Can-Am Gen 1 Renegade/Outlander 975 Mr RPM big bore build, Part 3

[@_Croom]

Can't wait to give the guys at MRRPM a big thumbs up for my 975 bbk build!

[@mudhawgmafia3896]

What all did you do besides the bbk kit?

[@_Croom]

@@mudhawgmafia3896 aluminum intake, stm clutching, aluminum back plate for clutch, NOS, power commander, solid motor mounts, head studs, head work, cams, megaphone full exhaust, oil cooler adapter, re-flash. - on a G2 2015 500L frame, the motor was from a 2018 850, new rear differential, new axles, new orange and camo plastic's, can-am snorkel. -It won't win any beauty contest but it should be quick!

[@_Croom]

And a 6x6 transmission

[@mudhawgmafia3896]

Sounds pretty sweet bro! What I might suggest that you didn’t have listed is running without a thermostat. Requires using another water neck gasket in place of the thermostat, allows coolant to constantly flow. Also put your fan on a switch so it’s on all the time. 975 jugs have thin walls, your bike will run hotter, but what I suggested will help it run cooler. I’m running power commander 5, tuned a little on the lean side, that’ll also help it run cooler. Not knowing before hand, the 975 is basically a racing motor, so what we do, or me, just playing in the mud, generates lots of heat, which will kill our motors. Doing everything to help them run cooler, equals a long life! Lol I was fortunate to have a local guy who is basically a Can-Am racing legend tune my bike, taught me so much! He just builds badass motors for Can-Am and Polaris guys now, but his knowledge is off the chart!

[@mudhawgmafia3896]

We got an Instagram page as well if you care to check out @mudhawgmafia

[@darcymigwans1901]

There is a easier way to do it! I install these on big bore kits every week. We sell a ring compressor that is small and can fit between studs for easy removal. But what ever works, have fun

[@mudhawgmafia3896]

I appreciate the comment, when I did the video, that was my very first Can-Am build, lots has been learned since then. Main reason I wanted to do a video was because when I was looking for info/videos, most of them left out steps or you couldn’t see what they were doing/talking about. Was very frustrating to me. I’ve done many many motors since then, and yes there’s easier ways when your not a novice. My hope is just to help the next guy learning as well.

[@atonyrodify]

Hello!great content by far i was wondering do you have any part numbers for any of these parts ?thanks for video's and one more thing as far as tuning what all is required did you have to change throttle bodies?bigger fuel pump?or is this kit plug in play ?thanks again friend Happy mudding

[@mudhawgmafia3896]

Everything on that build came from Mr RPM Cycle website. They are strictly a Can-Am performance shop. You can run stock fuel pump and fuel injectors. My throttle body has been bored out and ECU reflashed, both of which Mr RPM does. All their prices are listed in their website. You can also call them and when if you do, ask for Stephen, he’s very knowledgeable and can answer any questions you may have. You will definitely need fuel tuning, preferably a Dynojet Power Commander 5, they are adjustable using a Laptop.

[@atonyrodify]

@Mud Hawg Mafia Thank you, Sir!

[@aaronlangdon9064]

Hey man I have the same kit and I wore the piston rings out , did you happen to keep the boxes for the rings ? I need a new set and don’t know what to buy any help would be much appreciated

[@mudhawgmafia3896]

@@aaronlangdon9064 Hey brother, just seen your message, I’m pretty sure I don’t but your best bet is to call Mr RPM and ask for Steven, he’s there head salesman but he’s also a can-am gear head and super knowledgeable! I know he’ll be able to hook you up! Seems like they are $30 something a set (per piston). I had a broken one once, had to tear my motor down after 4 or 5 rides after sinking it! Lol

[@mudhawgmafia3896]

@@aaronlangdon9064 what makes you think they are whore out anyways? Fuel in oil??? 975’s do require a lot of fuel, mine is also tuned a lil rich to help run cooler as well, trade off is frequent oil changes, every 2-3 all day rides!

[@jsatvmudruns6166]

Hi can u tell me what the gap is for the cam senor from that rod on cam suppose to be or does it just touch senor tks

[@mudhawgmafia3896]

It’s not supposed to touch but it should pass in front of the sensor pretty close. I forget the actual measurement though. I’ve actually never taken any Can-am engine apart and when putting back together, seen the issue your having! The part bolted to the front cam, that’s actually called the “timing trigger”

[@kennethbriggs1568]

You run a pretty high risk of chipping a ring doing this. Ring compressors aren't that expensive and worth the peace of mind to use. Also would be a lot quicker.

[@mudhawgmafia3896]

Oh I agree, after I built the motor, found out the hard way that I didn’t have the ARP heads studs at the right torque (62ftlbs) instead of the factory (44), coolant leaked into the crankcase, had to pull the motor back out and tear it back down to clean. Anyways I used a piston ring compressor, like you said a whole lot easier!!!

[@840mafia4]

Bro i have been doing it whit a pick a tiny flat screw diver and have never cracked a ring and it been 5 year Ago Onassis still running great but on semi engine I would use a ring compressor

[@craigbenjamin6320]

Hello could you please help I have a 2010 renegade 800 xxc I’m looking to replace the crank case with a can am 2011 outlander xt crank case would this work cheers craig

[@mudhawgmafia3896]

Yes as long as it’s another 800 case! There was no difference in crank cases between models. The 1000’s were slightly larger.

[@craigbenjamin6320]

Ok thank you for that would I need to change the pistons or are thay the same also ?

[@craigbenjamin6320]

I might sound silly asking that mate but I’m just unsure my cam chain has been rubbing on the old crankcase so getting that one to replace it an getting new jugs an pistons just don’t want to order stuff that don’t fit if you understand so I have a renegade 2010 800 xxc an going to replace the crankcase with outlander 2011 800r xt

[@mudhawgmafia3896]

@@craigbenjamin6320 the Gen 1 renegade and outlanders both had the same engines, 2008-2011. All the engines were the same, even though there were different trim models. The trim models, like x, xxc, xt, etc., those had nothing to do with the engines, as long as it’s another 800, it will work. Your case is probably just worn/stretched cam chains or worn cam chain guides? Nothing to do with the engine case itself. If you replace one, do both! I bought new cam chains, then bought used cam chain guides and cam chain adjusters off eBay. There’s usually good used ones on there, way cheaper than brand new ones! Hope this helps?

[@mudhawgmafia3896]

What I meant to say is “in your case” not engine case! Lol

[@catalinrogoz7226]

Hello I have a can am renegate 800 end I have broken the sprocket arm frome the engine end I want to buy on aftermarket wat to think about its goind to hold tanks

[@mudhawgmafia3896]

I guess I’m not quite sure what your talking about?

[@michaeldouglas9457]

i'm from brazil we have a can am 570 here it doesn't burn the rear piston what can it be give me a tip i'm almost crazy here..

[@mudhawgmafia3896]

Try new spark plugs to start off! If that doesn’t work try these……. Bad rear fuel injector Bad spark plug wire Ignition coil could be bad

[@ltgrithy00]

What is the part no. For the head studs? I can only find sea doo Rotax kits...

[@mudhawgmafia3896]

Hey man, those are ARP head stud’s, you can find them on “Mr RPM” and “Warranty killer Performance” websites. Just did a motor build for my son, and used them on his bike as well. Check out our Instagram page @mudhawgmafia

[@ltgrithy00]

They are out of stock :(

[@mudhawgmafia3896]

Try looking up “Bomb racing”, they actually don’t have a personal website but sell all they’re performance stuff through another website! All I can remember off hand is the website started with an “H”? Anyways they are another popular Can-Am engine performance supplier!

[@mudhawgmafia3896]

Just looked it up, it’s “high tech powersports”! Hope this helps

[@renegade9758]

is this 975 kit forged? is it reliable as much as 840?

[@mudhawgmafia3896]

Yes and the cylinder sleeves are pressed in, piston are Carrillo. With the Mav race heads and Mav race cams, should make around 100+ hp and tons more torque. But that also depends on clutch & diffs, being able to get that pwr to the ground. Stephen at Mr RPM, very knowledgeable and helpful!!!

[@renegade9758]

@@mudhawgmafia3896 ok big tanks man i have gade 840 it not faster for me i need more powwwerrr

[@mudhawgmafia3896]

@@renegade9758 I know the feeling! Lol When I called STM and ordered my clutches, the guy said with that motor your building, you better strap some weight on the front!

[@renegade9758]

@@mudhawgmafia3896 yeahhhhh bodyyy🤙🤙🤙🤙

[@renegade9758]

@@mudhawgmafia3896 wich fuel octane you need for 975?

[@jsatvmudruns6166]

Its a 2007 can am 650 with new rebuild

[@mudhawgmafia3896]

You could’ve bought a 800 crank and rods, 800 jugs & pistons, would’ve dropped right in that case, and turned that into an 800R. For not much more $$$$

[@jsatvmudruns6166]

@@mudhawgmafia3896 ya one we rebuilt is a 650 with an 800 top end runs good but senors went on it an we put another senor in an ruint it to it hits it

[@mudhawgmafia3896]

Pretty sure you have to run an 800 crank & rods too! Not sure if the cam sensor’s are inner changable or not? Probably could call Mr RPM cycle, ask for Steven, he could answer that.

[@normdickson2438]

That’s not how you do that your are scratching your ring faces and may be causing damage there is a tool for this called a ring compressor and even a cheap one would work better than this you should also have lube on rings an sleeve please this hurts to watch

[@mudhawgmafia3896]

Lol, there was lube on both the rings and cylinders. The 975 cylinder walls are pretty thin and don’t have a bevel machined in them that allow’s the use and ease of a ring compressor. All other smaller bores do have the bevel machined, which helps the ring’s/pistons slip into the jug. Something I guess I should’ve mentioned when I did the video. I’ve had the motor apart one other time since the video and I assure you the cylinder walls aren’t scored.