Can a Woman Preach If Elders Affirm It?

Ask Pastor John
Episode: 533
Transcript: www.desiringgo...

[@chantallively8399]

"The Bibles not hard to understand. It's just hard to swallow" - Steve Lawson

[@Fasted.carnivore]

So true

[@michaellie5904]

Amen. Also, source please ? Thanks

[@ramonagaibor1898]

IT'S NOT HARD TO UNDERSTAND, IT'S JUST HARD TO FOLLOW!!!

[@2ndPigeon]

It's 2000 year old terminology that has been editted and translated multiple times. There is no point in trying to understand it. It's a jumbled period piece of what people were like at the time. Exodus 21 and all that horrible stuff that is no more thankfully.

[@dvaccino]

Chantal Lively Wow. This hit me HARD.

[@missys.8669]

As a woman who seeks to be more like Christ I agree with all that was said in this episode. We recently moved from Arizona where we attended a Sothern Baptist church to Loughborough Leicestershire, England, which meant we had to find a new church to be members of. It was hard due to the fact that churches are allowing women to preach under the authority of the elders or they appoint a woman outright to be the lead elder or pastor/preacher of their churches. It is crazy to me because Gods word is so clear on this issue. Thank you for addressing this issue...problem that is rampant these days.

[@fransikajohn9005]

This episode is far from scripture. Before Paul spoke, God spoke, his Son spoke. Is Paul in opposition to God and his Son? No! Is it not that you Anti-God anti-women people seek to use scripture to justify your own prejudice, hate and jealousy. Christ came to restore man (male and female) to original status of equal dominion. Only the regenerated born-again man can understand the restoration, not the unregenerated ungodly who remains in his sin but profess to know God, and wants to explain things of the Spirit of God. Which he cannot understand. 1CORINTHIANS 2:14. Christianity is an ungodly religion of Rome, with many having unscriptual philosophies and theories to suit their personal agendas, but they are not the Almighty Creator.

[@latexbuster]

@@fransikajohn9005 The Bible is clear and is never self contradictory. It is God's Word and can not contradict itself. Therefore what you are trying to express falls outside the intention of the passage you are quoting. Try Numbers 23:19 or I Cor 14:33.

[@baronreed8131]

@@fransikajohn9005 Your Theology will not withstand Biblical Scholastic Peer review.

[@SevenFeathers1023]

That's because men have become weak and rather be fishing then in a church pew or behind a pulpit on Sunday morning. Godly men are falling to the wayside and refusing to lead their home less a church as God intended.

[@SevenFeathers1023]

@@fransikajohn9005 Christianity isn't Roman oriented at all Catholicism maybe

[@kendraborczuch-kitts8935]

I love this because I love truth. Thankful for your obedience in keeping God’s word pure.

[@j-mshistorycorner6932]

It's not truth. jmshistorycorner.wordpress.com/2020/04/24/bring-on-women-pastors/

[@stefan00017]

To understand these verses, we must under- stand the situation in which Paul and Timothy worked. In first-century Jewish culture, women were not allowed to study. When Paul said that women should "learn qui- etly and submissively." he was offering them an amaz- ing new opportunity to learn God's Word. That they were to listen and learn quietly and submissivelys referred to an attitude of quietness and composure (not total silence). In addition, Paul himself acknowledges that women publicly prayed and prophesied (1 Corinthi- ans 11:5). Apparently, however, the women in the msl Ephesian church were abusing their newly acquired Christian freedom. Because these women were new10 converts, they did not yet have the necessary experi-m ence, knowledge, or Christian maturity to teach thoses who already had extensive scriptural education. 2:12 Some interpret this passage to mean that wormen should never teach in the assembled church; however, commentators point out that Paul did not forbid women from ever teaching. Paul's commended co- worker, Priscilia, taught Apolos. the great preacher (Acts 18.24-26). Paul frequently mentioned other women who held positions of responsibility in the church, Phoebe worked in the church (Romans 16:1). Mary. Tryphena, Tryphosa and Persis were the Lord's workers (Romans 16:6, 12), as were Euodia and Syntyche (Philippians 4:2). Paul vwas very likely pro- hibiting the Ephesian women, not all women, from teaching (see the note on 2:9-15). Paul did not want the Ephesian women to teach because they didn't yet have enough knowledge or experience. The Ephesian church had a particular prob- lem with false teachers. Evidently the women were especially susceptible to the false teachings (2 Timothy 3:1-9) because they did not yet have enough biblical knowledge to discern the truth. In addition, some of the women were apparently flaunting their newfound Christian freedom by wearing inappropriate clothing (2.9). Paul was telling Timothy not to put anyone (in this case, women) into position of leadership whool was not yet mature in the faith (see 3:6; 5:22). The same principle applies to churches today (see the note on 3:6). 2:13, 14 In previous letters Paul had discussed male/ female roles in marriage (Ephesians 5:21-33; Colos- sians 3:18, 19). Here he talks about male/female roles within the church. Some scholars see these verses about Adam and Eve as an illustration of what was hap- pening in the Ephesian church. Just as Eve had been deceived in the Garden of Eden, so the women in the church were being deceived by false teachers. And just as Adam was the first human created by God, so the men in the church in Ephesus should be the first to speak and teach, because they had more training. This view, then, stresses that Paul's teaching here is not universal but applies to churches with similar prob- lems. Other scholars, however, contend that the roles Paul points out are God's design for his created order-God established these roles to maintain har- mony in both the family and the church. 2:14 Paul is not excusing Adam for his part in the Fall (Genesis 3:6, 7, 17-19). On the contrary, in his letter women to the Romans Paul places the primary humanity's sinful nature on Adam (Romans 5:12-21).

[@flunkiebubs2002]

Obedience is a weakness.

[@therealtrabo]

@@David-_-_- Paul‘s words in Scripture hold the same weight and authority as Jesus’s. And when he is expressing an opinion rather than a command, he is sure to clarify that. Also, there are certain things that Jesus did not speak on, which is why Paul addresses them throughout his writings. One clear example is Paul’s writings on divorce. He addressed certain points that Jesus did not in his ministry because it never came up.

[@therealtrabo]

@@David-_-_- well I believe in the sovereignty of God and I believe that “All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,” (2 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬). Which means I believe in the 100% infallibility and inerrancy of Scripture. How evil would God be to allow the Bible to contain commands that contradict His own heart? He would not be sovereign if you say He could not control what was put into His Word, and He would not be kind of allowed false information to be spread to millions of people because He knows it would 1. Confuse many people and cause them to stumble and 2. Directly contradict His own heart on those matters. To say that any part of Scripture is not just as much the Word of God as any other is to deny God’s true character. Furthermore, to disbelieve or disobey any word of Scripture is to disobey God. God cannot lie or speak falsely, so how could the Bible, if all of it is breathed out by God, contain any lie or hint of untruth? Jesus says in John 17:17 while praying to the Father, “Sanctify them in the truth; your word is TRUTH.” He does not say God’s word is true, as if it has a higher standard to conform to, but rather that the Bible itself IS the highest standard of truth that God has given us. Truth is what God says, and we have what He says, accurately but not exhaustively, in the Bible. In regards to churches shying away from Paul’s teaching and watering it down, it sounds like those are churches who do not know how to rightly handle the Word of God. In an attempt to be culturally relevant or whatever else the motivation is, they brush over or misinterpret God’s Word and its authority, which says to me if they do that in one area they are likely doing so in multiple areas. Regardless, every church I have been a member of the past few years, including the one I am currently involved in, has affirmed and taught that a woman shall not hold a position of authority in a church as outlined by the role of and elder. She may serve in the church and lead other women, but the role of a teaching pastor is not to be held by a woman, thus says the Lord through his apostle Paul. “Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.” ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:11-12‬ I do not see in the verse that a woman cannot ask questions or learn or study or teach other women. Simply that she may not exercise authority over a man. Remain quiet when it comes to a pulpit position. A woman can share her testimony to the whole church… she is not teaching but rather sharing what God has done in her life. A woman can sing on the worship team and lead beautifully with her God-given talent. But a woman cannot teach the Word of God because in doing so she contradicts the Word of God which clearly states that she must not hold that position. In 2 Timothy 2, we see that included in the qualifications to be an overseer (or elder), he must be “the husband of one wife…” and by that very definition, a woman cannot be the husband of one wife. Therefore a woman cannot exercise the role of elder. I honestly have to say that unless you agree on the authority Scripture as being straight from the heart of God, being entirely true as he is true, there is really nothing more to discuss. And if you do agree on those points, then the truth of this teaching, as hard as it can be to swallow, should be revealed to you. And that’s really all I have to say about it.

[@gabriellachieng]

So good! I've been trying to understand this Scripture for such a long time. Wow 🙆🏾‍♀️

[@bhilldesign]

don't buy into this interpretation please. it's sexism hiding in fancy words. Let a woman preach.

[@gabriellachieng]

@@bhilldesign I've actually been looking into this a lot more since I wrote my first comment and I got more context to it. From other explanations I've read, the church in Ephesus had members who used to worship the goddess Artemis, and in their mythology, Artemis was born first then she helped birth her twin brother Apollo. So because of that they glorified women to the point where they elevated them above men. The Greek word used in that Scripture that's translated to 'authority' was referring to an aggressive and domineering kind of authority. So essentially, women in the Ephesian church were preaching in a way that they were being domineering over men. Paul was speaking against a gender hierarchy that makes one gender "superior" to another because that's not even godly. And it's also valid the other way round if you think about it. So it all adds up the way I see it, even with Pastor John's explanation about not doing things in a way that goes against the order God put in place. Plus, we're all constantly learning and re-learning God's word, so we should give people we don't agree with grace to grow in their knowledge and understanding of of the Scriptures.

[@Andile_Mdlalose]

@@gabriellachieng God could have created Adam and Eve simultaneously but he didn't. Only the males in the Levi tribe were given the priestly office. Jesus had 12 male disciples. The females that were always with Jesus were for another purpose. Mark 15:40. There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome; 41. (Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him;) and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.

[@koosvanpetten5567]

@@bhilldesign Read Colossens 2 vers 8. and 1 Timothy 2 vers 11-14.

[@koosvanpetten5567]

@@bhilldesign Read Colossens 2 vers 8 and 1 Timothy 2 vers 11-14. "And if you do not understand something, ask Me", says God, "and I will answer you."!!!

[@wesleyonyango7719]

scriture is clear as the day . women shuold not preach but sit quietly this need no explanation you either take it or leaveit

[@carlachristine8244]

It requires so much explanation, as Paul also says women should “prophesy” with their head covered… this happens in a public setting of combined congregation and holds a level of authority and teaching with men present and Paul is affirming women in this. Clearly, this passage cannot simply mean “women be completely quiet”.

[@smeatonlighthouse4384]

A woman can minister to other women. She can also give a report of some Christian service to a congregation including men. She may not minister the word to men. I would change the question to 'Should elders who affirm that a woman should preach to men, be elders in the first place?

[@tatriceshipp9139]

She can actually speak for Jesus to both men and women in assembly. 1st Corithians 11-14.

[@caroline2873]

@Douglas @Jade Lee just a little FYI: do you know that man in Israël MUST go to the synagoge, and that the woman are allowed to go, but it is not obligated for they naturally live closer to God and are softer in nature ;-)

[@caroline2873]

​@Douglas I did not say that women are allowed to talk in church, I said that women live closer to God naturally. According to the Jewish tradition (= The olive tree on which we are grafted by grace, as you can read in the NT). Your answer is a perfect example about being harder than women. And again a little FYI: Israel still is Gods people, not because they listen so good to Him, but because of His covenant with Abraham (genesis 15) and He will never break His word. He did not and will not break His covenant with them and there is a great place for them in the future. They are going back to the land as we speak, predicted in the prophets. So I would really, really low down your tongue about saying that they are unredeemed and put yourself above them. I think you know the fruit of the Spirit in Gal 5.... try to live it out. You are not the one to judge, only God is (fortunately).

[@j-mshistorycorner6932]

@Douglas Utter crap. That's patriarchy, not Scripture. jmshistorycorner.wordpress.com/2020/04/24/bring-on-women-pastors/

[@j-mshistorycorner6932]

@Douglas You are taking 1 Corinthians 14:34-38 out of context - quite sinisterly, I might add. jmshistorycorner.wordpress.com/2019/06/30/kjv-only/

[@briangoodban7308]

Good discussion and approach to the text. I’d also add for clarity that the Bible must be treated as a whole and complete work that compliments and commentates on itself.

[@junimimi777]

Dear pastor John, please can you tell me.. What about the deborah in the old testament where God raised her as one of the judges of israel....??

[@adventuresoflittlejohnny]

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[@gregb6469]

Elders do not have carte blanche to ignore Biblical precepts.

[@j-mshistorycorner6932]

And there's no Biblical precept against female pastors. jmshistorycorner.wordpress.com/2020/04/24/bring-on-women-pastors/

[@gregb6469]

@@j-mshistorycorner6932 -- Church leaders can only be men, because only men can be the husband of one wife. I Tim 3:2 Also, I Timothy, there is no 'original Aramaic', because Paul wrote the letter in Greek.

[@j-mshistorycorner6932]

@@gregb6469 The NT was primarily written in Hebrew and Aramaic, but that's for another discussion. And that phrase was a expression used to mean married - whether male or female.

[@gregb6469]

@@j-mshistorycorner6932 -- You are confused. It is the Old Testament that was written in Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament was written entirely in Greek.

[@55runescaper]

@@j-mshistorycorner6932 That's the Old Testament bro.

[@marcaskew7125]

PROVERBS 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

[@bernardshand3697]

So do you believe in or allow, or ordain women as pastor, elder, apostle or appoint then teachers in your congregation?

[@marcaskew7125]

@@bernardshand3697 This is what the Lord does not me

[@bernardshand3697]

@@marcaskew7125 your answer isn't clear brother

[@factstruth1520]

Biblical Facts: Paul the Apostle was the last apostle. Anyone who declares otherwise is either wilfully ignorant of Biblical truth or blatantly evil and in rebellion against Almighty GOD. The "Social Gospel" is not the Gospel of the Holy Bible and the Lord Jesus Christ who was born of the virgin Mary of Jewish (Hebrew, Semitic,Caucasoid) ancestry.

[@ernieland2480]

Is that a yes or no?

[@leveece]

Let the truth prevail and let every lie be silenced! You have spoken a great truth...

[@ernieland2480]

Charms is that a yes or no?

[@MrUfojunkiedavid]

As they say I'm the world,, "what part of the word NO don't you understand?".

[@christianterry700]

If elders affirm it then they are not true elders. Nuff said.

[@jeffersonmonroe1039]

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[@bettymofokeng8342]

Thanks pastor for your explanation. Im a divorcee mother of two beautiful girls , our pastor is a newly born again, and passionate about God , his wife is long in the Lord, from bible school and has a good understanding of scripture but... i gues she is a woman. Once you ask something or share your challenge with the pastor for advice(i ask him cause i don"t have a husband to ask at home),the he has find a Sunday sermon and even call the persons name, repremand in the middle of the sermon, make it a long story, some sunday hecsay it straight if you have come with a bible, im not even gonna open it, it prophesy day no bible reading, every Sunday he comes with something different for congregation to take out money for their healing, if its not a red string its salt, its always something, there so much unfortunately he is a man, he has authority and there is nothing we can(including her wife) do we have to submit as women and i feel as a head of my family i need to protect my self and kids from wrong doctrine of the pastor. I decided to leave that church

[@Namine_025]

I appreciate your story. Thank you. Many people do not think about situations like this or even mention it. They are just like "well women are dumb and men have all the answers so be quiet cause you don't know better." And I'm like...."really? I know many men who ruin their family's finances, strike their wives, never get jobs, and pimp out their wife's body because "he's so immaculately and needs income"

[@norm1158]

This isn’t the constitution where it can be amended.

[@emmaG390]

After reading the book "misreading scripture with western eyes" I realized that not all biblical rules are supposed to be taken literally, as Western readers often do, but as it would've been understood then, and by people of a different culture, as that was the readership. I believe the ordination of women in the Anglican church has done a lot of good, and if someone has a gift, to then suppress that, it's not really doing the ministry any service, certainly not the kingdom of God. There are fewer men in church now and to choose someone without a gift or qualifications, over women who do and have, as I've seen, is to hinder what the spirit is doing, and for what? Will God really say, thank you, You kept the "order" and the words literally, but my kingdom is stunted because you didn't let my daughters who have a gift I gave her, speak. So many opportunities gone. I respect John Piper and agree with him on a lot, but not on this. I also encourage people to read other translations of the Bible, not only the Complementary ESV, because some actually wrote that a woman was a Deacon.

[@boicejr8380]

I disagree we cant break Gods word to uphold another part of it saying God we need a leader cause u say so so we will break what u say over hre to obey what u have said here. I will not say that there hasnt been amy good from women teaching but to take human results above the word of God is dangerous inatead we should thank God that inspite of our disobedience he still blessed us and then try to conform to what his word says.

[@emmaG390]

@@boicejr8380 think that's not my point? As a translator I know that original audiences and translator bias can change meaning before the reader reads. And reader bias, what worldview they hold already, also changes interpretation. No good translator translates literally, so why would any good reader just read the words without taking into account context (historical and present). I recommend you read that book which is by renowned pastors based in good theology.

[@boicejr8380]

Please dont be offended I honestly just love discussing and debating the Bible its just who I am, and honestly I learn the best this way. However when u say that the translators could translate wrong you are getting into some very dangerous water cause u are not really question modern interpretation of the Bible but rather u are questioning the integrity of God's word as it is. If God is omnipotent then mans translation will not discredit his word in the slightest. It was like when he says to peter in Matthew 16: 18 "I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of hell will not prevail. So if we say that mabye this verse that says women cant pastor is or could be mistranslated we fall into a pit where we can question everything in the Bible and simply just cherry pick what suits us please don't think this is me just getting on u I just want to see if this is where your stance is if not please correct me. Also read 1 Corinthians 12:12-31 Just because we have different functions does not mean we are unequal or dispensable. Even as what humans would perceive as the smallest lowly job Scripture teaches that it is just as important as the greatest teacher or missionary. I hope you have a good day or night.

[@boicejr8380]

p.s. this took me like over 20 minutes to find ur commet lol

[@emmaG390]

@@boicejr8380 this is not a balance debate and you're not informed. Of course we need to rely on the holy spirit to interpret and there is an element of faith, but history and language changes throughout time. Middle Eastern audiences will interpret a passage different from you. I use the NET Bible with has translator notes so the translation process is transparent. Even Bible scholars know the forces behind different versions of the English Bible, so they have all the information to interpret the Bible correctly. It helps you to understand the original author s intent. I'm not going to persuade you, because it's not easy to do the work so people just take things at face value. Good luck with that!

[@yury2749]

My mom taught me the bible. I think a lot of women know the bible really well. You wanna preach? Preach to your family.

[@glitteryapple6819]

Why not let them be successful in something that they are good at? Why just limit it to the family?

[@amandachukwu8719]

Let God be true and every man be a liar ,- we submit 🙏

[@anneharrison1849]

We are in a time of transition in our church. I'm quite new to it, so I don't know the exact structures earlier, it's possible there was a time when there were not multiple elders and the sole elder was the male pastor. We now have three male elders, but no paid staff, thus it's hard for the preaching/teaching needs to be met. All invited speakers are male, but there are the occassional times when a women in the church will teach the whole church and yet it always remains clear that the leadership/authority is with those three men. We are small, but we reach a geographical area no one else is reaching, it is a deprived area and many to not have cars and there is minimal public transport on a Sunday morning to access other churches. I don't think any of those women are teaching out of a belief that they have the God given authority to do so, rather out of humble service to the church that desperately needs to hear the bible taught. I was very uncomfortable with it at first but having discussed it with some of those woman I see it as a non ideal but necessary phase in our church life as the church continues to live and grow after the departure of it's long term pastor, also called John, with a similarly long ministry at the church as John Piper and BBC. As a small church in a deprived neighbourhood we don't have the luxury of an ideal transition. There are many times in the bible where things we know to be not God's design happen without comment, some use them as examples to try and present God's design differently, I don't believe this is the case, but it is an ongoing struggle to understand these situations within the narrative of the bible.

[@micahyah9076]

Question: Which one of you would stop a Woman from teaching The Truth?

[@HeMels92]

God

[@jeanpaulgartier3404]

I wouldn't, her sin is not my problem. Talk all you want

[@HeMels92]

@@jeanpaulgartier3404 That's what Adam did, now see where that got us :') you as a man DO have the responsibility to lead as a man that the women will follow and stop the things which are not hers to do

[@jeanpaulgartier3404]

@@HeMels92 if it were my daughter or my wife, sure. However I have no place telling old ladies in church to shut up if the elders remain silent

[@smeatonlighthouse4384]

Answer: The woman would be disobedient to the 'truth' if she was teaching men. She would basically be a hypocrite.

[@evangellyfishlife8479]

She must remain quiet during the worship service case closed

[@kevinbarton1661]

Amen .

[@susanbrown4419]

Said the man,

[@evangellyfishlife8479]

@@susanbrown4419 I think you meant to say said God

[@nkrumansantos1794]

How many female apostles did Jesus have? Then Why?

[@nkrumansantos1794]

@@David-_-_- Men are built to lead under any social or environmental condition. Jesus knew better. The best leaders prepare disciples specially for the worst times and not only for the good ones.

[@nkrumansantos1794]

@@David-_-_- Paul is not talking about subservience. Instead, he is teaching about order. Women have power in the Bible and have multiple roles too.

[@nkrumansantos1794]

@@David-_-_- I don't take people, that call themselves Christians but don't follow the rules of the Bible, seriously. The Bible have phases. All of them are consistent on how women should behave. No man should come and try to explain what is evident in the Bible.

[@nkrumansantos1794]

@@David-_-_- I no longer attend to churches. Because the only thing that you can guard from corruption is your spirit. Churches no longer defend The Bible.

[@nkrumansantos1794]

@@David-_-_- Yes

[@tanjaalincic6184]

Hello, I have been going to a church where husband is Seniour pastor and so is His wife. I have been rebuked from their pulpit which I don't know how they could know my own prayer at home by my self when I was thinking about it all I was told off for saying and blaming pastors in my church. I was told that Paul was wrong and that pastors can be women. I have to tell you i made mistakes in church I sang too loud in worship I told a life group leader to stop gossiping about people in church and to stop bullying i spoke really loudly in worship one time affirming God's promises oh gosh I messed up.a lot but I am leaving this church and finally i agree that man.is God's choice to lead and to teach in church, I finally accept it that I can trust God and be under a true pastor of God and for me to lead life for Jesus Christ. 4 years ago I got saved i am now 48 and have understood that as a women I can trust that Jesus will lead me to a church that is about Jesus crucified, is about order as God has stated in paul and to pray more then ever . Any comments would be appreciated Tanja

[@smeatonlighthouse4384]

Tanja Alincic - Hi Tanja. If you ask me, you are doing very well so far yourself. You have found Christ as your saviour (every blessing to you). You are looking to the Lord by His Spirit for guidance, which is a sign of dependence on Him, which is totally correct. There are many who despise the apostle Paul's teaching, but THEY are totally wrong themselves. It is through Paul's ministry that we have the knowledge of the Church which is the Body of Christ, that we are members of that body, of all the many blessings that we have laid up for us in Heaven 'in Christ'. It is Paul that really explains the way of Salvation by grace through faith in Romans and then gives us the knowledge of the purposes and counsels of God 'in Christ' which when the two teachings are understood gives us complete confidence in our God and His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. If you have the spirit of Prayer, the Lord bless you all the more as prayer is one of the great lacks of many Christians. Tanja, you will have opposition from the world, but probably even more from 'professing Christians' of whom many are just self righteous hypocrites who don't know the Lord at all.

[@tanjaalincic6184]

@@smeatonlighthouse4384 Thank you all, the good news it's the greatest news, it is not the law but through grace of the only faith in Christ Jesus it a amazing that I am saved God must of been watching me all those 4 years and got me out He truly is so kind and caring that I justified . I understand now about the apostle Paul what he was sent to proclaim Christ crucified for all sinners. There is no way thAt I could fulfil the mosaic law no way . You know what, I need the gospel old and new testament to keep me in the knowledge for my soul because when I was in Nar the sermons were all.about self help no wounder I could not know always trying always thinking i had to get money , it is so important and I want sermons that teach in context the truth in the whole bible and I want same over over how else could i stay equipped . Your so right about Paul and I am glad . Thank you all again , I still cry sometimes about the pastors especially the women pastor and her husband pastor how could he be so deceived it is the Holy Spirit that convicts. What is sad is they are christian physics it almost killed me I think it's evil.and dangerous and abusive , Jesus knows the Father and God is sovereign and I pray that He will convict and save them all. As for me I read and study scripture in the way of Jesus and only Jesus. I believe and am.confident in Jesus as He gave it all to me first this is the greatest love that sustains me and keeps me going. 1 Corinthians and Romans keeps my soul the living word. So when we are allowed to gather again I am going to a Lutheran church and stay where the gospel is taught . God Bless you Thank you

[@marcaskew7125]

PROVERBS 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

[@afterhisheart4473]

I felt as if this verse was left for me, thank you. Watching this video and reading through some of the comments had me so discouraged, there is so much women are not to do I wondered what can I do for Him...I saw this comment and trusted my Father no matter what... A little while later I was reminded of Esther in the Bible, how one woman's utter obedience to God saved a nation. I am not forgotten, and He has filled me with joy once more.

[@Cassie27200383]

What about at home? What if the wife is more knowledgeable than her husband? Should she teach him, or be silent? It wouldn't make sense to remain silent on things she has learned all because he is her husband.

[@misspriss2482]

One on one ministry is different. Of course she should teach him. She just needs to make sure that this doesn't cause her to usurp his authority in other areas, disrespect him because she is more knowledgeable, or use her knowledge against him to "win a fight" or shut him down. I've seen men do this to their wives and it's an ugly dynamic.

[@rhondarockhound622]

You must look at the context of the particular situation Paul is addressing. Did women have leadership over men in their pagan temples ? In Paul’s time women were not educated. In our times women are well educated and know the scriptures. Paul was not giving rules and commands, but rather advice. If we make people conform to social traditions, then we might as well be Pharisees. Each congregation should choose their leaders on their abilities and gifts, as the sprit leads. Jesus continues to break down barriers and prejudices now ,just as he did in his ministry. He reinterpreted the Old Testament by fulfilling it and revealing God’s true heart, which was buried in cultural rules and regulations. Let’s not make the same mistake and bury Jesus in our dogmas.

[@ulisesperezperez4879]

My question Is, if Jesús was breaking prejudiced, why were His 12 disciples only men? Of course im not saying women are less capable, but i believe Jesús also knew the importance of this order, Lets not forget that he prayed to the father before chosing His disciples. Like i said , that doesnt mean that women didnt have a special place in Gods heart, i mean , when he Rose from His tomb he showed himself to women first. In our human logic if he showed himself to women in His resurection it would have been More logical that he "should" have chosen those women to be part of the disciples to testify of His resurection, but he didnt. Sorry for my bad writing, english Is not my native language😅

[@rhondarockhound622]

This teaching will keep many people, especially women from knowing Christ. Rules and laws become a stumbling block. I want to focus on the gospel. Are you saying my salvation depends on getting this right?

[@user-hj4uo7py5m]

@@rhondarockhound622 Christ reminded his Apostles that it wasn't about Position. But about Serving. Humility of Heart is what God honors. If woman or men allow themselves to be offended solely based on the fact that they can't preach, pastor etc. There's a heart issue. And this Conviction alone should hold us back to first examine our hearts before we dare preach unto others. And if no man wants to stand in the gap. By all means Let the Lord rise up Woman who will such as Esther's.. As the psalmist put it, Great peace have they that Love your Law and nothing shall offend them. That's the issue with the church today. Many become offended because of Doctrinal differences. And so they allow their hearts to be polluted , focusing rathor on position and a "name" for ourselves to be "noticed" and we lose focus on the Humility that Christ Stressed to His apostles. I agree I definitely interpret Paul's instructions to Timothy based on the culture that was present at that time. Woman worshipped a false dietys named Diana. And even now many woman still today are worshipping this false dietys teaching they are Superior to men especially here in the west. Humility is What God honors, not position.

[@rhondarockhound622]

Servant of Christ you have a good point. However I’ve been going to church all my life and depending on men to teach me. Now with access to the internet I’ve discovered that I have not been taught how to to read scripture, defend my faith or share the gospel. In church we hear all the beautiful scriptures, but if we actually read all of the Bible it’s not an easy read. There is so much hidden meaning behind the ancient context and it’s violence - I just can’t accept as God’s will. Unfortunately When my children went to college, they weren’t prepared to defend their faith. And when they saw mean spirited Christians they decided christianity is a big farce. If and when God calls me to speak or teach I will do it ! Even if a man tells me to sit down and shut up. My church is dwindling. Where have all the young people gone?

[@user-hj4uo7py5m]

@@rhondarockhound622 I'll be praying for you. And His church he has entrusted in your care. Remain Humble. And continue to seek Him and His perfect will for your Life. After all Mary Magdalene, The Samaritan woman, Esther and many more woman of God couldn't hold back because they encountered Christ. Why should you hold back? I've met Christians who are very contentuous but God is The Judge. Don't you ever stop Preaching Christ and what he did for you! The matter of woman preachers is only a temporary matter. But a woman who fears the Lord is and Eternal Blessing. I'm praying for you even now Rhonda. God bless you and your house

[@Pastor_Grant]

So women can teach without authority, all teaching is authoritative where am i going wrong? Alistair Begg says women can speak Sunday morning if the elders approve it.

[@wesfin]

3:05-3:45-4:25-4:45, 7:15

[@EdwinMendez91074]

No. If elders supersede scripture then we have Roman Catholicism all over again, and we know how that went.

[@TheCupidsMuse]

Also you concluded with women should be active but not as “pastors/leaders/preachers” but did not clarify how then they should be active or how they can “actively” be “quiet”... please expound on this

[@kudzai6131]

evangelism

[@brendawallgren8354]

Titus explains who and what women should be teaching. I hope this helps. Be blessed!

[@tys8965]

To me, its understandable that women would want to preach and teach. People get very angry about women wanting to preach or teach when, for some women, it's a talent that they have. It's also understandable that women would not want this piece of advice from timothy to be true. If it weren't true that in history there is a pervasive tendency of men abusing this authority over women, I'm sure women wouldn't be so sore about this statement. It seems that men in many ways have free reign in regards to the things that they are permitted to do whereas women are limited. It doesn't seem fair to me, as a woman. I also don't think that feminism at its very core is a bad thing or that it is detrimental to living a christian life. When God said he would make the man a "helper" it did not refer to someone subordinate or an assistant. This English word "helper" diminishes the meaning of the word in Hebrew. The word is used 21 times in the old testament and 16 of those times its referring to God. In the Hebrew text, the phrase "a suitable helper for him" doesn't even hint at subordination. Look it up. Also, when Jesus came, the new Adam, and fulfilled the prophecy in Genesis 3, did he not set right what was done wrong by Adam and Eve? So wouldn't living in Christ bring us back to the original relational dynamic set forth in Genesis. I know that certain genders are better suited to certain things then others and I know that the bible is the word of God and is truth. I guess I just need to pray, because it just seems to me like people like to use these few scriptures to keep limitations on women. Throughout history and even in conversations like this, it seems like under assertions of "it is what it is" or "stop trying to change the scriptures!" is a current of maintaining control or power. Again, I guess I need to study more or pray more.

[@Contrarian-v7p]

I don't know anymore. I'm only 22 and trying to figure this out but the things Ive seen men do to women even in the church and how they treat them while clobbering them with those bible passages . . . . It's actually made me borderline suicidal, I'm not gonna lie. Christ was supposed to bring freedom but I have never felt more trapped.

[@tys8965]

@@Contrarian-v7p When Cain was having dark thoughts about his brother Abel, God told him that sin was crouching at his door but that he must rule over it. Suicidal and dark thoughts are definitely the devil crouching at your door. The enemy uses the word of God as well as people in the church to try to get us to reject God and fall into despair. I understand your feelings. When reading sometimes it feels like God thinks that women are second-class citizens. However, my experiences with God tell me differently. I also believe that God has put talents within me and purposed me to lead in some way in the church. I trust that God will figure out how to guide me into my purpose while also abiding by his word. Don't let the enemy make you feel trapped! You are not! Also, maybe find another church. If this church is making you feel this way I can't imagine that this is the right home for you. God knew you before he created you and he predestined you for purpose and good works. He will not let any man or woman stand in the way of what he has set out for you to do. Tell God how you feel, tell him how you think its unfair and that you don't want to be trapped, God hears and responds to a broken and humble heart. You ARE free in Christ, this journey is a lifelong one. Be a little bit more patient and God will bring you out of this season.

[@Contrarian-v7p]

@@tys8965 I really appreciate your encouragement but I dont think this is something I can overcome. My problem is that even within the context of the creation account, the argument is that men alone were created in the image of God to bear his glory and dominion over the earth. Their superior physical strength and speed attests to that because those are the traits most suited to that purpose. Women were made for men, for their glory and not God's. Women were made significantly physically weaker than men and I understand that men were supposed to protect women but if God knew that sin would create a world of violence, he would know how disproportionately women would be on the receiving end of that violence and pain and he STILL chose to give us the physical disadvantage despite being more vulnerable as the result of the curse pronounced at Eden. That along with a clear male preference throughout the bible . . . I cannot describe to you how that makes me feel. It makes me feel so incredibly worthless and unloved. It makes me hate my body just for being female. It makes me feel like I am nothing more than an add-on gift to men and like I'm not a whole person. Like God would rather deal with and fellowship with men. It makes me want to hate God. I feel like an outsider because the entire Godhead and angels are all male. Like there is an inherent quality of grandeur they all have that I cannot partake in. I didnt ask to be female. I've tried praying about it but nothing happens and I just end up not wanting to pray at all because it now feels as of there is some barrier between me and God. I'm trying to deal with this but I can honestly say that if not for my parents who I know would be crushed by it, I would take my own life without any reservation. I'm sorry to unload this on you as a stranger but I cannot speak to anyone else and I feel I'll explode if I dont get it out.

[@tys8965]

@@Contrarian-v7p Hi Jade! It's no problem, honestly. I've dealt with many of the thoughts that you are experiencing and in different ways I have also experienced a darkness that I thought I could not overcome. When reading the bible, whether we know it or not, many times we're looking for confirmation of something we already believe to be true. If that's the case, you will find it and it will be heartbreaking. Many times during my struggles with fear, I've looked to the scriptures hoping to find assurance but they only incited greater fear and anxiety. It made me think that God was a tyrant, who wanted to do whatever he wanted with my life and I didn't have any choice in the matter. He could kill me, give me a disease, watch me suffer and I just had to accept it because he's God. Reading the bible only proved these things to me. However, when those thoughts and reasonings were at the front of my mind making me bitter and resentful and angry, in the back of my mind were my experiences. I'd never starved or went without basic needs, I had never been seriously sick or ill and both of my parents are alive and love me. I'd also prayed and felt joy/peace before, I'd felt like I heard God speak to me before and I looked at the goodness of God in my life and in the lives of others. My journey to the other side started when I joined a new church community. I got involved and joined a year long program, reading through the bible with a pastor and other ladies. My faith went up and down. I had tons of doubts and I'm sure the pastor thought I was attacking him with my dissecting and incendiary questions. This was probably the lowest point for me, I also thought a lot about suicide. When I was in the throws of mental turmoil, I thought that dying would be better than continuing to live like this. At the end of the program, I did a month long fast and I outlined clear results I wanted to get from the Lord. It took a while but He began to speak to me through sermons, journaling, the bible and other Christians. That was the beginning of an up and down journey of ascent out of 4 years of fear, anxiety, depression and mental torture. It's been 6 months since that fast and I'm now starting to experience the truth of God through the holy spirit. Retrospectively, I 100% know that I needed to go through what I went through to have this solid faith in God, his love, his will, and his purpose in my life. It can feel unbearable and bleak but don't give up. Find a good community, also go to therapy, I started therapy a year ago and it really helped me to get everything out of my mind. God is not a man. He does not have a gender. God is Spirit (Jn 4:24). He made both man and woman in his image. Think about the way God's character is described "merciful, compassionate, slow to anger, forgiving, loving, comforting..." which sex usually embodies those qualities? Women! Think about how the holy spirit is described "a comforter, a helper, an advocate, wise" women are all of those things and more. The bible is God's inspired word but it is also a historical text that was written by men over centuries, we have to expect that cultural norms will affect the tone, word choice and intended audiences. The God of the universe is unfathomably more multidimensional than we can ever understand and I believe that God created women for himself, just like the entire universe was created for himself. I wish we would talk on the phone. If you're open to that I can direct message you my information. Pslam 42:5...

[@Contrarian-v7p]

@@tys8965 Can I ask you a favour? Please read this article and tell me what you think about it: www.9marks.org/article/man-and-woman-in-creation-genesis-1-and-2/ It has been the most comprehensive explanation of the Genesis story and one that has truly confirmed my fears. Thank you, for taking the time out of your day to write out such a thoughtful and kind response. And thank you for offering to call me, I appreciate it but I will have to decline. I'm done. I cant do this anymore, the fact that women have to squint and do copious amounts of background research just to justify not being treated like second class citizens is telling. I never thought living in salvation would ever make me suicidal but it is. I've had the same grievances you've had and for the longest time I just had to push through, ignore it, because God is God. I'm sick of it. I do not desire to spend eternity with a being that does not love me. I dont know what will happen to my soul, perhaps I was never truly saved at all. Either way, I am well and truly finished.

[@victoryartist1641]

Look at the video “women in ministry” by John Crowder. It explains that this text is about cultural context.

[@risingdawn5788]

We could make an argument that any text is about cultural context, but that doesn't change the fact that it's also the word of God for us today as inspired by the Holy Spirit.

[@bro.junrubin5072]

The bible NEVER allowed woman to preach INSIDE the church..as simple as that...

[@preciadocr1ss]

Luke 16:10 New International Version 10 “Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much,(A) and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much. When we have new bodies we will not be male or female, we will rule with Christ! But for now, we need to be obedient and faithful! And believe in the word of God and follow his authority, he is testing our faith and obedience, And how much we trust him! Authority is very important for God, he has the right to rule, when we walk according to his will we are in harmony with his peace, and we are worthy of his Kindom! we don’t want to be rebellious, we are done with that , cause been sinners only take us to death! But loving and trusting God who is just and merciful , is life joy, and peace though Jesús Christ! Matthew 25:23 23 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things.(A) Come and share your master’s happiness!’

[@andrewlawrencei3239]

Obedient is better than rebellious acts.

[@alisacooper6662]

WHY can't women take the Word of God for what the scriptures says not what they want it to say

[@Lengsel7]

Because it simply isn't as simple as all that.

[@noemisierra8479]

If your are following Jesus, he commanded to go and spread the gospel, whether you are male or female. If you are following Paul ; then you will be oppress by his exhortation and Jesus is against oppression of any kind, that is why he was crucified and nailed any bondage at the cross, so we can live by grace and practice the privilege/gift of free will, that it was given to us by him.

[@dimains6011]

@@noemisierra84791. Free will is nowhere affirmed by the Bible. 2. You either accept God's word, or you don't. Women are not to teach men in the church. In private is a different story, and women can and are called to share the gospel with everyone, as are men.

[@noemisierra8479]

Stephen S, When God created mankind, He gave him something very unique. Man received a free will, so that he could make his own choices according to his own free will. The Fall occurred because man used his free will to listen to Satan. Nevertheless, the way of salvation was made by Jesus Christ with that same free will. The death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ brought an end to all the bondage of the law. Now we are given the freedom to live by grace. Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace ( Ephesians 2:15 ). Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. ( Colossia ns 2;14 ). For there is verily a dis annulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof ( Hebrews 7:18 ). In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away ( Hebrews 8:13). Enough said !!! I am not going to continue to read your religious rhetoric as I don’t follow religion nor any man made doctrine, dogmas, rules, oppression. I am following The Father, The Son, and Holy Spirit. God Bless You 🙏🙏🙏

[@dimains6011]

@@noemisierra8479 You deny Paul and then use his letters to Ephesus and Colossae to make further points. You can't pick and choose; you either accept the Bible or you reject it. God is sovereign, he allows choices to be made by man within His holy will. He doesn't work around the choices that we make, but has foreknowledge of them and they are a part of His plan. Jesus was always going to be crucified by the Jews. Their hearts were hardened, as God willed. Since you deny Paul, listen to Peter: "... They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do." vs. 9 "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession..." 1 Peter 2:8-9

[@susiearviso3032]

Anyone can preach. Preaching isn't limited to a pulpit. God can use a child, a woman, as well as a man. Outside the Church anything goes to get the message across. When we're talking a bout souls, whoever is willing to step up and preach is a godsend. Leaders have used 1 Timothy 2:12 to ban women from teaching in the pulpit at church. Here is some insight from this challenging scripture. Do we believe 1 Timothy 2:12 to be an absolute prohibition on women teaching men? People sometimes go to ludicrous lengths to accommodate this verse. Consider the following: 1 Timothy 2:12 is the only verse in the Bible that apparently states that women cannot teach men. People sometimes go to ludicrous lengths to accommodate this verse ... but Paul and Timothy had traveled together for some time, and Timothy would have known if Paul forbade women to teach (1 Cor. 4:17). It would have therefore been surprising if Timothy and Paul hadn't made that clear - right from the start in Ephesus. Even more surprising that Timothy was allowing women to teach ... Paul acknowledged the role that women had in teaching Timothy (his mother and grandmother). Priscilla (named first) and her husband Aquila, taught Apollos a "more accurately" (Acts 18:26). 1 Corinthians 14:26 gives a list of things that everyone is expected to participate in. "When you come together, every one of you ..." The Greek word for "every one" in this passage: 'hekastos' ... is a word that encompasses both genders. This list includes teaching. Several times in chapter 14, the word "all" is used. Verses 24 and 31 both say that all may prophesy, and we know from Paul's teaching in chapter 11 that this includes women. If Paul really forbade women to teach, why didn't he mention it here? A number of gifts to the church, including teachers, are listed in 1 Corinthians 12 and Ephesians 4. For some of these gifts, there are female examples in the Scriptures (Junia was an apostle, Philip's daughters prophesied), but there's no supposition here that women aren't allowed to teach. Paul asks, "Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers?" While the obvious answer to this question is "no", there is no implication that some of these gifts are gender specific. Colossians 3:16 exhorts us to teach and admonish one another. In Revelation 2, the church in Thyatira is chastised for allowing "Jezebel" to lead people astray. It's what she teaches that is the problem, not the fact that she's a woman; teaching. 2 Timothy 2:2 is the classic passage on discipleship. It is often rendered "Share the things you have heard from me ... with faithful men who will be able to teach others also." The word "men" in the Greek in this passage is 'anthropos', a generic term for humans rather than gender specific. This verse, then, appears to contradict what Paul says in other places. So is there another explanation for what Paul says in this verse? - selah -

[@Don_Willy]

Well digested view

[@psandbergnz]

Susie Arviso, so do you think that women should lead churches? In context, a preacher is often the Chruch leader. Junia (the apostle) may actually be "Junias", a man. It is not clear. "Prophet" in the Church does not mean preacher and leader. Note also that 1 Tim.2:12 (" I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.") is put in a theological context in verses 13 and 14, which emphasises the issue of gender that the author is making.

[@hizikieraymond2773]

Thanks Suzie, for the clear explanation, Paul says: I do not permit vs God says I do not permit? Where is scripture support for this misquoted and misused verse in the Bible? 🙏.

[@jamesgonzalez3296]

Love how he doesn’t even consider the context of when and to whom this scripture was being written to. Who cares right? It’s not like we consider the context and meaning behind other scriptures right? Haha oh wait... Consider to where he was writing, why he’s was writing, and what time was he writing in. Also consider what he means by “teaching” because there is a difference.

[@Contrarian-v7p]

It doesnt make a difference. Men are the only sex created in the image of God and were given authority and domino over the earth and especially in the family and church. Women were created to help with reproduction. That's it. That's why we cannot preach.

[@louisleblanc129]

Jesus Christ himself commissioned the first gospel preacher to be a woman: he said to Mary Magdalene at the empty tomb: go tell the others that I am alive.

[@JPL1o618]

No

[@AT-xm3jc]

JPL1o618 Truth shall set you free

[@rlavender9684]

SO because there are men present a woman cannot teach Sunday school, cause she is teaching and having authority over men? I mean how far does this don't teach men thing go. Is she forbidden to teach her son's once they reach 18 in the home?

[@travisfoster8234]

rawson Lavender good question. Definitely she cannot have biblical authority to teach over the Bible study. As far as her sons, I never thought of that, but I would answer she Can teach them...just outside of the biblical context of the Church. The same way women are called to preach the gospel to males, but not have biblical authority over men in the church. Women should not be controlling the teaching

[@anneharrison1849]

I just listened to another Ask Pastor John video where the question was "As a man can I listen to Beth Moore?". His response was that it's ok to learn from women and he is fine with women sometimes teaching Sunday School, it's about where the authority lies, Beth Moore should not become your virtual pastor (though that would be true for a woman too). Is a women relating to her adult sons teaching, or is she advising? If they are seeking her wisdom, surely that is fine, but there may also be times when a mother is aware of a need for intervention/assistance in the life of a son that it would be better to refer to the father to respond to.

[@verpulanikhilpaul4979]

Why don't we explore and understand the "reason" why Paul forbid women to preach?! I think this could be one of the reasons. Women are beautifully made. God's strength and authority is reflected in a man, while God's beauty and tenderness is reflected in a woman. So women look beautiful, are good to look at, and to few eyes, are seductive. But a man isn't seductive in anyway, except in cases of purposefully portraying in such manner. No one would think of man and think about sexuality or any kind of fleshly thoughts. But when men see women anywhere, be it on the street, at the mall, or at the pulpit, there is a chance of invoking fleshly thoughts at the sight, movements, gestures and talk of a woman. And it is a sin to be distracted when we are hearing from God. Its a sin too, to be that source of distraction. This could be one of the prime reasons Paul forbid women to preach, to keep the thoughts of the hearers from going to her, instead of God. How many agree?!

[@asyouwish9567]

This is just one of those difficult verses that you can dance around all you want, and there was a lot of tap dancing, you are going to be uncomfortable. Its very strong here that women must be silent. Paul is on thin ice here. Paul was not in the garden of eden. Its a pretty damn tenuous assertion to say Adam was not deceived. Second this is saying to Timothy what he allows and doesnt. But it sounds mighty legalistic. What do I mean by that. Paul also has some intense teaching about women wearing head coverings which don't play in the US or other places in the world. Furthur Paul talks about in order to win souls he adapts his message to the audience so that more might be saved. Our audiences are a mixed crowd of men and women. Its hard not to notice that women tend to be more zealous and active in the church than the men on average.. How do we not in the name of saving souls keep women silent? That's not going to play in America and certainly turn people away from the message of Jesus Christ crucified and resurrected. I don't like to dis Paul but maybe that's just how Paul do.

[@YaHUaHNameAboveAllNames]

If... people who believe in His Word are so concerned about 1 verse, then why are these same people not keeping Shabbat as Abba Kadosh has said it since the beginning and YESHUA even kept Shabbat, & Lord of Shabbat. Sunday church is not Scripture. Shabbat is a Sign between Elohim & His People.... no man preacher can say do not keep Shabbat

[@michelleeriksen6816]

Despite the fact that I'm a woman, the Bible is clear that women should not preach over men. Logically, sure, it doesn't make sense to the world and even my mind that women cannot teach, but the Bible is the ultimate authority. Not mankind's own logic.

[@christianblessedstoriesros5333]

Follow Jesus words or the words of Paul the hypocrite

[@jaygonztx]

@@christianblessedstoriesros5333 If you think that, then you've got problems and holes in your Theology/Christology. Paul is an Apostle of Jesus Christ and charged by Him. Paul's Apostleship given by the Lord is nothing to be discarded. All Scripture is breathed out by God (2 Timothy 3:16).

[@marcaskew7125]

My People perish for lack of knowledge

[@HanukYahu]

@Michelle Eriksen I give you props for speaking truth. Amen! Not a lot women can do that nowadays. 👍🏼

[@ericaprice3987]

@@marcaskew7125 women should remain quiet in the church. Can they spread the gospel on the streets?

[@shebelieves9650]

I am saved. My husband, please pray 🙏 for his salvation, is not saved. It is my duty to preach to our children of the true God the Creator, and of Jesus Christ his Son our savior.. I try to hold Bible study nighty with the kids reading the Bible and saying prayers.

[@ellapresley8634]

"Teaching your children", and "preaching to a congregation" is two different things. Of course you should teach your children.

[@aleczamora6993]

Yes you can teach your children, there is nothing wrong with that. You are doing the right thing if you do.

[@victormarquaye6123]

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[@christinaleone7281]

Great job mama! This refers to preaching to both men and women in church. In your home, you are doing a great job! Praying for your husband's salvation.

[@devinkelley5189]

Why are you married to someone who’s not saved? God says not to marry people who are unequally yoked. So you’re already in rebellion of God’s Word. Of course you should teach your children since your husband is an unbeliever, but that doesn’t qualify you to be the pastor of a church or exercise authority over men in a church setting.

[@eddiesblacksmithingkjv9185]

Pastor John is so gracious. He took 10 minutes to say NO

[@stevenlee5562]

It's a cultural saying to the Jewish woman at that time " it's not a law that's binding to the whole world .. also remember the verse that says .. slaves be obedient to your masters Ephesians 6:5 .. ? So does that mean it's alright to have slaves like in the 1800s .. no of course not .. he's speaking to the people at that time .. we try to understand some scriptures with a western world thinking of today's standards of man .. when you don't understand cultural of the Jews .. you can go into misunderstandings of scripture .. the only way that a western world thinking person who can have insite to the scriptures is by the spirit of God .. woman can have the same anointing as a man to preach to teach .. 😲 or is it a SIN .. for a woman to preach or to teach or to be a pastor ..? There were some things that were happening in the early churches now that the Jews had this freedom in Christ .. so Paul had to address the issues the problem .. 👍

[@vmag1552]

Yeah I understood that now

[@loitam7]

@@stevenlee5562 so do you mean “ Adam was created first and not eve” applies at that time only and not now. “Adam was created first and not eve” applies universally, at all times , everywhere

[@fransikajohn9005]

'Pastor' John and the Bible are 2 different entities. This titled pastor does not know the scriptures. Please find the word 'pastor' in the new testament covenant and say where reference is made to male or female, nowhere is such written. Also where was anyone addressed by the title of Pastor, churches were households. The unbelieving male or husband cannot head the household of God, though he is head of his own natural household. Not every believer, male or female, gets married, they may also get widow or widower. There were both elder women and elder men in the church. There is Lydia with a believing household in the book of Acts 16:14-40; There is also 'the elect lady and her children' etc SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES says Jesus, Where has he said, "listen to men to understand?

[@Lookwater]

Yes, but there are people who don't understand the verse very well, and that's why he have to explain it in detail.

[@claytonhall1807]

The woman can’t preach,but she can teach.Who can she teach?She can teach the young girls how to become women and carry themselves according to the word of God.

[@Contrarian-v7p]

False.

[@AGODLYMINDSET]

@@Contrarian-v7p TRUE! Read Titus 2:3-5

[@GregRickard]

No. Men don't have authority to override the bible.

[@defendingthefaith.7889]

Then more should understand it.

[@defendingthefaith.7889]

Dan Sutton and many think all scripture is about salvation. The epistles were written to some certain churches. We learn from them as we did the law.

[@defendingthefaith.7889]

Dan Sutton if you think me believing in woman being pastors is a sin. You are not getting full understanding of God’s Grace. This is not a salvation issue. This was a cultural issue. Period. Are you bided by the law with your thinking?

[@defendingthefaith.7889]

Dan Sutton go ahead and live by the law. And be judged on it. I choose Jesus and the gift of grace. Me watching a woman preach is a sin in your mind. And you condemn me for it. Using the Lords name in vain by doing so.

[@defendingthefaith.7889]

Dan Sutton wow. You do not know me. I ask you a question you refuse to answer. And judge another brother by trying to condemn me. Really? Do you really have the right to condemn me. Using the Lords name in vain by doing so. I know scripture very well. I do not need this legalistic Westbrook Baptist Church stuff.

[@steelmilkjug]

"The Devil deceived Adam and Eve to switch places"... The Spirit in my belly yelled "AMEN!!" When I heard that part :)

[@misspriss2482]

Yes, and society has played the price ever since. That is where the attack on masculinity has come from - Satan because he knows that a society of "feminine" men cannot lead their households or future generations as God has commanded.

[@jefferybogue6138]

The bible says the woman was deceived Adam wasn't he knew better and should have told eve no were not eating that fruit

[@douglaidlaw740]

Another chauvinistic quotation! Men and women are different. In the first English case about sex change, the Judge decided that people can change their sex, but not their gender. The woman in that case has since been awarded an MBE. I believe that gender exists only in our Universe, not in Heaven. God has no gender, but we have no pronoun for that, so we use "He." About a Jew who claimed to have no gender, Wikipedia used "They."

[@linkskywalker5417]

​​@@misspriss2482 Masculine men have taken over, but they're the ungodly sort, yet so many women lust after them. Satan doesn't necessarily want to take masculinity away. He wants to take away godly masculinity away. Andrew Tate, for instance, is a man women lust after, despite him being an unrepentant fornicator. He's basically the embodiment of the very things that caused feminism to rise and weaken families even futher.

[@Heart4Christ]

Scripture is the Authority, not the elders or any man in a position in the church.

[@user-fo3vt1mu9n]

Paul said "Woman have to cover their hair with veile", "If Woman shave her hair, Its her sahmeness. Long hair is honor of woman." Then, what? Am I have to wear a hijab? LoL. Does every woman who has short hair or shaved hair is wrong? It makes no sense. What the words.

[@user-fo3vt1mu9n]

Paul said "Woman doesn't allow to asking at church. If she want, she have to ask her hudsband at home.". Well, Let's do what paul said. Women wearing hijab and being quiet, Only Men talking at the church. Sounds cool, right? Little confused that It's justice from Paul not from God. LoL.

[@paulniewulis9189]

Exactly!

[@mahoneychris17]

@Drinker_Of_ Milk because the apostles were still alive, preaching and teaching them in person. And when they were not around or elsewhere the apostles wrote letters to those churches to teach them which is what these letters are unless you are saying what they taught and what they wrote were different in which case they were teaching the churches different things which means the apostles were not in agreement on what jesus wanted to be taught and revealed to the church. Paul was accepted by the other apostles as an apostle so they must have agreed on his teachings which means they would not have an issue with his teachings on what qualifies an elder as they would have taught the same.

[@r.crompton2286]

The question should read, " Will God also approve of women preachers, when the congregationalelders approve them?" The simple, biblical answer, is NO! Elders who approve of such a policy aren't sufficiently well-grounded in Scripture to qualify as elders.

[@ms.playboyinternational393]

Are female preachers an abomination to God?

[@r.crompton2286]

@@ms.playboyinternational393 The word " abomination" may be too strong a descriptive, " For who hath known the mind of God?" (Rom. 11:34a). The clear teaching of the Apostle Paul who received revelational instructions from The Almighty is that women are to learn in silence (1 Tim. 2:11,12) and that "...if a man desire the office of a bishop (elder/presbyter/pastor), HE (emphasis mine) desireth a good work." Nowhere in Scripture is a woman given God's approval to preach/teach within the ordained office of a pastor or evangelist. However, mature women may teach younger women as per Titus 2:3. If a woman assumes the role of preaching that is clearly restricted to men, she does so in contravention of the Lord's unequivocal instructions.

[@ms.playboyinternational393]

@@r.crompton2286 fair enough. Have a nice day!

[@troywright359]

@@r.crompton2286 why would you not call it sin, open rebellion and thus an abomination, for a man to receieve teaching from a woman in matters of scripture?

[@r.crompton2286]

@@troywright359 There have been many circumstances on the mission field where willing, qualified men were unavailable to teach the heathen tribes and so available women with Bible knowledge and language skills were asked to stand in their place -- to teach any and all who have "ears to hear." In these less than ideal situations I am sure that God would not have deemed their service to be a sin or abomination. Any such abomination would certainly apply to gifted men who have failed to heed the call of God and engage in teaching God's Word as He has ordained. In North America where there are plenty of available men to teach other men God's Word, we can assume that any woman who takes the role of a pastor/presbyter/bishop is clearly not "sent" by God but "went" instead. That's an abomination. But on the mission field it's not always so clearly black and white.

[@Lauren-vd4qe]

Im a strong minded choleric female but I never had a problem with the men doing the preaching! women can teach women but women cannot teach men in a congregational or any other formal teaching scenario; its not Gods order no matter how talented the woman is. its against the Bibles word.

[@frankalfredowen5465]

💞👏

[@JoshuaPatrickGarrett]

The preaching issue is low-hanging fruit in some ways, as the issue branches out to all the various meetings of God's people. Elders and godly men need to lead in all gatherings, like the prayer meetings and even times of fellowship. I went to a prayer meeting for the second time last night, and after bringing up the need for an elder or godly man to lead she gave her "defense" that she has a gift of prayer, and that she puts herself under the authority of the senior pastor. Somehow her "gift" and lip service to a compromising pastor is sufficient. Long story short, I didn't know until I said bye that the silent man nearby her was her husband. Where are the men? We are being judged in many ways because of the weak men in God's house.

[@fightthegoodfight316]

I agree, everyone should know their role and play their part. we think we have the bible more figured out now then the early Christians did. We need to go back to the writings of the early Christians and their beliefs so we can learn with accuracy how we should conduct ourselves in the way they did.

[@calluspeculiar8579]

Amen!

[@pltatman1]

It's easy. You should keep your women silent in places of worship and make sure that slaves obey their masters. Unless you think that you're smarter than the early Christians?

[@ronaldlewis9625]

Welcome a woman be a bishop

[@Ike-un6mc]

​@@pltatman1do you have slaves?

[@pltatman1]

@@Ike-un6mc Lol that comment was from four years ago. Regardless, early Christians had some ridiculous ideas that have no place in the modern world. I would broaden that to include many of the ideas presented in the Bible.

[@FaithFIX]

Although WOMEN must have an affirmation to preach in many churches and be approved by elders created systems - it's a perverse interpretation of God's ordinances. And the reason is simple: in Gen 3:15, women have been put on the line to carry The Seed by God. That's why so many women aren't allowed to be ministers, leaders, or even speak from the stages in so many churches... she may deliver what God put in her and that is DANGEROUS to the so-called "biblical authority" created by rulers of this world. "And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head,..."

[@dogpreacherhall8208]

This is an excellent & thorough (NOT exhaustive, but...thorough) answer to this issue. The problem with people deciding opposite of this is their approach to the issue & texts involved (include 1Cor. 14:34-40, & Titus 2:3-5) is to not handle these scriptures exegetically....but, eisegetically! The way that Pastor John went backwards to explain the situation works in these other passages as well. In the 1st Corinthians passage...Paul indicates in v.38 that if a man is determined to be ignorant...let him be so. WHY? In v.37, Paul had just said that if any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual...let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD ! NOW....verse 38 makes sense, because if they will still have contention concerning this matter...let them be ignorant...you can't reason with them on it, because they see themselves as more authoritative than the LORD. Likewise....in Titus...what/who/where & why.... were the AGED women encouraged to teach? V.3 "...teachers of good things; teaching YOUNG women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, keepers of the home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the Word of God be not blasphemed." Now, go back through that passage and see if you can answer the questions of WHAT was to be taught...to WHO...WHERE was it to be taught...and WHY were these things to be taught? These were teachings that were so that God's word would not be blasphemed.

[@josephkirimi5453]

The older women to teach the the young women doesn't mean in the church but at their homes or they can do seminars.

[@alexycurtis6323]

I am a woman who at the beginning hated and appalled this teaching and found it demeaning and honestly speaking i hated Paul the servant of God because i thought he was sexist. But over time i got this understanding that this is the order that pleases God just like having a man as head of the family, Christ as head of the church or very simply like we have a President as the Head of a State, then the Cabinet and other branches of the government system: the President knows that his government can run best under certain designation of duties, rule and regulations : all have different roles to play and cannot be intermixed for smooth operation. But above all these, as a woman know that God has favored you and wants you to serve Him through this(OBEDIENCE), In submitting to this you are actually serving God , what is more beautiful than that. It is more of a power struggle for us women to want and actually fight for what is not supposed to be ours that was the first mistake we made in the garden of Eden lets break the curse and not listen to the devil and be beguiled again. I love serving God and its beautiful to do so and i find fulfillment in doing so. Lets listen to our Love (Yahushua ) who truly loves us and wants to lead us to eternal liberty. Love you my Beloved Sisters in Christ May His Peace richly be with you

[@PastorJacobFrett]

Who is Yahushua??? I don't serve him. I serve Yeshua - Jesus

[@truthkeeper7816]

The problem is, you think Christ's church is in a building. Tell me something, if a woman reads the Bible, is it only true if your husband says it is? Anyone who has the Holy Spirit is ordered to teach. People misinterpret scriptures. You need the Holy Spirit and it's not given to us by a man. It's given to us through Jesus. 99.9% of men preaching at churches now days are deceived. Read your bible and don't listen to anyone but God. Jesus talked to woman. When a woman asked Jesus for something He gave it to her. Jesus answered her. Are you telling me that men are better than Jesus and a woman can't speak in church. This guy is full of it. God gave us all souls. The maturity level of the spirit, you don't see male or female. You see a soul. Don't let anyone tell you what the bible says. You read and ask God. Jesus says let he who wants to be chief among you be the servant. A servant is not male or female. Do you see preachers now days serve at potlucks. Do you see them cleaning toilettes. The one cleaning the toilets is the chief among them. He who humbles himself will be exalted. Sweet heart God gave you a soul. They have a soul. Christ rent the veil. There are no more buildings/churches. The human body is the church. These false teachers emphasize their own books not God's. When you know who you are in the Lord, you will not tolerate doctrines like this. Bless you sister.

[@adamgoodword7888]

The bible says nothing about women not being allowed to preach!!!! Alexy your comments are so unbiblical and sound so ignorant and religious. You sound like a self righteous, high minded pharisee!! The book of Luke speaks of Anna, a WOMAN, who preached at the temple and who served God night and day. And she was certainly not condemned for it: *Luke 2 (KJV)* _36 And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;_ _37 And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day._ _38 And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem._ And you think simply being obedient and doing nothing is serving God? Why don't you start telling everyone about Jesus? Why don't you start witnessing for Jesus? A lazy Christian is a dead Christian. If you don't bear good fruit then you will be cut down. Just think of all the lives that you could have lead to the Lord if you had only spoken of Him!!!

[@ALL4SCUBA05]

Val O'Brien That’s like saying that even though Christ is the head of the church, the church is equal to Christ (50/50 marriage:wrong) God chose the hierarchy. Don’t fight it. God doesn’t copy the way the governments of this world run.

[@dennishagans6339]

@@truthkeeper7816 before I get into the scriptures I will say this. I just turned 60 on this 5th of Jan 2019 I know that there are multiple millions of women who are not only smarter but some are way smarter than I am, in 7th grade, I got my first taste of Algebra and I failed it badly. the higher math was very hard for me, even converting fractions to decimals and vice versa. there are women who are physicists, chemists, Doctors, lawyers, electrical engineers, mechanical engineers, name the profession and women are just as smart and capable as men, women who hold the same credentials as men should be paid the same as men. there are women who are physically stronger than me, I have RA really bad so my strength is nowhere near what it used to be. God is the one who set the bounds in the Church. Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. 1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 1Co 14:36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 1Co 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 1Ti 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 1Ti 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. 1Ti 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. 1Ti 3:8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; 1Ti 3:9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. 1Ti 3:10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. 1Ti 3:11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. 1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 1Ti 3:13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus. Tit 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; Tit 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; Tit 1:3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour; Tit 1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. Tit 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: Tit 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. Tit 1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; Tit 1:8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate; Tit 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. the qualification of the Bishop (pastor/preacher) and the Deacon are to be the Husband of one wife. there is no way that a woman can be the husband of one wife. not to mention the fact that the Commandments of the Lord specify that women are to be in SILENCE in the Church. go back and read 1 Sam 15:1-26 Saul the King of Israel is rejected from being King because he rejected the Word of the Lord 1Sa 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king. 1Sa 15:26 And Samuel said unto Saul, I will not return with thee: for thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, and the LORD hath rejected thee from being king over Israel. this is a lesson for us even today, that if we reject the Word of God we too will be rejected. those women who are preaching, teaching and pastoring churches with men in them are rejecting the Word of God to do their will in His Name. How serious is God concerning His Word? Psa 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. Deu 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish aught from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. Deu 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it. Deu 17:11 According to the sentence of the law which they shall teach thee, and according to the judgment which they shall tell thee, thou shalt do: thou shalt not decline from the sentence which they shall shew thee, to the right hand, nor to the left. Ezr 6:11 Also I have made a decree, that whosoever shall alter this word, let timber be pulled down from his house, and being set up, let him be hanged thereon; and let his house be made a dunghill for this. Pro 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Jer 23:36 And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man's word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God. Jer 26:2 Thus saith the LORD; Stand in the court of the LORD'S house, and speak unto all the cities of Judah, which come to worship in the LORD'S house, all the words that I command thee to speak unto them; diminish not a word: Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 2Co 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ. 2Co 4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. 2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction. Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. God does not like it when His Word is added too, Diminished aught from or changed in any way. if you reject the Word of God then you too will be rejected.

[@Truthseeker424]

1 Corinthians 14:33-38 KJV [33] For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. [34] Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. [35] And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. [36] What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? [37] If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. [38] But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

[@femmcclure2213]

As a woman with a strong desire to spread the word when and where God leads me, this is a gorgeous explanation! I would also add that the culture of this time would find a woman in a church leadership role stepping not only into leadership but into a position of authority to which she was generally unaccustomed in that culture. Imagining the level of ego that could befall a person who had always held something more akin to a servant's role once thrust into authority, I can see how especially at that time such a thing would be dangerous not only to her own spirituality but to others'. Furthermore, how would others perceive anything she had to say, as she was acting in a manner so foreign to a women's situation in society? Fast forward to a modern, feminist age, women have all sorts of powers and authorities and so would be less likely than their biblical-era counterparts to become overwhelmed by their new position...HOWEVER, that does not excuse what Paul says nor what the Old Testament says about the roles of men and women, nor do those references completely deny our participation in spreading the word in our communities. What the pastor says in this video is 110% applicable and elegant and I am glad to have heard it.

[@allanmiddleton678]

You cannot change the fact that ‘ woman ‘ was made from ‘ Man ‘ whom was made by GOD “ in His own Image “ ! Fast Forward. ......... one now lives in the United Kingdom where the most senior police person is a Woman married to a Woman ! One wonders what the Saint Paul might be saying about that now ! ! It has to be a catastrophic decision from any Christian standpoint. We are , however , no longer a Christian Country and are defined by our Royals as , “ All Faiths “. What ‘ Faith ‘ , I wonder , in the World would tolerate such a shocking (from the Christian Bible standpoint) Relationship ? !

[@altheamorgan5199]

I find myself just like you and totally agree with you

[@forhisglory8471]

@@allanmiddleton678 When God made the first Adam, Eve was within him, the original oneness. That is what marriage should look like. Oneness. The husband when he looks at his wife he is looking at himself. Then he must ask, how should I treat me?

[@lizh1988]

@@allanmiddleton678 He would say nothing about a woman married to a woman, unless either of them were professing christians. We do not judge the unbeliever, that is for God.

[@debbiekling6065]

We are in for a surprise when we get to Heaven, that’s all I can say , I don’t believe in a woman usurping authority over a man but , going out and preaching or proclaiming the gospel isn’t forbidden , the woman at the well went straight to the men and some believed

[@johnbeasley7654]

If women would consider the weight of eternity that is on the shoulders of a qualified pastor. A MAN that meets all the qualifications is held to such a high standard with such a high level of accountability that it's actually terrifying if not divinely called and equipped.

[@michaelbrickley2443]

John Beasley, and you think women aren’t qualified? Who taught Apollos about the Holy Spirit? Both Priscilla & Aquila

[@johnbeasley7654]

@@michaelbrickley2443 no they are not qualified to hold pastoral office. There is no debate on the issue, scripture is crystal clear.

[@Contrarian-v7p]

I don't think that women (or at least for me) want to be allowed to preach because they want the glory of it. I thjnknits because the entire bible reinforces the idea that God loves men and created men for himself. . . Women were just created for the sake of men. It just feels like God doesnt really love women and it's an exceptionally painful realization.

[@MonkeyDLuffy-py9un]

Jade Lee lol he does love you but you guys have different roles to play in and outside the church

[@s.m.3423]

@@johnbeasley7654 I have heard that there is a chamber in hell specifically for women pastors who had authority over men so yes, the eternal consequences are not worth it! After one minute of burning, no woman will think it is worth it.

[@juliemayes2027]

One word according to Scripture NO !

[@troywright359]

I dunno, I really don't understand why a women should not ever teach a man in most subjects or areas. Is it wrong to have women in leadership positions over men in general? Only in the church? If it's not an issue of competency, is it open rebellion and therefore sin to let a women preach to a man or become an elder?

[@williamfigueroa9852]

The Man is the head

[@GospelBearer]

William Figueroa what body part is the woman?

[@williamfigueroa9852]

Gospel Bearer she's his partner and he leads but he needs to love her as Christ loved the church

[@jak3math3w]

@@GospelBearer the neck. She turns the head in any direction she wants to 😂.

[@jeanpaulgartier3404]

@@jak3math3w good one

[@terryvest640]

We aren't... we are just his slave to serve and serve and serve his ever whim with no honor, or reward.

[@WisdomFindsKnowledge]

A woman should not preach... period... kids maybe but not men ...

[@tatriceshipp9139]

Once again someone preaching opinion.. 1st Timothy is referring to women being leaders in the church and violently dominating the males. Gotta study with the Holy Spirit. I see a lot of y'all don't do that. But women can surely preach/prophecy=speak for Jesus to both males and females in ASSEMBLY, CHURCH, CONGREGATION. See he just gave his feelings on it. JESUS TRUTH OVER TRUMPS FEELINGS SMH. I don't see how so many claim to be pastors etc. But don't rightly divide the truth. Paul made it clear in 1st Corithians for both men and women to be eager to prophecy= SPEAK FOR JESUS IN ASSEMBLY TO BOTH MALES AND FEMALES.

[@pearlivory3483]

I think it's more about how it affects the role of the man than it is about what's 'forbidden for a woman'. There's something about a woman being the spiritual leader of men that just simply isn't biblical and goes against the order God created... periodt.

[@zahiral9829]

i understand what pastor john is saying...but how is it that Deborah in the bible was judge over all israel? was that wrong for her to be a judge? if she was a judge that put her in a place of authority.

[@anneharrison1849]

By my understanding there is an awful lot in the old testament that doesn't fit with God's model for how we should live, but for reasons I don't fully understand there is no comment on it being wrong, examples are things like Jacob having 2 wives and then also having children with their servants, or Solomon having many wives and concubines. Sorry this isn't a great answer, but it's a step to open our eyes to the wider narrative of the bible. As knowledge increases it seems at first you find inconsistencies, then you resolve them, and then the same thing happens all over again.

[@fromfierytrialstofreedom1992]

Hi Zahira, being a judge in Israel was akin to being a judge in a court of law today. Deborah functioned as one who resided over disputes in a court of law. That isn't the same as having oversight in a church fellowship and responsibility before God for teaching doctrine. Deborah in the OT was not a Levite priest and therefore would never have taught doctrine over Israel (i.e. the Mosaic law at that time). :-)

[@ramsaval]

@@fromfierytrialstofreedom1992 where does it say that Levites are prophets? They are supposed to be priests, not prophets. And Deborah was a prophet of God! She was inquired of the rulers of God, just like Samuel.

[@ramsaval]

@@anneharrison1849 Deborah doesn't fall into those categories. She spoke directly from God's revelations to her. And whatever she spoke was followed to fulfil God's will.

[@marisademore5590]

@@ramsaval Hello N Sd. I'm a bit tired tonight so I might be missing something here ... but the Bible doesn't say that Levites were prophets and neither did I. Not sure what you're saying ... perhaps you misread my comment above?

[@dougdozier8782]

It took us 8 minutes to get to the answer...the answer is No Thank you John you made me nervous😂

[@Ashley-ro4xz]

I don’t get it. My grandmother is a reverend and has all the gifts of the Holy Spirit. God continuously uses her to talk to His people. Of course my grandfather (the main preacher) is the one who mainly preaches, but my grandmother also teaches Gods word to the church. There’s also another lady that preaches in church.

[@dougdozier8782]

@@Ashley-ro4xz respectfully Paul is really clear on Elder Qualifications

[@pilgrim5355]

@@Ashley-ro4xz God's word is the authority of His church not your grandmother or anyone else. Has all the gifts of the Holy Spirit?? Watch yourselves, blasphemy of the Spirit is an unforgivable sin

[@s.m.3423]

@@Ashley-ro4xz You seem to hold your grandma up as an adored idol. Let the word of God be the principal source of your convictions and practices.

[@jenniferthom4066]

In Ephesians Chapter5 v.21-24...the husband is the head of his wife as Christ is the head of his body which is the church...Christ ultimately is the head of all men and women. This does not mean men are head of all women. Women do not go through men to get to God...Also look at Ephesians Chapter 4 starting at verse 4..we are all one body , we have the same spirit,and we have all been called to the same glorious future...then in verse 7..He has given each of us a special gift according to the generosity of Christ..What Paul was addressing in his letters to the church in Corinth concerned orderly and peaceful living and ridding themselves of pride and false teachings... they were in turmoil on every aspect of life-and needed to learn how to be orderly and peaceful. People were talking all at once..women were arguing with their husbands in public and many claimed false truths... the reference to be silent applied to talking out of turn or over the top of others which was disruptive and arrogant

[@deborahjackson542]

Jennifer Thom, yes you are correct, men seem to evade that issue and most of them know this. I don't understand why the books in the Bible of the women that showed demonstrated much faith, love, courage in the Bible are not preached about. And they definitely hate to even mention Prophetess Deborah. I thought the whole bible is supposed to be preached and teached, how are they still keeping God commandments?.

[@mcsmartass8306]

I disagree with this one, because of the following verse: *"So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."* Galatians 3:26-28 If a woman is given a message from God himself, who are we to stop her from sharing it? There are female pastors at my church and they have done a great deal of good for the Lord. I think it's important to remember that Paul was a human too, and everything he says should not be taken as the direct word of God but as something given to the leader of the Church. I feel that many times in the bible, God's message is obscured by our human imperfections, either through mistranslation or through our own sinful opinions, and Paul is no exception to this chinese whispers effect.

[@LivingBoldlyWithUyi]

Man thank you for clarifying this!!! I love this truth!!!!!

[@nobuhlenkosi1518]

But are we reading this verse/chapter in context?

[@litatjie]

I think in this case we are, or they are.

[@nobuhlenkosi1518]

@@litatjie why do you think so?

[@litatjie]

@@nobuhlenkosi1518 because I read it.

[@nobuhlenkosi1518]

@@litatjie I am not talking about just reading, did you research on when this was written, what were those times like etc. ?

[@litatjie]

@@nobuhlenkosi1518 did you?

[@spanishfly7709]

One thing that should be noted here that John Piper didn't touch on like he should have was that the eve was deceived and Adam was NOT. If you read Genesis 3 you will see the devil ask eve a logical question and eve gave a logical answer that fruit will cause them to DIE which is catastrophically bad and she understood that. Now the devil set her up with logic then turned and enticed Eve through emotions and the bible said that Eve saw the fruit as GOOD! It uses words that derive from emotions pleasant to the eye...tree to be desired.

[@louismasis]

No, bible is very clear about women preaching in the church, it is not allowed !

[@jefftube58]

Consider the question ! If elders would affirm a woman to preach, they need to immediately resign their position. They're not biblical elders.

[@joeiiiful]

Agreed. They are pathetic elders if they would go against the God of the Bible.

[@amaledward2147]

@Drinker_Of_ Milk who do you think told Paul that? Take a guess

[@brunoc1198]

The devilish feminism wants to change God's divine order.

[@environmentallanguages554]

God will unleash the hounds, the dogs of hell, and will eat up the feminist... they will receive the same judgement that Jezebel received...

[@creativefantasybox2462]

That's why pagan gods use have female image as gods. Satan wants to completely reverse gods order.

[@user-wn8mc1yc1g]

Paul didn't write 1 Timothy - and Gods divine order was men and women in equality - otherwise the curse in Genesis 3:16 wouldn't have been a curse. Search your heart and really see if you think that in heaven that in any way men will have more authority than women, and the amount of chances that you take to break them down - how many will God bring to mind as sins against the church on Judgement Day? More women than before want to be house wives and people prefer the traditional lifestyle of a dad working and a mother raising their kids - these are gen Y and Z people! So you are full of it! Being used by the enemy to put forth distracting messaging and clouding what the gospel stands for. Anyone who thinks they wouldn't have been a Pharisee and they would have stood with Christ - thinks FAAAARRRRR too much of themselves. Because ALL the sheep scattered - out of the thousands - no one. It was the religious elite of the day clinging to the juvenile nature of their milk faith, while swallowing camels whole. You must search for the truth - lest you try and stop a miracle as to not offend someone.

[@JorgeGonzalez-us3su]

Ding Dong your religion is wrong

[@creativefantasybox2462]

@@JorgeGonzalez-us3su which religion

[@HHHHHH-cg4sg]

No women don't preach they prophesize.

[@rodneyreed133]

No no no no no

[@grimmettcleaningservices7003]

Good video. I know of a situation where there's a woman that is the pastor of her church, and her husband stays at home and takes care of the kids. She justifies it by the fact that he's still the head of the household, but according to this video, that doesn't take away from what God's where it has to say on this issue. Not to be mean, but just because her husband is okay with it doesn't mean that God is. She seems like a nice person though ,🤷🏿‍♂️

[@doctrinalwatchdog6268]

Can she? Yes. "Can" is a question regarding ability. What matters is permission. May she according to God / The Bible? No.

[@j-mshistorycorner6932]

Incorrect. jmshistorycorner.wordpress.com/2020/04/24/bring-on-women-pastors/

[@doctrinalwatchdog6268]

@@j-mshistorycorner6932 i'm not reading this crap, speak for yourself or don't waste my time.

[@j-mshistorycorner6932]

@@doctrinalwatchdog6268 That link was written by me. It IS me speaking for myself. Read it. It's what Scripture ACTUALLY says.

[@doctrinalwatchdog6268]

@@j-mshistorycorner6932 you totally miss the point, it's not about silencing women, it is about God ordained roles and clearly Deborah was not a pastor and teacher in the church, no female was because God forbids it in the Bible. Unless you have chapter and verse I don't care about your convoluted arguments.

[@j-mshistorycorner6932]

@@doctrinalwatchdog6268 You seem to have forgotten Huldah, Priscilla, a female deaconess mentioned at one point, and the woman Junia described as being an apostle. AND there is no prohibition on women being a pastor or teacher in the church. 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 can not mean what it's traditionally understood to mean because Paul elsewhere talks favourably about women praying & prophesying in the church. 1 Timothy 2:12 is grammatically (in the Greek) addressed at a single domineering woman (the word "authority" here means to domineer or bully or force someone to do something against their will - kinda like my father, who used these verses as justification), and the word "teach" is grammatically unconnected to the word "men" - she is being forbidden to teach period, and gender has nothing to do with it.

[@yvonnecrozier4536]

So true, we have such a high calling of ministry in our own roles. "Male and female He created them" it is like fine clockwork, perfectly orchestrated by our creator from the beginning.

[@forhisglory8471]

men and women need to learn to dance together not just remain in their own lanes.

[@nramorrisg8415]

(Genesis 2:23 KJV) And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

[@nramorrisg8415]

​@@forhisglory8471(Genesis 2:24 KJV) Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one >> flesh.

[@jamesduck926]

Actually it also says women are to remain silent in the assembly.

[@DruPetty42]

So, what about Acts 18:24-26? Priscilla and Aquila both taught Apollos explained to him the way of God more accurately. If a woman isn't permitted to teach, then why is it that all Christians are commanded to "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." (Matthew 28:19-20)? Why would God give gifts to all believers? Wouldn't that mean that even on the streets that women couldn't spread the gospel?

[@theshiningbarrier]

The difference is teaching... Priscilla wasn't teaching in a church service. That is what is off limits.

[@ladyesther]

I still struggle with this interpretation. And not because I want to be a pastor or leader. I would not do that for a million dollars! Churches I have gone to have allowed women to preach / teach. My husband seems to think it is ok. It does disturb me because it makes me feel as if women as not as important as men. But for those of you who really believe this is the order remember God will judge leaders more harshly and that is part of why I would never want to be a leader. However, I believe God can do what He wants. He chose Deborah and Esther. I say this not to argue, but to express my studying on this topic. I must wrestle with what the Bible says for myself.

[@Contrarian-v7p]

I'm 22 years old . . . And I want to denounce my faith altogether because these passages along with some of the ugliest words against women I've ever witnessed coming from the mouths of Christian men have driven me to want to kill myself just for being born a woman. My parents are the only thing keeping me from following through. But I cannot imagine spending an eternity with a being that creates an entire gender for the submission of the other. I'm struggling so badly with this. And it is not that I desire power . . . It makes me feel unloved and less valued by God. Like he'd rather work with and through men and not women. I didn't ask to be here and I didnt ask to be a woman.

[@darkwolffrostknight8103]

@@Contrarian-v7p reading your comment a year later, but I hope that you are doing all right

[@deesott5123]

Girl i wish i knew you so bad youre the most relatable person ever. Can i have your email please. 😊

[@abigailgalvez2113]

@@Contrarian-v7p THE MILLION-DOLLAR QUESTION: Will you go to Heaven when you die? Have you lied, stolen, used God’s name in vain, or lusted (which Jesus said was adultery, Mt. 5:28)? If so, God sees you as a liar, thief, blasphemer, and adulterer at heart; and we’ve only looked at four of the Ten Commandments. If you die in your sins, you will end up in a terrible place called Hell. But there's good news. Though we broke God's Law, Jesus paid the fine by dying on the cross: "God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life" (Jn. 3:16). Then Jesus rose from the dead and was seen by hundreds of eyewitnesses. He fulfilled all the prophecies of the promised Savior. Please, today, repent and trust Jesus, and God will forgive you and grant you the gift of eternal life (Eph. 2:8,9). Then, to show your gratitude, read the Bible daily and obey it, join a Christian church, and be baptized.

[@jackjones3657]

God's word is clear regarding this issue. Women who seek to be church elders or preachers to have authority over men in the church, or in the home, defy God's law and it represents a rebellion against the design for His creation. So it is equally destructive for men not to fulfill their responsibility as Christ like leaders by abrogating their duties. Both have serious consequences for all involved.

[@veovis523]

Paul's word, not God's word.

[@jaredmcintosh4178]

Then how do you justify letting Beth Moore go all over the world "preaching" to millions, but can't preach in her own home church?

[@rickstark85]

Jared, I think he just showed you how he justified it. It's called scripture. Wake up.

[@terri4340]

from my understanding, many women HAVE a problem with ms. moore...one asks if God called OR did moore call herself? i don't personally care for her, just because i don't care for her teaching style.. but i think there are so many variables that in the end, who knows?i respect several pastors and many disagree on whether a woman can teach or not or pastor.. i personally believe women shouldn't..

[@thomasclark5413]

Big difference between preaching the gospel to the lost, and teaching Christ's Church!

[@Ellomarshall50]

Beth Moore's conferences are for women

[@eyesintheroad]

This might be helpful. Here Pastor John talks precisely about Moore kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJ7Eo5Krd7p3Z7c

[@shauniejames5763]

Amen 🙏🙏🙏Thank you God for revealing all truth to me.. this was something that was on my mind.. God said no it’s No 😇

[@teresawicks-kq3bq]

AND NO MEANS NO!😂

[@gabriellekelly3462]

No. Women cannot teach men in a weekly assembly of men or with men in it. Yes, they may teach other women and/or children. But in no circumstances men.

[@zerosparky9510]

Read 1st Corinthians . it is to brothers and sisters. Chapter 14. .is when the church is together. Read verse 26.do u see about all ? And teach? Now who do u think Paul is saying this to.

[@get-the-lead-out.4593]

Gabrielle Kelly Roger Olsen goes around to so many of these Christian videos with the titles of 'woman are not to preach in the church' and numerous people have politely went into so much detail with him to show where he is manipulating his scriptures to fit his modern-day main-stream religious narratives He even relies on the notorious NIV Bible versions which has actually been proven to be one of the worst accurate Bibles, and the ESV to have some big problems as well, and therefore neither of those can be trusted nearly as often as we can trust the KJV and the NLT

[@get-the-lead-out.4593]

@Drinker_Of_ Milk Nothing ridiculous about the point I made for the NIV and ESV not being nearly as reliable as the KJV and NLT Concerning the NLT, I never said or implied it is a literal translation. Its been well-known for decades the NLT is a very nice side addition to accompany the KJV whereby making things easier to read until being able to just mostly use the KJV ...and you can go translation and scholar mining for whatever you want to fit your narratives, but we've already been here dozens upon dozen of times, easily, where people claim the this's and thats' about their NIV and ESV being more accurate, when we can provide just as many scholars who are providing a much stronger case against the new modern-day scholars who have become partial in their translations due to the rise in what God said would certainly happen in these end times which is the falling away from His true Word and trying to promote the modern-day main-stream-religion's false doctrines, but the back n forth stuff of that never leads to anything other than us spending a week's worth of it that gets nowhere and then merely having to agree to disagree and walk away

[@get-the-lead-out.4593]

@Drinker_Of_ Milk Well hey God bless you and hope you have a great day :)

[@Journey4SureKnowledge-N-Wisdom]

@@get-the-lead-out.4593 you hit the nail dead square on the head

[@amandalinas4494]

I don't understand why there is so much energy and time spent on this question. Of course a woman can speak! Not overstepping a man of course. But God can and does speak through women in a church setting. The woman is not the pastor...but she can be a guest speaker. I didn't realize this was deemed a "controversial" issue. When I saw someone start writing about a controversial issue on fb and then posted this video I was expecting something quite different. Women are to submit to men and remain quiet when they are teaching and learn. However, as a guest a woman can speak. Something to think about though on my part.

[@frankalfredowen5465]

💞👏

[@1776_Garage]

Absolutely not!

[@Riakonmgs]

I would like to include that testimony of experiences a woman has endured could be given on a Sunday still as long as a man is teaching the lesson involved. This still brings a woman in without making her the teacher herself.

[@SoulDeepZim]

So women can't even pray or sing in church? We can't even share testimony? Interesting

[@troywright359]

@Levi Cross wait, so you think all women should literally be silent every time they enter a church? weird flex and definitely unbiblical

[@troywright359]

@Levi Cross Oh, so you think that's literal, it's a shame if a woman ever speaks while inside or attendning church? ok

[@rickmathews4101]

Somehow I don’t think “teaching” establishes final “authority” over anyone let alone men. Rather, ones ability to teach demonstrates ones ability to potentially influence, whether good or bad. Any man that has been married for a length of time can testify how his wife does influence not just the children but also himself. The responsibility rest not solely on the “influencer” but on those who are potentially influenced. However, one could argue against that when it comes to children being influenced. They for a time have no choice to logically process what is being taught, but rather, they naturally take in what they’re exposed to. With that said, yes the “man” (husband /father) is the final resting place for ultimate responsibility as seen in genesis 3. What is being taught to his wife, his children as well as what is he taking in that is potentially influencing his and his family’s identity. I think at the end of the day leadership is not as much of an authority as much as it is a “responsibility”. Leadership that is in a position of authority is ultimately held responsible for lessons, decisions and choices that effect that sphere they are responsible too.

[@Contrarian-v7p]

Things would be so much easier if men alone were created and could reproduce asexually.

[@chrisanok9283]

@@Contrarian-v7p no man will agree

[@chrisanok9283]

We can't change the bible with GOOD LOGIC. SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR.. JUST NOT EASY TO ACCEPT

[@excellentclean7235]

Can Elders affirm what God forbids? We know the answer; but ever since the fall of man, we tend to judge the decisions of God.

[@8784-l3b]

I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Reply for it if desired. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. That is how a woman could judge men of their sins, including homicide. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles. To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.

[@Funkydood]

Bishop, elder, presbyter, overseer and pastor are interchangeable titles/terms. They were all men. Never women.

[@8784-l3b]

There was no gender qualification to be a Judge over Israel.

[@dedankimathi7136]

Eve was deceived not Adam. That's plain to see in scripture

[@Contrarian-v7p]

Yes . . . Adam sinned WILLFULLY which is why sin came through HIM and not Eve.

[@MariusVanWoerden]

In a gathering of only women yes she could.

[@michaelbrickley2443]

Marius VanWoerden, who taught Apollos about the Holy Spirit? Both Priscilla and Aquila

[@terryvest640]

Oh bit why should women do ANYTHING in the church ? We are stupid, prone to sin and ineffective. Maybe ysll should scrub the hd toilets next week

[@MariusVanWoerden]

@@terryvest640 According to Scripture there is a bit more women can do in the church. Our Lord does not place women so low. One even carried the Son Of God in her womb. For me as a man, scrub the toilets in the church would not be to low a task as Our Lord did the work of a Slave when He washed the Disciples feet. Romans 16 : 1 I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is a servant of the church in Cenchrea, 2 that you may receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints, and assist her in whatever business she has need of you; for indeed she has been a helper of many and of myself also. 12 Greet Tryphena and Tryphosa, who have labored in the Lord. Greet the beloved Persis, who labored much in the Lord. John 4; 28 The woman then left her waterpot, went her way into the city, and said to the men, 29 “Come, see a Man who told me all things that I ever did. Could this be the Christ?” 30 Then they went out of the city and came to Him. She was Preaching the Gospel. God sometimes chooses a woman if the man fail to do it. Philippians 4:2-3 I entreat Euodia and I entreat Syntyche to agree in the Lord. Yes, I ask you also, true companion, help these women, who have labored side by side with me in the gospel together with Clement and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life. The Bible tells women not to have a teaching office in the church. But Not, not to witness her faith in Christ wherever there is a need. And special for women and children she can teach like Sunday school or a gathering of women. That is Scripture.

[@terryvest640]

@@MariusVanWoerden get your toilet brush out then. Been in church all my life and I have NEVER seen a man scrubbing a toilet. Or working in the nursery. Oh I've seen men preach how AMAZING it is to be submissive to your husbands and church leaders. The bible only mentions women as an passing glance, generally only because they had sex with a man or bore a child) ( Ruth, Sara, Rebecca, Leah whose husband never did love her , eve who has shouldered the blame of sin on her own, queen ester. Dont get me wrong I am not a feminist , I dont hate men, but growing up Pentecostal leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I've heard one to many sermons about the evils of women. I don't see the value that men in the church say women have.... it's hard to see the sun when you have been chained in someone elses shadow. It's not a honor to say yes to your husband when everything inside of you is screaming no this is not right but he gets the authority, I have to yield even if its wrong, even if it harms me emotionally, even if it's the wrong decision. But I have to obey God because I love him. .I just dont see the importance of women.

[@MariusVanWoerden]

@@terryvest640 You either try willfully to bug people or you are that dumb that you cannot understand things. However 1 Corinthians 11: 5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head. prophesying is not cleaning the toilet. and no thanks I would but we have a janitor in our church.

[@a.medina4338]

No

[@NB-ky5ol]

Before I was a Christian I felt that this scripture was sexist but through getting to know scripture and God it becomes abundantly clear that God knows what is best for us because He designed us. This does not make us women second-class citizens. Think of it as people within a company who each have their own specific job they were trained for. As a woman I have been designed to be more emotional than the typical male. That's what helps me to be a more compassionate mother who is sensitive her to childrens' needs and fragile spirits. It's not a bad thing at all and it is one of the things that makes me a great caretaker both in the home and in my career.

[@Contrarian-v7p]

So where in the body of Christ is room for a woman who chooses to remain unwed and not bear children or for infertile women? Do you believe female terminal value is in marriage and motherhood? Whereas men have potential far beyond that and receive a spouse and children as an add-on blessing . . . But for women it's their whole value?

[@jerichomontes]

"The big issue here is not the interpretation of the Scripture but whether we obey it or not." - Dr. Albert Mohler

[@forhisglory8471]

oh the interpretation is necessary. keeping it in context is also necessary.