Can Crime Fiction Inspire the Perfect Crime? & Celebrities Dodging Jury Duty | Q&A

[@christopherhart2367]

I had no idea I was so interested in this type of content but when I saw Richards name I had to give it a go… Thanks so much I’m now addicted, thank you to you both.

[@bobcousins4810]

Same here, it's the dream combo I didn't know I needed!

[@willyum3920]

same happened to me. I don't even own a tv or have any interest in celebrities or reality tv or netflix etc but the insight into the industry is fascinating and they are both great.... so annoying because I'm hooked and already have a million pods to keep up with.

[@FairySweetness]

Same. I'll be interesting in anything he does. I want sure and now I'm playing catch up

[@lynnhamps7052]

Absolutely ditto! 😊👍🇬🇧

[@mariettesluyter]

agreed, it is a wonderfully compelling show. We are hooked

[@fiona-lyons]

I've only discovered this channel recently and already I'm addicted. Both Richard and Marina are so clever and erudite but not at all off putting. I love their personalities but what really makes this work is that they seem genuinely interested in each other and they give each other time to fully expand on a topic. So many interview and podcasts are full of short turns and interruptions. This is bliss.

[@johnlochness]

I absolutely love that phrase “we don’t want to rebuild the plane mid flight”. New to me. I worked in IT on major infrastructure projects for 25 years and if I was still there I would use that phrase at least once a week. 😄😄😄

[@TonyP_Yes-its-Me]

I work in a hospital, and last week I overheard a group of doctors and nurses discussing the best way to dispose of a body. Either they had all seen something on Netflix, or they had weird plans for the weekend.

[@AndySurtees]

Oprah Winfrey was on a jury in 2004 that convicted a man for murder. Loads of other celebs have been. considered for jury duty but didn't continue to the end.

[@PatrickKelly-lz3pv]

I had just started back to work after the twelve month miners strike in 1984, having witnessed the despicable behaviour of the police all through that year, when i received my letter to attend jury duty at Middlesbrough i wrote to the court and truthfully told them i would not be able to believe a word the police said even under oath, I was told I had to attend under threat of prosecution, all the my fellow jurors got to sit on various cases I sat in the room in the court on my own and was never used.

[@FloatingAnarchy61]

I was on jury service with Richard Madeley. Unfortunately he rather undermined the gravitas of the situation by turning up in an Ali G costume. I don't even want to get into what happened when we sent him to the shops to get a bottle of wine😂

[@lord123j]

"Interludes, hijinx & random outbursts ensure. A Romp for the whole family!" - Tatler

[@thebagelsproductions]

Ha! 😂

[@garethgriffiths1674]

A counter example to the film production "over shoots" is multi-award winning Finnish "auteur" director Aki Kaurismäki. He rarely makes more than one shot of each scene. He not only writes the film, but directs and edits it.

[@andrewcrosbie7099]

3:20 a sitcom like Night Court but with a focus on a new jury each week, including guest stars, sounds fun 👍🏻

[@Lyanraw]

I studied media and hated every second of it when not making films. I would have loved every second if the discussions were anything like this podcast

[@Claire-h5t]

This has been the best episode so far! Absolutely loved it! Thank you The Rest Is Entertainment! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 xx

[@robovac3557]

Great stuff. Both so knowledgeable about what they're talking about. The lady who is unknown to me is so good.

[@jforeman1988]

A friend of mine was in court as a witness to a mugging. Mark Kermode was in the jury. It was an open and shut case. Kermode observed the proceedings in silence and presumably voted the right way. That is all.

[@thebagelsproductions]

Throw in a gag about German expressionism, and you've got yourself a helluva an anecdote

[@babettesfeast6347]

It could have been an Exorcist case. The devil made him do it

[@0ri0n_Atlas]

So, to follow up in the bands making money question from a music photographer. Generally speaking with touring it's often a loss-leading exercise right up until you get to the 700-900 capacity venues. As for when you can start touring, it really depends on your act, if you're trying to be the next big guitar band then you can only improve by being on the road and getting new fans from word of mouth or opening for bigger acts. An example I will give, the manchester punk band Witch Fever opened for My Chemical Romance's show at the Milton Keynes Bowl and were paid £200 for them. They're a 4 piece, had to pay for a van rental and their tour manager as well as the usual expenses of food, fuel and maintenance. If anyone wants to read more and/or support grassroots music, the music venue trust is a fantastic organisation that helps out small local venues and bands who perform in them.

[@michaelrobson3460]

That's a shocker. There used to be "sign on's" where the label bought their band on to a tour, through the management company then that money would go to alleviate the cost of the tour. Even then no artists were getting paid. Peter Capaldi tells a story where he booked a band as support for his band and had to do a runner because there was no cash left to pay them. You get a million bonus points for the name of the band left out of pocket and 1 for the name of Peter Capaldi's band. 2 for the name of the drummer.

[@thebagelsproductions]

Oh, go on, tell us!

[@michaelrobson3460]

Cocteau twins

[@chrismorgan7794]

Having worked on alot of feature films, I can atest that reshoots are hardly ever contracted, for crew or talent whose deals are tightly negotiated for the duration of the shoot. They are shot often weeks or months later. Reshoot units are often alot smaller and often employ some original crew in promoted positions a 2nd AD 1st ADing the reshoots, an assistant production mgr being the production mgr for the extra shoot days. Also directors often shoot footage that is re-edited and changed with extra scenes are added for certain markets( esp China) and also to fit in with studio policies to conform to test screenings or audience tests Big fallouts after reshoots are not uncommon.. The extra costs are added on top of the shoot costs but more often than not there will be a contingency line in the original budget. For the Paul Greengrass movies, like the Bourne series, that rely on motion and chases in particular they factor in alot of coverage and make sure they can improvise to keep spontaneity and make a tonne of footage that needs to be cut over much longer to make sense. This costs alot more money but in the opinion of the director rewards the film with an immediacy that adds to the film experience. Greengras came from a documentary background and his style embodies a motion of the camera that takes the audience with it in an orchestrated spontaneous way.

[@mcolville]

Disney doesn't make movies, they produce movies. They don't start with a script and figure out who's going to direct it, who will star in it. They start by greenlighting the movie based on the brand and a release date. They put a package together, including a writer, actors, director. THEN they go into production and START writing the script. They made many billions of dollars with this strategy and convinced themselves they had "solved" movies and it would never end. But the thing about movies is; no one knows anything. You might trick yourself into thinking "we have figured out how to only make hits" and you might get audiences to go along with it for a while, but audiences are *fickle* and tastes change and now Disney is scrambling to figure out how to pull out of the filmic nose dive they're in. At the end of the day, Disney isn't a movie studio, they're an amusement park company with a film production department. They make more money off of attendance from park goers who want a Marvel themed event ride than they do off Marvel movies.

[@Ben-n7l]

And here's us lot thinking it was Mickey and Donald who wrote all the scripts

[@hayden9521]

Didn't expect to see Matt Colville commenting on a podcast about the british entertainment industry. I have been watching since the early running the game videos.

[@willyum3920]

I think Marvel also decide what the third act actions scenes are before the script and start creating them to give the CGI teams as much time as possible. That what was going on when they were doing 3 movies per year in particular and why for example in the Black Widow movie they are suddenly and incongruously on a sky base when the rest of the film is a family comedy drama. They decided the last scene on the film would be on a skybase, got going creating that and then wrote the movie..... still not enough time for Ray Winston's russian accent lessons but never mind

[@jonathanmantle2364]

Thanks

[@MrHarbonaut]

I'd love to see Richard Madeley on the jury for a shoplifting case!

[@billswifejo]

Thinking of cast members who knew their characters well, I remember Arthur Bostrum who played the policeman in the comedy series ‘Allo ‘Allo talking about this. For those who don’t know, Officer Crabtree was an Englishman who was working as an undercover policeman with the French Resistance. His French wasn’t very good, and as the programme was all in English this was portrayed by him speaking mangled English in a French accent. (Possibly inspiring the vowel movement round on Richard’s House of Games) The script editor gave him some lines, and he told them that Officer Crabtree wouldn’t say the lines like that and then provided the line as the character would say it.

[@dominicbriggs2418]

Richard is fucking amazing how happy he is with a good answer his joy

[@johnmightymole2284]

Your anuashamed promotion of your brother's book won't stop me from buying it. You said it's good, I believe you.

[@Cchogan]

The music question was very interesting. There was one thing left out and that was things like KZbin. But NOT just putting your music on there. The royalty take from streaming is so small it is a joke. How they make money is by being "content makers." So, they have to offer lots more. A bit of day-in-my-life, doing an acoustic cover, behind the scenes, reactions to other music makers, anything to get those social media views as high as possible. It is far more complicated, and really something that only works if the band/artist is independent of a contract. In the meantime, organisations like the Performing Rights Society work endlessly, fighting the huge digital media companies trying to get something for their members, and all that happens is that many of Jo-public call them greedy. Maddening!

[@evilcorp]

I'm more than OK with only getting an episode every three of four weeks, I mark that as a Good Thing. The other Good Thing is that if I (assumedly ((rightly so)) ) am right in thinking), along with everyone who watches this show thinks - 'I want the deep stuff!' Then just having a show every few weeks means a far heigher algo weighting than recency (btw). Look, dont break your backs, just post an episode when you have one, we'll be here. ( you dont have to post every week, its fine).

[@AnnieRose95]

Taylor Swift very famously did jury service 😂😂

[@KristineMaitland]

I happened on Dame Sue Black on KZbin. She knows her stuff and is an amazing lecturer.

[@electricmohair]

I feel like past a certain level of fame, there’s no way you could voice opinions in the same way. if I’m on a jury and think the guy’s innocent, but paul mccartney thinks he’s guilty and wants to push for a death sentence? I’m just nodding along, I don’t want to be the person who disagrees with a beatle.

[@AngelicusImmortus]

Couldnt be Madeley, he's been found guilty of shoplifting. Therefore a criminal record, as he did it as an adult. Therefore, he cant serve on a jury.

[@TheLoveOfTracks]

Great episode

[@NinaGray-eq9on]

There are musical artists who are managing to have careers, entirely independent, spreading their work via the likes of KZbin and tiktok, it's not just legacy/heritage acts, the few very attractive pop poppets that the industry push & yes, touring is heavily relied upon, as it should be (if you can't perform your work live, what's the point in what you do) and a lot of indie level artists make a living this way, though there are more ways. Tin-pan-alley type operations are more noticeable again, though they have always been there - this doesn't stop quality musicians being able to make a living.

[@MrOtistetrax]

The unfortunate reality is that many, many murderers get away with it. So many unsolved missing persons cases. What do you think happens to all those kids that go missing every year? I think it’s kind of sad that we turn “murder mystery” into entertainment.

[@jakobthelibrarycard6261]

If the stories are fiction wether they're novels or films I don't really see the harm. Nobodies misfortune has been monetised. Also it's almost human nature to be curious about an unsolved mystery and hypothetise.

[@campbellfulton5602]

I was on a dury once and was so disappointed no celebs also on it

[@johnpotts8308]

There are two problems with applying "the perfect murder" to real life. Firstly, it perpetuates the idea of murders as intricately planned events. In the vast majority of cases, they aren't, they're either entirely random (eg. a drunken fight that results in a death) or spur of the moment happenings (eg. an abused partner snaps and kills her abuser). Secondly, fiction presents murder as a puzzle to be solved - we have our pool of suspects and a set of clues (and red herrings) and we try to find an answer that provides the most narratively satisfying solution. But that's not how the police work: they start with who they think did it and try to prove it was them. If I seem very happy my millionaire brother is dead and immediately take off to the Seychelles, they're going to assume it was me even if I left no forensic evidence and have seemingly unimpeachable proof I was a hundred miles away at the time the murder took place.

[@thebagelsproductions]

The Usual Suspects has a good line about the police minsdet: "If you got a body and you think the brother did it, yer gonna find out you're right"

[@sie4431]

Richard should have asked this judge if any celebrities had served to get knowledge

[@grammapolice]

The Coen Brothers’ and Kubrick’s shooting ratios were remarkably low. So it is possible to shoot economically.

[@Valentine82]

If the glove don’t fit you must acquit!

[@EastyyBlogspot]

Do u think budgets for films will reduce, costs are spiralling and hearing lady gaga got paid 12 million for joker 2 which is almost as much as godzilla zero cost to make is mad and surely not sustainable, also is cgi more expensive then practical effects nowdays ?

[@treacleb4149]

Hi guys where do I post a question to you please

[@bobcousins4810]

I enjoyed doing jury duty, but I was lucky to get a trial in the Old Bailey on a notable case.

[@papamurrth1]

Honest question, are you sworn to not talk about a case in which you serve as a juror in perpetuity? Or is there a time when you will be able to divulge details about a trial? For instance, there's been interviews with OJ Simpson jurors but that is the American system.

[@bobcousins4810]

@@papamurrth1Hi, after the trial jurors can talk about the case in general and their experience, but not about any deliberation that happened in the jury room.

[@philipellis7039]

The Last Dinner Party are heavily bankrolled by a management company so probably up to their armpits in debt at the moment. Not hard to imagine them on festival stages this summer and doing that for a few years and they will need to if they ever want to get make any money. My son works for a chain of venues and very few non legacy acts sell many seats, there are artists who have over stretched and given away tickets to try not to play to empty houses. Comedy and Bollywood acts tend to be the big sellers now. Many musicians have multiple income streams such as teaching, doing some sessions (the session work scene as it was having largely disappeared), touring for agreed wages (so the financial risk is carried elsewhere), product endorsement, KZbin channels,etc. Playing an instrument in a band and nothing else is a tiny number of people now.

[@thelibrarianofalexandria6200]

I always thought the best way to kill was to make it look like an accident.

[@thebagelsproductions]

I believe that slow poisoning is the preferred method of people who actually get away with murder

[@cariad4297]

You could not be more wrong when you referenced defending against liable in the USA, in most US states even if you win your case you still have to pay your own legal fees. So civil law is the USA comes down to who has the deepest pockets, which is why the term Lawfare originated here..

[@Bricksmouth]

How about if it was someone like Elton John who was called for jury duty? That’s a little different to the level of Lorraine Kelly and David Beckham

[@stuartbadminton]

Late to the party, but no body no crime. What are the police going to do, charge me for not being hungry?

[@lisakinney7043]

This was quite a while back, but I was just listening to Michael Palin’s Diaries and he was on jury duty, and served as a juror, in Feb. 1981. Of course, Palin is pretty down to earth, so might not be the best example. And most probably thought he was Eric Idle!

[@lukem118]

Kristen Stewart was on a jury in the US a few years ago and got in bother for taking a selfie with a fan during the case. Whoops!

[@hazy33]

Madeley would certainly be able to supply the wine! Am I right viewers??

[@debbywillan5165]

Give those millions to writers instead of production companies, nah not logical.

[@jakobthelibrarycard6261]

If they begin filming a Marvel movie before they know how it will end how the hell all those movies interconnected? I don't watch any of those films so maybe the plots are not connected. Anybody...?

[@giantpurplebrain]

Many of the plots are taken from the original comics, albeit re-written and twisted to fit. Comics used to introduce a villain, hero gets in peril, then saves the day all in one comic - but for many years now Marvel and DC tend to have plots that fit in larger arcs, such as Civil War. I can't give you an informed insider answer but every Marvel film I have seen ends in a big expensive fight - and the villain is usually a dark version of the hero - e.g. big strong Hulk fights even bigger stronger Abomination or Iron Man fights a bad guy in hi-tech armour. The movies connect as characters guest in other movies - usually to fight each other even if they go on to be friends a few minutes later. They all live in the sameuniverse. Stan Lee himself said - there is only one story!

[@lakrids-pibe]

I have absolutely no idea who Richard Madeley is, but Lorraine Kelly is lovely.

[@Kders]

Maybe so. But have you seen her grrrowler?

[@Ben-n7l]

She has a very angry growler

[@TheRealYorkshireman]

Marina is a joy to watch when she gets all excited about something. Just wondering if she is getting paid properly for all her works as she seems to have but two sets of clothes for work use. I do like the big cream coloured jumper though.

[@StudioSquidink]

Love that the thumbnail is "Could Richard Get Away With Murder?" alongside a pic of Lorraine Kelly and David Beckham - clearly, they're his intended victims! Don't trust the gloves forensics find on the scene!

[@jillb71]

What did Marina mean by her comment about juries?! Seemed rather patronising.

[@mytube001]

Didn't know the UK had the jury duty system. I thought that was something they only had in the US. In my country, you volunteer for court service (we don't have juries but a panel of judges where some have legal training and are part of the court staff and some are regular citizens) and go through a vetting process, and then you can be called upon to sit as judge for a court case.

[@bobcousins4810]

Sounds like Italy?

[@mytube001]

@@bobcousins4810 Maybe it does, but in my case, it's Sweden.

[@sie4431]

Since the US is a former British colony they got it from us, as did many other countries

[@christophernicolson5086]

Comes ultimately from Magna Carta.

[@Lezzyboy87]

Or you're a good band who writes their own stuff, off to see another soldier out tesseract gig tomorrow

[@buzzukfiftythree]

A shoplifting case before a jury? It would be handled by magistrates in 99.9% of cases

[@KristineMaitland]

And weeks after this podcast OJ Simpson is dead. Hmm.

[@Nicolchu_]

I can't stand 'Lorraine' 💧