Can H Plus Son Archetypes Go Tubeless?

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@not-fishing4730 Жыл бұрын

A decade ago when I converted a bunch of mountain bikes to tubeless, the one thing I did learn is that tubeless has to be pumped up more often than tubed. Also you're supposed to recharge the latex sealer every 9 months or so. With a High School Mt bike racing team it really made a difference with our goat head flats.

@galenkehler Жыл бұрын

That rim looks like a particularly poor choice for tubeless. The shoulder is more sloped than average, where the tubeless standard actually needs it to be flat. You're risking a sudden decompression of the tire when it's sideloaded, and this is a no-go.

@galenkehler Жыл бұрын

The fact that someone in a bike shop is willing to set this up, on camera, without a significant disclaimer, definitely takes that shop down in my opinion.

@NotFine Жыл бұрын

@johnbrann75 Жыл бұрын

I know it isn't your thing but having different bikes for different types of riding works pretty well.

@downbad9066 Жыл бұрын

that’s a hard concept to grasp for fixie foos

@event4216 Жыл бұрын

DT Swiss R460 are TL compatible and cost 2x less. Could work for people who ride without $200 seat post.

@volition5559 Жыл бұрын

i'll be honest- I respect Zach's desire to continue with the 'wrong tool for the right job' mentality, but at some point you might just want to try out things that are intended to be used. I am no roadie myself- I run a steel bike, tubeless, and do a mix of road and gravel every week. Tubeless is great. But running it on a rim that isn't designed for it is asking for trouble (plus RH tires are known to 'weep' from the sidewalls). In addition to that, you'll likely put torsional forces on the tire and rim that aren't typically experienced on normal tubeless set ups + skidding on a pair of 95 dollar tires (each) seems wild to me. I saw you suffer on the bikepacking tour because you wanted to run the same bike but on tour- maybe give things a whirl a different way. You might like it. Nonetheless, I respect it.

@miatomi Жыл бұрын

skidding a 100 dollar tire is +1000 fixie points

@volition5559 Жыл бұрын

@@miatomi It's certainly something!

@event4216 Жыл бұрын

@@miatomi Well, nice brake pads ain't cheap too.....Koolstops are $20 per set. Let's burn $90 tires to save on brakes!

@squidbeard492 Жыл бұрын

I just converted my bike to retro direct. So much fun pedaling backwards, although my legs are sore building building new muscles.

@shmuelpearl6366 Жыл бұрын

man you make fixies seem so fun. cool video!

@teddgram Жыл бұрын

Getting it to seat is the biggest hassle in the whole thing. It is a lot harder when your inner rim width is wider. e. g. I have a set of rims that have a 30mm inner width. Trying to get 50mm tires to seat tubeless is a serious PITA. 6 mm wider tires are a piece of cake. After that though, I wouldn't go back. I've had punctures and didn't even know it until minutes later when I noticed there was sealant on the frame. I pulled over, checked the tire pressure, and rolled on.

@rejanrams Жыл бұрын

What's the exact length of your spokes? and the brand as well if you dont mind?

@puncat Жыл бұрын

Hey Zach, I've had good luck running my Thunders "cx/urban" wheels tubeless with 40mm tires. No sealant burps or anything. A very solid choice for the ss/fixed rider looking for low volume tire options, I would say. After hundreds of miles of mixed commute/gravel use on this wheel the only maintenance I've needed was a sealant top up about a year after converting to tubeless. Maybe wabi can hook you up and you can have a somewhat more hassle-free experience running tubeless.

@mom_im_losing_it Жыл бұрын

I cut my brake bridge off now I’m happy!

@teunluijbregts2533 Жыл бұрын

Personal experience: anything can go tubeless, as long as you have enough ducktape 👍👍

@sdsstuning Жыл бұрын

Should do a video on Temple Cycles, they have 3 beautiful models classic single, classic lightweight and classic tour. Out of all the bikes I’ve come across these really are worth the mention.

@leebridgwater Жыл бұрын

Your looking smooth Zach

@bracket0398 Жыл бұрын

Not as bad as you think. Did Surly Ultra New hubs laced with H+Son The Hydras and capped with Schwalbe Pro Ones (which scared me!). Did the whole wheel assembly and tire inflate on my own, with tubeless stipulations, and was actually very satisfied with it. Rode that beast for two years with no problems.

@Mania4conquest Жыл бұрын

Hydras are tubeless compatible though

@bracket0398 Жыл бұрын

@@Mania4conquest mmm, yeah, if youre gonna tubeless it use the right equipment. Ghetto tubeless is not fun! I also did that wheelset for $450, so it was absolutely worth the work price wise. And tubeless rims are way more prevalent 6 years later.

@Toma_botruc Жыл бұрын

Do you think I can fit 35c tires on my wabi classic ?

@mannysauz659 Жыл бұрын

It's the way to go, been running 40mm wtb nanos tubeless for a year same wheels n hubs. It helps to use the thicker gorilla tape double rapped for easier set up n better seal that won't burp so easily.

@caluzzucarrazzi5549 Жыл бұрын

what kind of bars on the wabi?

@coreythiel504 Жыл бұрын

Listen here Zach you fricken crazy goose! I don’t know what your quaffed hair and southern Asian components have to do with anything, but ham bone boy! You done got it!

@stop223 Жыл бұрын

I don't think this setup makes a lot of sense since it will probably not be reliable. However I really enjoyed this video and I'm a fan of trying to make things work! Your bike looks super fun! I own a dedicated road, a gravel and sold my fixed geard. Everytime I see one of your videos I miss this bike but it's just so inconvenient..

@callumjefferies6085 Жыл бұрын

Inner tube sealant in the bike tube 🤌🤌

@bikesgoodgasbad Жыл бұрын

With latex tubes and the finish line latex sealant I got 4500+ miles out of a 28c GP5000 on my rear with no flats

@florianr.7023 Жыл бұрын

Personally, I have had better experiences when you pull the tyre on, then open it again at one point, fill with tubeless sealant, close it again and then inflate it. don't forget to turn it carefully before you inflate.

@chasshefchik802 Жыл бұрын

From a mechanics point of view you definitely picked the wrong tire and rim combo. Those tires barely work on tubeless compatible rims let alone on something not intended for tubeless.

@likea_b0ss509 Жыл бұрын

8:01 his face when he realizes it

@MrDonaldstepp 8 күн бұрын

For me I would try tpu tubes. They are lighter than butyl and well seems like a lot less work

@joffroyboutin7456 Жыл бұрын

I'm thinking of evetually going tubeless on my winter fixie since my rims are desingned for it, but im still waying the pros and cons.

@bavarianhero Жыл бұрын

What are your thoughts on chub hub hubs and using them for skid stopping ? I usually use 48/18 but this ratio is 48/16.

@davidyi-hsiandong3725 Жыл бұрын

48/16 is the cursed ratio

@bavarianhero Жыл бұрын

@@davidyi-hsiandong3725 at the moment I’m biking my daily and it’s 44/13. It’s hard to skid stop with. I’m more used to riding 48/18, that ratio is right for me. I skid stop a lot and that ratio I recommend to anyone.

@davidyi-hsiandong3725 Жыл бұрын

@Bavarian Hero 48/16 is cursed because it only has one skid patch. Every time you skid, the tire will be in the exact same place so you'll eventually wear through that spot. Look up a skid patch chart for reference

@vinsona20 Жыл бұрын

Without watching the video at all, yes they can. I have done it. Laced them up to some surly hubs and threw some gravel kings on there in 32 and they seated up fine. Now I’ll watch the video

@event4216 Жыл бұрын

How are holding up your Surly hubs? Are that ones with bolt-on fastening? Rear wheel not slipping in dropouts?

@vinsona20 Жыл бұрын

They held up fine. They weren’t the ultra new hubs. They were traditional bolt ons. This setup was over 4 yrs ago. I have HED track hubs laced to some Spank Wing 22 rims with Challenge Strada Biancas on them. It’s my commuter wheelset on my Mash steel commuter

@thomasvillarroel5451 Жыл бұрын

you look nice with that look dude, like ypur glasses

@TL243 Жыл бұрын

Awesome vid.

@christopherwebb3517 Жыл бұрын

It fits-ish.

@Gravelmisfit_ Жыл бұрын

This is good to know! Wonder if it will work with gator skins as well.

@Jjuls Жыл бұрын

Oh my god haha we have the same tight clearance haha

@paullacey2999 Жыл бұрын

If I puncture I fit a spare tube.....Wouldnt be wanting a flat tubeless tyre...

@angelicafernandez9831 Жыл бұрын

Hey Zach You should try trabochi track hubs they are good as dura aces but cheaper and hand Made

@eximusic Жыл бұрын

tubeless sucks. I use it on mountain bikes, but pain in the ass for road bikes.

@im_ur_remyd24 Жыл бұрын

what's with "the rock" costume tho?

@iphone343 Жыл бұрын

Im really curious to know, Where can find the front basket you have your WABI classic?

@raulduke6789 Жыл бұрын

Damn skidding with hand made tyres 😂

@event4216 Жыл бұрын

Is it true that since hubs use pressed in sealed bearings there's no real point in expensive hubs like Suzue Pro Max? As long as bearings are decent or good, they spin all the same, and can be replaced for better ones when original bearings wear out. So what do you get paying $$$ for Suzue modern hubs vs paying $ for Formula or Novatec hubs - sure, nicer bearings, but their cost is like $5 vs $1. Is that shiny Disco sticker worth it?

@franciss2529 Жыл бұрын

Probably weight and looks are the main things, and even then it won't matter that much. As long as they are machined well with good tolerances and flanges to make them stiffer, then most fixed gear hubs are the same really. You can even just swap cheap hub bearings to top quality enduro bearings yourself for just a few tens of dollars.

@event4216 Жыл бұрын

@Bebo So Taiwan based factories make forged shells, machine them to taste (in case of high flange leave flanges solid, or cut oval or round windows) and difference is mostly in bearings, axle (solid, hollow), nuts and washers? To me Miche, Halo and Dia Compe high flange hubs all seem quite similar, though price is 2x higher than Formula's. Dia Compe even uses aluminum nuts on their low flange hubs, that's too weight-weenie for me.

@event4216 Жыл бұрын

@Bebo What about Surly track hubs, are they worthy? I'm not sure bolt-on fastening is really what I need, it looks cleaner but I need rear wheel not slipping. Asked them if 6mm slim #6901 bearings they use are better that regular 8mm bearings used in Formulas, they didn't go into explanations. Internet suggests slim bearings with more of smaller balls are distributing load better thus last longer....but when they go, these slim bearings are like 4x cost of 8mm thick #6000 bearings.

@event4216 Жыл бұрын

@Bebo Well, I haven't got spare money to skid on GP tires to impress bypassing people, so I believe threads on hub will outlive me. Problem with wheel builders is they want to push their boutique hubs carved from 7005 aluminum and refusing to listen to my arguments)

@event4216 Жыл бұрын

@Bebo That's the point. I guess Surly used slimmer bearings to make hub shell without curved body between flanges to shave few grams and give a hub look like this |---| Either I'm getting old and orthodox or bike industry is moving in direction of overengineered stuff....