the scale in power the faster the group is. Kamahl + Akroma stax is pretty funny.
@Splinters_Twin
@Splinters_Twin 28 күн бұрын
bro i JUST finnished a blex landfall deck and i’m building a yasova BPod deck. it feels like as soon as i get an idea everyone does too
@Knightfall8
@Knightfall8 2 күн бұрын
Looking at the spread, To me it seems the strongest budget friendly color combo (with some exceptions) is White+Green+ an optional third color. Green for cheap ramp, White for Swords and Path, Both have budget options for synergystic card draw, and budget wincons. White also has budget tutors that hunt for auras. So... Galea? Galea.
@lemodyne1072
@lemodyne1072 26 күн бұрын
with budget builds, I try to think in terms of card advantage over card draw, card advantage being anything that lets me see more cards, or play cards that I otherwise wouldn’t be able to play. examples being self mill with a bunch of eternal witness type effects, or any future sight effect (especially with topdeck manipulation), both of which drastically increase the amount of options you have to play cards without explicitly drawing them to your hand, and cards like these are way cheaper than easy repeatable card draw effects tend to be. this is doubly useful as most players won’t feel as threatened by someone doing these things as they will by looking across the table to see someone with 15 cards in hand.
@kismet8010
@kismet8010 Ай бұрын
What a nice random video to stumble upon
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
Stick around I’ve got more interesting stuff in the works!
@mcmc9176
@mcmc9176 Ай бұрын
Id love a video bout you talking bout off meta commanders and or decks you already have, personally im building a Kresh the BloodBraided deck and would love possible insight
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
I don’t have a video on it but if you go to the moxfield link and go to my account I have a folder for my current decks if you want to see what I am playing right now
@link2thepresnt
@link2thepresnt Ай бұрын
9 fingers keene is an honorable mention! I have a decklist thats only like 90 bucks and its a lot of fun
@chummer2060
@chummer2060 Ай бұрын
I made a $45 Ovika deck that overwhelms the table if they let it go. It's a lot of fun to just be a problem.
@ravensiIva
@ravensiIva Ай бұрын
10:21 you can't target other people's creatures with twinflame. But that doesnt matter, since you dont need to target anything with twinflame to start the combo. "Any number" can be 0.
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
Oh my god! Good catch. I think the script had heat shimmer in their originally so I made a slight oops when changing it
@ravensiIva
@ravensiIva Ай бұрын
@@thetrinketmage that makes sense, strive cards are weird that they can target 0 things, easy to overlook.
@IvanKolyada
@IvanKolyada Ай бұрын
@@ravensiIvaGood catch! Did not notice it. Thank you
@jacobhatton4908
@jacobhatton4908 Ай бұрын
I run Luxior, Giadas gift and devoted Druid in my mowu loyal companion deck. Never upset to draw either alone and if they combo and make infinite mana even better.
@adamhachimi1476
@adamhachimi1476 Ай бұрын
You know, I get that your avatar is a trinket mage. But it also looks like a skittari.
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
It’s a little bit of both!
@mrlazypants
@mrlazypants Ай бұрын
I don’t know what a trinket mage is and fully thought it was a warhammer reference up until this comment
@power_SERG
@power_SERG Ай бұрын
I thought it was a skitarri... I even tell my buddies "one of the videos from that skitarri guy" lolol
@TheLuckySpades
@TheLuckySpades Ай бұрын
Fieldar Retreat is amazing Put it in my Cats and Dogs deck because of the tokens, but I have finished games with an Evolving Wilds giving 10 1/1 tokens +2/+2 and Vigilance
@humancat2434
@humancat2434 Ай бұрын
People play pretty high power decks at my lgs so one budget option I've been trying lately is to play more hate cards. Phyrexian Revoker can shut off treasures, or Aven Mindsensor to slow down combo players.
@MageSkeleton
@MageSkeleton Ай бұрын
10:20 sadly, Twinflame requires being able to target one of your creatures, so you have that prerequisite of needing some other creature on your field before Dualcaster mage gets cast in response to Twinflame. For those interested to play a competitive commander option on a budget (no blue, no need of the apocalypse), i recommend; Ich-Tekik, Salvage Splicer with Keskit, the Flesh Sculptor, Old Stickfingers, Anje Falkenrath, Slicer, Hired Muscle and/or Magda, Brazen Outlaw.
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
Sorry slight slip up in the script from when it was originally heat shimmer. But fun fact twin flame can be cast with no targets
@MageSkeleton
@MageSkeleton Ай бұрын
@@thetrinketmage After reading the three red spells that combo with Dualcaster Mage, wow, i am wrong. But i see the confusion. the new Molten Duplication and Heat Shimmer would but Twinflame does not!
@Millus1987
@Millus1987 Ай бұрын
@@thetrinketmage I just realized this. Unfortunately, copying the spell with Dualcaster Mage does not allow you to change the number of targets.
@typoholic
@typoholic Ай бұрын
Love this video. I will throw these decks together to see how they work. I’ve been playing MtG forever, but haven’t been as critical as I should be on my deckbuilding skills, so these videos help a ton. SUGGESTION: Add the cards that could be upgrades for these decks into the “Considering” section on Moxfield. That would be super helpful. Keep up the good work!
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
I’ll try and get to that when I have time appreciate the suggestion
@91mattmac
@91mattmac 5 күн бұрын
Oh heck ya. I challenged myself to build a deck that’s under a $100, what it helped me realize is that you don’t have to cram all the “high value” cards in your deck to have success.
@kozad86
@kozad86 Ай бұрын
The Comment Section on Trinket's New Long Form Video: Now with Less Salt! 🥳 Folks were SHOOK by that Arcane Denial video.
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
Yea just look at the number of comments compared to other vids with more views it got a lot of engagement
@ConjureKarp
@ConjureKarp Ай бұрын
"If you don't know who to attack, just ask the table or attack the player with the most Green And Blue at the table." You are accurate and I love that idea!
@jaredwright1655
@jaredwright1655 29 күн бұрын
In my eyes, any player that is the "Big Mana" rapport deck needs to be punished early game. Especially Mono Black as their life total is commonly how many cards they can draw and usually wins with a 12-20 mana turn
@nikolmorith800
@nikolmorith800 24 күн бұрын
The politics thing won me a tournament at my LGS recently. The board got crippled early and all I had left was Mr. House and a Securitron. So I moved to making the big guys fight each other to the death (Very on brand for House. Lol) Till I moved in with Ruinous Ultimatum on the last guy and watched as he realized he had nothing left in the tank after I sat and watched him 2v1 the rest of the table. ^.^
@gretchling5012
@gretchling5012 Ай бұрын
shoutouts to End-Raze Forerunners. Craterhoof Behemoth at Home is still pretty good
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
I lost to that in modern once it was wild
@dapperpotatoes8473
@dapperpotatoes8473 Ай бұрын
Honestly, I normally do pretty well against more pricey decks. Mostly because they don’t run nearly enough interaction and run out after they’ve dealt with the fastest deck.
@doozy1633
@doozy1633 8 күн бұрын
i had a budget ivy, gleeful spellthief deck keep up with competetive at one point
@shundo8460
@shundo8460 Ай бұрын
Mirkwood bats being ban worthy has got to be satire 😅
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
I cropped the name but it was not satire at all
@shundo8460
@shundo8460 Ай бұрын
@@thetrinketmage you are clearly a very intelligent magic player, you really believe it’s ban worthy?
@aimlessgun
@aimlessgun Ай бұрын
@@shundo8460 I think the joke is that the actual Commander rules committee put Mirkwood Bats on a watchlist and considered banning it :)
@shundo8460
@shundo8460 Ай бұрын
@@aimlessgun did they really? That is absolutely insane to me
@greatbrandini3967
@greatbrandini3967 2 күн бұрын
If you find yourself lacking either mana or card advantage, try looking towards the command zone to plug the gap. Don't underestimate cards like Seal of Cleansing, a 2 drop enchantment that you can sacrifice to blow up another artifact or enchantment. Just having the threat of removal on the board will scare many players out of trying to play their big, scary cards, allowing you time to build up your board. Best of all, it's almost impossible for your opponents to remove such a card effectively, since they're almost guaranteed to either 2 for 1 themselves, or have to give up a high value card in the process
@tex9430
@tex9430 19 күн бұрын
this cayde6 guy is super helpful i like
@salmondelicious
@salmondelicious Ай бұрын
Thanks dunkey
@Nephalem2002
@Nephalem2002 25 күн бұрын
Also always remember to discuss power level prior to starting, and if you are an existing player, try to make some lower powered decks to play against these lower powered budget decks.
@froghermit9852
@froghermit9852 Ай бұрын
I just want to ask that when you mention a card and put up for us to view can you leave it up for a few more seconds so i can read it??? Thanks for all the content that you make. Your videos have helped my deck building a lot!
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
Sorry, trying to strike a balance between letting people read the card and not having a static image on screen for too long. I’ll keep this comment in mind though
@henrik2943
@henrik2943 Ай бұрын
Some pf our budget decks at 25 e can propably keep up with a lot of more powerfull decks. Not our most powerfull decks but most of them. I also bought the Anje *madness* deck and played it against my friends decks between 500-1000 dollar decks and could easily play with them. Its propably the most versatile precon
@deathtones21
@deathtones21 Ай бұрын
Honestly all my budget decks have demolished, i think it's more of a player rather than budget.
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
Agreed a lot of new players like to attribute their losses to a budged difference instead of seeing what they did wrong
@MrDamojak
@MrDamojak Ай бұрын
Unless you are in diamond and above
@joshuakruijs7446
@joshuakruijs7446 Ай бұрын
Totally agree, at my table we are all new players. Except I'm the only one at the table that has eh higher level experience in the tcg world. And with that I notice that I just "see" more and better plays then them. So to many people I would say just watch games and get a feel of what works and what does not and if you keep that up you will improve
@gregory3499
@gregory3499 Ай бұрын
Exactly. People cry about overpowered decks. Just be a better player and you can beat anybody with any decent constructed deck no matter the budget.
@Squitange
@Squitange Ай бұрын
BLEX MENTIONED my most recent deck is a blex deck, and due to the nature of blex being very much a supporting commander u can swap out for grist or even zask if im feeling spicy (he needs some ramp). very fun and my strongest deck so far, although its an unfortunate combo of kind of oppressive and kind of slow
@granite_4576
@granite_4576 Ай бұрын
People really worry too much about 'wincons' in what should probably just be mid-range decks. This is where interaction really shines. Sure you may win with an alpha strike, but a good chance you'll get blown out. I really like to just hang back, and survive. Survive while everyone knocks each other about and get into that late game where you don't need a craterhoof because the last one left has 5 life.
@jaysuede2627
@jaysuede2627 Ай бұрын
Budget is a factor, but what really matters is what you are actually trying to do. Zada is my favorite budget deck - you can achieve lethal on turn 4 for $30, and it's a great way to learn Storm.
@tempestandacomputer6951
@tempestandacomputer6951 Ай бұрын
I've learned that opponents will eventually learn to just kill on sight after a few games. Decks like these get hated out unless you have a back up plan.
@jaysuede2627
@jaysuede2627 Ай бұрын
@@tempestandacomputer6951 That's true. That's why you ultimately can't be too aggressive with certain commanders.
@tempestandacomputer6951
@tempestandacomputer6951 Ай бұрын
@@jaysuede2627 Yeah. I unfortunately had to make Kaalia a soft reanimator deck because players just know better nowadays.
@SwedeRacerDC
@SwedeRacerDC Ай бұрын
I think budget is a relative term. I know the poll suggested a card gets expensive over $10. I would argue that finding cards that are budget, the bench mark is much lower. $2 might be a reasonable max to keep your deck under $50. You might go up to $5 for a max if you're targeting $100. You might even go up to $10 if your deck is mono colored or even two colors so that you can get away with basics.
@mr.nakamura9088
@mr.nakamura9088 Ай бұрын
That Gaffer card is the kind of card that's going to skyrocket when they print a lifegain precon and don't include it because it's Universes Beyond. This is an auto include in Extort and lifegain angels and I'm slotting him into Omnath, Locus of Creation.
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
Oh extort is a really good synergy with the Gaffer!
@aimlessgun
@aimlessgun Ай бұрын
John Benton has been talked about a lot recently as a budget deck that does more than just keep up: its actually an absolute powerhouse (WHY does he have haste jfc). In general non-equipment voltron seems pretty cheap relative to it's power, auras rarely cost more than $5 and combat tricks are almost all under $1.
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
Been hearing a lot about that commander lately might need to check him out
@WIBYTIEDH
@WIBYTIEDH 27 күн бұрын
The biggest piece of budget advice I think, is that almost every card has a budget version with different limitations. Can't afford Force of Will ? Run Foil. Can't afford Terror of the Peaks ? Warstorm Surge is still just as good as isn't a creature. The main exceptions are the obvious ones like the Ancient Dragons or Smothering Tithe but there are still ways around those, I think. And I totally agree with just removing those high value targets off the board. Your $90 Dockside ain't got shit on Essence Scatter
@movieguy4245
@movieguy4245 Ай бұрын
Sheoldred that was mentioned in the video is good but it doesn't give you value as much as it used to as spot removal is more common place, especially when in the "powering up to face off other decks".
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
Normally I’d agree but with search for blex this Sheoldred will usually have a lot of good targets and if you untap with it you are so far ahead. Plus you get value if player number 3 has the spot removal next turn case you force players to sac creatures
@movieguy4245
@movieguy4245 Ай бұрын
@@thetrinketmage makes sense, I would put it in but 7 mana even with ramp is a lot. Another thing to consider (not in this example but in many others) decks usually have "nonbo" cards, card that seem to work in a deck but have little to no synergy but appear in majority of a certain commanders decks.
@matthewsaustin88
@matthewsaustin88 23 күн бұрын
What’s the Kodama + tireless provisioner combo?
@sida32123
@sida32123 Ай бұрын
My ballin on a budget pantlaza (bought at Walmart for 50 bucks) has stomped a lot of cEDH decks
@ARK-ep4bb
@ARK-ep4bb Ай бұрын
Video topic idea and if you’ve already done this, please let me know. A video discussing on how to tell if your commander is an enabler, a payoff, or something else. Along with that a discussion on how each of those different type of commander needs different deck buildings considerations. You’ve discussed this before in other videos, but I feel more dedicated video could be helpful. I’ve been playing for seven years now and sometimes I still fail to take that into consideration.
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
I have defiantly mentioned it before! Honestly I’m not sure I could say enough to get a full vid out of it. But I have an idea I am working on now where that might be a big section of it
@ARK-ep4bb
@ARK-ep4bb Ай бұрын
@@thetrinketmage sounds great. There have been a hand full of new players at the shop I frequent and for many your videos have been a great help in them getting a grasp on many parts of magic and this is one of the things they have been struggling with.
@IvanKolyada
@IvanKolyada Ай бұрын
Well, I am probably that guy, that dumps a couple hundred bucks into every deck (or at least a hundred), and it ends up just okay-good optimized for the most part. But recently I am leaning towards another budget approach - you probably mentioned it on your channel, or some other CMDR-guy on YT “Cards you posses, are essentialy free”. Since there are three separate fully-built Human decks at my disposal, I can move forward with the archetype just mixing and matching new color combinations, and end up spending less than $5 for cards to glue up the new build. This way the MTG version of “20 recipes of kimchi” aka “20 Human decks” can be done. Not to mention, that other decks can be temporarily scavenged for some high-end staples - the likes of Teferi’s Protec and so on. Manabase is also present - all 10 shockland playsets, and any other decent dual land, apart from OGs, fetches and some old filter lands.
@AlexOvTheAbyss
@AlexOvTheAbyss Ай бұрын
With politics - one game someone told me "if you don't cast your commander this turn, I'll take out [biggest threat at the time] my next turn". I wasn't even planning to case my commander that turn, so easiest deal ever 😂
@deadlypandaghost
@deadlypandaghost Ай бұрын
Eh part of it is playstyle. Some deck types are more popular and thus cost more to get the good cards in. IE: Artifact decks are expensive since they are litterally the most popular. Or enchantress can easily get expensive since it runs lots of strong old cards. Meanwhile voltron is often pretty cheap as even if it is moderately powerful, many of the peices have been printed repeatedly at low rarity.
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
I’m not sure I agree, to make a Voltron deck good don’t you want the sword of X and Y cards. And most of those are pretty expensive. Where as artifacts in general is a pretty broad theme and can be built on a budget
@Njzeo
@Njzeo Ай бұрын
My pre con destroyed a cedh deck at magic con Vegas.
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
A lot of cEDH decks especially stax ones will fold to one big creature
@TraeKryzer
@TraeKryzer Ай бұрын
ASK questions, if you don't know who or what the threat is, your opponent will, especially if you ask each of them. Most players are happy to teach threat assessment.
@RooStefano
@RooStefano Ай бұрын
What about a deck that not use any type of win/infinite combos and win just by combat damage, what if you do a video with good unusual commanders that do this?
@Epyon1201
@Epyon1201 28 күн бұрын
Budget should always be able to keep up and competitive and usually is in some form. Problem is people refuse to accept that the budget option limits your choices. They want every option to have a budget option and remain competitive, it's not realistic and annoying.
@ncuco
@ncuco Ай бұрын
All mt decks are budget and they all keep up. I dnt even play with my 3 oldest decks. Gruul Elves, Golgari Counters, Boros Equip - because they win before turn 7 and are under 50euro (at least when I made them)
@zweis
@zweis Ай бұрын
Surprised you didn't mention how good looting is in budget decks. Faithless Looting and Careful Study are both triple SSS (yes S^9) tier in budget decks
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
Although those cards are good and have a home in some decks! I think usually I would rather just draw cards. I don’t use looting effects outside of graveyard builds
@zweis
@zweis Ай бұрын
@@thetrinketmage Respectfully, I disagree. I find those cards have more homes than people give them credit for even outside of graveyard focused decks. Turns out with strong deck building every deck can have GY payoff and card selection ends up being way more important than quantity, especially on a budget. Plus the 1 CMC (or 0 in the case of Frantic Search) is a god send on Looting since you're more likely to have 1 open mana in a game than be on top deck scenario.
@MrTacticalApproach
@MrTacticalApproach Ай бұрын
How can I do that combo on turn 2 if Twinflame only copies creatures I control?
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
Sorry slight hiccup in the script. Twinflame does not actually need a target and can be cast with nothing on board
@user-ep5ve3hf8g
@user-ep5ve3hf8g Ай бұрын
I love KZbinr precons, wish the lgs put decks together and sell them for me in any format, like card kingdom and their begginer 60 card decks for 12 dollars!
@Crimm323
@Crimm323 Ай бұрын
With enough synergy budget doesn't matter
@paolosantilli5221
@paolosantilli5221 20 күн бұрын
Fast mana rocks with low downsides are cedh more than thassa's Oracle
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage 20 күн бұрын
What’s a fast mana rock with high downside?
@paolosantilli5221
@paolosantilli5221 20 күн бұрын
@@thetrinketmage need for High synergy in the deck, enters tapped or remain tapped or incremental mana production.
@alexroel123
@alexroel123 6 күн бұрын
Yasova is alright but its not Sauron lidless eye, also cheap and way more of a fun threaten deck. Youve got black for saccing things and red for taking things
@ry7hym
@ry7hym Ай бұрын
lol i remember when songs of the dryad was not affordable
@Grudi28
@Grudi28 Ай бұрын
my 80 dollar gitrog mount and my 40 usd abdel/candlekeep decks mop the floor constantly against good expensive decks, people need to learn about deckbuilding
@willofthewisp9864
@willofthewisp9864 21 күн бұрын
Barrowblade is OP please buy them. Barrowblade is OP please play them.
@ameliaward7429
@ameliaward7429 Ай бұрын
Back in my OHWFYV days tourney cats used to want to test their decks against my junk rare Cauldron Dance or Roar of Reclamation jank or even my 4-piece Overgrown Estate infinite combo deck to see if their decks hold up to Rogue elements. Spending money to keep up with everyone else is silly. Learn how to BUILD decks and go rogue.
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
What does OHWFYV stand for?
@ameliaward7429
@ameliaward7429 Ай бұрын
@@thetrinketmage OnlyHellWillFillYourVoid. It was a clan on the old MTGO servers. Not sure if they are at all active anywhere but it was an ultra-competitive clan way back around 04ish. Basically a clan of people that most people hated to play against. A clan that not only accepted degenerate playstyles, but celebrated them. Good times. :)
@Lowelo860
@Lowelo860 Ай бұрын
Printer goes brrr. Laughs in proxies
@zotechgaming1095
@zotechgaming1095 22 күн бұрын
Combos take almost no skill to use, while knowing when one is coming and preparing to stop it does. This is why i dislike them. I cant reasonably remember every combo in existence.
@TeethMeat-jm8ou
@TeethMeat-jm8ou 25 күн бұрын
In response I cast politics. So have you noticed...
@hydrolythe
@hydrolythe Ай бұрын
I feel like it is too easy to just recommend combo wins. The famous thoracle combo uses two cards that are both over 10$. I feel like the video could be better if you suggested a few combo's on a budget.
@thetrinketmage
@thetrinketmage Ай бұрын
Is this bait? In the vid I specifically say not to run Oracle combo and instead do something with more synergy. I also suggested multiple budget combos in the vid. Like twinflame and dual caster or archdruid and the staff
@hydrolythe
@hydrolythe Ай бұрын
@@thetrinketmage I suck sometimes. Admittedly there was no discussion on the price of twin flame and dual caster mage in the video, but I feel like I should have been more aware as to what the secondary market in MtG looks like.
@callumarcher8111
@callumarcher8111 Ай бұрын
Wilson Refined Grizzly + Noble Heritage auras is my budget deck and it's able to compete with most other decks fairly well. Aura centred decks in general are pretty cheap and there so much cheap support for auras it's a great place to go if you're looking to play on a budget.
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