Can anything stop Bayern Munich? | BBC Sport

BBC Sport visits Germany to examine whether Bayern Munich's 10th straight league title is harming competition in the Bundesliga, and ask if anything can halt the champions' domestic dominance.
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Is Bayern Munich's dominance bad for Bundesliga? | BBC Sport

[@kylenelson2121]

I was born and live in Bavaria… I will say it’s 100% terrible for the league. Everything below Bayern is super competitive but they make our league look like a joke at times. The problem is I prefer our system where we don’t really have billionaire owners from America, Saudi Arabia etc. Bayerns dominance will eventually come to an end, so I am looking forward to that. Our academy players get into the first team which gives lots of hope to future talent

[@aidygooner]

It would be wonderful to have a strong Bavarian rivalry where Nurnberg get to hurt Bayern here and there, even if your team isn't challenging for the title. It's crazy and sad that your club (along with HSV and Schalke) have fallen so badly in recent years. 😢

[@navaneethnsr]

The main issue with future talents are that Bayern will just poach anyone with outstanding performances

[@Monaleenian]

@@navaneethnsr Well if Bayern don't "poach" them, a big club in England probably will. That's how professional sport works. It's about making money.

[@junior9175]

Still looking after bayern 12 years of domination?

[@raulpancholi3089]

Well it's not exactly a good thing for the league, I'm surprised it's taken 10 years to realise it!

[@user-dt9qh6ij7b]

Here after Bayer Leverkusen Won the Bundesliga ❤🎉

[@RevStickleback]

Of course it's terrible. It shouldn't even need saying. Pretty much every change in the game in the last 30 years has been designed to give the richer clubs even more of an advantage than they already had, and the result is an uncompetitive division. We can't be smug in England either. We used to take pride in how many clubs could put up a title challenge in any given year, but now you can point to the clubs who'll finish in the top 6 every year. Is there really any point to the rest of the clubs even being in the premier league now? They just make up the numbers. Sadly the people who run the game only care about money, and if that means having a locked in elite that make selling rights overseas easier, then that's what they are happy with.

[@Monaleenian]

Did you predict that Brighton and Newcastle would finish in the top 6 last year?

[@RevStickleback]

@@Monaleenian There will be exceptions, but Newcastle now have Saudi money, and Brighton are punching above their weight aided by having an owner pump in £400 million. What it really shows is that we take the odd club breaking into the top 6 as a sign that things are fine, but the very fact that such a thing is regarded as interesting, rather than completely normal, shows the state of the game today. Go back to the 80s, and predicting the top 6 was incredibly difficult. Sadly the couch potatoes of today prefer to have an elite set of clubs at the top, and keeping those tv viewers happy is all the organisers care about.

[@Monaleenian]

​@@RevStickleback I'll take that as a no then. Why do American couch potatoes apparently not like to see the same teams finishing at the top in their sports year in, year out?

[@RevStickleback]

@@Monaleenian Hard to say. Maybe because it's such a big country, with sports set up so there's a big team for virtually every region, with measures in place to stop the biggest clubs from dominating, that you don't get the same level of gloryhunting. You hear fans in England now, ones who've only really known football from the last 20 years, and they talk about the 'big six' clubs, and that's it. They have no interest in anybody else. And why should they? Beyond the occasion freak result, those other clubs never challenge, let alone win anything. They are pointless 'also-rans' now. Look at the FA Cup, for example. That used to be a great trophy, and part of that was because so many clubs felt they had a genuine shot at winning it. Now, even mid-table premier league clubs barely bother, because they know the big clubs are just on such a different level. I'm not even sure what your angle is. Are you suggesting having all the talent and wealth in the hands of a small set of perpetually challenging clubs is an improvement?

[@JONYEN9]

Bayern Munich will win Bundesliga even if they play Fußball wearing lederhosen and Birkenstock. Not good for the league.

[@markmeadows1899]

In a sense it should be a good thing because it should inspire the other clubs even more to stop the dominance. Money is a big factor of course but rivals like Dortmund haven't helped themselves since Klopp left. Changing managers too often...and almost accepting as soon as they bought him that they would sell Haaland at some stage.

[@sky3down367]

its not a good thing tho, yes it inspires them but once you see them win every year and you have nothing to show that you can stop them eventually like now they gave up hope, plus even if a team is lucky enough to somehow beat them bayern for the past decade have not even being focused on the league only the champions, so once they lose it will make bayern even better, they lose once and now they know that they need to try in the league again and all they have to do is wait them out since eventually the team that beat them will have those players leave for a tougher league or they arent good enough thus bayern will keep up being able to spend more than them and get the best players around

[@luminousdreams8405]

There is two sides of 50+1 Rule. Where it is a big obstacle to get foreign Investors but It also work as a shield to fans. Just compare the ticket prices of bundesliga compared to other leagues, Bundesliga is the most cheapest league to enjoy football. So I am really skeptical what will happen to the Fan culture of this league if 50+1 rule got abolish. You know what is the Biggest fan owned club in EPL? It's portsmouth. Fiddling with 4th and 3rd division. That's the problem of the foreign investors, your club's Identity will die. Just read about what happed to Bury FC and One of the oldest club in India-Mohun Bagan.

[@Hehj]

The praise Bayern get for being well run is overblown. As the piece sets out, they have huge financial backing from the likes of Allianz, Adidas and T-Mobile which has done so much to put them in their dominant position in spite of the 50+1 rule. It's objectively bad for the league, and it's tragic because otherwise the Bundesliga is fantastic.

[@eurfrynlfc6686]

1:19 they’ve fixed the graphic error from the original video. Now the trophy silhouettes are correct lol

[@5eek3r0fknowl3dg3]

It's double edged sword, the first refuaal rule keeps top players in German league

[@Kprdz90]

Not that far off from this happening in the PL with Man City. Although a two-horse race with another state-backed team in Newcastle should put an end to that soon...

[@senti2175]

Lol... wat a load of ... Man City won two titles with 1 point on very last day even to very last few minutes. They arent even leading the league right now. Bullshitliga is already over by christmas. Ya sure totallybthe same 🤪

[@spark556]

Winning 2 PLs in a row (Man City) is far from winning 10 (soon 11) like Bayern does in Germany. One thing is sure, Germans are completely obsessed with talking about Man City.

[@sky3down367]

@@spark556 thats kinda true, and yeah even if man city win the next 5 they will still be short of bayern and well lets be real the prem is still going to have them try to win it and they aren't going to win by 20, i mean the league that bayern play they dont even have to try, in 2020 and 2021 im pretty sure bayern could have lose the last 3 games in a row and second place will still be second place, atleast ligue 1 had a different winner less than 3 seasons ago, in la liga besides recently the past decade was was the most competive league in the wolrd they didnt have the best teams but put in any team in like in la liga like 5 or 6 years ago and they wouldn't even get second place, la liga had its fun and is kinda coming back, the seria a has the best overall title race, sure juve had won it for years in a row but like the prem it wasn't to the point where they could lose 3 to 4 games and they could still win, what im trying to say is who would pay to watch the bundisliga i mean you know whos going to win and besides bayern all the other teams arent going to even do well in the ucl

[@johnnygoods1232]

Man Utd won 6 in 7 years and no one said this is bad for the league

[@beastunleashed657]

@@senti2175 Bayern won 18-19 title by 2 points on the last day, but sure. And they are currently one point clear at the top in February.

[@michaelphillips4470]

It can hurt because if there league fall to 8th in coefficient they will only get 2 spots in CL

[@spaceexplorer3690]

Never

[@Frosty1979]

Well not sure if it is bad, but it is certainly deserved, since Bayern achieved that with their own outstanding work on and off the field. Quite in contrast to most other European top teams with their billionaire owners.

[@realist1641]

Two things can exist at the same time.

[@sambennett3731]

Why try.. when they will just buy all the best players in the league anyway! And from there rivals! It’s like city buying salah or VVD

[@GIBBO4182]

That’s the biggest problem…they make their opponents weaker every time they get challenged

[@miroslavtikvicki5247]

Nobody is forcing those clubs to sell their players to Bayern and those players to actually come to Bayern, look at Upamecano he had other offers from other clubs but he chose Bayern

[@taliamason7986]

@@miroslavtikvicki5247 That's where you are wrong. Like you said with Upamecano, those players choose Bayern Munich which means those clubs effectively have no power to say no to them and sell elsewhere like they would rather do. As soon as a player these days says the specific they want to go, it is almost impossible for the clubs they are at to say no even though they are supposed to be contracted.

[@miroslavtikvicki5247]

@@taliamason7986 what you said doesn't mean I am wrong, I don't know why Upamecano chose Bayern, If you wanna know ask him

[@bjornlinsin4570]

Cry me a river

[@TheHunt708]

It's a terrible thing. Too dominant

[@widialkmaarzaanstreek7291]

Eredivisie Belanda jauh lebih ketat . AZ Alkmaar , FC Utrecht , FC Twente Enschede , sc Heerenveen , SBV Vitesse Arnhem , dan BIG 3 tradisional PSV , Ajax , Feijernoord . KNVB Beker Kampieon : PEC Zwolle , FC Groningen .

[@apierre6]

As an American, I find the structure of international football to be fascinating. No revenue sharing, no salary cap, no draft, etc. Basically there is no route for inferior teams to change their situation. You just have to understand that you'll never win before you start. It's the equivalent to the Los Angeles Lakers winning the NBA title every single season because The Lakers have a huge resource advantage and there is no draft so bad teams never get better. Frankly, doesn't seem like much fun. Even if you're a Lakers fan you would understand that you're only winning because you have more money.

[@crazeamnesty8355]

Well a team bottom of the league can win the league within 5 years you’ll see that with Newcastle because of the money they’ll spend, more money spent means more trophies won

[@GIBBO4182]

A lot of what you said does make sense…but in American sports, you actually get better rewards, in terms of draft capital, the worse you do! Which also isn’t ideal, you get teams deliberately doing bad, to get a better draft pick. And the Yankees spend the most, and win the most…so it doesn’t end the “spend to win” model. The thing about American sports is, when they do get a good player/team your system is much better designed to be able to *keep* them, that is the biggest difference. Which can also be detrimental to the player…it’s a fine balance, players have too much power in Europe, where as franchises do in America

[@AllInTheGame01]

Must be weird to see the 'Socialism' so many Americans rail against alive & well in your Pro Sports as opposed to the rabid capitalism in the European Pro Sports Scene?!

[@RevStickleback]

@@GIBBO4182 I'd say every rule change in the past 30 years or so had been designed to aid the top clubs. It's nearly impossible for smaller clubs to keep hold of top players to allow them to challenge, so even a draft wouldn't work. The top sides make that worse by snapping up all the promising young players and dumping them in their youth/U23 set-ups, whereas before they'd have been playing 1st team football elsewhere.

[@luminousdreams8405]

There is two sides of 50+1 Rule. Where it is a big obstacle to get foreign Investors but It also work as a shield to fans. Just compare the ticket prices of bundesliga compared to other leagues, Bundesliga is the most cheapest league to enjoy football. So I am really skeptical what will happen to the Fan culture of this league if 50+1 rule got abolish. You know what is the Biggest fan owned club in EPL? It's portsmouth. Fiddling with 4th and 3rd division. That's the problem of the foreign investors, your club's Identity will die. Just read about what happed to Bury FC and One of the oldest club in India-Mohun Bagan.

[@Muthal17Edits]

Mohun bagan just merged with another club from the same city. Atk has been, is and will be the future of football in Kolkata.

[@luminousdreams8405]

@@Muthal17Edits ATK never played an actual league ever, where MB was National I league champion who played an actual league which held span of a whole year. 2 Month's league is hilarious.

[@naugiavrilio]

I might be late joining these convos, but what about after 34 Matchdays, the Top 8 will compete in the so-called Championship Playoffs kind of thing, so any team could win the Bundesliga and not just bayern

[@RevStickleback]

There would be hostility to it, because it would be seen as a bit of a farce.

[@leptic5006]

Legends now this is a re-upload

[@aidygooner]

The other big clubs of German football simply need to run their clubs better. Look at Hertha Berlin who've signed a lot of players (good individually) in recent seasons with no real planning. Bayern epitomise German efficiency. 🔥

[@Korianderboy]

No. Freiburg does great work for decades, maybe the best. But they don't have the chance to win the league

[@aidygooner]

@@Korianderboy Freiburg with their manager and chairman deserve huge credit and praise for consistently overachieving and performing competitively. They're another club which the fallen giants like HSV, Nurnberg and Schalke could learn from.

[@Monaleenian]

This is false. Bayern have huge advantages over other German clubs due to their entrenched position. They have a far larger budget than the other clubs so even if they were only run just about as well as other clubs they'd be expected to win, just like they have been doing. Without some change that will allow the other clubs to compete financially with Bayern they'll win at least 50% of the league titles from now on.

[@ulmerle100]

4 out of 5 Teams reach the knockout Stage at the champions league this year. Last year Frankfurt win the Europa league. It‘s not up to Bayern Munich to look for more competition at home.

[@realist1641]

Maybe Dortmund and RB. Rest are average.

[@userihateevery1]

Bundesliga is getting more recognition..frankfurt , Red bulls DVB ,bayern ,bayer 04 , FC freiburg ,union berling are getting attention at the moment..hopefully a german club will win both the UCL & EUL

[@uxdecipher1724]

lol

[@diazcastro7331]

So all they are saying the other teams funs don't care even if they lose . What's the point of the league if that's the case

[@generalkawasaki9485]

do there exist pics of Thomas Mulleimer with his mouth shut?

[@hateterrorists]

You did muller real dirty with the thumbnail. I mean that's the worst picture of somebody I've ever seen. Everyone go back and check the thumbnail.

[@CYP0]

Who is here in 2024?

[@petershortland478]

Biggest problem German FA rely on Bayern so heavily

[@APAP-ef5zn]

This is so pointless like you’ve turned around and only ask buying Munich fans

[@Delboy0]

End the 50+1 rule and you will see the Berlin and Hamburg equivalent of Man City and PSG overnight and Bayern really will have competition. The 50+1 rules just keeps German football very amateurish

[@bayern1860]

If Money is the case then how Barcelona, PSG, Chelsea, Inter, Tottenham, Man Utd, Arsenal, Juventus like clubs regularly lost to Bayern by big margins?? Don't they have financial power to overcome Bayern?

[@Delboy0]

@@bayern1860 I’m tired of these Indian Bayern fanboys who only started watching football 10 years ago acting they know everything. Idiot Bayern are 3rd richest club in the world for income. So Bayern is richer than every team you mentioned proving my point.

[@razakriddle2472]

The problem is bayern always buy a best rival player in their ligue and only bayern a rich club in germany and the rest of club in bundisliga dont have many best player.they only using a acedemy player only.that why i hate the 40+1 system and bundisliga.

[@willyvonfalknerheim4128]

it 50 + 1 and bayern have only use 25 percent and you are salty because you guys never win

[@Rozen23]

we want a challenge but you guys still need to remember that bayern is a hungry club, we always want to win.

[@akiraode-smith6084]

Bro nobody watches the league outside of Germany that's how bad it is. Even competitive darts has higher ratings

[@userihateevery1]

I want bayern to win 100 years in a row just to piss the haters off

[@userihateevery1]

@@taek-hyung then why epl and la liga teams keep losing to the farmer leagues team ?

[@aadithya7139]

​@@userihateevery1 epl teams have a better record against Bundesliga sides. What are you on about?

[@userihateevery1]

Okay

[@spudbencer7179]

Good for you. Nobody will watch Bundesliga by that point. Literally nobody.

[@userihateevery1]

@@spudbencer7179 cap

[@userihateevery1]

Only spurs ,arsenal & chelsea fans call us farmers league.they mad we winning tittles & we embarrassed them in the UCL

[@realist1641]

Everyone calls its Bayernliga. Not just those supporters. Stop stealing other teams players and produce your own.

[@littleb9298]

bbc: Is Bayern Munich's dominance bad man city, liverpool: yea so we decide to do something different this season

[@Monaleenian]

And what's that? Knock Bayern out of the Champions League so that they can focus exclusively on winning the Bundesliga for the 11th time in a row?!

[@______yawn6419]

you're asking questions you already know the answers to

[@dradenhaven1549]

Bayern would dominate any league over time. In England, Bayern would be champion 7 times out of 10. In Spain, 8 times out of 10. In Italy, 10 times out of 10.

[@filipvranesevik583]

The biggest European club alongside Real Madrid, Bayern epitomizes the German mentality. Mia San Mia 🇩🇪

[@_hunter_x_hunter_5809]

Bayern don't make mistakes. PSG choked their league. That is the difference

[@efns3780]

Bundesliga gets more slack, Bayern win the league by 9+ points every year for 10 years don’t try to act like it’s a Bundesliga thing

[@JillTrace]

Check the stats… it’s not 9+ every year…. ignorance

[@ianguill803]

-Bayern munich: We did not became the best team in the world on a whim, All the teams of the bundesliga and champions would do well to remember that.