AMD RDNA 4: Can Radeon 8800 even compete? 😬

[@amirulizzat2114]

I never knew xda covers more than smartphones lol

[@wantedyou2346]

They have to because xda is dying a slow death otherwise

[@BenWillock]

Moore'sLawIsDead had a recent podcast covering the reasons, but the TL;DR is that big RDNA 4 was cancelled in favour of going all-in with the next gen UDNA parts that can be dual-used for both consumer desktop and business applications. Basically, RDNA 4 is a stopgap, and the big cards will be back in 2027 or whenever.

[@Accuaro]

It's also going to be a relatively short gen, with UDNA going to (rumoured) be released and be used for the next gen PS6.

[@Ignisan_66]

I have a feeling RDNA 4 will flop hard. Because AMD never fails to miss an opportunity.

[@xBINARYGODx]

Calling RT a "niche, high-high-end feature" is the sort of statement that makes you a shoe in for working at AMD!

[@andrescarrasco1248]

Will this fits well in my plans of never spending more than $500 on a GPU, if you can afford $2000 for basically the same experience I have but with ray tracing, good for you

[@ShivamYadav-rx3hy]

If it gives 100 fps with RT 1440p, I m jumping ship

[@dangychoice7800]

they dont need to, they can compete with Apple instead, with large APU with good idle efficiency and more VRAM than Nvidia wants to give

[@Deeptesh97]

You are forgetting one critical aspect and that's software. One cannot deny that AMD's CPU and GPU hardware is fantastic but they fall flat in real productivity due to lack of solid software stack like Nvidia/Apple and even Intel. AMD's media engine isn't as good as Intel's Quicksync for H264 (and also H265). Nvidia CUDA destroys AMD in content creation and AI. Apple is leaaaague's ahead with their content creation tools with super tight integration between the NLEs and their media engine. AMD sucks in Blender (Nvidia destroys AMD here and even Apple has tremendously improved their integration with Metal API). AMD's weakness isn't hardware. AMD's weakness is that their hardware is left underutilized for true productivity.

[@dangychoice7800]

@@Deeptesh97 then even Intel can compete even though their GPUs are probably worse than AMD's

[@DeepteshLovesTECH]

@@dangychoice7800 fr Intel GPUs - once their drivers mature will kill AMD. Intel's XeSS (using XMX units) kills FSR.

[@ChrisBa303]

@@Deeptesh97 Agreed, even their consumer software is falling behind. The Nvidia app is now far better than AMDs.

[@akshat8586]

@@dangychoice7800 The Strix Halo lineup is supposed to do exactly that. Let's hope for the best.

[@gusmlie]

Amds marketing department are appalling so if they have gone silent that's not a bad thing.

[@movesmatter4514]

Of course they can compete but they normally don’t have cards in the same weight class as Nvidia’s top end. NVIDIA needs them to compete so they have competition in the market. Intel has show us that it’s not easy to catch up to either of the companies. Showing us that AMD is still in fact moving forward just not putting in all their resources. AMD competes in the GPU and CPU market so imo I don’t think anyone has a better full hardware stack than AMD in the gaming retail market.

[@xBINARYGODx]

they are irrelevant until perhaps udna - unfortunately

[@GTduzIt]

i want to know how the 8800xt compares to the 7900xt and xtx... I know it will be better than a 7800xt which is the best mid range card.

[@leggysoft]

The reality is mainstream gamers do not buy GPUs based on specs, they simply buy the most expensive nvidia card they can afford, $300 $800 $3000 specs do not matter they're not informed consumers. MILLIONS buy 8GB cards which say "ray tracing" and many think that's how it renders everything.

[@ehenningsen]

This is not true. PC enthusiasts know that AMD is sorely behind in features, and saving $50 is not worth it.

[@Skobeloff...]

@@leggysoft Most likely true. I always compare stats, seems the logical way to buy tech. My current rig is all amd, because it was a very obvious choice. Prior one was intel/NVIDIA for the same reason.

[@danburke6568]

Same happened in CPU for year's with intel. AMD a head generation after generation. No one should buy a intel over AMD system but the mind share is too much for many. The one thing Nvidia has is good software. Cheaper to sell a weaker card with upscaling and great software. Sadly rDNA 2 onwards software is now near Nvidia but currently Nvidia still better! Over time Nvidia cards are not like wine. 3080 12gb. A £600 4080s with good software will be a win for many but it will just be intel all over again.

[@placeholder3853]

​@@ehenningsenThis isn't true, the rtx 30 series was fabbed on crappy Samsung while AMD was on tsmc and gamers still went to Nvidia in droves

[@lflyr6287]

REALITY IS, that in rasterization, which is a classic and static rendering technique that all of the todays games still use and will use for at least a decade to come, that the : RX 6800 XT 16GB > RTX 3080 Ti 12GB RX 6900 XT 16GB > RTX 3090 24GB RX 6950 XT 16GB > RTX 3090 Ti 24GB RX 5700 XT 8GB > RTX 2080 Super 8GB (in Nvidias 2018 RTX launch title Battlefield V => one of multiple sources is Hardware Unboxed RX 5700 XT launch review) RX 7900 XT 20GB > RTX 4080 16GB RX 7900 XTX 24GB > RTX 4080 Super 16GB AMD is more than competing, AMD is actually wining :).

[@akshat8586]

Noone buys them though

[@xBINARYGODx]

AMD fanboys are very funny - somehow funnier than the nvidia ones. If what they said were true, the Steam hw survey would not be what it is. but hey, you can always get like a member of hte DNC and blame the public instead of the people in charge that are the cause of it all.

[@lflyr6287]

@@akshat8586 haha....really buttercup :) ? (retorical) in EU they sell like hot cakes :)

[@akshat8586]

@@lflyr6287 Look at the market share.

[@steven2809]

@@akshat8586I did....🙄

[@jasonwestwood7092]

MAYBE AMD 9900 XT and XTX can. 🤞

[@YourEx..]

People seems to think Navi 48 is worse than it is

[@k-vandan]

their HIP rendering still beta in blender I dont know in future anything will change but may be in 3 to 5 years.

[@JuanPerez-jg1qk]

amd is good in one thing....they sure know how fall behind hard....with nvidia took advantage of amd...now intel doing same thing with amd....jump ahead in performance gain that make rdna4 DOA

[@JuanPerez-jg1qk]

rdna4 performs worst in opencl...32k for 28 CU vs battlemage 20Xe2 at 80k...imagine 40 Xe2 cores would do ??? thats 160k ...that will murder nvidia 4090 for half the cost

[@BastyTHz]

if 3.3G can only be par with 4080 then it is disappointment

[@CuttinInIdaho]

we don't need leapfrog generations, and we don't need same as the last gen's lame performance

[@chrissimao14]

Is video really necessary? Most gamers don't purchase at the higher end (xx80-xx90) that is universally known.

[@Sal3600]

Yes

[@asdfomfglol]

Yes

[@xBINARYGODx]

yes, and most consumers not in the high end also don't purchase AMD - partially because AMD either doesn't compete in the high end OR they like to think they can do what Nvidia does, but slightly less bad, and people will reward it. Perhaps UDNA will change things, but up until maybe it - AMD is irrelevant to most gamers and it only has itself to blame, and no one else.

[@chrissimao14]

@xBINARYGODx what the hell are you on about? Lol

[@pin2xpress430]

*CES How utilize AMD, Nvedia GDDR7 Ram who is faster, More FPS?* 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻

[@ps3301]

Poor gamers buy amd GPU. Most people are poor

[@DeadPiixxel]

smh fool

[@stevenpike7857]

They just need to build the video card they would make in 2050 - today! Imagine if they made their top tier video card currently - but instead of releasing it in 2025 - they released in it 2000!!! They would have dominated the market!!! /🙃😉😊

[@jasonleslie9494]

I'm trying too skip 50 cards Intel power up to 4070 amd can be just as good as 4080 supper amd will get my money if the price is right

[@asdfomfglol]

Nice video

[@AI.Musixia]

at creator side i can only say intel and amd as gamer amd only and if i ever have too much money then nvidia (never) if the leaks comes true rx8800xt is the best gpu ever in power/performance/rt and a gpu is good or bad depends on price so it is at the end the best, inetl is lower so who cares intel at highend? the entry tier is intel win mid-highend amd and nvidia only useless at 50series! 😋

[@LuminousSpace]

idk, i had to choose amd entire life now, imagine carrying 600 gram pc with intel 12th gen i9 and gtx 1650 performance or rtx 3050 in recent release just using 20w, it is god send doing work with ar glass on train or any form of entertainment

[@dinxsy8069]

i don't know how it is now but the last time i had a AMD gpu their software was utter garbage in regards to screen capturing

[@puddles5501]

relive works great for me. flawless.

[@bhaveshsonar7558]

Its good now

[@craiglortie8483]

as an amd user over the last several years, they are by far better then nvidia was even 5 years ago. i left nvidia when they priced me out of their products and i haven't had much reason to look back. just remember that most of the problems are in game drivers as they don't worry much about amd unless it's a amd title and then it's only for the "short" term. nvidia has gotten so big that there isn't anyone one that can compete with them head to head.

[@Skobeloff...]

Hardly anyone needs top tier graphics cards these days anyway, most people who buy them, are just overcompensating.

[@xBINARYGODx]

cool story, brah, but AMD being a shit show in anything other than affordable price-to-performance is why they sell like crap

[@Skobeloff...]

@xBINARYGODx NVIDIA has the lion's share of the market due to nimrods like you who say brah.

[@steven2809]

@@xBINARYGODxstupid comment...brah! 😖

[@xBINARYGODx]

The amount of cope from fanboys in the comments section is pathetically funny.

[@tahaatef8847]

Good

[@puddles5501]

nonsensical response

[@Itsme-cc1ym]

First👀

[@temanor]

Good for you 😐