Can Boros Beat Bombs? | MKM Karlov Manor Draft | MTG Arena

[@AlkonKomm]

society if nummy finally admitted to himself that assemble the players kind of sucks

[@NumotTheNummyYT]

no. stop. get some help

[@Dennis450D]

Sucks in a format with plenty of face up creatures that meet the criteria that you want to play in white AND disguise creatures? How?

[@coolpenguinz8034]

@@NumotTheNummyYTaccording to the 17lands IWD statistic (improvement when drawn) which measures your decks win rate with it vs without it, it is literally the 2nd worst card in the set behind Expose the Culprit. When you draw Assemble, you lose 7.6% more games than when you don’t draw it.

[@Kazooieandbanjo]

Having played with the card with 12/14 creatures that Assemble the Players could hit. Playing it on curve in 3 games with that deck and not being able to cast a single spell of it. I can confidently say the card is unplayably bad.

[@SAYKODELIKmra]

I don't think the 17lands data for a card tells the whole story. But if the data says a card is WAY better or WAY worse than average, I'd rather trust thousands of games than my own gut feeling. And every time I actually played the card, it was in line with the stats. And the stats for Assemble the Players are hilariously bad. I used it in my first draft too, and it was terrible. Edit: I also had the same experience with Grasping the Shadows from last set.

[@Legsman258]

Some statistics: Number of times Nummy cast Assemble the Players this draft: 4 Number of times Nummy resolved Assemble the Players this draft: 3 Number of cards Nummy drew off of Assemble the Players this draft: 3 Number of games Nummy lost after resolving Assemble the Players this draft: 2 Number of games Nummy won after resolving Assemble the Players this draft: 1 Number of games Nummy won after having Assemble the Players countered this draft: 1 Clearly, Assemble the Players is at its best when it trades for a counterspell.

[@jasoncollins218]

Love the statistics, I couldn’t pass this card fast enough, especially on arena where the AI absolutely punishes anything with the slightest potential for breaking.

[@WoRMaSTeR64]

Assemble the players is bad with 15 hits. You are realistically seeing 4-10 fresh cards on top during a game. So that would mean 1,5-3,75 castables. However it also makes it akward a lot of the time since you have to cast the top card not to lose value while you most likely would be better of tempo wise to cast something else. Also the tempo loss especially for an aggro deck to have to cast Assmble on turn 2 is terrible. Getting even 2 casts is not that great since drawing 2 cards is always better and getting a worse draw two for 2 mana is not that great. This draft would have clearly been better to be RB and not get baited by Assemble. Those Festerleaches are good.

[@paulonavarro7095]

Assemble the players is actively bad. The ‘once per turn’ really kills it

[@Legsman258]

@@paulonavarro7095if it drew a card or made a 2/2 on ETB i think it could be once a turn and still be playable

[@MrHaesuse]

Nummy - "this format is just curve out and win" (basically), then proceed to win your final game versus the absolute nut draw, just because you were on the play. Love it.

[@8BitKO]

It's early, but pretty sure the mathology says this set has the highest play/draw winrate discrepancy of standard draft formats on arena. The last few years haven't been kind to nums durdling.

[@lagtowns]

yeah, this, LCI, MOM and ONE... great sets lately. The worst is that there's always like 1-2 color pairs clearly superior.

[@clrl936]

And it wont get better anytime soon. Wizards keeps pushing the powerlevel of cheap creatures and its pretty hard to stabilize the board.

[@rodintremboy6459]

thats the trend the last couple years. cater to arena. make games faster. more gems purchased. rinse and repeat. blocking? thinking? defense? what is that?

[@awrixeldohoda2857]

​@@lagtowns MOM was not as fast as the other formats in my opinion

[@lagtowns]

@@awrixeldohoda2857 high on play/draw discrepancy though, which is what he was talking about. Also, UB was by far the best color pair in that set.

[@calebbaker7452]

Kenji, I like how you are able to stay positive. Though the games and even the format may be salt inducing, you were able to find what you like. I think that is admirable and shows a lot of maturity

[@Kazooieandbanjo]

How to win in MKM: Step 1 - Don't lose the die roll Step 2 - Ooga Step 3 - Booga

[@andrewsegers7942]

That flood at the 35 minute mark was ridiculous. Variance... huh...

[@mattconw]

Assemble the Players " how many times do i need to teach you this lesson, old man?"

[@RW77777777]

if people tire of Karlov Manor the quick draft option of MoM will offer little respite

[@Falnky]

Honestly I love the recent sets! Not because they're good, but because otherwise I'd never download MTGO and try Vintage Cube instead.

[@Mulch4321]

For me I think it helps to visualize Assmble the Players starting as getting 1 cast = a two mana draw 1 at sorc speed, 2 hits gets you a Chart a course, and only when you cast 3 whole things does it really pull its weight. May the assemble gods smile upon you Kenji, but I shall be passing it 😢

[@cerotidinon]

I have the feeling that for new sets there is a general cycle of: 1. People play slower synergistic decks 2. Aggro decks rise and exploit the slow decks 3. Slow decks adjust to aggro decks by playing suboptimal cards which stop the early bleeding and things even out. Right now we are in phase 2 with this set, but I have my hopes up, that we will reach phase 3 before it gets too frustrating.

[@mikemcintosh9933]

Enjoying the set. Good luck with the Taco truck!

[@mrscutaro]

I really appreciate you trying to keep the vibes good even when the set is this frustrating.

[@shwaym2]

congrats on winning that last game brother. very impressive!

[@jigglefloyd]

50:30 I understand your situation, at least I think I do. Your career is largely based on an audience who enjoys MTG content, you got diaper money to pay, and you're kind of forced to make it work, even when the company is shifting to a very aggro type of playstyle which you don't enjoy as much. Just know Kenji, that I would follow you to any card game. I know that there are costs even to experimenting with other games, and doing something different, but maybe you can do that after you do your daily MTG. I know you occasionally do Pokémon and other games so maybe you can expand your horizons without giving up your base. Best wishes to you.

[@davidfailing2372]

There aren’t many cards for which I know the flavor text by heart. But Chub Toad is one of them. Also, Uthden Troll.

[@raulpacheco7488]

00:00 Do not categorize me

[@thoptercrew]

Feels like Gatecrash. Boros and Gruul aggro were just too dominant, even though the other colour pairs had awesome abilities and strategies. Orzhov extort was probably the only thing you could realistically do against aggro

[@larspedersen76]

Just for the statistics. First 5 games you win 3 games on the draw and lose 2 on the play ;)

[@davidwitt5585]

It's pretty obvious what went wrong here. Are you herring me, Kenji?

[@awoo300]

This is probably the most frustrating draft formats I've ever played. I've done about 10 quickd drafts and aside from one 7-2 run, all else are 0 to 3 wins.

[@wmhburgess]

"I think formats where On The Job type cards are good are not good formats" Heroic charge was pretty good in DMU, and that format felt very different to the "modern" limited design. I don't even really know what my point was but I just feel I've gotta stick up for DMU.

[@lagtowns]

Heroic charge was NOT good in DMU

[@wmhburgess]

@lagtowns it was a pretty major role player in the WR go wide deck that did perform well. While it was never a high pick, the play pattern of that deck was basically the same as WR in MKM, and it had a 61% win rate on 17 lands.

[@lancelee338]

I wasn’t a fan of Shaman in Hearthstone when Bloodlust was their wincon. On the Job has a similar effect

[@Falnky]

Same with Druid's Force of Nature -> Savage Roar. Curve out & win as a dominant playstyle gets really boring.

[@thcdreams654]

Awesome run man. Thanks for the great content. Love all the drafts

[@sebastianmartinez8972]

It’s a bummer you’re not having fun with the set. I think bo1 is pretty tilting, but I have seen some cool decks and people cooking. Hopefully things are better for you in bo3, or the good aggro cards get more contested, because I think the set has potential, and it’s barely a week old at this point.

[@pugnator2749]

"Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb" "Boros beat it"

[@bryanhorist4053]

I have only trophied with boros. Today with only 2 rare’s. All my insane decks that were not boros that I thought I would trophy with, I did not. Great content as always. Looking forward to watching this. Thanks!

[@jeremyklotz5803]

At first. I hated this set. Now. I absolutely love it. There are so many possibilities. My favourite thus far, and if I see signs for going into it.. I do. Make an army of thopters/fliers and pump them up. Vannifar, Proft's, Trampling case are some ways to pump them. Throw in some thopter makers and removal and card advantage.

[@RapidVisionLoss]

I 100% agree with best of one really dampening feelings on sets faster, you also are more prone to variance.

[@michele3470]

"We are going to enjoy Magic for what it is" meaning a frustrating game that burns all your money and/or time while lobotomizing a beautiful openminded soul into an aggro-only player? Yeah man, happy valentine.

[@uhhitsjon]

Hell yeah dude, insane run!

[@jasoncollins218]

Thank you for saying it. I said it one the first day the set released in paper and one of the people in comments basically said that I only think that bc I lack skill level. Literally every game at prerelease either ended on turn 5 with a million damage that is impossible to stop for the player on the draw; or the match would have one win and the games went so long that it went to turns and ended in a tie. Like I said, this set is a 💩 show.😮

[@MrAsus4870]

Hi Nummy, i think it would be great if you would sometime highlight rare/mythic cards you have in your hand, often you show them for a second and i find myself rewinding few times to pause at the exact moment, just a thought :D

[@justincurtis1081]

Hey streamer that first player was playing Abzan not Mardu kappa

[@ekings2119]

SPOILER: Not just Boros beat bombs, but it did it on one of the "weaker" hands this run. Nice.

[@bradsurkamer636]

I thought this was supposed to be a slower format with all the morphs

[@Jacob-ee8ux]

the 1W 2/2 that gets flying when you play a creature with power 2 or less is egregious. So is Dogwalker. If those two cards were adjusted I think the format would be good.

[@skranyardglitzmeier5796]

Bore -us beats

[@tennesseefeetmonk752]

MTG limited has been trash for years now. Glad you're finally admitting!

[@UnknowableSir]

Welcome to aggro! Where winning is barely fun and losing feels even worse

[@Dready545]

Assemble the players looks like a "2 mana, discard a card" way too often for it to be worth it. Even if you get to cast 1 card off this, it's not worth it. You need to be able to do this multiple times for it to be fine. That's just super unlikely to happen. Lets say your deck has 12 hits for assemble. Thats just a 30% chance to hit. Once. With 15 possible hits, the chance is 37%. that is waaay way to low.

[@NLPokergeist]

Why didn't you just play like this and trophy earlier today? Easy game, gg's.

[@nex7886]

Assemble the Loss

[@Slippy6582]

I will never ever take "Assemble the Players", i could take 15 2-cost creatures or Disguise creatures and still would just see lands and instants or something like that, IMO it is total RNG and that never works in my favor. That is the main reason i stopped playing Hearthstone and i am back at Magic for a while now 😅

[@Klazm]

Medium boros > than almost anything. And if you have good or great boros EZ wins

[@jarrettcarpenter3155]

Assemble is bad nummy. Matholigists win this one

[@Scquwer]

Boros in limited = BORING! I play it only if have to but definitely my least favorite color combo. But i get it, nature of the game for different strategies always have to make a deck that can survive the initial boros deck attack especially on the draw. This set particularly a necessity unfortunately. They continue make sets to speed up the matches as fast as possible unfortunately, for greed purposes as always. Probably only get worse over time. Soon MTG: SNAP sheesh

[@vladislavivanov8334]

I freaking hate this format and the new play boosters on arena and IRL

[@funkerman7]

So many poker terms have been adopted by 'children's card game' players. It always takes me back when I hear runner runner or nuts or whichever other slang

[@think2one3]

btw its not boros, u still played mardu

[@Falnky]

Even if you count Sanguine Savior as a black card, calling a deck "Mardu" requires more than a single-card splash in the third color.

[@rodintremboy6459]

why are silver ops more challenging than mythic ones. oh arena you so silly.