Can all religions be right?

BBC One 17 January 2016

[@bradwhelan4466]

" As long as people are afraid of death, there will always be religion." Christopher Hitchens.

[@willievanstraaten1960]

This is a fact.

[@willievanstraaten1960]

@Fat B4st4rd Nice

[@leehighland5435]

Atheists just don't want a boss over them who can judge them. Hitchens was no different.

[@willievanstraaten1960]

​@@leehighland5435 Lee Highland: “don't want a boss over them who can judge them” Hitch should have included an immoral ancient concocted boss that endlessly killed and punished. A fear-driven superstitious primeval theology to control an unapprised and gullible few people in the Middle East, while the rest of the world was completely unaware of this boss and developed their own bosses.

[@felixmidas3245]

@@leehighland5435 Or you could say believers are subservient creatures who are afraid of freedom and responsibility.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Can all religions be right. No. Can all religions be wrong. Yes.

[@balance3201]

Could you be wrong?Yes

[@kimdanielsen4368]

Can atheism be very wrong, absolutely.

[@kimdanielsen4368]

@Atluzz there is no evidence for atheism, if you think so please enlightened us??

[@kimdanielsen4368]

​@Atluzz That´s a good question. From my investigation in looking at the large religions and philosophies, I figured out that religions are fundamentally very different from each other and most of them are obviously wrong. Christianity is the only religion I know that can answer the fundamental questions of life and is superior to other religions when we compared them honestly with each other. In the end, I know Christianity is true because it talks about objective truth and I know other religious or non-religious ideas are wrong because it does not talk about that which is true.

[@kimdanielsen4368]

Not necessarily if you look at each religion objectively you can see which religion is right in its claim and which it's not. By the way, how do you know that your spirituality is the right one??

[@tomtunafish8957]

The only time theists question religious beliefs is when faced with someone else's religion. Then they are suddenly incredulous. They have no problem with their own magical beliefs but anyone elses magical beliefs are a step to far!

[@unggrabb]

Jealousy, they wish that they had thought of the others fantasy first

[@matthewyabsley]

For the most part they try to claim other people's beliefs as their own, just misguided. They'll take any part they can as a win for them, such as everyone believes in something else, or a higher power. They're slippery snakes. Even if you pin them on any single point they'll just flit to another and another.

[@unggrabb]

@@matthewyabsley my invisible man is better than your invisible man. Both bogus, but mine is better. Bah humbug. How can adults cling to such lunacy?

[@theotherside70]

Your point is inaccurate. A 'religious belief' is a set of principles, and a view on life. You have that too. Your use of the word 'magical' suggests that you question other peoples' world views. I assume you believe your world view is correct, which gets us back to square one!

[@davidvarley1812]

Tom tunafish, Christians often say we should believe in God. Their so arrogant because they think their god is everyone's god.

[@bubblegumnipples1639]

"They all come from the same divine source" Human imagination is hardly divine.

[@kennethd.9436]

BubbleGumNipples Exactly. What a funny thing that people misinterpret the “source” in so many ways, even to the point when killing each other was commanded by the “source”.

[@chrisgriffiths2533]

So where did the Ability to Imagine come from?. Assuming it did not come from a God.

[@rodneysettle8106]

Chris Griffiths from the evolving human brain.

[@chrisgriffiths2533]

@@rodneysettle8106 Rodney, So Did the Dinosaurs Have an Imagination, Or Not?.

[@rodneysettle8106]

Chris Griffiths I don’t know I’m not a dinosaur but it’s possible.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

If all religions are right and they don't agree, then all religions are wrong. Solution: I do my own thinking.

[@bretzajac7986]

so if some scientist claim evolution started with primordial soup, some crystals from space and others that aliens seeded the earth then all evolution is wrong? that's your logic right?

[@bretzajac7986]

@pinkah boo that is actually the definition of slavery. You're a slave to you desires...

[@patrickparker8417]

Where has that led you ?

[@patrickparker8417]

@@pureenergy5051 Yawn .

[@pureenergy5051]

@@patrickparker8417 You are the one that is boring because you don't read.

[@steviegbcool]

no but they can all be wrong....

[@muhammedaliaydin7207]

steven G But it is all right. The Universe is not coincindence

[@RR-mp7hw]

Muhammed Ali Aydin Do you understand the definition of coincidence?

[@RR-mp7hw]

pinkah boo Natural processes started life. We have no reason to believe otherwise.

[@RR-mp7hw]

I use all of the objective evidence available to me to draw rational conclusions. If you think that is small minded then your definition needs adjustment.

[@jamieholmes5443]

Why can't they all be wrong again?

[@poppycock7206]

Q: "Can all religions be right?" A: No, but they CAN all be wrong.

[@donaldsmith7824]

Truth sets us free. Amen.

[@davidvarley1812]

Lies hold us back.

[@Koran90123]

How dafuq can mutually exclusive claims all be true?

[@iamuniqueism]

only through faith mate....lmao

[@theotherside70]

Is it really about being ‘true?’ Every person, including yourself, has a worldview based on what you think may be true

[@theotherside70]

The point was that how could exclusive claims be correct? The point I am making is ...do you think your claim is correct?

[@Notthetimeforit]

MrGoodkat they never do get that fact, for some reason it seems to not quite compute.

[@dirtymikentheboys5817]

ow shit you totally destroyed obiter!!!

[@mohamadabdallah1379]

The reverend looks like he was a hippie back in the 80's😂

[@ishanvidyarthi7340]

No one has asked your opinion

[@mohamadabdallah1379]

@@ishanvidyarthi7340 no one asked you to reply to my comment either🤷‍♂️

[@svenred6eard757]

He still looks like one. He probably had a bad acid trip and saw Jesus

[@omario2069]

exactly~ he prolly practices flower Love as well in real life ...=)

[@donaldsmith7824]

Written by an “ILLITTERATE” in the dessert??? What the fuck!!!!

[@Merlinever]

As Christopher Hitchens said, "If not all religions can be right, isn't the most logical conclusion that they are all wrong?"

[@smujismuj]

It is truly astounding how willing 'believers' are to cherry pick what they accept and don't accept.

[@stephenpack2202]

Cherry picking and ignore the terrible scriptures of rape your way in stone your way out!!! Floods angels demons talking snakes arks...light before the sun flat earth ..6000 years old jeeeeez people are like children....because we don't understand the world we live in doesn't mean there is a god!!!!...religion is insanity driven by fear of the unknown!!! I havnt got the answers and neither do religions....its all a mind game!!!

[@LSmallCatL]

Well thanks to Corona we've seen plenty of that... and there was very much no religion required... . Which is probably more scary because crazy has become so less identifiable these days.

[@pathfinder1273]

That's what happens when people turn it into a competition, and being "right" becomes more important than being united.

[@avarmauk]

If we were all taught religion only as adults. How many of us would believe it?

[@willievanstraaten1960]

I wonder, very few if any.

[@FactStorm]

@@willievanstraaten1960 Yup, most cases of religiosity are due to childhood indoctrination translated and stamped onto people's psyche until adulthood. Imagine spending your entire life dedicate to a delusion. It's so sad..I pity billions of theists because their circumstances brewed the conditions for long lasting belief in dogma

[@TC_83]

“All religions are like chapters of one book” Found in the fiction section

[@davidmccarroll8274]

This is far too big a generalization to be of any significance without any particular focus.

[@Roedygr]

Obviously not. They all contradict each other.

[@Danlows1]

See, the reverend is the kind of religious man I respect as an atheist: asking questions but doesn’t force his beliefs down your throat.

[@jasonbyrne8487]

I don't have even a modicum of respect for any religious people, their deluded bullshit is detrimental to human progress and should be mocked and ridiculed at every possible opportunity.

[@scottishwarrior8014]

BBC plz bring this show back it was delight to watch Sunday morning 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@steverae898]

The moderator (do not remember his name) does a wonderful job of controlling the conversations. I will watch more.

[@jasonbyrne8487]

Nicky Campbell

[@Poseidon6363]

Childish delusions are very high here.

[@davidroberts1689]

Yes, it makes me nervous.

[@kimdanielsen4368]

Childish atheism is very high here, silly put true.

[@peterbartley9155]

Kim Danielsen atheism is the only logical stance. It’s not being convinced about something that has no evidence to support it. That’s should be common sense.

[@wolfthequarrelsome504]

Truly religious people, (how many is that) understand that we didn't get here alone and search for how.

[@jerrickmarques8777]

I think the funniest thing of all is that 2000 years later they're still crying about some random homeless dude who got nailed to a cross, the symbol they worship, but also exclaim that he needed to die.

[@animalityleadshumanity9833]

As a science student i love watching people talk about god and atheism. I love to study how a human brain can act. I love studying humans

[@paulrichards6894]

in 2014 84% of the worlds population believed in a god....suspect its a tad lower now

[@JJ-io9ms]

Great to hear, love this energy!

[@FactStorm]

And it is leading you to think what, that most of us stupid? Wouldn't blame ya

[@567891100]

Our species is highly imaginative, From how to use fire to making tools clothing language farming all the way to supercomputers and space travel. So for me to think man did not invent religion is outright idiotic especially when religion targets the emotions. The emotions is the easiest thing to manipulate.

[@theotherside70]

Your statement is obviously based on your idea of what religion is. And so it makes sense according to your understanding. What if: it was a mix of emotion, intellect and reason? Also, the idea of 'inventing' religion: are you saying you do not have principles by which you live? things you feel are important? The typical answer to that question is: Yes, but it has nothing to do with religion, I don't need religion to 'tell me what to do'. Which then begs the question "where do we get our principles from?' ; why should we not kill each other? Animals do, and if we are simply just another animal, then what gives us the right to believe we have more say in the planet than a dog? How would our unique ability enable us to do create supercomputers and space travel? Why does no other animal in the world have such capabilities? If there's nothing to peg our purpose on, then surely we should just live like animals and que sera sera! Consciousness, conscience, purpose, sense of morality, hierarchy, law and order, love, compassion, altruism, power of choice, power to design, ability to plan and communicate, the ability to even discover and assess the blueprint of life. to invent, to do science, to even come up with a vaccine to fight coronavirus... are unique attributes of human beings. Could it be that the fact the human race stands alone of all nature in its ability to have intentional management; the fact we are able to communicate using simple symbols called letters - by which we can even change the course of a person's life - is that not a strong case for an original Source from which all this comes? If it's simply just in the 'stardust' then am I to believe my wooden table, which comes from trees, has a conscience, or my cat might be running for president some time in future? Personally, I believe too much stares us in the face, but we suspend almost basic logic if the conclusion leads to a higher power. But if 'science' told us tomorrow that intelligence and morals were originally came to earth via a meteorite which came from Pluto, we are supposed to blindly believe it, and not question, because 'science said so' - although science is done by mortal, time limited, intelligence limited humans! My point is not to dictate what people should believe, but to ask people to examine the foundations and principles by which they feel they are entitled to make their comments, whilst dismissing others who might see the same thing from a different angle, or even a different thing from a same angle

[@567891100]

@@theotherside70 You are talking dribble in an attempt to justify your belief. "Belief" To think, yes think something is true without proof. That is the definition of the word belief. Feelings have nothing to do with it, i can release adrenalin when i paint just by experincing the joy of painting. I know why i feel that way and know how it happend. Yet you ignore it is your own brain that is creating the feelings from your own thoughts. Wake up religin is bullshit.

[@davidvarley1812]

@@567891100 I think theotherside70 made the most fantastic argument for holding an athiest or agnostic view. If theotherside70 is unaware that dogs communicate with each other and humans', I doubt he's to aware of anything. I've got Christians friends, when I ask them why they believe in God they usually say, because they want to. I can't argue with my friends logic, I can't see theotherside70 logic at all.

[@yoyosun7670]

the flying spaghetti monster is one true god

[@ozadrian]

You are both completely deluded. Shame on you and bow down before lord fusilli

[@andrewoliver8930]

The only one with scientific facts, lack of dogma and a deity without genitals.

[@deweycouto6922]

Yoysun...nope flying pixies for me

[@LeighDWYC]

Eric Claeyborn no. No one has ever said that. If you think they have then you’re the idiot

[@seancarter42]

Either God exists or he doesn’t. In Christian terms, that means one of us is wrong. If God did reveal Himself through the person of Jesus Christ, I am okay. That means that one of us is really deluding ourselves. Good luck with your choice.

[@Mabeylater293]

Another "going nowhere" episode.

[@blancaroca8786]

Yeah but i think just posing the question little by little eats away at the conscience of people. The answer should be pretty obvious with a little thought but of course we have to get over our predjudices me our wishful thinking and fears .

[@1yearago491]

It isn't just about the studio audience, it's for those viewing to reflect on after watching as well

[@jayadams2771]

They do all come from one source, The Human Brain.

[@pathfinder1273]

No, they don't. See? I can do that too.

[@declanx4751]

@@pathfinder1273 Only there is evidence that it comes from the brain and absolutely no evidence that it comes from anywhere else.

[@pathfinder1273]

@@declanx4751 There is no evidence it comes from the brain. What does that even mean?

[@declanx4751]

@@pathfinder1273 It's pretty simple stuff really. The scientific evidence shows that all of human experience is contained and experienced within the brain. There is no evidence of anything supernatural at all. I can't really dumb it down any further than that.

[@pjjjeennoo8303]

"Scientific facts in the quran" hilarious!

[@Irfanahmadnaz]

have you read it ?

[@roqsteady5290]

@@Irfanahmadnaz enuf to know that the claims are laughable.

[@adelaidefoster7320]

@@Irfanahmadnaz I have and found it 150% ridiculous (I'm applying koranic scientific methods here lol)

[@Irfanahmadnaz]

@@adelaidefoster7320 you sir are lying. tell me something you read ?

[@adelaidefoster7320]

@@Irfanahmadnaz do you dare to speak to women? or just hoping i'm not? this one is a joke: "It is He Who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed." this one is an insult to human beings: "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter... and fight them until fitnah is no more, and religion is for Allah"

[@Holborovv]

Religion was Science before Science... It was our best understanding of the world at the time, but as time went on we discovered new technologies and information and new Science that explains the world better and keeps explaining it better. A lot of people just refuse to move on from the outdated understandings.

[@EUSA1776]

“We have to take into account people with no beliefs, like you know ... capitalism........” I see why you were convinced by Islam, lady.

[@s.dilipkumarsingha6494]

Namaste to all from India. To me, Dharma in Hinduism is a little different from the meaning of Religion. Dharma means - "the righteous acts/duties/laws which hold and support a system". It is not only applied to human being, but to all other living beings and other non-living things also. Even it is applied in an atom or solar system or universe. The righteous force/energy which hold and support an atomic structure that makes masses/matters is Dharma. The whole cosmology which exists as an unique system of nature or any living beings right from Plants itself is Dharma. Please look at any plants, leaves or insects. We will see a very intelligent unique designs. It is Called Chit or absolute Consciousness. This Absolute Consciousness is the Cosmic Force or Cosmic energy from which matters (living and non-livings) came into being. All the masses of the cosmology are floating on it and this Force itself manifests in different forms as mattes. we call this Force as God or Allah which is One Being only manifested in trillions of Forms. According to Sanatana Dharma, God is one but its forms are many. Hence, Gods are presented in different forms in Hinduism with different story tellings. Dharma is an universal Law. Let us not relate it to Hinduism alone. Man discriminate religions from place to place. But Dharma does not change. It cant be destroyed. Every structures right from DNA or sub-atomic particles to Universe are due to Dharma. Hindus or Muslims or Christians may disappear, but Dharma does not. Because it is eternal/sanatana. This is called Sanatana(Eternal) Dharma. Eternal Law. Of Course, the core concept of Hinduism is Sanatana Dharma. There may be different divine stories in Hinduism but all are based on Sanatana Dharma. Again, why do hindus worship Idols. Any abstract ideas or things are communicated through sound, sign and symbols. we communicate our mental ideas through language which is sound. Any logical idea is communicated/expressed through sign and symbols. 2+2=4 is a logical idea, which works, which exists. The underlying abstract logic is expressed through signs only. Likewise, we create an Idol of Super personalities or set a natural object as God/Creator and super-impose that Absolute and Supreme Being/Absolute Force of Cosmology from which all creations came into being over the selected object or Supreme Personalities so as to communicate their Inner Force to human mind in a most effective manner. This is practically result oriented path of spirituality. Of the 4 Yogas mentioned in Bhagavad Gita (Karma Yoga, Bhakti yoga, Gyan Yoga and Raja Yoga,) Bhakti Yoga is the most important one because it is based on unconditional love of God/Creator/Allah. To surrender to Him without any demand through kirtan, divine songs, with dances and music for the Lord is the easiest and most effective path to spiritualism. . . . . Hare Krishna to all

[@nostalgicever3267]

Sir what about Casteism in Hinduism?

[@Acqyt]

​@@nostalgicever3267Expand your question?

[@Lou13Cyf3r]

the black atheist at 6:40 said the ONLY comment that had any revenant

[@patrickparker8417]

Really , oh boy .

[@ericclaeyborn8359]

Atheists don't have anything good to say.

[@kenlyneham4105]

REVENANT: a person who has returned, especially supposedly from the dead. ??

[@kimdanielsen4368]

Atheist are delusional.

[@kenlyneham4105]

@@kimdanielsen4368, 'Atheists are delusional'? Atheists don't believe in an invisible supernatural being that favours THEM personally as believers do. Atheists, unlike believers, don't have a personal friend in the sky on whom they make daily demands. Atheists can prove what they believe but to my knowledge, NO believer has been able to prove the existence of their invisible friend. BTW, it is up to the proposer of a ridiculous claim, to prove the validity of that claim, NOT the person they are making the claim to.

[@aaronbeazley7240]

FAITH equals something you cannot prove

[@wiet111]

this is a bit sad. The contradictions here are so glaring. I don't know how everyone can keep on believing.

[@fi5mvKsW3M]

wiet111 Indoctrination and surrounding yourself with like-minded people and a severe lack of critical thinking.

[@theotherside70]

wiet111 A contradiction is a contradiction; it’s not faith based. I’m assuming you believe something: it may not be a deity, but you also believe something; what you believe contradicts its antithesis; so why would you continue believing? It’s called freedom of choice.

[@patrickparker8417]

Name one ?

[@patrickparker8417]

And that coming from an atheist , now that's funny .

[@jerrickmarques8777]

@@theotherside70 freedom of delusion is more accurate

[@thomaschristopherwhite9043]

This is like watching nerds discuss who would win in a fight between Goku and Superman.

[@nathanmckenzie904]

@@keithboynton Defintely!

[@pathfinder1273]

@Thomas Christopher White And how would you know that? Is that something you do often?

[@roberttelford745]

I was wondering what happened to Carlos Puyol !

[@iamuniqueism]

lmao

[@phoreman88]

Carles

[@farhanurmiah2635]

LOL

[@phoreman88]

This is one of the main questions I have asked about religion for a long time. glad to see they had this as the topic. on a side note, i dont know much about this show, but this "format" of having everyone sit in a semi circle seems better. when they are sitting on opposite sides of eachother, it often creates a feeling a hostility. this way they are all together and that separation isnt as apparent. not sure if that actually affects anything, just a thought.

[@dogless10]

Scientific facts in the koran, seriously? LoL

[@mattincinci]

+dogless10 even a broken clock is correct twice a day lol

[@amit4Bihar]

People convert to Islam for different reasons. Don't bring science into it. Why doesn't she start a religion of Nostradamus

[@amit4Bihar]

People convert to Islam for different reasons. Don't bring science into it. Why doesn't she start a religion of Nostradamus

[@MrAmitkr007]

+Taha Hagar I know right! Like the Yezidis and Christians in Iraq for example. Quran scientifically proved to them and specially their girls that their beliefs were wrong through prominent scientists of ISIS institute. Lot of people converted by seeing these scientific miracles of Quran as you call them- raping infidels even if they are married or children - beheading - teaching (the word Muslims use while punishing non Muslims) - etc. As for real science, here it's. Quran says they m the earth is egg like in some verses and totally flat in some verses. It says that salt and water doesn't mix. Plenty of such scientific truths area found in Quran.

[@iamuniqueism]

+Taha Hagar Islam is the fastest growing religion so fucking what??? popularity doesn't equate objective reasonable truth!! many idiots on this planet mate!

[@paulsenkans3401]

It's good to see Peter Owen Jones on the show. His documentaries are worth viewing.

[@mmark292tbib2]

You can see in the demeanor of a believer ,especially christians,that there is something thats just not right about them..like there bordering on insanity.Does anybody else notice this?

[@karenkordes2210]

Actually, I have noticed something: that the theists in this show are polite and patiently wait for the non-theists to finish talking...Generally speaking...; My observations of the non-theists (including the host) indicate that they interrupt and respond with verbal barbs and ridicule. Just my observation. First step in the Scientific Method.

[@marleneholloway7775]

+Acts of Seventh Jesus is the answer The only answer

[@jamesvanderhoorn1117]

True, but I notice there's something wrong, unbalanced, in the demeanour of atheists as well.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Playing make believe while blocking out reality.

[@Tony07UK]

How do you know if these people are really Christian? .. just because they make that claim?

[@1000xtati]

I'm taking my like back. I wanted to hear the atheist lady more

[@dharmiknair]

Faiths which have its outset from individuals ( semetic relihions) are not right all the time. But SANADHANA DHARMA is a comprehensive ideology and it says just the right and only the right.

[@larssrensen4353]

Wow thsi program really covers a lot of religious topics

[@youtoo2233]

I live in the south U.S. and you rarely hear the word "Absolutely", but its all i hear when people are being asked questions on KZbin

[@EdGloss]

More nonsense. When will people grow up already?

[@Okayand33]

Most of humanity will always continue to be "children of God"

[@kayem3824]

The reverend is weird.

[@EvolvingCaveman]

This is a way for all religions to be right: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZrTeIeGgbSGhtU

[@OnSafari247]

Yes, clearly, when is everyone going to grow up and realize that nothing created everything?

[@patrickparker8417]

Wise words .

[@NickoGibson]

A Jinn has been trolling everyone for about 5000 years.

[@everettbrown2057]

Anthony Magnabosco just strolls on in with his box of tic tacs

[@TheElvismcgee]

Was Rev Jones in Status Quo

[@lifeisalearningprocess8992]

As an outspoken Atheist, I feel it is long overdure that religions go on trial and be fully accountable for all of their divisive, violent, immoral acts today and throughout the centuries. All this without one shred of verifiable, concrete data or evidence of a single supernatural event, god{s} claim or assertion. Relgion is about power over women and the masses based on delusion, myth and superstition.

[@awesomegadgets8458]

We both know that will never happen. Armageddon is more likely.

[@andrewoliver8930]

And cash.

[@jimlewis4389]

Not quite on trial but there is a Royal Commission into Institutional Child Abuse in Australia being held. So at least they are being held accountable for the horrid crimes committed by the religious.

[@huepix]

It never ceases to amaze me that people will believe in an idea in their imagination while denying reality.

[@Dr.YehudaBenNachmanFriedburg]

Mate people have faith people have beliefs, and de meaning us for our faith or beliefs makes you look like a pompous arrogant aloof charlatan simpleton of the first order if I do say so myself sir.

[@tylerwhitney3443]

I could listen to Peter Owen Jones speak all day, great presener, tho we may differ on our beliefs regarding god.

[@rachnasingh3991]

It's (shape of earth)elaborately described and written in Bhagwata Gita .

[@clubsport9118]

FFS. I sometimes wonder if people who "believe" have a hearing problem ? Can they not hear the words their own mouths are saying ? Perhaps the words go into their ears, get lost in Mushy Peas and never actually get to the brain ? It's utterly bizarre.

[@abelchavez5647]

clubsport911 our brains work backwards , this is why ...perhaps

[@pathfinder1273]

Do you actually have something to say, or do you just like scoffing?

[@clubsport9118]

@@pathfinder1273 Not to you- your ears are full of mushy peas. My parting question... What would it take for you to reverse your belief. Put another way, would you - based on the depth and level of evidence you can muster for your god - transfer this to Santa Claus ?

[@pathfinder1273]

@@clubsport9118 You have nothing to say to me, but then you say something anyway? Interesting contradiction.... I have no idea what your "question" is intended to mean. I have the feeling that it is mostly sarcastic rhetoric. Especially since it's a "parting question", which I assume means you are not interested in discussion, just firing potshots. If I'm wrong, maybe reword the question so I have something to answer.

[@clubsport9118]

@@pathfinder1273 zzzz....

[@valben8663]

"Religion to really bring out the best potential in human being" wow that was hilarious, but what she really mean is ""don't think, shut up, and just believe" LOL

[@FactStorm]

Typical of a subservient, and gullible believer. What did you expect? Lol

[@awesomegadgets8458]

The biggest insult to God is to say Jesus died for our sins! It serves NO PURPOSE. And to say we can't improve ourselves is ludicrous. How about increasing our moral and emotional intelligence, also think of ways to increase our emotional morality.

[@stableianF1oracle]

It’s your right to believe in God just as it’s your right to be called a twat for doing so

[@sandysutherland2182]

Bugger! I wanted to hear what that little poonce Milo had to say!

[@smujismuj]

Religion is institutionalized hear/say.

[@pathfinder1273]

No it's not. See? I can do that too.

[@moally55]

Funny we didn't hear anything from bendy locks sitting on the front row!

[@Promiseland2024]

I love this. It’s nice to discuss disagreements without the anger and disrespect. I have come to accept that no one knows period! We will find out when we pass away. Until then be tolerant to your neighbors belief, accept that we all have things that mold our beliefs and who we are. Be patient. And just love. Although if you are a person who murders, rapes, a pedophile, etc... I have no love 4 u and I stand with the death penalty and the stand your ground laws.....

[@paulsenkans3401]

Jesus, the blah blah blah. Replace Jesus with any other name you can think of. There you go! To quote David Icke, "They are all pissing in the same pot".

[@patrickparker8417]

Your talking nonsense

[@Tony07UK]

So you believe in a hollow moon and reptilian people also? There goes your credibility.

[@lorenzomurrone2430]

I have never seen such an articulated and well-substantiated argument! How is it that nobody has granted you a scholarship yet?

[@syedashandanasummer6923]

No, all religions are wrong and will remain wrong. However any religion offers better Placebos will be more popular among the masses.

[@ericclaeyborn8359]

The religion of atheism is the worst.

[@davidvarley1812]

All religions are wrong. If God wanted to inform us of his existence, he'd have built it into our brains.

[@trickydickyjoe]

They cant all be right, but they can be all wrong!

[@b991228]

As Spark would say religions proclaiming they are the only ultimate truth is illogical.

[@mausperson5854]

"God is unknowable"... Why then do people keeping making knowledge claims about the attributes and desires of God for his/her/it's creation? At every turn, despite how much progress we have made with respect to understanding the world we inhabit, humans demonstrate how little we have in actuality moved on from our evolutionary forebears. We marvel at ourselves while ignoring the fact that we are primates fumbling for answers to questions that may well be insoluble.

[@pathfinder1273]

What is meant is that the reality of God is unknowable to us. Can a chair know the carpenter? Can a painting know the painter? Yet they each can convey certain attributes of their creator. In that sense, we can never understand what God is. The concept of Progressive Revelation is that from time to time as humanity progresses, God reveals His Will to certain persons. They then instruct and guide humanity to develop the spiritual attributes necessary for that age, and establish laws or ordinances that enable civilization to advance. As religion is intended for humans, who are flawed, it is inevitable that religion itself will be flawed. As each religion nears the end of its intended lifespan, those flaws increase and intensify. If we hold on to any particular religion too long, we wind up with what are essentially mummified remains. As an illustration of this, the creation story may have been an appropriate explanation for people who lived thousands of years ago, but it is now nothing more than an allegory that illumines certain spiritual truths about our relationship to God and our environment. Hope that clarifies a bit. As you say, there are questions that we may never find the answers to. Which is fine from a religious point of view, because faith implies an unfolding understanding of reality that is never complete because we are finite beings. What Baha'u'llah told us is that when we establish a complete and enduring unity on the earth, mankind collectively will be able to resolve any challenges that face it. It is disunity, divisiveness, and separation, in religion and everything else, that has caused the problems we face. Science and reason are clearly some of the best tools we have for achieving this, but as you can see from certain responses to climate change and the pandemic, it can't do it alone.

[@mausperson5854]

@@pathfinder1273 this version God is an imperfect communicator at best. What you refer to as revelations have inspired hatred, divisiveness, intolerance and worse. The problem with the analogy you employ with respect to chairs and paintings is that those creations can be shown demonstrably as 'creations'. They have no access to the nature of who we know to be their creators as they lack consciousness. We on the other hand are conscious agents who would be able to confirm the existence of our creator in much the same way that a child is aware of the nature and characteristics of their parents. Divine hiddeness is not a particularly encouraging model for the existence of a deity. Countless people, over the expanse of time, have made claims if not identical then similar to yours regarding a god or gods. But, the question remains; how do you know? What evidence can you provide?

[@pathfinder1273]

@@mausperson5854 No, He is a perfect communicator, by definition. Science endeavours to discover the natural world, but it is a constant challenge and often we have to go back to the drawing board because of some unforeseen result. Does that mean the natural world is a poor communicator, or that the investigator has misread the evidence? Humans, however, are notoriously poor at all aspects of communication. I won't elaborate, this is so well proven as to be axiomatic. The essence of all religions governs our relationship to God and to each other. Never mind the miracles, dogma, metaphysics, cosmology, etc. God created us through love, and He wants us to love him and to love each other. Christ said this very thing, and it is the core of all religious faith. How well have we done at this one simple task? Doesn't it seem that had we made this the dominant feature of our history that things would be going a whole lot better? But no, narrow-minded people busied themselves with everything but this, and now we blame God and religion for this madness. If you maintain that this kind of revelation inspires hatred, divisiveness, and intolerance, then it follows that science has inspired biological, chemical, and nuclear warfare. "Divine hiddeness" is no more exceptional than the difficulties humanity has faced in its quest for scientific knowledge. We have been investigating nature for thousands of years, and while we have made great strides, how much time, money, and human resources have gone into it? Nature is all around us, we live in it, but so much is hidden from view until we devise a means to uncover it. Nevertheless, the most important things we need to know are quite evident from simply living and experiencing. Baha'u'llah describes God as the Manifest and the Hidden (the name could easily apply to physical reality). To anyone who looks for Him, He is forever accessible. To those who choose to ignore Him, He will forever remain undiscovered. This is why Christ said, "Seek and ye shall find," and Baha'u'llah said, "Labor and ardor are needed, if we are to seek Him." Clearly, effort and desire are required. But nowhere in any scripture does it suggest that God will reveal His nature to those who arrogantly scoff, "Show me the evidence." The evidence is there, but only for those who desire and seek it. At this point, atheists usually retort something about "You say that because you don't have any evidence," and congratulate themselves on their victory. What can you find in this world that can be had without effort? The more we desire, the harder we must work.

[@mausperson5854]

@@pathfinder1273 sorry, but this reads like casuistry of the first order. The inference here is that someone like myself who has spent decades looking for answers to these questions haven't been sufficiently vigilant in our efforts or that those who were once convinced and then lost their faith through lack of compelling evidence were somehow faulty in their approach to seeking the truth of the matter. I'm not interested in having a pissing contest about divine hiddeness when my interlocutor is more interested in sophistry than honest discourse. Claims about God devoid of content do nothing for me but to concretise my adherence to the null hypothesis. So the faithful have all their work ahead of them to change the minds of unbelievers and, frankly, that can only be blamed on a deity, should one exist.

[@pathfinder1273]

@@mausperson5854 Wow! What big words! Wicked! I don't think you want to have a discourse so much as a contest, pissing or otherwise. You brought up the idea of hiddenness as a criticism of God, and I suggested that hiddenness serves a purpose. You took that as a personal attack on your "decades (of) looking for answers" and then implied that the fault lies with what I said or how I said it ("sophistry": give me a break!). I didn't make the rules, I just presented them. The search for truth is what it is: we either make the effort or we don't. "The steed of this Valley (of Search) is patience; without patience the wayfarer on this journey will reach nowhere and attain no goal. Nor should he ever be downhearted; if he strive for a hundred thousand years and yet fail to behold the beauty of the Friend, he should not falter." Decades really don't compare to a hundred thousand years. You state that "the faithful have all their work ahead of them to change the minds of the unbelievers..." I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. That is your responsibility. I offered some different viewpoints for your consideration. You took them the wrong way without asking for clarification or explanation. In any case, it appears this exchange has run its course.

[@DimitrisDevil]

If all religions accept that there is no god then yes they will all be right

[@travescolt7389]

We all must believe in one god

[@jensraab2902]

@DimitrisDevil: Not necessarily. There are atheistic religions in the sense that they don't include a god or gods their worldview; animistic religions are an example, many Buddhists and Shintoists also do not believe in god(s). Yet, these religions also postulate the supernatural and incorporate lots of (what I see as) superstitious nonsense.

[@uselesshero.official]

@@jensraab2902 Shintoist totally believe in God/ Gods. Kami totally mean 'God' or 'Guardian deities'. And many Buddhist scriptures also mentions that existence of deities is very much possible so Buddhism is an agnostic religion not a full fledged atheist religion.

[@FactStorm]

@@travescolt7389 Be quiet, monotheist lemming

[@BedsitBob]

Was that Milo Yiannopoulos in the audience?

[@bigboy9983]

How can I tell what is the difference between what is a fact and what is a thought bubble going through my head?

[@losttribe3001]

7:25 has to be my favorite moment. That woman has bought into some weird idea that all religions are like “rays of the sun” and started off acting like she’s all enlightened. All religions are good...except Mormonism. That’s just rubbish. As an ex-Mormon, now atheist, this made me laugh so damn hard. This is why Hitchens said religion poisons everything. Her thinking is poisoned.

[@pathfinder1273]

I can see from how you either misunderstood, misconstrued, or misrepresented what she said that this may be a fatal flaw with you. Possibly explains your ambivalence, too. How is that idea weird? Because you've never heard of it before, or because you don't understand it? She did not say that "all religions are good....except Mormonism." What she said was that Joseph Smith is not viewed by them as a Manifestation of God. I have known many Mormons in my life, and view them as very good people. Their community has done immense good in the world. But their doctrine is essentially a derivation of Judaism and Christianity, not a separate religion. The same is true of Seventh Day Adventism and Jehovah's Witnesses. If I disagree with you, that does not mean I see you as bad. Lighten up on the judging.

[@losttribe3001]

@@pathfinder1273 Lighten up on the judging….meh. You’ve judged me right off the get-go so get off your high horse my friend. And I can see from your comment that you truly do not have much experience with Mormonism. If you think the friendly disposition represents what happens behind closed doors and at an organizational level, then I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you. You really should look into the amount of sexual abuse cases, prescription drug abuses, suicides, and pornography watching Mormons do before you try to act like an authority on the subject. I think what makes me laugh the most is that mentioned the Seventh Day Adventist…did you know I was part of their educational system? As a child, we lived in countries outside the US where the only schools that taught in English were religious schools. (I also attended a Roman Catholic Jesuit high school). Because of my travels, I’ve met many people. I also have studied Buddhism, Hinduism and have an extensive knowledge of Norse mythology. So don’t come at me like I don’t understand their positions. You clearly have a lot of preconceived notions coming into this (once again, you’re being judgmental) and you will just look the fool if you go down that path. But I’m willing to put all this aside, start over and have a serious conversation. I do NOT think all religions are a ray of sunshine and that there are so real dangerous ones. For example; I think Wahhabism is a dangerous denomination of Islam. Do you disagree? But what about Christianity? The Lord’s Resistance Army in Africa murders, rapes and tortures people. This is not a ray of sunshine in my book. Do you disagree?

[@pathfinder1273]

@@losttribe3001 Okay, let's have a serious discussion. As a member of the Faith she represents, I know very well what she was presenting. Unfortunately, this episode was one of the shortest ever made from this series, and she was not given near enough time to explain the concept fully. Many guests on this series were given copious amounts of time to explain their theses, but for some reason she was not. And of that brief time, there were several interruptions by the moderator. In the Baha'i view, God reveals His will to humanity from time to time, on the order of 500-1000 years. He does this through certain persons whom we know as Manifestations of God - also called messengers, prophets, what have you. Their objective is to provide humanity with the guidance necessary to foster spiritual development within individuals and to carry forward an ever-advancing civilization. Each of them reveals principles, laws, and counsels appropriate for the capacity of the population. Each one of them also affirms the continuity of this process by referring to earlier prophets and by prophesying of those to come. Each of the movements established has had a profound effect on the history of the world. And each one goes through a similar progression from inception to ascendency to decline, as does everything in this world. There is no way of knowing how many such revelations have appeared through mankind's history, as the written record only goes back on the order of 10,000 years. During that time, there are several which are now referred to as "world religions"; those are the ones Ms. Meehan was referencing. They include Adam, Noah, Krishna, Abraham, Moses, Zoroaster, Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, and Baha'u'llah. There were probably more, but the evidence is not clear for others. Each of them were typified by three characteristics: they were transcendent figures who commanded respect among their people, even their enemies; they revealed a book or books that were exceptional and have withstood the ages; and they founded a great civilization. Ms. Meehan likened them to the grades of school. All of the teachers in a school possess the same knowledge, but each teaches according to the capacity of the students. So we can't say that the grade 12 teacher is better than the others because he teaches a higher level of knowledge - they each have that knowledge, but their purpose is the education of the students, not their own glorification. There would be no advantage to any student to decide at a certain level that he is happy with that particular teacher or his lessons, and refuse to go on to the subsequent grades. The goal is that every student would acquire education to his full potential. The situation that arose concerning Joseph Smith is that this process does not acknowledge sects or schisms as separate religions. The word religion comes from the Latin root which means to bind together, and one of the stated goals of religion is to create community. Each of the prophets nominated a successor in order to maintain the unity of the movement, but people invariably gave into jealousy and a desire for power. Hence, although Peter was named the rock upon which Christ's community would be built, Paul quickly gained prominence and many chose to follow him. Likewise, Islam divided into Sunni and Shi'ih when Umar challenged Ali as Muhammad's successor. Today, the process has become like a cancer, with several thousand different denominations who all claim to love the same prophet and the same book, but rather than building on commonality they go to war over differences. Moreover, as this process is progressive and continuous, there is the expectation that each religion will recognize and accept the newest manifestation. This has seldom been the case, most tragically in the case of the biblical faiths. Although the prophets of Israel gave extensive prophesies concerning the coming of the Messiah, and the Jewish people longed for his appearance, they rejected him and caused him to be put to death. Consequently, every one of these religions persists to the present day, denying each new Faith and perpetuating a life of dogma and ritual that reflects realities that died out eons ago. Most of them accept, or at least tolerate, the previous faith, but never the later ones. So the Christians identify with Judaism but reject Islam. The Muslims accept those two, but detest the Baha'is. Lastly, we may question God for designing such an imperfect system. But the problem is not with God, it is with those for whom He designed it - humanity. Given the nature of mankind, we probably couldn't have expected any other result. I think the potential was there for it to have worked out well, because He provided us with everything we needed to make it work. But He also gave us free will, which may be both the greatest gift and the greatest curse. And even in this advanced, enlightened world of ours, we still use that will to blame the creator and his educators, and not the ones who actually chose to undermine it all.

[@losttribe3001]

@@pathfinder1273 Honestly, this conversation got really boring, real quick and I have better arguments being made elsewhere. That was such a long winded bunch of nothing and didn’t answer my questions! Is Wahhabism and the Lord’s Resistance Army a ray of sunshine? Simple yes or no question…instead I get you going of on tangents and nonsense. So good luck to you, but I’m moving on.

[@pathfinder1273]

@@losttribe3001 So much for serious discussion. You talk the talk, but can't walk the walk. Your question was answered, if you only had the ability to read and comprehend. So, yeah, please move on, you're good at that.

[@Raabana1]

The world is egg shaped 😂. Nope you've been hudwinked luv

[@skyeangelofdeath7363]

The second woman to speak, the evangelical Christian in pink. As I listen to her, my eyes drift to a black woman visible over her right shoulder [to the left from the video perspective]. The expressions on her her face as the nonsense pours out of the evangelical woman's mouth........priceless!! Pure gold. I can almost read her mind as she is thinking ""what a bunch of crap"".

[@leanidis300]

One God and there are many roads that can lead to him.

[@MarlboroughBlenheim1]

Faith just means belief without evidence. It’s pathetic.

[@pathfinder1273]

That is your definition, it does not apply to everyone. "Faith is, first, conscious knowledge, followed by stainless deeds". Obviously yours is not the only one.

[@MarlboroughBlenheim1]

@@pathfinder1273 “conscious knowledge” is evidence. If you have knowledge / evidence you don’t need faith. Faith can’t be knowledge then. Try again.

[@mzenji]

I argued with my Physics professor for 3 straight hours telling him that time-travel was possible, and he came up with all sorts of equations to "prove" me wrong . I had no response for him, so I sent him this video and he called me back 10 minutes later and said..... "Wow, you were right all along! ......I just got back from the 10th Century!"

[@Tonytrekdax]

mzenji ... LOLOLOL

[@elijahgavin6706]

Fantastic!

[@ella4012]

😂😂

[@nd4687]

Your Physics prof is an idiot for not think time-travel possible. Why are you taken his class?

[@ramicollo]

Are next week's lottery numbers in the koran too?

[@phill633vgs]

How can the BBC make the word “No” last over 18 mins?

[@nonofyabidnez5737]

Haha when he asked the question about Joseph Smith. So not all religions after all huh?? ^^

[@rachnasingh3991]

She, for sure hasn't read any book on Sanatan Dharma, before converting.

[@nitinpandey6037]

Cos it's all bollocks

[@devolishash3946]

The muslim lady lies a lot saying that muslims did not say the earth is flat. I know a lot of muslims who used to say we came from adam and eve, and not from monkeys. Now, as proofs for evolution is becoming stonger they start to lie and say islam is not against science and they believe in evoultion !!!

[@zoopertrip]

Anyone notice Anthony Soprano Jr behind the Sussex Vicar?

[@peterbartley9155]

Kate a very nice speaker and prepared to point out bs of religion

[@catweasle5737]

And we didn't hear from Milo sitting in the front row. What a pity. He would have added some colour to the conversation.

[@kumarprakhar1517]

Catweasle damn right

[@jamieholmes5443]

I was waiting for that to!

[@Patrick77487]

"religions bring out the best we can be...." Hogwash!

[@pathfinder1273]

Do you have something to say, or do you just like scoffing?

[@patricksikhrangkur8814]

That woman's face as she listened to the Muslim convert explaining that she left Christianity because she found the proof insufficient. Oh my god.

[@fergusdenoon1255]

All religions come from one source... human imagination.

[@willievanstraaten1960]

Good answer.

[@XiagraBalls]

Great display of woolly thinking, cherry picking and glossing over uncomfortable facts from the theists here.

[@pth6060]

What a useless debate.

[@chigozieagwuncha2166]

7:56 "Look into it... With a scientific approach." The irony 😂 😂 😂 😂

[@pathfinder1273]

Not at all. The Baha'i Faith is quite scientific in its method. If, instead of just scoffing, you would be interested in discussing, let me know.

[@chigozieagwuncha2166]

@@pathfinder1273 My brother. With all due respect, I didn't leave one organization to join another. But hey... To each his own

[@pathfinder1273]

@@chigozieagwuncha2166 ??? Who said anything about joining another organization? If you are not open-minded enough to explore ideas, why did you have to denigrate it in the first place?

[@FactStorm]

@@pathfinder1273 Typical delusional religious person. Your monotheistic abrahamic cult isn't any better

[@BedsitBob]

1:45 He left out the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[@inarko]

Kate is not a Humanist. Humanists are for the equal values of men and women; not for female superiority as she is.

[@benthejrporter]

+inarko She gets taken to task in the debate following this one 8-)

[@mkely9032]

She is not saying that, you are showing your abrahamic bias against women.

[@Scyllax]

They are all wrong.

[@paullafemina8260]

M. Hall some seem to be more crazy than others. Is an angel talking to you in a cave, islam more crazy than the angel Moroni or the angel Gabriel telling Mary she was going to give birth to Jesus. Common factor angels

[@Scyllax]

All religions are wrong They are impossible. The supernatural cannot exist.

[@chickadeeacres3864]

I always felt that all religions have a few things in common and those parts are the truth

[@TheFloozi]

Alan Davis on the thumbnail!

[@Benth3rdoneth4t]

I'm the 666th viewer.... IRONYYYYYYYYYY!!!

[@benthejrporter]

Is Tr3Vel0cita back?... YES! Next question ;-)

[@akilles9722]

that lady is wrong @ 13:45 “He has let loose the two seas (the salt water and the sweet) meeting together. Between them is a barrier which none of them can transgress” [ar-Rahmaan 55:19-20]

[@TheaterRaven]

Hi, reader. Don't bother with the comments section. 98% of it is posts from atheists who think they're being SO original and cool with their bitchy remarks.

[@patrickparker8417]

Oh yes .

[@patrickparker8417]

Well a lot of it is second and third hand information , and for those that do" know " quite about the bible through study use it just to attack believers , that said believers need to study the bible a lot more through reading and listening to good pastors and things relating to it , " Always be ready with an answer " .

[@TheaterRaven]

Anyone can study any number of religions and learn a lot about them; that's not a thing unique to atheists. Also, I was referring in my original post to trolls, atheists who are spamming the comments section with, "Man, religion is dumb and archaic and we atheists are SO much smarter for being atheists!"

[@patrickparker8417]

Your one deluded individual , you have chosen to believe in the fairy tale of evolution , well its your soul I suppose .

[@patrickparker8417]

That is exactly what it is .

[@nathanmckenzie904]

By definition they cant all be right, but they can definitely all be wrong

[@UrbanGardeningDIY]

Once you are freed from religion, you'll find all these religious people ridiculous.

[@willievanstraaten1960]

That is true, I was there.

[@zaidsserubogo261]

Most famous an answered question in the history of theosophical civilisation

[@hilarylazard7554]

Is Smurthwaite from Gormenghast?!

[@Malt454]

As the second woman speaking pointed out, whether or not the claims of Christianity or any other religion are correct, they really can't be resolved with the claims of many other religions. It's not a question of who, if anyone, is right, only that, no, not all can be right. Saying that religions ask many of the same questions and that one can learn various things from their answers doesn't resolve this issue.

[@sergiootero5904]

How can that lady say that Joseph Smith isn't a real prophet? What differentiates him from Jesus or Moo-ham-mad?

[@geezzerboy]

Was Joseph Smith a messenger from god? How about L Ron Hubbard? How about Jim Jones?

[@JurassicPlank]

Certainly all right about one thing!