Can ChatGPT Diagnose this Car? | Chevy Trax P0171, P1101, P0420

Let's see if an "intelligent" large language model can correctly diagnose a broken 2015 Chevy Trax with a 1.4L turbo.
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[@ScoobyMaxC]

One day ChatGPT may be able to diagnose the issue, I doubt it will ever manage to do so with just the right amount of sarcasm though... I think you're safe for the moment Wes. Great video as always.

[@johnh8268]

Agreed. I don't think the sarcasm can be replicated and that's what I'm here for.

[@buildingsalvage]

Here here

[@JoeInBendigo]

@@buildingsalvage you mean "hear hear" right?😉

[@jimharper6073]

@@JoeInBendigo What ???

[@JoeInBendigo]

@@jimharper6073 why did you reply to me? Does it relate to my comment to @M5?

[@davyarthurs]

ChatGPT aside, that oil leak was a great help in keeping those exhausts bolts from getting too rusty 😂

[@stevend4544]

Haha total truth have a 335 in newengland and never had a seized bolt or nut

[@trvman1]

Sorry, but this guy is not a real mechanic. How do I know this? A real mechanic would have to look down at the key board to find the letters while typing. This guy didn't have to do that!! :)

[@dynastycrew824]

​@@trvman1☝️🤓 "sorry" it's called multitasking believe it or not many mechanics do that🤯

[@Austin_the_Cheetah]

​@@trvman1dude most mechanics do that if there making sure there typing the right thing or just don't know the keys

[@justinn71]

​@@dynastycrew824i dont even have to ask if you are stupid..

[@joblessalex]

The fact that it did steer you in the right direction was pretty amazing. It's not wrong, it just wasn't exact. It also told you it wasn't going to be exact.

[@dos_gringos9853]

Yeah, it’s great at pointing you in the right direction, and giving you an idea of where to start diagnosing an issue. Obviously with just a web based text interface it won’t be able to be specific, but once you do get GPT4 like models with the ability to interface with the cars systems it will probably end up being a huge time saver for a lot of shops.

[@Sanrasxz]

​@@dos_gringos9853Really though, I can point myself in the right direction with a Google search too, so...

[@awrsish]

@@dos_gringos9853it won’t save time, (my personal guess) is that it just make more cars come through the shop for cheaper and eliminates the need for highly experienced workers. Not really a good thing for the mechanics.

[@ruk2023--]

He didn't follow up either. A good follow up prompt would be "thanks for the generic information but in all of the information you have stored what is the most common cause of these problems and how did mechanics fix it the most efficiently".

[@dan-ez8lg]

I’ve used it for diagnosing circuit boards and finding smc parts that didn’t have identifiable numbers on them. It’s a really powerful tool to get you going in the right direction when it comes to sorting through masses of data for components that meet certain criteria.

[@Marri-Tech]

The thing to remember is chat gpt is a general chat program trained on general information online. You could train an ai on specific data sets that are updated to include bulitons recalls and previously recorded correct repairs. This would allow it to keep updated with new and old vehicles as well as learning as it goes what repairs were successful m

[@michaelnjensen]

Yep you can already use GPT4 (the engine behind ChatGPT-4), with custom data sets, so would be trivial to do, if you had access to the data/books/etc to feed it with, instead of one mechanics knowledge, you would have one that combines millions of mechanics knowledge, esp. for edge cases that every mechanic is unlikely to run into for a specific model/brand.

[@Marri-Tech]

@@michaelnjensen most large company's won't share data with something like chat gpt as there faya handling policy won't allow it. Would need to be locally hosted and bespoke to the contract

[@stryker1797]

I'm pretty sure even current chat GPT may have some amount of knowlegde of these specific issues. If there are news articles, forums or official info from the company regarding very common issues, you can ask GPT and it'd likely know about it.

[@TheRedRaven_]

Chatgpt can code software so I'm pretty sure it's beyond your basic google search.

[@Marri-Tech]

@@TheRedRaven_ true but also not true. It can do basic code for you but it can't actually make any of the backend of a program work. Most of what it can do you could also find googling for yourself. My point is that if you made an AI program that was trained and centered around program for example it's ability's for coding would be far and beyond what chat gpt can achieve.

[@itsdutchbtc]

Wes, rest assured, once ChatGPT is being used at a mass scale, you'll start seeing more advertisements popping up when you're using the service. The internet isn't a dumpster fire, the entire planet is at the moment.

[@DanielHatchman]

Chat GPT is already being used on an extremely wide scale. People are testing it in every field. For example I have tested it in process engineering knowledge and logic and sometimes it passes. Sometimes it lies through it's teeth. The worrying part is some people think it's infallible.

[@Blank-kg9vf]

I know you Americans always think that the whole "planet" is your own country but rest assured the other side of the planet is not a dumpster fire like America right now.

[@chrisstromberg6527]

@@DanielHatchman I don't think anybody think it's infallible, quite the opposite. I think most are concerned with bad actors using this for nefarious reasons!

[@DanielHatchman]

@@chrisstromberg6527 yes that's concerning too.

[@bryanphillips6666]

The ENTIRE PLANET is a massive wildfire

[@_BAD_MERC_]

Been in the automotive business my whole life because I grew up with it. Every manufacturer can make garbage but more in the last 15 years. From the KIA/Hyundai 2.4 Theta, the Ford 6 liter and 6.7 (Edit 6.4) liter diesels, Gm 1.4, 3.6, 5.3 with DOD... It goes on and on and people will defend them with "well mine has 83K miles and it's been pretty reliable...". Every vehicle today should have NO trouble going 200K with scheduled maintenance. It's probably just an amazing coincidence that any engine with 'ECO' in the name is delicate garbage that will save you fuel expense in the beginning but screw you later when the Turbocharger(s) or head gasket(s) fail. And they will.

[@WhiskeyGulf71]

It seems like you have a strong opinion about the automotive industry and the quality of vehicles produced in recent years. While it’s true that every manufacturer can produce some less reliable models, it’s important to note that automotive technology has also advanced significantly over the years. Many vehicles today are designed to last longer and can reach high mileage with proper maintenance. That being said, it’s understandable that you have concerns about certain engines or components, such as those labeled with “ECO.” It’s always wise to research and consider the specific models and their track records before making a purchasing decision. Regular maintenance and following the manufacturer’s guidelines can also contribute to the longevity of a vehicle. Ultimately, opinions about specific manufacturers and models may vary, and personal experiences can influence perceptions. It’s essential to weigh various factors and make an informed decision when choosing a vehicle.

[@charliemagoo7943]

​@@WhiskeyGulf71 sounds like written with chatgpt

[@robtheslob3940]

Same as appliances, sure it saves energy but after 3-5 years it's in the landfill. That's great for the environment.

[@JamesCouch777]

You would think that by now they would have figured out how to make good vehicles but so many are just crap.

[@charliemagoo7943]

@@JamesCouch777 they know what they are doing. It's planned obsolescence. If they build dependable long term the public won't be buying new vehicles. It's a science to have powertrain failure right past the warranty period.

[@FizzlNet]

To me the ChatGPT suggestions would have been super helpful! I know very little of engines, but I can follow instructions. Cross referencing the instructions and googling the found symptoms would have guided me on the right path.

[@louf7178]

But you probably never would have solved it. The bottom line is that people need to know what they're doing, IMO. It still might be helpful, though.

[@monad_tcp]

​@@louf7178 I solved a vaccum problem in my house water system using GPT4, but thats not a car. Was caused by difference of pressure from mains caused by an improper pipe fitting. No more pipe humming and water hammers.

[@daviduglem3213]

Wes, I'm 72 years old and understand carburation and older American engines. I'm amazed at how much knowledge you have and your attitude.😮

[@TheJstewart2010]

Taking the longer view, the fact that every mechanic knows that those engines typically have the same problems seems like exactly the kind of knowledge base that an AI diagnostic system would be perfect for. Perhaps the issue is that the ones currently available haven't been trained that way (yet).

[@hayleyxyz]

I'm a software developer and I use AI to generate "scaffolding", or code that is self contained and limited enough I suspect AI will be used in many sectors the same way - near-menial tasks that require some intelligence, but just don't have the context of the wider situation. I reckon the main barrier to AI will be providing context/state, without having to type everything in. In this example, it can only give general information, and only knows what's it's been fed by humans

[@russellhltn1396]

I'd think the big challenge is to give it enough intelligence that it can filter it's training set. For example, this is a Chevy 1.4. Include cars with the same engine and exclude the ones that are different makes.

[@rimmersbryggeri]

@@hayleyxyz If you could plug it into the obd maybe.

[@randr10]

This is exactly right. A lot of this info is not publicly available on the internet, and most of what this bot was trained on is just that, publicly available information on the internet. With stuff like automotive repair, as Wes said, even if it is available in a forum or something, there's a ton of complete trash information out there that you have to sort through, so by no means is it comprehensive. Get a mechanic who's worked on a bunch of these to talk to it for a few days, then we might have something.

[@vincebrown5158]

@@randr10 I would take it one step further and have the AI access dealership repair records. IMHO, the AI can quickly see which models are coming back to the dealership and for what types of issues. Share this information for public consumption i.e. the people who turn wrenches in the field.

[@TheBrokenLife]

My fear of AI isn't that the "artificial" is so good, it's that the "natural" is getting so bad.

[@Just-a-bit-Jay]

The feet of the Orang Asli people are well adapted to running up and down trees. Our ancestors had rock-hard feet.The feet of people who live in modern environments are much different and much softer because we wear shoes. Agreed that we are getting "soft" and reliant on technology and we definitely need to proceed with caution - however the future humans, augmented by technology, will be capable of superhuman feats. I think it's quite exciting!

[@quantumchang4410]

Yep, the natural zombies on the streets of America.

[@dadikkedude]

The whole business model of the internet is convenience in exchange of privacy

[@ericgarcia2205]

@@dadikkedudethe human existence model has been based on convenience since writing and farming has developed lol

[@gfries4906]

why do you cling to the natural world when its as flawed as the artificial fear change for no reason anyways, ai brings no greater intelligence because its just based off humans anyways. itll mimic the mistakes and worldly desires of humans that limit us. nothing changed except now we can mimic a dumb human brain thats just faster

[@edchenal821]

I enjoy your candor. Your no nonsense observations are refreshing.

[@thatguy3892]

I'd say it started to diagnose it. I think for a junior technician, it could be useful act as an intermediate step between asking another tech, and trying to _just_ google the answer. Also, ChatGPT 4 is quite a bit better than 3, IMO. I don't know if that would translate to being better at diagnosing something that isn't tangible to it, unlike code, but it would be interesting to see if it is.

[@tombauer7330]

Wes, your opinion and summation of AI-ChatGPT is the most succinct I have seen or heard. I hope you make lots of money doing what you do so we can enjoy future commentary, no matter the subject. Your humor keeps getting better and better.

[@SlyNine]

Are you an expert on ai? Or did he just say what you like to hear?

[@tombauer7330]

Wow! Some of your videos got almost 100 views. It's entertainment, DUDE.

[@gmansecond4103]

You are a smart man, my friend. You are keeping up with technology superbly. Used to be my passion. Not so much any more.

[@SpaceCadet4Jesus]

Your analysis of ChatGPT type A.I. is spot ON. It simply takes pre-searched data and reforms it as more human dialogue. An internet search by a human could come up with the same data, but of course, not as quick.

[@ikannunaplays]

It can also tabulate the occurrence of data. The problem with Auto diagnostics is that much of that data is not public data except for what you find on car enthusiast sites and even then there isn't a large collection of cars, codes, problems with the solutions for chatgpt to tabulate and say "with those codes and car there is a 98% chance it's the O2 sensors." Other data yes, it can do that, but the automotive repair world keeps a lot of that data private as to protect the market.

[@SlyNine]

That's not at all "all it does" it's not even what it does.

[@sirtra]

First time watching your channel and i just gotta say.. love the way you presented this and you just got a new subscriber. I know ppl say this all the time, usually i think a lot of them are fake but i'm not. And i don't normally do this, seriously. My background is in IT but ive always had a fondness for working on cars in my teenage years and now in my midlife crisis it's something i'm getting back into. It never really crossed my mind to use ChatGPT (and friends) for something like this but after seeing the responses i'm quite impressed. I've got an old car with a few issue like this that i've been slowly fixing up and yeah ive mostly just been leaning on forums and stuff but they are hit n miss, but so time consuming to trawl through. The kicker though that earned the subscribe is that you seem to actually have a grounded view of what LLM's actually are and the pros/cons.. particularly that it's merely predictive and not factual, but as you've shown it can be useful to give suggestions or ideas that may actually lead someone with a little bit of knowledge to a solution... but you've still got to have some knowledge to be able to sort the fact from hallucinations in the responses etc. Essentially what i'm saying is that you've earnt my respect as i probably know more about LLM than you, but you probably know more about cars than me.. but the fact you've given ChatGPT a fair shake and have decent understanding it is what did it. Anyhoo, i've rambled enough.. i look fwd to binge watching some of your content over the coming days/weeks 😊

[@bmead144]

Wes is genuinely a real world "MacGyver". Is there ANYTHING the guy can't fix? If so the list is very short :) Two thumbs way up high to Wes and guys like him!

[@michaelstrafello7346]

Probally his own vehicles because he never has time to because he's always fixing customer's cars😅in

[@jasongreen5439]

@@michaelstrafello7346very true. It’s like the contractors house is falling apart because he’s always working on someone else’s house. I agree, this guys skill level is insanely genius. I’m yet to watch a video where he can’t fix something. Great job Wes as usual.

[@tommyhijmensen6257]

​@@jasongreen5439you know what the say; the man,the legend 😊

[@ChappoTC]

Can we say he is near Chuck Norris category? No, and I reprimanded myself for even thinking it. I’m such and idiot!!

[@silasmarner7586]

He's versatile and his approach and results are elegant.

[@cattlerepairmancattlerepai9414]

That was a very clever way of integrating ChatGPT and quickly showing its limitations in this application. The uprising of the machines is not yet around the corner!

[@josefarias111]

What people don't seem to understand is that chatGPT is simply a tool. It's similiar to referencing a manual / other help guide except being able to provide context to narrow down the search to the right answer. It's the same with programming, people assume it's just able to write code from scratch, but you need to know the right questions to ask and also understand that it's dataset is quite limited and a lot of the stuff it provides could already be outdated compared to the documentation provided. But again, this is more of a tool that can help you get to the right answer. Similar to how google is used as a tool to find the answer you're looking for, it gives you suggestions based on the search you type in, which it then has a bunch of websites indexed and performs a keyword search based on what you typed and what it has indexed and ratings based on a bunch of web crawler metrics to rate the websites and then display them in that order. The supposed "uprising of the machines" is inevitable so long as tech keeps advancing, which it will.

[@SlyNine]

GPT4 is not close to state of the art any more.

[@richard1835]

Anything that will help our diagnostic skills and give relief to the customer is a plus. Great video. Thumbs up

[@charlesmcclintock9955]

It's good to see a mechanic. who is interested in other things other than twisting wrenches and you do a very good job of explaining what you're doing, how you doing it and reasons behind it. 5 stars

[@KeyserSoseRulz]

I have been using chatgpt regularly to ask questions and also help me with better phrasing some mails and I am very impressed by the results. It is a game changer for me.

[@roshi98]

"The Devil's greatest trick was convincing the world that he didn't exist."

[@wyattyeary8050]

Takes the reward out of your work no?

[@Johnpdf]

​@@wyattyeary8050bruh who cares about the reward, the reward is finishing faster

[@KeyserSoseRulz]

@@wyattyeary8050 Not really b/c I still come up with the original text and ask the engine to rephrase it. It cannot create the content for me even if I pass lots of hints.

[@okdarius]

@@wyattyeary8050 with that mindset every technological advancement we've had so far is pointless bc takes the reward out of everything

[@VorlonFrog]

3 out of 3 on exhaust flange bolts?!? Wes, you're living right. Ya fortunate son-of-a-gun. 🤣

[@WatchWesWork]

I think I used up all my luck.

[@kiwicarparts]

Brain, knowledge and new technology is the best combination for good car mechanic!

[@jdm2651]

Really liked your approach to both the AI angle of this video, and your general everyday work. Thanks and all the best.

[@EricWyllys]

I agree with the search engines have become almost useless because I get so much garbage every time I’m looking for something that I give up most times. Good video 👍👍👍👍👍

[@SHrEdCiTy100]

I'm a mechanic myself and everyday I have to diag SOME kind of electrical problem on a vehicle and I've actually used some of the ideas, theories and processes that you do in your videos! You sir are a pioneer in the auto industry for self employed techs

[@Chrisdownsyt]

I’m having an issue with signal voltage on an infinity I’ve ran a new circuit back to the ecu and replaced the ecu any chance you might be able to assist in where I should be looking next

[@tannerharris5217]

@@Chrisdownsytask chatgpt

[@BlueTechRS]

⁠@@Chrisdownsyt not a trained mechanic, but are you sure the alternator works? It doesn't matter if an ECU is broken or not if it doesn't get the generated voltage needed to work with. Maybe check your fuse box as well. Make sure the power gets to the proper place first.

[@renkemam]

Exellent subject, very good analysis of ChatGPT. Thanks, Marten

[@lesterblanche1184]

Hi Wes greetings from South Africa. Man it takes a special person to work on vehicles in the salt belt. You are a master mechanic!!

[@shanesgettinghandy]

Thank you for all the work you put in to these videos and continuing to do so. I know this was a "1.1" hour job book time that you did in like fifteen minutes, but really you did it in like 5 hours, or more, considering all the filming, editing, thumbnail, uploading and etc... I'm just trying to say thank you, because we love this content, and I am a happy Patreon contributor because of it. You're inspiring, I'm doing the same, albeit part time, and I have a long ways to go and a lot to learn. Keep it up Wes.

[@WatchWesWork]

I spent more like 25 hours making this video. That doesn't even count fixing the car. Thanks for your help!

[@dennis2376]

@@WatchWesWork Och! Thank you.

[@Brad.whatthe]

@@WatchWesWorkI wonder if AI could work out the hourly rate you get paid for the vid

[@GrayRaceCat]

@@Brad.whatthe 🤣🤣🤣

[@ThePhoenix198]

@@GrayRaceCat Judging by Wes's comments regarding ChatGPT's lack of ability at math, I daresay it would get that wrong!

[@owenvogelgesang7314]

ChatGPT, like the internet commenters it was trained on, always seems 100% convinced that it's right, and even when it's making stuff up it still "speaks" as though it's sure it's telling you the truth. Great video Wes, glad that AI isn't taking our jobs any time soon 😂

[@don2deliver]

Mechanics are often convinced they are correct until proven otherwise. But you have to keep asking yourself what you learned from being wrong.

[@supergeekjay]

Haha, you just summed up the computer version of a narcissist!!

[@intraterrestrial69]

lol yeah it's very relatable. People do that all the time!

[@alexanderkupke920]

Seems AI falls for the Dunning Kruger Effect quite easily. The problem is, as soon as AI is trained on something on a topic, AI may not know how much or how little it really knows on that topic, while we hopefully realize that we just scratched the surface and there is more to it. Sometimes people knowing only very little use what little they know with more confidence than a real expert would show, that is what the Dunning Kruger effect describes. If we don´t fall for it, as we know that we only have limited knowlede on a subject, that is what makes us question our decisions to a degree and makes us learn more on it. As AI has data, but no information on how accurate and complete that data is, will answer in full confidence. You may just get a preprogrammed warning regarding the limited database. And this is something AI might possibly never learn, as it can only work on data it has. if it gets more data, it gets wider "knowledge" but AI will never question its dataaset. Otherwise AI would have to question every answer it gives, not knowing what more might be there. In a best case scenario AI can try a prediction on the reliability of the answer, based on how much different sources it knows and what the variation among those sources is or if there are contradicting sources after all. Also For a lot of things I do not think AI will take our jobs very soon. Maybe for the one or the other Agent on a support chat, possibly. but when it comes to industrial production, as long as AI cannot build a factory and build robots to make products, or to build houses or do plumibing, electric, HVAC work etc, I don´t think AI will replace a grat number of jobs. I would more be worried about jobs in fields like Accounting, controllling etc, but then, who will rely soelly on AI without controlling AI. I see AI and its capabilities more like a tool we may use in the future and that for sure at some point will change how we work. But it will not replace our work.

[@woopimagpie]

It's been programmed and trained by humans, it's not really a surprise it behaves in a similar fashion. Those with neither intelligence nor education shout very loudly, whilst those with both stay silent. Pretty much the opposite of what's needed to make existence bearable.

[@jimiwadnola1323]

I just found your channel I really like the way you work and the structure of your videos you got a new subscriber from me

[@davidanderson2393]

I got a pretty good chuckle out of this video, GM used that motor in a number of vehicles. A friend had one with all the mentioned codes, car looked new but with 200,000 highway miles. It's easy to get some money invested bye the time you replace valve cover, intake manifold, turbo w/cracked exhaust housing, and other emissions related valves. After getting the engine whipped into shape I asked him how many times he had the trans serviced in the 200,000 miles, blank stare, not a good answer.

[@terryrogers1025]

You are not going to have to worry about being replaced young man. As always, good video sir, appreciate your time

[@alm5727]

I luv your vids, you r right about the net, I always learn something about Auto Tech when I watch, Thanks Wes

[@davidblaauw1806]

Best channel of this nature on the whole of YT, great work!

[@WatchWesWork]

Here's a link to the ChatGPT query: chat.openai.com/share/e4f50a10-164e-46bb-82d9-0841f6731131 Thanks for watching and special thanks to the folks who support us on Patreon at patreon.com/watchweswork

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

ChatGPt is also good at sounding super confident even if the information it provides is wrong

[@TheOtherBill]

Basically like some HS teachers I knew.

[@zukowski2023]

Had to do the exact same pipe swap on my daughters Trax, I swapped the pipe and O2 sensor all in one go and it went smoothly, new copper plated nuts and all. She says the car has a marked improvement in performance now that the leak and O2 sensor are working in harmony. Thanks for letting me look over your shoulder Wes. Cheers Sir!

[@dpaulak]

P.C.V=Designed vacuum leak. ~information is always helpful no matter what source it was generated from, as long as you apply it correctly.

[@markfowler2066]

I've watched you, Wes for years and I really felt the need to thank you for your effort to consistently make along the best content on KZbin. You are a national treasure...

[@thomasfrancis5747]

Can we make it global?

[@goofyfoot2001]

I have only gotten excuses from Chatgbt of why it can't answer my questions.

[@BoB-Dobbs_leaning-left]

@@goofyfoot2001 Try formulating your questions in a more understandable way. There are, actually, companies that formulate "Prompts" that are more easily understood by AI systems. Formulating easily understood queries also helps when communicating with humans.

[@craigrinehart968]

Wes, I absolutely love the way you figure everything out. AI doesn't stand a chance with you around. Keep up the great work and wonderful videos. Thanks

[@edsecorr7812]

Great job keep up the great work Neal said your the best love your videos thank you

[@Supermarine0Spitfire]

Hi Wes, thanks for all of your videos. I may not understand most of what you work on, but your presentation and reasoning have helped give me confidence when I work on my vehicles.

[@garybrugone433]

You definitely are my favorite channel to watch !!! Love the way you explain things in detail. Stay blessed. And good Outro Max..

[@oddwad6290]

Your video and opinions are excellent from start to finish . 😊

[@craigtegeler4677]

Good job Wes! I think that you killed it on this job!

[@andrewl9472]

I think the key for chatGPT is understanding what it really is and was made to do. Like you said, it is a language model and the things it is good at make sense. It’s also really good at giving an answer that sounds good, even if it’s bogus, since it doesn’t actually understand the information. I’m doing some work on training an AI/whatever you want to call it model on some pretty specific technical stuff and it is tedious and requires a ton of work to even get the bare minimum training done.

[@tdf123emcee2]

Oh I work on automating code is way more involved for AI mostly because of computer resources you will need and the database needed to train the AI. I don’t think AI can replace humans, but that they can become great tools that can help humans learn a bit faster and become smarter, obvious,y if you know how to use it.

[@kenshn22828]

Well said to expand on what you said i heard a good explanation on AI while looking into the topic. "AI is good at saying what a solution should be not what it is"

[@thorsbyguy5121]

Hey Wes, I imagine a dedicated AI automotive diagnostic tool will come along pretty soon. Between live data capture, current fault codes, service data and TSBs, AI auto diagnostic tools could be a real boon. People will still be needed to find bad U-joints and broken exhaust hangers, but I bet half a dozen strategically located chassis vibration recorders gathering vehicle history could indicate a lot of those sort of faults too.

[@user-he6nc1ds3b]

I agree - a very interesting line of thought. The data collected should be owned by the car owner too - so that s/he can exploit it and be rewarded for creating it and trading it back to the manufacturer or to other other vehicle owners directly.

[@presuntoequeijo]

@@user-he6nc1ds3b more like a checkbox on the contract.

[@BoB-Dobbs_leaning-left]

@@user-he6nc1ds3b Why can't you be part of the solution rather than part of the problem? The internet was designed for free exchange of information, not as a profit making scheme. There are plenty of ways to make money from the internet without co-opting the freedom of information.

[@Motocicleiros]

Actually not. The "dedicated AI" era is a past thing and it was declared dead in the day when Google unveiled the project "Transformer" that literally unleashed ChatGPT and other big generic AI. In short we have turned the page and we are living now the "generic AI" era and this is what allowed the quantum leap of AI in the latest 5 years because is exactly the fact of it not being "dedicated" that it allows it to be so smart. The counterpart is this is what turns the AI so dangerous for human civilization: very quickly it will become so exponencially smarter than us and will take the control. In fact it is already happening right now while you read this, in the minimal things that you consider harmless like your smartphone, your TV, your computer, your smartwatch, surveilance cameras, etc. In fact we are already trapped in this technology mousetrap and we stepped into it by our own will. In 5 years we won't recognize the world as we know anymore. The good part is that we don't have to concern about this because there is nothing that can be done to revert it: we already passed the return point a few years ago.

[@bigbodykarate6403]

i disagree , ai cant do 90 percent of the labor , it isnt going to build an engine or transmission for you , its not going to diagnose any car older than 2012 which is what ALOT of people are still driving . How is Ai going to find an oil leak ? how is it going to know if you blew a head gasket??? how is it going to do a valve adjustment on a honda with feeler gauges that you literally need a humans sense of touch and depth perception/ tension to complete ??? there are alot of tasks that just cant be delegated out without completely changing how engines and literally the entire industry is built . and even then youll still have mechanics building all the custom stuff for all the enthusiasts and track people

[@austinorth5549]

This is the only video on Chat GPT worth watching. But you sir make a great video. Thank you.

[@jhuntosgarage]

With you on all points here. Thanks for sharing, Wes.

[@bejay69]

You never fail to entertain and inform, thanks Wes. 👍

[@AGFL83]

Thank you for making this video. I make these same statements to my spouse all the time and she just looks at me like I'm crazy. It's frightening how many people are mindlessly controlled by marketing.

[@declaredjeans7555]

This was a cool video! Thanks, from a former VAG mechanic!

[@shergillfamily7983]

Brother I love your attitude and the way you make these sarcastic videos😂 Keep it up. I really enjoyed. Thank you

[@jayman4095]

I honestly lost track at this point on how many times I have had to work on Chevy Sonics and the Trax for these the same exact problems, well over 20 at least especially those damn flex pipes... Illinois just doing what Illinois does with its road salt just blowing holes in our ships. At least that repair is a lot easier than what I'm currently doing, changing exhaust manifolds and gaskets on an 89 F150... I'm taking bets on how many bolts break lol. Definitely a cool video👍

[@davidsmith7653]

I tried ChatGPT at calculating the centripetal force acting on a person at the equator which is about half a pound and it got all the equations right but calculated the wrong answer five times in a row. One of the answers was many times the weight of the person so he'd fly into the air. I already knew the right answer from an online calculator so I just kept telling it to try again and it apologised and screwed it up again. It's very good at other stuff but it boggles the mind that the one thing a computer can't do is calculate.

[@All_Will_Be_Crab]

That's because the way it works is just predicting the next word based on probability. If you use gpt4, it can do math because of a Wolfram alpha plugin.

[@user-io4sr7vg1v]

The calculation cant work anyway because gravitational theory is no good. The earth cannot be spinning we would be in a centrifuge like environment where most light things are blown away from the surface of the earth.

[@davidsmith7653]

@@user-io4sr7vg1v Back under your rock troll.

[@yeahitskimmel]

​@@user-io4sr7vg1vlolol at gravity doesn't exist I guess😂😂

[@mistertjon]

Super interesting and never done before by any car channel 👌🏽

[@tylerjordan6322]

I enjoy your program more than any other Wes you do a fine job and in terms of being a mechanic you're like the creme-de-la-creme. As far as online forums I remember when it was AOL and they were actually understandable and you could actually use them.

[@robertcrossley9803]

Great video. Well presented content. Never disappointed with your channel. Thanks for taking the time.

[@neonaffliction]

I listened to you at the ending and you are right, what I've done for past couple of years is just to add "reddit" at the end to at least see people talking about the problem or whatever I googled but it seems like with the API changes to reddit that might go bad as well. Cheers man

[@WatchWesWork]

Yeah it seems to be a raging dumpster fire at the moment.

[@Daniel14550]

I've noticed that what you get out of it really depends on what you give to it. I've been enjoying asking it to write science fiction stories and it will write five hundred words of boring if you say, "Write a story about Tony going to the playground". You have to give it everything that you want Tony to do and see along his walk there and back home to make it entertaining. It can't be your imagination for you. The same is similar with asking questions. The more specific you are about what you want the better.

[@oneoldmansgarage7880]

Dude I bought my first car at 12 years old, that was 52 years ago. I trained in a technical college at 18. My first job out of school was at a Cadillac dealership in 1979. I was trained by a really old dude (like me), and also GM training facilities in Washington DC and Charlette, NC. All that being said, just to say, in all that time I have never seen a guy with such a grasp on how things worked. You should take that as a huge compliment, because I have seen some s**t over they years, and I am a perfectionist. We need more guys like you in the world! Yes I am way behind. No AI can not think like a human, and never replace us.

[@user-lg5dr3lx5c]

Obviously you are cut above many machines, good job. I love your class room style

[@DaveImagery]

Another awesome vid from Wes! I've learned so much from his videos.

[@HogshooterHotrods]

Wow AI trying to diagnose engine issues, pretty wild stuff there! Glad you made this video for us to look at Wes view of the coming technology!

[@Cinual]

randomly stumbled on this video, you're a pretty smart cookie.

[@FootageFactory]

This is exactly the type of research we need if we want to do more high end work!

[@karlhelgeson7090]

Hey Wes keep up the good work I love watching your videos even the electronic billiard videos cuz it kind of helps me sometimes if I have a wiring problem I love your videos Man

[@IITrevorII]

Love your videos Wes, it inspires me to work on my old POS 01 RAM 1500.

[@mickblock]

It's like a really good search engine. With well formatted output.

[@irishn8]

You so right about needing a confidence level. I’ve asked it to do that and it kinda worked for that one thread. Also it just a matter of time before Chat gpt results are cluttered with ads and sponsored links.

[@douglasfogerty7153]

Good overview. I suspect over time, this technology will mature or get bought up and destroyed. The internet (dumpster fire) is a great example. Great, diverse content.

[@timhelton5615]

What do I think? I think that it’s a bright spot in the week when I see a video from Wes. Always entertaining while being informative. No way in hell any AI will replace an original like Wes!!!

[@leserickson7057]

Very good, like your deciphering and calling a spade a spade.

[@Lesardah]

Just wanted to chime in on my VERY narrow experience with ChatGPT. I use it every single day. As you said, it's fantastic with programming. Its ability to convert natural language to code and even integrate your own variables is fantastic. I've also learned some new PowerShell techniques. I come from a long line of scripting languages (20+ years of large-scale Identity Management and MS AD experience), so getting rid of older bad habits I've picked up from batch programming, to VBScripting, to Python, and now Powershell. It's been great with most of the war history stuff I throw at it as well. I think your assessment is spot-on. Appreciate your multi-disciplined perspective. Like I mentioned, mine is super narrow. Cheers, brudda.

[@Farm_fab]

Someone asked chat gpt what color blue was, and got some strange things for results, like "blue is a primary color", or "blue is a color in the visible spectrum", but it also said it didnt understand the question.

[@JoakimMiller67]

I think you are so right about ChatGPT and AI hype it brought along, plus the state of the internet. Once again I am impressed by your knowledge and insight in all kinds of things.

[@Skylersteel]

Lots Of knowledge you have my friend good content as well

[@XNoSpacesX]

I would argue this actually was really helpful. Someone who is wrenching at home with not too much knowledge may be able to diagnose some of the issues they have using GPT.

[@wesleypulkka7447]

Thanks for questioning the hype! Since you had already found the issues it was interesting to see how AI approached the problem. Since we are stuck in the age of truthiness it's refreshing to get some factual feedback and a reality check! Great video!

[@WilliamWallace14051]

One of the few ChatGPT videos out there, other than Computerphile that points out it is a language model. Great job Wes.

[@OccultOdysseyGamingGalaxies]

What I've noticed using gpt is, for a detailed response, a detailed question must be supplied to the system. It's conversational. Cool video 😎

[@stephenwilson7641]

Hi Wes! Thanks for a great show. I remember back around 1968 when Sun Automotive introduced what they called a Master Diagnosis system. It was based on data from Master Mechanics who were asked, "When you see / hear this, what do you do?" It sort of worked, but most mechanics just scoffed at it. That was also when every gas station had one or two actual mechanics working there. Back then a computer (PDP-9) was the size of three filing cabinets. Today we have computer based diagnosis systems that interface to onboard data logging systems to provide, at least, the data you need to get started. So-called AI is just the next logical step. The question to my mind is whether the engines will become so simple and cheap that they are replaceable as a whole or we run out of people who like to work on mechanical things. If the former, there will be no need for automotive AI; if the second, it will be indispensable. Keep up the good work. It is the highlight of my week.

[@WatchWesWork]

We're basically there. No one rebuilds engines anymore. They get a reman from a large facility that is basically a factory, or they just buy used.

[@Nick-bb4nk]

I figure we'll stop being able to fix things before we run into either of your scenarios

[@daleolson3506]

They want electric watch all the brown outs this summer. Idiots

[@CubbyTech]

HA! The leaky valve gasket lubricated the exhaust flange bolts just enough to let you un-bolt them without surgery!

[@capatheist]

Lol that tripped me out… right when he said “is that an aeroplane?” There was one flying over my house…. I’m like “yeah it is… and it sounds really clear!”

[@AdamVest]

Extremely creative video topic Wes. You ARE kinda smart!

[@williambaldwin9346]

I am using it right now, it is very good a lot of different things. It can give you detaied step by step directions on how do a service, or bake a cake.

[@biggestbog]

I think this could definitely be helpful for independent shops. I'm a GM technician at a GMC dealership so i can just use the service manual to lookup those dtcs and follow a flow chart and lookup diagnostic tips easily. Definitely a cool concept, but i doubt it'll change much at least at the dealer level

[@BLYFACTOR]

You fix a lot of p0016 codes?

[@biggestbog]

@@BLYFACTOR not a bunch of that one in particular. I'm mostly doing 15-a and brake steering suspension

[@MrSkrifle]

Independent shops have access to diagnostic information. At least, The decent ones that pay for that access

[@frontagulus]

Studied AI (well, neural networks really) in 1997/8 and from what I can see, nothing has changed about the tech in any major way, but now with the internet, it has access to untold amounts of data. Because it's machine-based, it can remember all that stuff. So it's basically a big rememberer

[@WatchWesWork]

Right. I remember them talking about AI in the early 90s. Movies like Jurassic Park or the X files were all about it.

[@dubtendergaming8123]

thankyou for sharing your knowledge!

[@sinisternm]

this is the first conversation i had with chat gpt. trying to diagnose my jeep wranglers high idle, lol. great minds my man.

[@yamashirogumi]

Great video! I agree that ChatGPT is excellent for programming. For math, it's on par with tools like Symbolab and catching up with Wolfram; I ask it to write in latex and use an extension to parse it, very nice!. Nowadays, I mostly use It as a replacement for Google when I need information unrelated to current events. It would be interesting to feed it with forums/data sheets/manual info to make it a better mechanic companion. Browsing forums and FB groups is a nightmare, unfortunately there is no easy solution to scrape most of them for useful information.

[@mattmopar440]

I just worked on one of these for a friend and I had all those same codes and it wound up being the PCV valve stuck open but since it's molded into the valve cover it wound up costing quite a bit more that it should have

[@mattmopar440]

Yeah same problem this one was screaming when it was running so no need to get out the smoke machine

[@wesleyjamison4867]

Hey, Wes from the south here! Great job in explaining and showing everything. I do these valve covers all the time on euro cars. I agree with you about the AI doing diagnostics but it will never replace an experienced tech. I bet if the AI had all service information and TSB's it would work better rather than random web answers.

[@FlatThunder]

I had no idea.....Reminds me of (certain) dealership mechanics who can only diagnose an issue if its specifically listed in a TSB. I'll have to check it out sometime. Fun video Wes! 👍😁

[@tdkrei]

I agree with you on the AI issue, not right now. It was a big todo in the machine manufacturing industry too (machinist) however it has come closer in that arena than any other with CNC mills, lathes and grinders with automated pick and place equipment. Thanks again and, keep on smiling.

[@WatchWesWork]

I worked in CNC manufacturing for years. People vastly underestimate how easy or even possible real automation is.

[@falksweden]

It is interesting stuff, and a lot of using these tools is having experience of using it, just like another tool. I actually tried it with the information in the video. The codes and the car make, and followed up with just what Wes mentioned it didn't do, so I specifically asked for known problems with the Chevy Trax where these codes were in combination, and got the gasket as number one and the sensor as number three. The MAF sensor as number two. I dont believe it will replace anyone doing the work, but a person that knows how to use AI as a tool will replace the guy that doesn't.

[@Discretesignals]

Exactly. If AI is a tool that can make your job easier, why not use it as long as you remain the final decision maker.

[@WatchWesWork]

Interesting. I guess I should have poked it a little harder.

[@falksweden]

@@WatchWesWork The language models are quite fascinating. I've learned that it is possible to control the behavour of ChatGPT quite a lot. I started out with telling it to act like a professional automotive diagnostic technician. It is also possible to tell it to be strict or creative. Interesting video idea, I just started to try to diagnose a problem with the audio fiber network in my Mercedes. 👍

[@travislizer9581]

Subscribed, great to see a tech getting after it. That being said, welding, keep it clean, and I've found that a little more wire out helps with lighter gage metal.

[@Mike-Sharkey]

I think you nailed it pretty much.

[@eskieguy9355]

I feel, like a shade tree mechanic (or a young person just learning) might find these suggestions useful. I have no doubt that every mechanic knows lots of things, but I don't believe there's a public-ally accessible database of those things, and I don't know if all the TSBs are out there either. I'm going to say, that based on other things ChatGPT has answered, those answers were actually pretty good.