Should humanists have equal rights to religions?

[@fruuitloupp7574]

The black guy saying "they try to force humanism down our throats!" - oh, if irony could kill!

[@stephanwilliams8082]

True, the black fellow didn't seem to fit in with anyone. Even the religious folk there were embarrassed for him. (Adam and Eve.) Would you adam and eve it?

[@TheAlmightyPillock]

+Stephan Williams If it were America the audience would have applauded him a=then tried to vote him in as Governor.

[@BidnessGoose]

+Fruuit Loupp some might say it would choke to death. ehh ehhh! =D

[@jezbeedz276]

He should be locked up spouting off such slander, why do we have to label 'humanism', to me it should be ... People with common sense and believe in secularism. This country is a mess (shake my damn head).

[@stephanwilliams8082]

***** ... my thoughts exactly. The man is a disgrace to his peoples.

[@gratefulapostate3123]

This black guy really illustrates the divisive, dangerous, nature, of religious beliefs. He doesn't have a position that he has applied any thought to, at all, but he literally demonizes anyone that doesn't share his dillusions.

[@mathewwalentowicz3081]

Profiled Person brainwashing

[@frankright4454]

It's so sad.

[@petersisler1398]

God separates the sheep from the goats too. Everyone is divisive.

[@Odinsson90]

It's called brainwashed christians..

[@Odinsson90]

@Steve So you are saying you are just as stupid as the black guy?

[@dogless10]

At 12:30, kudos to rabbi Jonathan for admitting that freedom of speech was never valued by religion until humanists began to demand it!

[@milpog]

Absolutely. I thought he stole the show with that. Truth be told, I thought the intelligent minds on that program did a rather lackluster performance of advocating for humanism, but perhaps they simply weren't psychologically prepared for the strident nature of the opposition. Maajid was pretty good tho talking about insecurity. His secularism and humanism rings all the louder in today's still religious-majority world, due to the fact that he calls himself Muslim. Although, in just what sense he is a Muslim rather than a deist (which is basically a rookie atheist), I am still struggling to discern. Lol. :)

[@terrypussypower]

Christopher Zamonska-Blake Nawaz is what I would call a Muslim in a purely cultural sense. In the same way a Western atheist is informed culturally by Christianity.

[@milpog]

terrypussypower well, it's not really the same though, since he considers himself Muslim. He must believe in God in some sort of way.

[@milpog]

***** judaism is the only religion which allows you to be an atheist. Any other religion, you can't be more than a deist without becoming closeted. And let's be real: some religions are shittier than others. Right now, Islam is the shittiest.

[@milpog]

False equivalence time folks...... the fact that anyone can claim one religion as their own without fully subscribing to it's tenants is dangerously irrelevant. What matters is the average correlation, as represented by a statistic, between membership in any given religion and that person committing crimes sanctioned in said religion. If by 'but yet not believe', you are claiming that a Muslim or a Christian can call themself Muslim or Christian while not believing that God exists, you're technically correct. That person would, however, be an atheist by definition, and a lying, worthless excuse for a human. They be not be religious. They would be acting religious. Key difference. 'but they are all horseshit' ???? Sounds very much like you just concluded that comment with the intention of implying that Islam isn't significantly more dangerous than it's secularised sister religions, or that there might be some other religion that we need to focus on just as much. Or almost as much. I hope I'm wrong about that, because I'm very tired of double standards and moral blindness....

[@gamesarki1167]

"Humanism is the cancer of Thanksgiving" ... I'm done.

[@zemoxian]

Gamesarki I was hoping for an explanation of that curious statement. What was that supposed to mean?

[@malcolmhodnett8874]

Just what it means (which is what he said)! It’s so clear that only demons could pretend not to understand lmao Gob bless

[@zemoxian]

Malcolm Hodnett So, you’re calling me a demon? That’s a first!

[@malcolmhodnett8874]

Jamal Wills there’s a first time for all, you wanton seed of Lucifer’s nutsack

[@zemoxian]

Malcolm Hodnett LOL

[@32shumble]

The guy at the start is about the sanest-sounding insane person I ever seen

[@fluentblasphemy9138]

32shumble I hope you're being sarcastic, because otherwise you're being irrational.

[@32shumble]

Fluent Blasphemy No, you are being irrational because you have left out the obvious third option that I was not being sarcastic or irrational. The guy's beliefs are bat-shit insane yet he was well-spoken and calm.

[@TheCoffeeNut711]

32shumble ha, you've obviously never heard of Ben Carson.

[@SteampunkHeretic]

32shumble I'm genuinely glad I wasn't on this episode, and didn't have to respond to that. I wouldn't even know where the hell to start. It was just the mother-load of false premises.

[@32shumble]

Caradog V Religion is the most successful and long lasting con trick in human history. It's the biggest lie that has ever been told.

[@leklektan1358]

this black man and woman should travel beyond England to understand the world. Chinese has been for thousands of year getting married without an agent of God. .open their eye and mind..

[@andrewrcmadwilkinson6999]

EXACTLY

[@gman4074]

Religion thriving there underground. Plus the Buddhist.

[@Dr.YehudaBenNachmanFriedburg]

Satanic

[@horatiotodd8723]

They were polygamous and sex slavery was seen as ok and extremely wide spread

[@AI-tc8fv]

Its tragically ironic that black africans champion Christianity today

[@London_miss234]

Alade Ogun Christianity in Africa started in in the first century.

[@StuartTheGamerNerd]

Alade Ogun inadvertently promoting their own slavery so they have something else left to complain about xD

[@kfjdsoihf8452]

The same goes with islam. Many slave traders in Africa were muslims. I think Blacks should go back to their roots, the roots of their ancestors before monotheistic fanatics came along.

[@frymangaloremk2959]

Mohammad had black slaves... I think that would be a worse choice haha

[@deskelly9313]

@@frymangaloremk2959 So did Abraham Lincoln

[@cabralesmj5]

The religious people were so impolite. Speaking over everyone else as if they had a divine right to speak above others.

[@denisdaly1708]

Exsel they were dogmatic. And that's what dogmatic people do. They find any view different to their own insufferable and so act aggressively.

[@6MikeJones9]

Tolerance and patience for opposing views are not well known traits of religious extremists. Christian fundamentalists are only a few hundred years departed from literally killing people for speaking against God. Muslims still havent made it out of that stage, granted it is a younger religion.

[@toniokettner4821]

that delusion is called christian arrogance

[@cabralesmj5]

@Gary Fletcher God is my bitch. 𖤐

[@georgejob7544]

Religious bullies,ramming their fantasies down everybody's throat! I,m a Humanist. I don't believe in hobgoblins, fairies or spirits who guide us! I believe in the rationalism of free thought, I was raised in Scotland whose religious history is coated in blood! I don't care what others believe! That is their right,it's my right to believe in logic, scientific knowledge and experience! It's abhorrent to me to have some religious bully force feed me their imaginary deities! That is indoctrination which I detest !

[@morrossey]

the crazy christian dude seems to have landed here from the middle ages. he seems genuinely baffled by other world views

[@ljb9983]

And yet... welcome to the future. It's all downhill from here on in.

[@pink_alligator]

or just a more secluded part of africa (not secluded enough for those evangelist missionaries tho sadly) I'm sorry but you don't have to go too the middle ages to find these people, evidently

[@Scodouk]

@Alec Neate Or the result of colonialsim.

[@georgeharper972]

Funny, he doesn't sound Amurkin!

[@alandgomez5905]

Um, this kind of thing is pretty common in the US. Most of us aren't like this but it's common enough to not illicit immediate laughter.

[@yevrahhipstar3902]

I've been a humanist for years and I'm yet to find that sea of debauchery....

[@avedic]

+Yevrah Hipstar It sounds wonderful. I *_wish_* it existed....

[@markharrison6498]

+Yevrah Hipstar Let me know when you do

[@yevrahhipstar3902]

+Mark Harrison Sure thing bud....one-handed hedonism is really boring :D

[@markharrison6498]

haha

[@Paxaboll]

Come on over to my house! Debauchery and licentiousness abound!

[@jordanede2858]

My rights outweigh belief in fairy tales.

[@sunnyhomze4288]

Jordan Ede So on what basis do you have these rights on Atheism?

[@drew2fast489]

Who says?

[@liamconnolly5021]

drew2 fast any relatively sane person.

[@hiphopismydrug1]

even if there was a god, how the hell would humans know what he wanted?

[@JP-re3zg]

+Rap Goth Wow you've read my mind. Assuming God WAS real and he wanted us to practice some religion that died away three thousand years ago and now he's just mad like all the time which is why the world sucks this hard.

[@jayd4ever]

+Rap Goth because he communicated with people

[@jayd4ever]

Frantz Felix whats crazy about that

[@rembrandt972ify]

+Baji Scipio Dārayav Aurelius “Hemu Rawal Domitian” Julian Venizelos Nalwa Considering all the wildly conflicting claims that religious scriptures make, it is batshit crazy to think that anyone can discern between what came from a god and what people pretending to speak for a god just made up. Since there is no evidence for any god, the only rational conclusion is they all just made it up.

[@jayd4ever]

Rembrandt972 there is evidence for god but if you are asking for god to come to you then that has probably not happened and all religious scriptures are not same

[@James-ye7rp]

Actually, marriage was originally a civic union. It was later usurped as a theist rite.

[@Cabsterman]

Marriage in the legal sense or cultural sense?

[@fredarroyo7429]

Lies, where is the way evidence

[@jimlewis4389]

Here we are: www.livescience.com/37777-history-of-marriage.html

[@taiwowatson]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHiolKOFqc-sm9U

[@garyconyers-davies5781]

@@taiwowatson what does that silly, dishonest clip have to do with the evidence provided that marriage was not "from God" in any sense? Are you just spamming this silly, dishonest clip because you have no argument of your own?

[@MultiKonrad100]

Why would God create a devil if the devil could threaten the throne. If God can`t control the Devil, that means he`s not all powerful.

[@jordanclark4635]

-Devil's called lucifer -Lucy is the short version of lucifer -I know some absolutely stunning Lucy's Does this mean the Devils hot? Can I bang the devil?

[@jayd4ever]

+MultiKonrad100 he didn't create the devil he created angels one of which became the devil and it is said that god will kill the devil through justice in the future

[@mduduzinkala5729]

+Baji Scipio Dārayav Aurelius “Hemu Rawal Domitian” Julian Venizelos Nalwa How long will "the future" take to arrive? 10 seconds, 1000 years, ten trillion years, eternity? If he's as powerful as he is said to be then he surely would have predicted the future and known the character Lucifer would become.

[@jayd4ever]

xamarmm he knew but he gave free will and will punish him in the future

[@jayd4ever]

Frantz Felix yes and he will kill the devil in the future and god doesn't kill babies that is responsibility of humans helping other humans and the government of the place

[@c.m.9369]

First guy starts talking. "Humanist weddings are demonic." Room starts giggeling. "Humanism is the cancer of Thanksgiving." Room starts laughing out loud. Yeah... glad to see that these stupid statements get greeded with exactly the reactions it deserves. You have the right to hold these ideas. You don't have the right to have them automatically be taken serious, just by default.

[@helpfulhazz5588]

1:14 That guy's expression speaks for everyone listening. Also, I like how that guy keeps claiming that marriage comes from God and the Bible. Not only does marriage predate all religion, but I'm not sure that anyone would want Biblical marriage, considering that it is polygamous. Furthermore, there are all sorts of appalling marriage laws in the Bible. Adultery is punishable by death, and any woman who is not a virgin at her wedding must be stoned to death (Deuteronomy 22:20-22). Unmarried rape victims are considered damaged goods (because in the Bible, women are property), and so they must be sold to their rapist in marriage (Deut 22:28-29). However, married women who are raped must be stoned to death alongside their rapists (Deut 22:23-24). Are these laws that those people would like to see instituted? Finally, I can't help but notice that both of the people objecting to humanist rights appear to be of African descent, and one of them is a woman. Those are both groups that have known significant persecution, subjugation, and even slavery for much of recent history and beyond. So when that guy said "marriage is not for you", it is incredibly ironic considering that in centuries past, I could say right back to him, "freedom and equality are not for you."

[@kevinjohnanand]

Douglas Murray! He's an excellent speaker, but his expression made me laugh.

[@SuperMakoma]

I think it is very dangerous and ignorant to use the Bible to support your argument by taking it out of context.

[@TrueFITBootcamps]

I feel so bad for the young gentleman on the left end. He clearly does not understand the science of evolution or history of the bible. His argument is childish.

[@jayd4ever]

+Chris Naden it doesn't seem he believes in evolution I don't know about bible

[@leewhite344]

He called the Bible a historical document lmao

[@ThirsttyRecon]

Its sad because hes so far brainwashed it all seems so real to him (The biblical nonsense hes been fed)

[@Evaese]

the guy wouldnt know left from right

[@taiwowatson]

There are more evidence for the existence of Jesus the main character of the Bible than there is any other historical figure in any century. That's a fact. This know it all attitude of atheist is one of the many reasons the God of the Bible called the wisdom of the wisest of man foolishness.

[@7timeless]

Shame Majid Nawaz got cut off there at the end, he was going to town on them...

[@snuffywuffykiss1522]

The nerdy guy in the yellow jacket at the end had the best quote. "When you turn on your TV and you see the news about an act of violence you know it's not a secularist doing it."

[@TheHighTenor]

How do you "know" that? Are you in that person's head to know his worldview?

[@steven-el3sw]

Antifa called... They want their stupidity back.

[@snuffywuffykiss1522]

@@steven-el3sw So I am kinda old. And I admit I don't get it... BUT... When did being anti-fascism (AKA against Nazis...) Become a bad thing? Much less an insult? Are you saying that I am dumb for being against Nazis? Where exactly am I being insulted by you proclaiming your fascism? Am I supposed to be insulted when you say I am against you... and you identify yourself as a Nazi? Nah. I think I will take pride in whatever label a nazi wants to try to pin on me... My advise to you... Go be like the guy that killed Hitler...

[@jamiegauci184]

Hahaha, it's so great that you referred to Douglas Murray as that nerdy guy in the yellow jacket

[@snuffywuffykiss1522]

@@jamiegauci184 Thanks for the reference. And I obviously do not know what this persons views are. only agreeing with one quote.

[@jackthebassman1]

I am full of admiration for Nicky Campbell for keeping a straight face at the drivel espoused by the religious nutcases.

[@jayd4ever]

+Jack bassman he is agnostic I think and he sometimes he agrees with modern humanists secularist

[@stephenhall6595]

No Nutcase like a Religious Nutcase.

[@sunnyhomze4288]

Stephen Hall Yet 90% of the world believe in God. So some how the world is functioning properly with only 10% of rational people? You Atheists pull your logic out your asses for real.

[@SaifuddinMerchant]

@Sunny Explains why the world is such a mess doesn't it :)

[@jamesgarcia7034]

@@sunnyhomze4288 ...functioning properly? Wow...

[@NightwatchRebel]

Like he denied evolution, I wil deny the existence of this video. I will not be able to carry on with my life if this man is actually legit.

[@thefinn12345]

I kinda liked it when he disagreed with the poll, and the other guy is all like "you cannot disagree with a poll, it's just facts"

[@Bobalicious]

An interesting conversation with a group of very reasonable people and two christians.

[@Ozone280]

It's always those with religion that do the interrupting and won't let others speak

[@matthewmayhem9213]

Also feminists. Kate is there, hence why the argument became dumber.

[@Teeb2023]

@@matthewmayhem9213 Really? I don't remember her butting-in at all. In fact, she only spoke when asked her opinion. Axe to grind much?

[@Heathen.Deity.]

When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression. Theists - especially Christians - need to get over their self-perceived persecution complexes.

[@jpats6124]

The kindest people here are the humanists. Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, both individually and collectively. Religious doctrine does not. Religious doctrine puts more emphasis on obeying rather ridiculous dictates, rules and doctrines, made by some supposedly omnipotent being that nobody has ever seen or has ever produced any evidence for. How utterly, mindbogglingly stupid.

[@jayd4ever]

+Julie Paterson no they are they are some of worst but in reality there are bad people in both

[@anahim6500]

Baji Scipio Dārayav Aurelius Julian Venizelos Nalwa I don’t agree with your first statement but I do agree that there are bad people on both sides. Although, in my opinion I think there are more bad people on the religious side. (Key word here is “I think”)

[@MrDoodlewatson]

@@jayd4ever Would you like to go through stats of the demographics of religious people and humanists who are in prison for violent crimes? You probably shouldn't if you want to hold on to your delusion.

[@DiamandaHagan]

Okay the guy at the start is completely crazy but saying 'Lucifier- whose name is The Devil' is just sillllllllllly.

[@avedic]

No kidding. I felt bad for him just watching this. Doesn't he realize how *_crrrazy_* that comes across? He doesn't seem to be aware of it. Religion is starting to look more and more ridiculous the further into the future society evolves. It really is becoming on par with saying out loud that you believe Elvis is still alive...in your basement.

[@julesfreis6813]

At first I thought he was trolling them. "Humanism is the cancer of Thanksgiving" just seemed too random.

[@MrAgnosticman]

This is gold! Humanism is the anal seepage of birthday parties. Hilarity at its finest

[@M3Lucky]

Jules Freis lmao I was like wtf? This guy can't be serious...but he is *cringe*

[@oliverhug3]

And of course one of the `` four horsemen `` Hitler , Stalin , Mao , Pot had to be mentioned as well

[@LRC92]

Some people just don't belong in this century.

[@darkenergy8318]

LRC E.g : Black Christian Guy .

[@RAIRADIO]

Some religions.

[@BedsitBob]

2:39 "Humanism is the first class ticket, to the very hypersexualised culture, that we're seeing." Remind me again, which organisation has, for decades, covered up, the sexual abuse of children, by its own members?

[@goddessmelanisia]

Marriage is NOT a religious institution. It is celebrated in a religious manner many times, but it is a legal contract.

[@lugano1999]

"When you turn on the TV and hear about an act of violence, you know it's not going to be a humanist." Brilliant!!!

[@georgejob7544]

Northern Ireland, Catholic/ Protestant! Jews/ Arabs, Muslims/ Hindi.. Buddhist/ Muslims... What is the thread that runs through??? Religions and strife ! Show when if ever Humanist society ever caused conflict or wars! Religions are but superstitions based on fear,it's how they control,until humanity can realise and believe in rationality and cast out beliefs in the incommensurable,we will evolve into a better species !

[@realveral5383]

​@@georgejob7544 dude it's sarcasm

[@JacSull24]

The origins of humanism are in science and reason.

[@jayd4ever]

+Jac Sull no more to attack religion and god

[@drew2fast489]

Humanism is neither science or reason. It's a philosophy. Nothing more.

[@alvinman8]

Jac Sull and what do you mean by that please I need learn and understand where you are going?

[@lonestarwolfentertainment7184]

The origin of Humanism is within the Human Instinct, it's natural for us to want to cherish and place our species before others as well as want to try to and benefit our species as much as possible

[@yashagar4443]

drew2 fast just fuck off!!!

[@unlimitedpotential24.7]

Wow. The human race is extremely intellectually diverse. The amount of ignorance and bizarre thought patterns are astounding beyond any recognition. Thankfully, the amount of knowledge accumulated, science-progress, technological advancements, that have happened over the last say 800 years or so, has given humanity hope for future generations. These very discussions were nearly impossible to have 500 or even 200 years ago, especially in a public forum, so it's nice to be able to do so. In order to advance humanity, we've got to advance the bottom of the spectrum, and thankfully that's now happening.

[@Jamieishere1]

Bible scholars widely agree that Genesis was constructed between 330 and 540 BC (J. Blenkinsopp & J. Barton, 1998, The Cambridge Companion to Biblical Interpretation, Cambridge University Press, page 184). This is massively pre-dated by the Code of Ur-Nammu, constructed around 2100 BC, which is the oldest law code that regulates marriage (J. Finkelstein, 1966, Journal of the American Oriental Society, 86(4), 355-372).

[@beezusHrist]

Stolen...

[@tsjasmine28]

Also, parts of genesis were taken from older religious texts like the Enuma Elish and the Epic of Gilgamesh, in some cases word for word.

[@jimijoejoe7578]

Be Enlightened Abrahamic religions are basically all spawn form the same initial concept, they just appear to be different translations and interpretations. These in themselves evolved from polytheistic religions. Just look at the Pantheon in Rome. It still has evidence of multiple deity worship which then became solely Christian when the Roman Catholic church became prevalent. They're all as deluded as each other. Shame

[@jayd4ever]

+Jasmine blake that is what some people think because of the similarity

[@richo61]

Spot the crazy people! Also Majjid Nawaz - he is one cool dude!

[@Yoctopory]

Sorry to inform you Taiwo Adewuyi, but you are on the wrong side of history.

[@akindelebankole8080]

The black guy makes me ashamed as a black person myself. The first one to speak on this clip. The insult that non believers and/or non adherents have to endure from fundamentalist believers deserve a well written rebuttal in the form of grave insult, deep mockery and emotionally altering blow to the senses of the ideologue

[@pansysthename]

Don't feel shame for his actions. He doesn't represent you or your people, he is attempting to represent an ideology. Furthermore, an individuals biology should not hold weight with the subject matter. We all have opinions on various topics whether they are political or sociological. How you represent yourself should be reflected in your ethical values and actions as a human being. Regardless of your feelings, the fact that you show concern over the actions of others means you have awareness of the impact it has on other and that's empathic. You're on the right path :) ✌️

[@M3Lucky]

lmao Douglas's face pretty much sums up everybody's reaction at 1:13 XD Seriously, that pastor was presenting himself like a parody of pastors..but he was being legit,,

[@Logictrumpssuperstition]

I am an atheist and have been to many hindu, muslim, christian, a couple of zorastrian and one jewish wedding, I would never not go to any wedding because that day is not about me its about two people in love. Suck it up people

[@jayd4ever]

+Shyam Vora what are you

[@Logictrumpssuperstition]

Baji Scipio Dārayav Aurelius Julian Venizelos Nalwa A decent human being

[@jayd4ever]

Shyam Vora I meant your country

[@yashagar4443]

Baji Scipio Dārayav Aurelius Julian Venizelos Nalwa Indian.

[@BedsitBob]

1:38 "The issue with Humanism is, that it tries to knock god of the throne." How can a Humanist try to knock something they don't believe in, off a throne?

[@Heathen.Deity.]

Exactly. What throne and what god? I’ve seen absolutely no evidence of either.

[@jeff61177]

Sure freedom of speech....but don't we also have the freedom to laugh at someone saying something completely ridiculous based on nothing but statements. no proof, no demonstration, nothing but laughable statements?

[@thedarknessthatcomesbefore4279]

Absolutely 👌

[@rustkarl]

Freedom of speech also means freedom to be mocked and criticised. Freedom of speech is freedom from censor not censure.

[@shivani4279]

Listening to religious people speak is like listening to 5 year olds.

[@vizardstorm]

what was the name of the comedian who talked first?

[@steveschatz6256]

vizardstorm you want his stage name or slave name?

[@aiyakapteya]

The rabbi speaking at 12:20 sounds pretty together, though. "Freedom of speech was never a religious value. We've had to learn it from the secular world." Sounds about right.

[@jayd4ever]

+aiyakapteya you can be religious secular the true meaning not modern secularism and he is wrong you were always allowed to give your views especially in Christianity

[@aiyakapteya]

Baji Scipio Dārayav Aurelius Julian Venizelos Nalwa"Always allowed to give your view, especially in Christianity"? Hehe. You must be joking, right? :-)

[@jayd4ever]

aiyakapteya Christians always use to discuss difference of theology and practice

[@aiyakapteya]

Baji Scipio Dārayav Aurelius Julian Venizelos Nalwa Sure they did. And anybody who disagreed could count on being excommunicated or worse. Do you seriously have no understanding of history and the terrible things Christians did to *each other* (let alone to non-Christians)? Intra-religious intolerance and violence has featured in all of the world's major religions. Sure, these days people are a lot more free to share their opinions, even if these dissent from the standard doctrines of their churches. The point of what this Rabbi said is that it wasn't always so. And he's right. I don't know what you mean by 'you can be religious secular'. Secular means not religious, not bound by religious rules or related to religious matters. So I don't really know what you're trying to say there.

[@jayd4ever]

aiyakapteya yes excommunicated because they were minority views and were trying to divide the church and intra religious intolerance has not been all religions it has only been by some Christians to Jews more so between Christians and Muslims and secular doesn't mean not religious it just means that state doesn't support one religion over another and allows freedom of worship so I mean you can be supporter of secular but have your own personal religious belief

[@avedic]

Douglas Murray was *_so_* dead-on accurate. Secularism and (the _ongoing_ struggle for)freedom and the scientific enlightenment is *_the best_* thing that ever happened to humanity. It's *_absurd_* to have to defend it against people who think saying or drawing certain things makes a revenge killing not only likely, but worth carrying out. That's *_backwards violent and insane_*. Yes, there are MANY aspects of modern society that are insane and violent too; but *_so is_* Islam. Islam is an idea; *_all_* ideas can, and in a free society, _should_ be openly *_and rigorously_* debated. Satire is a big part of that debate. It amazes me that people can't see how *_important_* that is.

[@Neji.Hyuuga]

The scientific enlightenment was due to Muslims following Islam and this is a fact confirmed by many non-Muslim historians. The scientific method itself was invented by a Muslim( Hassan Ibn Haitham) so your babble has bi substance since Atheists have a very poor contribution to science.

[@robertlight5227]

Adam and Eve weren't even married!

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

or even existed

[@taiwowatson]

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[@garyconyers-davies5781]

@@taiwowatson what does that silly, dishonest clip have to do with marriage not being "from God" in any sense? Are you just spamming this silly, dishonest clip because you have no argument of your own?

[@taiwowatson]

@@garyconyers-davies5781 I can't make you believe, you could even dismiss my reality as some fiction or whatever. But Jesus said He is at the door always knocking if you let Him in He will reveal who He is to you.

[@garyconyers-davies5781]

@@taiwowatson So, nothing to do with marriage being from god. Thought so.

[@MartinKirbits]

watching these kind of people makes me appreciate the fact that i was born in a country where atheism THE thing. i didnt know that discrimination towards atheist was a thing until recently. you basically get punished for being reasonable.

[@RufaelSolo]

Punished for being reasonable? We get killed in here for being resonable. Public execution style!. Apostles are killed instantly.

[@MsSandhu9]

Rufael Solo I think you meant to say 'apostates are killed instantly'.... :) I admire your courage to think independently & with reason under such pressure & threat. Do you belong to a Muslim family? And are you open within your family about your current beliefs (I assuming its atheism, agnosticism or humanism)?

[@fluentblasphemy9138]

Martin Kirbits What country are you from? I live in the US, apparently most people here are scared of the empty threats and hooked on the matching promises of a certain ancient tribal blood-sacrifice religion and it's associated texts. I'd be interested to pick the brain of someone who was never culturally subjected to such a coercive influence on their thoughts.

[@MartinKirbits]

Fluent Blasphemy​ Estonia. Its not the least religious country but i think there was a study that showed that we are the number one country where religion doesnt have play a big role in our daily lives. Even for people who identify as religious it isnt that significant part of their identity. And alot of religious people where are russian. And because many parents are either non-religious or those who are religious dont really care enough to feed that bullshit to their children, most young people are either atheist or are undecided because they havent researched the topic that much. All my friend are atheist. Even if some are religious or have other supernatural beliefs then they dont talk about these thong and it is their personal thing. I have encountered only two people who started talking to me about god and they where both from the US. I discovered the bullshit that goes with religion lately. All my life i lived in a buble because all the hardcore christians here are nice people who focus on good thing like pacifism and love and stuff. And though we seleprate christmas and easter atleast in my family we never talked about the religios side of it. They were just awsome traditions.

[@MaggaraMarine]

Martin Kirbits I live in Finland and it's very similar here (I guess it applies to most European countries, especially Scandinavia). We don't have a lot of fundamentalists, and the church is pretty liberal. All Christians that I know don't make a big deal out of their Christianity. Actually, nobody cares if you are Christian or atheist or whatever. We really don't talk that much about religion. It is taught in school and we also learn about other religions (and there are different classes for members of different religions that all mainly focus on their own religion). At least our religion classes weren't that religious. I mean, they mostly focused on describing what happened in the stories in the Bible. We didn't pray or sing hymns or anything like that. We were just taught what the Christian religion is about, and later we also learned about other religions and their basic teachings. I think it would be interesting if the same religion classes were for everybody, and they would teach about different religions (and also people that don't have a religion), and there could be some discussion about some philosophical questions. People from different religious backgrounds would have different kind of views and it would make people understand each other a lot better. All Christians that I know are able to think rationally, and believe in science and evolution. They are normal people who just happen to believe in God. I have a very positive view of our church. But if it was anything like in America, my opinion would be pretty different. I think it's good to remember that fundamentalists don't really represent a religion. Fundamentalists are always a minority (but they are a very loud minority, because they disagree with pretty much everything). You shouldn't base your views of a religion on fundamentalists. I also found out about all the crazy religious stuff more recently (well, let's say five years ago, pretty much at the same time when I started questioning Christianity). I thought all Christians were like the ones I knew, but I was wrong.

[@craze1701]

I have to laugh whenever I hear someone claim that marriage is a religious institution. What they don't realize is that Abraham was already married when the OT was written, so which religion before Judaism are they talking about?

[@jayd4ever]

+craze1701 probably paganism religion has been there since the dawn of human civilization it is only later atheists came to speak against religion and god with now being golden age of irreligious which is deist,agnostic atheist thought and ideas

[@VolrinSeth]

+Baji Scipio Dārayav Aurelius “Hemu Rawal Domitian” Julian Venizelos Nalwa You're wrong once again. Atheists have been around at least since antiquity. Technically since the dawn of humanity, since no-one's born a theist.

[@georgejob7544]

Abraham also used Hagar as his concubine! While " married" to Sarah who gave Hagar to him, moral behaviour????

[@oRac00125]

That black guy is upset for a very good reason. One of the most effective ways of being relevant that religion employs is equating itself with morality and good. That way you can conflate opposing religion with opposing everything that is good. However, humanism offers a way of justifying morals without sacred texts, thus devaluing them. All we have to do is to sit and watch as society matures and old fairy tales increasingly become treated as such.

[@Teeb2023]

As discussed near the end by Maajid Nawaz, it's the insecurity that emanates from the religious fundamentalists that shows their true agenda - they're shit scared that their fairytale nonsense is crumbling, and that society as a whole is getting utterly sick of their bigoted, divisive nonsense. Long may that decay continue. Humanity is now more than capable of survival without empty promises _allegedly_ made by invisible friends.

[@indigopillow8260]

What you said in the beginning about religion equating itself with morality and good and then opposing religion is everything that isn't good isn't that a false dichotomy? saying everything that goes against the bible is bad? I am not too sure if it is a false dichotomy but I recently learned about it and was wondering if that is the word for what you said. I completely agree with everything you stated.

[@zorezakbar9892]

I think your a bit hasty in saying humans will just mature and treating these stories that have roots going back over 10000 yrs as fairytails. neitchze went through the implications of what it meant for us to kill God and that there wouldn't be enough water to wash away the blood or something of the sort. 40yrs later what he predicted happened in Soviet Russia where 40million people ended up dead and a further 100million in Maoist China. It would prolly do you some good if you didn't believe the people that have been passing these stories throughout the years were just stupid for doing so and might have had a meaning in doing so. we believe we are smart and we can just disregard it as stupidity but there is a history about how these stories came about and how it relates to in human development its rather interesting and can be dissected from a non faith based view. John vervake has pretty good knowledge on the matter if your interested.

[@lostguardian4637]

I was never exposed to Religion and I thank God for that 😂

[@7A35]

You are a lucky one.

[@tsolayewagbatsoma1882]

It's funny how u said you've never been exposed to religion and thanked God for it. LoL!

[@lostguardian4637]

Just trying to be ironic lol Besides me not believing in religion, does not affect my relationship with God.

[@robertcarey8237]

Lost Guardian your second saying has got to be one of the best I’ve ever heard.

[@thehistory5401]

@@lostguardian4637 you actually believe in God?

[@MrGreensweightHist]

And here is the sum of it all.... Should everyone have equal rights? Humanist: Yes, Everyone should have equal rights. Religious: No, we deserve to be above everyone else.

[@johnh2052]

Marriage existed long before the bible. I'd also argue that the bible's view of marriage is repugnant. It's essentially a form of slavery. Thank goodness we don't follow that anymore.

[@alexisjuillard4816]

"freedom of speech was never a religious value" I salute that rabbi and admire him in a way, this is not an easy thing to say. he shows a level of honesty, open mindedness, and clairvoyance that far exeeds what i am used to hearing by religous preachers

[@robertgold6626]

Christians will never stop or did stop preaching freedom of speach or not.

[@MasterGamerZs]

Religious lunacy at it's finest. Although, I've noticed that Rabbi's tend to speak the most sensibly out of all religious leaders.

[@maeburekaiser]

Not the Orthodox ones. Its the same for most religions. The more fundamentalist they are, the more crazy they are.

[@jays6997]

Agreed, most Rabbis sound more like philosophers than priests in most cases. Too bad they insist on mutilating their childrens genitals...

[@Funaru]

I simply LOVE Douglas Murray's horror-stricken stare at 1:12.

[@PankajKumarpankaj_lp]

Funaru 1:14 to be precise

[@mwa1254]

"It's important to learn about different things. So yeah." 14 min 35 sec. Brilliant answer. I wouldn't have a come back to that.

[@glynarchie5765]

Been an atheist/ humanist all my life, I want to know where the sea of debauchery is, so I can book a holiday there

[@elihenley6982]

The fact this is even a debate is quite clearly evidence religious intolerance is bred into these people

[@Heathen.Deity.]

When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression. This is why theists like the first guy is so damn salty.

[@atheistgeezer]

"The historical book that has stood the test of time " Yeah, right. LMFAO Bro!

[@jayd4ever]

+atheistgeezer he probably means the essential teaching

[@eddiequinn1335]

Humanists are kind , considerate , compassionate folk who try to live by a set of principles that benefit mankind as a whole . Why would we want to be recognised as a religion ?

[@antithesisofreason9838]

Religion has had its day, it's grasp on people is loosening and eventually it will disappear.

[@landofold]

10:09 That's a "wtf are you talking about" face right there.

[@Earth098]

Not all Humanists deny the existence of God. They just don't except the version of what God wants offered by religions. Instead they try to use reason to define what's good and bad.

[@freebeing6952]

How is it that Taiwo Adewuyi wasn't laughed out of the studio?

[@matthewmayhem9213]

Because he was laughed at IN the studio.

[@ssarty1]

I have just learned that I am a Humanist! I had no idea that there was a name for sane thought and a moral code without a god! This is thinking that I came to on my own without knowing anyone else who thought the same way as I do.

[@allnamestakenisnot]

That black man from the beginning is constantly mumbling in the background of this entire discussion haha.

[@petereuk52]

The best thing for me was the unrestrained laughter at everything the first guy said. It holds out hope for the sane and rational future of the UK when we can laugh at such bullshit from him and remain free and alive. I am sure if he had his way we would all be put to death of disagreeing with his bullshit.

[@jasmineturner3528]

I’m confused, is a humanist wedding just a secular wedding???

[@Heathen.Deity.]

Yup. Take an average Christian wedding, remove and the religious guff and you’re pretty much at a wedding like a humanist wedding.

[@whoopjohn]

Just take away the tax and property concessions from religious bodies. That would level the playing field a little.

[@joem1070]

Oh my, in just the first 2:40 seconds this fool said humanism is dangerous. The man with an invisible friend, who in celebration of the God, drinks his blood and eats his flesh. His second big mistake is calling the Bible a historical document. Identifying himself as a fundamentalist while Jesus was a radical socialist anarchist, the Malcolm X of his time and then some. At best the Bible is about an on-going revelation about a non-material existence. Obviously he doesn't understand the word history. Once again proving that religion is the herpes of irony. It can't help itself. It just keeps on infecting and limiting our creative existence.

[@avedic]

As usual, Douglas set it up....and then Majid killed it..._and_ it was the final word. I love both of them. Carrying on the torch Hitchens helped to light. :)

[@BarriosGroupie]

Note how the Humanists here didn't try to tear down the studio over being criticized over their beliefs.

[@jpgduff]

That guy at the start needs a swift slap. Also - would you go to a humanist wedding? '..........I don't know' GTFOH

[@revzillo]

Huminist is not a doctrine , religion is !

[@garyconyers-davies5781]

I like the way that the first Christian's views were seen as so ridiculous to the audience that they openly laughed at them. He was so rude, insulting and offensive that he lost all credibility from the start.

[@australianmade2659]

That guy who spoke at 16.00 rocked. Brilliantly said.

[@Geoffthebull]

Marriage is merely a public stating of a contract between two people.

[@gavriloprincip11]

Why do we give people with mass delusion any extra rights ?? Tolerating religion is tolerating intolerance and oppression.

[@nandokgg]

So fitting that the first guy to speak is on the far right edge of the room

[@Ally788]

The atheist guy is so patient and polite. The Christians are rude, interrupting, insulting, and don't have anything intelligent to add to the conversation in the slightest.

[@felixltd26]

"the book that has stood the test of time" hasn't it been changed a few times?

[@Heathen.Deity.]

Indeed. He also rather glossed over the fact we have absolutely none of the original text either. He has no clue how much has been altered over the ages, mostly to suit the most powerful men of those ages.

[@felixltd26]

@@Heathen.Deity. yep. People don't seem to understand how gullible people were a long time ago. I can't defend people now tho 🤣🤣🤣

[@Heathen.Deity.]

@@felixltd26 it’s sad to see. Obviously, if you’re brought up in a deeply religious family, you’re epistemology isn’t necessarily going to be the best until you take the conscious decision to challenge your own beliefs, especially in generations gone by, but you’re right about our current generations. With all the advancements in science and technology (and it’s communication to the world), it’s very much a move from an inability to understand many of the flaws in the various religious teachings, to a refusal to examine those beliefs in the face of ever-increasing evidence to the contrary. What I got from the first chap is more than a little hint of “my religion is under fire because too much evidence is building against it, so I’m rather angry and bitter”. The fact he was met with laughter probably didn’t help his salty mood.

[@catweasle5737]

All these shows should go for an hour. They debate some good topics.

[@al4385]

Weddings in modern times are COMPLETELY different from the biblical weddings. Biblical weddings were for family profits and trading. Today, they are about love and union. Modern marriage is not necessarily religious so the idea that a theist can't understand it simply means they are ignorant of the bible teachings they cling to. Cherry picking the past to control the future. Gotta love christians.

[@Halfdanr_H]

Yeah, of course. Equal rights for everyone, isn't that obvious? I'm a Northern European pagan and I wouldn't treat anyone else with the kind of prejudice, arrogance, and ignorance as the Christians speaking in this, nor would I want to be treated by anyone else with contempt like they do. How is this even a debate?!

[@calvinlong1265]

Really? 'They try to force humanism drown our throats'. The reason I tend to argue with religious people is that they try to force their religion on me. Frankly, I think the world would be a better place if we got rid of religion all together.

[@Cousinsjay]

Great Show Nick...this is exactly what society needs...a free and open diaogue

[@Widmerpool99]

The guy at the beginning is a walking, talking embodiment of Dunning-Kruger.

[@domminion599]

I'm not very old, so theres a reasonable possibility that I will be alive when we make contact with an alien culture from another star system. How will religion deal with this! I'm looking forward to standing back and watching!

[@EpicTree100]

How can they be so stupid! It pisses me off just watching it

[@jerichosharman470]

I think it hilarious that religious people get very uncomfortable, mad, emotional,even murderous …..at the idea that people who do not believe in any gods…..are happy and decent

[@MP-ux1dn]

These arguments might hold slightly more credibility if marriage had its foundations in Christian doctrine. But it doesn't

[@addictedtonotsmoking2893]

9:12 Excuse me, but WHO'S trying to force WHAT down WHOSE throats? Hint: the culprit is NOT the person who encourages other people to figure things out without an external authority.

[@zebz313]

Paul Potts? Since when did he become a muderer?

[@briancox9357]

Laughing out loud at that comment 2021 cheers

[@whitefox494]

In the beginning I just found the black guy funny but when I really listened to what he thinks it genuinely frightened me

[@Heathen.Deity.]

The brainwashing of indoctrination is a terrible thing. I wasn’t angry at him, rather I pity him.

[@roloug95]

Douglas is the best mind there and he barely said a word.

[@R3tr0v1ru5]

+roloug95 Nawaz is brilliant too.

[@theoblivionlord]

Agreed, Nawaz is really good.

[@martinguila]

+roloug95 All the absurd things Taiwo maybe left Douglas speachless. He talked like someone from the middle ages, I mean where do you even start :)

[@Beery1962]

+Martin Hallén They could start by suggesting that Taiwo find Doctor Who and get him to transport him back to the 14th Century, where he belongs.

[@toniokettner4821]

next episode on this show: is 2 + 2 = 4? debating this controversial question

[@bigzoop3890]

I remember learning about humanism in school and I’m so thankful

[@mariolis]

11:45 This lady assumes that the desire to be married stems from religion . She probably thinks that all atheists are promiscuous sex-addicts and can't fathom the idea of an atheist wanting to get married She also seems to think that her particular faith has a monopoly on marriage , while marriage was invented far before that , and every culture , even those who evolved separately from one another did, in fact develop the idea of marriage independently

[@TheHestya]

It's painful to watch. :D But I can't look away. :D

[@joshuacochran2303]

Dumb title. Should someone have the same rights as a belief system? When exactly did beliefs get rights?

[@hellohandsome9875]

This black guy needs a jacket that fastens at the back

[@Summer21.]

He needs a permanent gag on his mouth as he is talking a lot of nonsense.

[@paulrichards6894]

and kept in a room made of rubber

[@crosbyalexander42]

Oh my god is this show great. Will now be bingeing :)