Can I Beat Baldurs Gate 3 [Honor Mode] with these 9 restrictions? | Ep 4

[@audinionkundesu]

I really find the role-play aspect of your party never getting to rest hilarious. Bunch of sleep deprived adventures barely able to stay awake constantly uttering 'i really need to rest' every few steps or so 😆

[@Melth]

I picture them as sounding like Ash Zombies or something from Morrowind by the end of it. "I'm so tired, LET ME SLEEP" It might be more of an unhealthy fad diet type thing considering they won't be eating either.

[@LunarEntity]

@@Melth The Sixth House brought me here, and I have not been disappointed.

[@Melth]

@@LunarEntity welcome, Moon-and-I guess-not-Star since your name isn't StellarEntity, to this channel where destiny is made

[@darthimperious1594]

@@Melth Of course you play Morrowind. How could a gamer as cultured and skilled as yourself NOT play Morrowind? ^_^

[@Melth]

@@darthimperious1594 thank you, but at the risk of destroying my perfect image (like finding out the tribunal aren't as great as they claim)- I don't actually *like* Morrowind all that much. It has an interesting story and setting for sure, but as a game I never found it fun at all.

[@spartankryze6347]

My favorite way of dealing with the paladins of Tyr is to recruit Karlach then leave her at camp and talk to the paladins. For story purposes you are just going to see their side of the story. When you get there the paladins accuse you of working with Karlach, so they attack you. This proves Karlach right and then you defeat the paladins in self-defense.

[@Melth]

I like that because then Karlach can't go on her silly rampage and set you on fire and kill your familiars!

[@Cthulhus_Mum]

I love how you explain your role play (and yes, this comment is like 99% telling the algorithm that it Done Good for recommending your channel to me lol) My own headcannon reason for fighting the paladins on my Utterly Goody-Two-Shoes honour mode run is that my tiny little half long bard was just completely *smitten* with this enormous fiery woman and would do anything she says. (Just as well we met Karlach before Minthara, really…)

[@Melth]

In hindsight, a good justification for going after the paladins is similar to the one I used to justify going after Karlach in the first place: any responsible person should want to get rid of devils/demons if you can. But that still doesn't justify Karlach's insistence that we should drop everything and go do it right away instead of working on the much more important things going on! Anyway, I'm glad you enjoy the roleplay side of this. I'm much more satisfied with the gameplay experience when I feel like I can justify my choices from an in-universe perspective (even if the justification is sometimes a little flimsy, as with knocking out Alfira)

[@townsim]

Just binged through the first 4 of these episodes. Loving the series. Excellent level of describing and commentary. Keep it up - now subbed!

[@Melth]

Glad you're enjoying it so much! I'm about to see if I can record another couple episodes today

[@gryyn]

This is one of the best commentaries for Baldurs Gate 3 I have seen. Really great job and excellent gameplay. I got sucked into this right from the first episode and will hope to see you finish this.

[@Melth]

Thanks! I hope to see me finish it too. We'll see how well I tackle the enhanced challenge of some of the bosses

[@daniellambie3498]

I really enjoy your insight on the innerworkings of this game. Looking forward to seeing how you tackle it!

[@Melth]

Thank you! I'm sure I'll keep learning more about the game along the way. Particularly if they release any more big patches that change the rules or fix bugs

[@CameronsVideo]

Karlach retains functionality for her Soul Coin mechanic across other classes. It also has no limit for how long it will last if you arent going to be resting. So one soul coin is Karlach forever on fire, doing an extra 1d4 on all of her attacks. I generally use her as a monk because of this.

[@Melth]

Isn't that only when she's at low HP if she's not raging?

[@CameronsVideo]

The tooltip is completely wrong. It works 100% of the time on unarmed attacks even still on the latest patch 5 that I just tested to make sure.@@Melth

[@Melth]

@@CameronsVideo awesome, that's good to know. I don't plan to use a monk on this run, but I'll certainly try that on a more casual one

[@sunbleachedangel]

​@@CameronsVideoit also does 2d4 on unarmed attacks instead of 1d4 so Karlach is just randomly the best monk in the game

[@archbit9169]

This is great! Some really good tips here, looking forward to act2 as I just got there. I just got the game 2 days before honor mode myself. Deleted my old campain and just got to act2 on true blind honor mode. Going slow but the excitement and stress is real when you have no clue what to expect. Great content Melth

[@Melth]

I know what you mean, since this is my first go at Honor Mode too, so I don't know exactly what twists to expect from familiar bosses.

[@عثمان-و9س]

I will keep watching until last episode, best moment of this episode was the sound of your cat purring at 40:35 😂

[@Melth]

He's a very purry cat!

[@lockeforeer]

It saves a ton of hassle if you press G to unlink the whole party any time party members aren't following you across a jump, before switching to them to jump them across, then press G again to link them all back up once you're all across. This is also a really good feature to use in or near the end of a combat in which you have dangerous concentration spells up, as it stopped them running through, say, Cloud of Daggers, in their attemp to follow the party leader; instead they all just stand where they were in the battle. (This is a tip for everyone reading the comments.)

[@Melth]

I agree about this being a good tip at the end of combat particularly. There's also a button on the left that does the same thing. I don't find it to be much of a time saver for jumping though, compared to just ungrouping the (usually one) party member who's failing to jump

[@ckirk7317]

For sure! Also Link/Unlink party without switching from your controlled character will often jump-start the AI to get them moving/jumping again. The toggle hot-bar button often works for this purpose as well use toggle hot-bar for resetting bungled AI on things like Shadowstep and abilities/spells that can get confused. Edit* to add that even if sometimes janky, overall, the AI is surprising robust for the complexity of this game.

[@Melth]

@@ckirk7317 I similarly use ungrouping and regrouping to fix allies getting stuck, but I'm unfamiliar with this hot bar trick. Would you give an example of when and how one would use it?

[@ckirk7317]

@@Melth The hotbar thing I discovered works for an issue with Shadowstep. Sometimes Shadowstep will bug out while transitioning from various light sources and just stay greyed out even when you should be able to use it. When I had this issue I did some digging to find the Hotbar fix and it works every time. In that same thread I read it mentioned fixing some other class abilities that would get stuck often as well but I can't recall the list atm. Several Ranger abilities where mentioned, mostly abilities that have to do with light sensitivity and/or height/verticality. It was a useful discovery. Just keep it in mind and try it for yourself.

[@alexarmitage3151]

I believe the amulet is speak with dead without limits. Unless you mean the hassle of having to equip it. You get to recast speak with dead after having cast it.

[@Melth]

It's supposed to be. But for me it *always* stops working at some point in the day. Never consistently and I haven't figured out the cause. It happens to Mara too

[@mouday_]

im shocked to see you dont have more subs 😮 amazing content left me craving for the next part! TYBALT APPROVES 😺😺

[@Melth]

Thank you very much! The KZbin algorith is a chaotic neutral force, and in my experience it feels very random which videos it will actually show to anyone and which ones it will bury, never to be seen again. I'm happy to have as many subscribers as I do, and also that these recent videos seem to be getting more viewers. I hope some of the new influx of viewers will check out my other challenge runs for games I'm passionate about like Age of Mythology or Dark Souls or Advance Wars

[@FluffiestWalrus]

The “All is Well” 3 Idiots reference was outstanding. Great film!

[@Melth]

I didn't love the film myself, but it struck me as a very apt joke once I realized I'd called the dead 3 three idiots

[@resonon3556]

Your game knowledge and technical play are really fun to watch! You're an amazing player. BTW I tried to take out Alfira as you did and ended up in a fight with Arron that almost TPK'd me. He ended up killing her while she was knocked out. Same with the ox, the entire grove chased me out and tried to finish me off outside the gate. Luckily I survived and I'm continuing on :D

[@Melth]

Arron killed Alfira?! I'm used to him showing up to try to defend her, but not to attack her. The ox is certainly a tricky situation, which is why I made sure I had about a 95% chance to OHKO from stealth.

[@resonon3556]

​@@Melth I was freaking out trying not to attack him at all and just get away. Alfira was knocked out and he smashed some insane AOE over her body and on my whole party. Honestly, the whole thing may have been avoided by ensuring I was in Turn-Based mode. I didn't even check the Combat Log but whatever he did was continually sapping all of my party's health.

[@resonon3556]

I was able to get everyone up, one at a time, and toss potions so they could stop their saving throws, thank god, but Alfira's body had turned a white, ashen color. This is my first game like this and I'm having a ton of fun playing and also learning from you. Really appreciate you.

[@Melth]

@@resonon3556 Oof. Druids like him do have a lot of AoE options. My advice about the best way to tackle this in the future (Which I forgot to do this time actually): 1) Have someone attack Alfira 2) She starts a dialogue with that character, narrator warning you there could be trouble 3) While that dialogue is ongoing, switch to some other character! 4) Have the other character attack Alfira 5) This starts combat immediately with Alfira. No more calling the guards, just you against her. At which point she's pretty easy to knock out.

[@Melth]

@@resonon3556 Hm. I'm not sure what spell that would be! Certain elemental damage types turn the corpse different colors of course. Ashen white sounds like necrotic damage maybe, but I don't remember Arron having any necrotic spells

[@benmmarino]

You are so likable. Benny approves

[@Melth]

Thank you, that's very nice to hear

[@PillowOfEvil]

So far, great series you are so much better of a player than me lol. One thing I would bring up is that when the entire npc loot is trash, you can just shift click on the right most item and it will highlight them all, so you can right click add to wares once instead of two or more times.

[@Melth]

Thanks, glad you like the series so much! For me at least, adding multiple items to wares is bugged. It'll only add one of them to wares and the rest just go into my inventory. Which then means more work re-marking them as wares later. So that's why I do it this seemingly slower way; it saves time overall

[@PillowOfEvil]

@@Melth Eeeeew. Horrible bug. I'd probably try reinstalling or something lol.

[@slusher172]

15:20 Lae'zel of all people having 12 in wisdom is indeed a weird sight 😂

[@Melth]

The stats of the characters in this game never seem to correspond to their actual intelligence or wisdom they show in the story anyway. Shadowheart is one of the smartest companions but has almost the worst Int. Astarion is such an idiot the game even acknowledges it if you're a mindflayer and says his brain is probably smoother than the others, but his intelligence is actually pretty good, etc.

[@slusher172]

@@Melth Some time ago I actually theorized that maybe they had Astarion have decent Intelligence to allow players to level him up into his Arcane Trickster subclass without being forced to respec him and change his ability scores. That, or, more likely, since Rogue only really needs high Dexterity and decent Constitution, they didn't know where to put the remaining ability points on 😆 (But again, any player with even a minimum knowledge of tabletop dnd that wants to have a good party would instantly respec all party members into having actually well distributed ability scores, in my opinion.)

[@Melth]

@@slusher172 yes, I do think that their idea was to have him be an Arcane Trickster and they gave him intelligence for that reason, even though it made no roleplay sense.

[@PaulZeroSolis]

@@Melth Vampires tend to cast spells with the ability to do so being due to being Vampires, in settings that they appear, I think is the roleplay logic for Astarion going Arcane Trickster. He's set up as a rogue because ""Creature of the Night"=Stealthy", and then has a statline for Arcane Trickster so that he can be a more typical Vampire.

[@exhamahile]

Main char is seriously building his Dexter arc, haha :D loving these videos mate, thanks! Keep 'em up!

[@Melth]

Glad you're enjoying them! I just finished enough episodes to cover my holiday vacation

[@smdb5874]

Volume level is good now 👍.. really had fun watching this. Can't wait for next part!

[@Melth]

Glad to hear it!

[@ulfderulfte]

love this series. I learn so much of what I did wrong haha

[@Melth]

Glad to hear the series is informative!

[@Kaptain0blivious117]

First off, love this series! Your videos are full of excellent commentary which I find extremely helpful. I noticed with your use of toggling repelling blast - I have an unsolicited suggestion, if you're running with more passives going forward (sharp shooter, repelling blast, great weapon master, etc.), you may want to move those passive toggles to your main bar as well depending on your main bar preference. Since Larian didn't implement a "passives" only bar (such as how say NWN2 did it for instance), this is an alternative way to quickly see passives without toggling through the different bars. Of course, the main bar can get pretty busy too and it's definitely a personal preference thing. Unsolicited suggestion aside, these videos are excellent, I learn something new about the game every time I watch them, and I'm looking forward to more!

[@Melth]

I'll think about that, but I find that my main bar gets very full very fast. Keeping these things in the passives section to toggle on and off does keep them easier to find Glad you're enjoying the series!

[@AskZch]

9:54 Another sacrilege, picking up karlach and not picking up the smugglers rings which is 20 meters away on a skeleton, ( other way - away from Karlach, aslo by the river)

[@Melth]

I'll get that at a time that makes a bit more RP sense, when I'm exploring that area in general

[@CyaNerdz]

Really enjoying this so far (and I expected it to trough after the height of the Nautiloid fight). Great stuff, thanks! Good luck!

[@Melth]

Thanks, that's reassuring. I'd also expected things to be a bit slow compared to the nautiloid fight for about 5 episodes, and then start to pick up once I've got the beginning stuff done with.

[@Pitts4d]

Ran Karlach as a Berserker Barb on my first playthrough and I currently have Lae'zel as an EK thrower on my first Honor run. With a one level dip into War Cleric early it keeps up with the Barb version and by late game it's more attacks unless combat goes 5+ rounds which is very rare. That first playthrough had me convinced Barb was strong, but now Im with you. It's not even the best at the exploit build it's supposedly so good at! Been loving going back through these videos, keep up the awesome work!

[@Melth]

Glad you like it! I definitely think Barbarian is one of those classes that feels strong to beginners and is decent at low levels, but is just weak overall. And it has to spend limited resources to keep up with other warrior characters. You never get that many rages, you know?

[@curiouschao1]

Taking Brinna (the halfling bard) from the hireling pool and respeccing her as a transmutation wizard is a great play (Halfling luck for extra success) if you are wanting the brewmaster at camp. I did it for the first time in my 4th playthrough and effective elixir use is a GAME CHANGER (even without doubles) Also at level 6, you can start taking a transmutation stone from her before leaving camp

[@Melth]

Great ideas! I won't do it for this run since I have a rule against having camp people help, but that's a smart improvement to my camp alchemist idea.

[@curiouschao1]

@@Melth totally get it! Was for the fans more than you in general ;) glad I give you 1 tip though. Might be the only one I get 😂 Love giving constitution proficiency to shadowheart for spirit guardians and such

[@leivaslt666]

I’m doing the same, helps a lot…although I just use elixirs and most potions on difficult bosses

[@curiouschao1]

@@leivaslt666 true, in that playthrough, I have such a cache of elixirs that I have Karlach as a strength potion junky and everyone else I give them something in the morning. That being said, I guess I don’t go full long rests without hitting at least 1 big boss or encounter, so I tailor the elixirs to that. A good resistance on 3/4 party member and the 4th being a very high constitution barbarian is pretty OP

[@Melth]

@@curiouschao1 I'm a big fan of elixirs, and you can bet that I'll be using them a lot on this run. If I'm good at keeping my summons alive, I can even give elixirs to particularly valuable summons. Like Vigilance on level 6 summons so they can always go as early in combat as the rest of my party. Or Barkskin on familiars to improve their garbage AC (pretty much the only use for Barkskin, because any real party member should always have better AC than it grants)

[@Greatmaw-72]

Thank you for explanation about hand crossbow 👍🏻

[@Melth]

Always glad to teach people about new strategy ideas

[@Greatmaw-72]

@@MelthI mostly use bows crossbows on front liners for buffs they give or abilities IE bonuses to initiative, there a few that give that

[@Melth]

@@Greatmaw-72 yes, I recall a few good bows in particular that grant very useful abilities like bonuses to initiative or resistance to multiple elements. Sometimes that's worth using instead of 2 hand crossbows on everyone, but we mostly find those late in the game

[@Greatmaw-72]

@@Melthvery true 😊

[@mushuable]

The "sometimes losing your action" when you initiated combat with an action is a permanent thing as of patch 5, otherwise it made the "Assassin's Alacrity" of assassin rogues an everyone's thing. You can even toggle it on/off in the Custom game option and choose to have your "combat triggering" action as essentially a free action.

[@Melth]

Sorta! I still find it to be inconsistent. Just yesterday I initiated a fight from stealth but got to keep my action. That's what I was talking about when I said "sometimes". There's supposed to be a rule in place that you lose your action when initiating combat, but it doesn't always work!

[@leivaslt666]

@@Melthisn’t that the surprise effect? Some enemies can be surprised, many can’t…specially bosses

[@Melth]

@@leivaslt666 this is unrelated to surprise. Regardless of whether one surprises the enemy, there's a rule in BG3 that whoever initiatives combat by attacking or casting a spell is supposed to start the round with that action expended. (With the new custom difficulty, one can turn that rule off by the way). But the rule doesn't always get applied correctly. Sometimes I've started combat by, say, casting a spell or shooting from being hidden but still had all my actions available

[@AnotherGeekOnTheWall]

@@MelthI can confirm this to be seemingly independent of both npcs being surprised, the aware feat, and pretty much anything else I've tried. I haven't tried anything particularly well though... I've only played honour since the patch, so testing is tough. I've still even had rounds where the initiating character has an extra attack in addition to all their usual actions. Sometimes they don't get a turn at all. I haven't seen a pattern so far.

[@Melth]

@@AnotherGeekOnTheWall Yeah that's my experience too. It's all over the place. The worst is when you lose your entire turn for some reason, bonus action and movement and all, after you sneaked up on them!

[@afxtal]

Loving this series! FYI: You can actually drag one of the passive buttons (such as Repelling Blast) from you spellbook onto your main hotbar. This way, since you are toggling it often, you don't need to switch to the 'Passives' tab back and forth!

[@Melth]

That's a good reminder! I seldom think about that, but I do toggle Repelling Blast pretty often. I'll try that in the future (but it'll be quite a few episodes till you see the change because I just finished ep 10)

[@FluffiestWalrus]

I can’t wait to see what classes you use. I’m fascinated to see what you think is the best setup

[@Melth]

I'm not sure there's one single best setup. Different setups will have easier or harder times at different parts of the game. The smartest thing would probably be to re-spec some characters completely as the game goes on, but that would feel a bit cheesy to me. I'll talk about the general strategy principles that guide my party choices though, and why I think the classes I chose are good ones, in the next episode.

[@AnotherGeekOnTheWall]

I've bested honour and and most of the way through a second run. What he said is correct. I used pretty strong single class builds on my first blind run d am using things I consider memes on my second honour playthrough. It's a mode meant for peaople used to it (or others used to tough games), but as someone that has been playing iron man prgs since the turn of the century, I'm here for it. I have played older and more brutal games, and unless you have played planescape: torment I have plaved better. If you have, congratulations.... it is the best, though I can recommend others whether or not you're hardcore. Before a recommendation you would need to tell me what could change the nature of a man.

[@gibbs5720]

I'm loving your videos. Regarding Laezel comments, my head canon is that is not so much that she's a psycho, but more of a great cultural difference. The Gyithyanki culture is based on fighting to survive. Have been slaves and now to hunt the slavers. To them, killing is not so much about "murderer" per se, but about winning a fight with honor. Dying during a fight, is also the right way to die. So you'll resolve all your problems killing and fighting. It's not so personal, is another moral code. If you want to kill, go ahead. There's honor in being a best fighter than your opponent. If they're innocent, that doesn't matter. If they can't defend themselves they have no value in the first place. Of course it's a messed vision by our moral standarts, but for the githyank is something developed after centures being slaves. To kill is better than living in inprisionment. If you can't kill, you're weak, which means you can be slaved again. To fight, to kill, is to be strong, therefore never a slave. Anyways, I know it may not make much sense, but that's how I coped with Laezell awful comments xD

[@Melth]

The Githyanki culture is more about fighting to enslave others though. The Githzerai went through the same mindflayer enslavement and decided to NOT be horrible space murderers and slavers and not try to rule the galaxy. Meanwhile, the githyanki only talk about 'honor' when it's convenient for them. Lae'Zel will whine about Shadowheart attacking her by surprise... but in an earlier conversation Lae'Zel boasted that she would kill Shadowheart by surprise if she wanted to. And so on. Even by gith standards, Lae'Zel in particular seems to be pretty silly about things too. She'll criticize the other githyanki for having comfortable beds... in their infirmary where patients are supposed to be recuperating. She'll be insulting to other githyanki, yet be angry when other githyanki are rude to her. And her first response to any fellow githyanki disagreeing with her about anything seems to be "THAT GITH IS A TRAITOR, KILL THEM!"

[@eriiicj.1558]

Ah, my brother in Selune, Melth. Welcome back. Might I raise you some more Lae’zel banter? Really? Great! I only do this because I chose to persuade Lae’zel not to serve Orpheus or Vlaakith in the end for the first time. She willingly eschewed both and, surprisingly but fulfillingly-if you play her in a way that focuses on her choosing herself over external forces-mentioned how she’d simply gone from totem to totem (for lack of a better term) without considering the personal cost. It was super fulfilling and actually brought me a mote of justification in my Bae’zel love. I once again posit that she’s indoctrinated rather than psychopathic.

[@Melth]

Fair enough, does sound like she genuinely improved in that particular outcome! Is she still in favor of killing innocents for fun, and opposed to ever doing anything good? Call me unreasonably picky if you must, but I find murderousness to be a *bit* of a turn off.

[@eriiicj.1558]

@@Melth no, actually, at the epilogue dinner, she told me she has new friends. Godsdamned friends! That shocked me more than about anything. And she and her friends hunt down Vlaakith’s zealots. A swing, for sure, but one that made a bit of sense in my run because my goal was to push her away from what she learned from her people.

[@Melth]

@@eriiicj.1558 sounds like a big improvement with the new epilogue. I've only completed 1 run and it was before the new patch, so I haven't seen many of the epilogue outcomes.

[@EtherealDoomed]

As a fan of your AoM content and a D&D nerd, I'm enjoying this a lot! Further, look upon this content Almighty Algorithm and know that it is good.

[@Melth]

Thanks! I'm glad this series has been getting (at least a little) more attention from the almighty algorithm than most of my previous ones. Not surprisingly, the first ep gets the most

[@edielungreen]

I should also mention that the purring cat truly puts your playthrough on another level 😸

[@Melth]

He's a good boy, which by cat standards means a chaotic neutral rather than chaotic evil boy

[@ovrsurge4689]

Regarding tossing out shadowheart for Gale temporarily, in theory you could also have levelled Shart into a wizard to get feather falling, the rules didn't really matter there.

[@Melth]

True, there are several ways I could have tackled that. I could also have just jumped off the cliff and then drunk healing potions. Doesn't really matter, but it felt least silly to just grab Gale for a monute

[@bonelesspizza]

I finally get to see what is supposed to happen when finding Withers' sarcophagus, all three times I have gone through this part of the game Withers is never there and just shows up in the camp for some reason lol Now that I think of it, it is probably because I loot as much camp supplies as I can early game and completely abuse long rest after every battle

[@Melth]

@@bonelesspizza I've had that happen once, with Withers just randomly showing up in camp. I hadn't even done many rests, so it was pretty weird. I also once had Astarion pretty much immediately do that conversation where he admits to being a vampire without first trying to bite anyone

[@Koralsz]

Can not wait to see how you going to fight with the gold lady…

[@Melth]

Geez, that fight. Absolutely ruined my blind no death run of act 2. I think Geringothe Thorm might be the worst-designed enemy in the game. We'll see how it goes this time. Using out of character knowledge to stash all my money in camp should protect me from her ludicrously overpowered money-based AoE at least

[@edielungreen]

I’m glad I’m not the only one snapping up all the hand crossbows 😸

[@Melth]

If you weren't supposed to fill every available hand with hand crossbows, they'd have a different name!

[@Qulize]

Binge watching this and so far enjoying it. Love the way you explain things mechanically but especially the lore stuff. I want to learn more about dnd universe but jfc it's complicated. Like where do I start? Which one is canon or whatever? Like Pathfinder for example. Apparently lots of people don't like 4th edition (I think) so they make their own games which is basically Dnd 3.5. And then then there's Forgotten Realms. Is this the real Dnd? Or is it another expansion? Jeez idk where to start lol I also have the feeling that you aren't fan of Laezel. Cant blame you. Astarion and her keeps disapproving the choices I made so I made them stay in my camp for most of the game. They're such ahole lmao. Took me a couple playthrough to truly appreciate them but yeah I'm not a fan of them when they're first introduced.

[@Melth]

D&D tends to get some fairly major lore retcons every edition when they rewrite monster descriptions and whatnot or revise how the classes work. Wizards of the Coast also made a lot of changes when they bought the system because they wanted to tie it in to their existing Magic the Gathering worlds. So suddenly MTG creatures start showing up in D&D settings, pre-existing D&D archwizards are rewritten to now be MTG-style planeswalkers, etc. As a result of all the changes, I don't bother paying attention to most such lore anymore. Every table has their own canon anyway, and many tables have their own settings to begin with. Certainly I only ever run games in my own settings. To try to answer your questions though- Pathfinder has its own settings which are separate from the D&D ones. You're correct that Pathfinder was a spinoff created by former D&D folks who thought that 4E was the wrong direction for the series. A lot of people agreed with them. 4E was extremely divisive and a lot of people just stuck with 3.5 (or Pathfinder) instead of playing 4E. I will say that I respect some of the creative courage that 4E showed, but I don't like playing it. The original D&D settings were Blackmoor and Greyhawk. Each basically started just as nothing but a single dungeon and were then expanded into fairly small generic fantasy kingdom settings. Greyhawk, in a world called Oerth, still gets played a bit to this day but it's definitely not a major setting anymore. The Forgotten Realms is a setting originally created by Ed Greenwood as a little kid, which he gradually expanded on and then eventually used as a setting for D&D campaigns. He wrote some popular articles in D&D magazines back in the 1980s which made people curious about his setting. In particular, TSR (the company that owned D&D at the time) had copyright reasons to want to move away from Greyhawk and adopt a new setting as the standard. So with the release of 2nd edition, they worked with Greenwood on making The Forgotten Realms available as something of a default setting. It became very well-known from there and remains perhaps the most famous D&D setting to this day. The reason for its relative success might be mainly that it is a very generic fantasy setting. It's not full of high tech stuff like Eberron or psychic powers and post-apocalyptic worlds like Dark Sun to use two other pretty big D&D settings as examples. So it makes a good generic starting point for a fantasy game. But that doesn't make The Forgotten Realms more or less official than any of the other major settings. And for that matter, all these settings began as the homebrew settings of individual DMs, whose worlds were and are the foundation of the hobby.

[@paragonvice1128]

Paladins (at least as of 5e? It might have been changed earlier than that) don't require a deity for their powers. Instead, that power comes from their oath. It could be that Anders is an Oath of Conquest paladin, or even a separate paladin entirely that became an Oathbreaker if/when Zariel offered him something he felt was worth breaking his oath. If you're a cleric of Tyr, you can confront the Paladins of Tyr and ask them to recite Tyr prayers, and they'll be stumped. So at the very least they Karlach's honest about them not being Paladins of Tyr.

[@Melth]

Yeah, at least as early as 3E paladins (and even clerics somehow) could be devoted to a general ideal like goodness rather than a particular god. Indeed, in 5E you CAN'T be a paladin of a particular god anymore, at least as a rules-based thing. So it's weird to call them paladins of anyone to begin with. I suppose since only one of them has the class paladin, we can interpret it that 'paladin' is a general term in setting for people devoted to a cause/god, even if they're actually wizards or something rather than having the paladin class. Part of what makes the situation weird is that there were apparently some changes to this group from early access. Back then they were definitely humans who'd made deals with devils and had been promised their freedom if they killed Karlach. But now Karlach talks as if they're actually disguised devils in some conversations, and that's clearly nonsense.

[@DiamondZac3]

Love this series!

[@Melth]

Thanks!

[@justinmoseley6440]

Great episode. 1. Love the silence and librarian crack...! 2. The turn-based escape from the trapped sarcophagus was good learning, did you pick up the treasure in there?

[@Melth]

Thanks! I went back for the treasure in the next episode. Since I'm recording all these things live, and often in a bit of a hurry to get to a good stopping point so the video isn't super long, I find I sometimes forget things like that and need to come back and do them at the start of the next episode

[@Figorix]

Worth mentioning, about hand xbows. It's not that we CAN'T add our dex modifiers to offhand xbow. We now need Two wepon fighting style to do it.

[@Melth]

True! I'm planning to incorporate that onto one of my builds. For most characters though, I think it's fair to say they can't add Dex anymore. Most characters won't want to take a whole other class to get a fighting style that only improves their bonus action offhand by 3-4 points. Even for someone who focuses on hand crossbows, I'd say archery style is superior most of the time.

​@@MelthWouldn't you get both with swords bard and 2 level of fighter ? 6 swords bard / 3 champion fighter / 3 thief is very cool for 2 hand crossbows

[@Melth]

@ you'd only need 1 level of fighter to get a combat style. So I think you could do Swords Bard 8, Thief 3, Fighter 1. That gets you one more feat, more levels of full spellcasting, and you can take both the Two Weapon and Archery style. All in all, I think the build has good burst potential if you can spend some bardic inspirations to get extra shots and so forth. But I couldn't use it on a run like this where I need staying power and can't easily recharge my bardic inspirations. For a run like this, I'd rather have Gloomstalker than Bard in that kind of build. That also frees up a few levels since you get extra attack at level 5 instead of 6, so you can add on another boost from another class.

@@Melth oh sure I forgot, that makes more sense without any long rest. Otherwise for a normal run I think fighter 3 is good if you go full crit, better spells are nice but you're probably attacking anyway so I'd rather have Crit chance and surge.

@@Melth also I'm building Lazael as a tiger + wolverine barbarian for unlimited AOE "stuns", I hope it'll prove good enough for my honour run

[@thelioness3956]

I learn a lot from watching your videos.

[@Melth]

Glad to hear it!

[@AnotherGeekOnTheWall]

I have completed honour mode as well as tactician a multitude of times, but I've still learned things from watching Melth. I'm glad a friend recommended them to me. Melph is clearly a strong player doing a challenge run, but they are tailoring it to newer players and trying to explain a ton of stuff. Basically, they're very overqualified, but clearly want to be where they are!. I have no idea if they want more from their channel; I was recommended by a fried who knew I was one of the 464 or whatever that beat honour mode the first weekend. Melth is more knowledgeable than most of them likely are. He's a good source of information... I base that only on the first few videos, but that's enough to let me know he doesn't need exploits or broken mechanics to survive. Based on what I've seen so far, Melph is legit and will give reasonable advice, even if I might disagree with some of it (for example berserker being the weakest class?).

[@Melth]

@@AnotherGeekOnTheWall thank you very much! To clarify, I wouldn't say berserker in particular is the weakest subclass. Not by a longshot. I'd say it's one of the better subclasses for a weak base class though. And, for example, I would say that Rogue is another weak base class. But I'd say that Thief rogue offers more powerful good stuff to a multiclass than Berserker adds to Barbarian. Like I said in the video, I don't think any class is completely bad. But I do think that overall, the barbarian is one of the weakest base classes. And then its best subclass isn't as strong as the best subclass of some of the other weak base classes.

[@thelioness3956]

@@AnotherGeekOnTheWallI completed honor mode as well as well as tach. I like watching Melth cause he’s knowledgeable on the lore and can explain it how it would be seen on table top. I also appreciate his advanced knowledge on mechanics. I do enjoy cheesy gameplay, but it’s great to see someone understand the mechanics and win without cheese

[@minratos6215]

i interacted with the sarcophagus before killing the skellies thinking maybe withers will help us somehow, but noooo, he refused to come out until we dispatch them. now i wonder if he owed them money or something. with interest!

[@Melth]

Deepest lore! The money that appeared in their pockets after they got killed must have been an interest payment from him.

[@minratos6215]

@@Melth withers is such a troll. i wish he had more things to say about the player's progress. also i wonder if there are other gods like him?

[@Melth]

@@minratos6215 I agree, it'd be nice if he had more things to say besides the generic 'fate spins along as it should' or 'thy wheel turns ever to the dark' (Even if you're resisting the dark urge). As for other gods like him... sort of? Mystra dies or loses godhood about once a week and I'm pretty sure various powered down versions of Mystra walking around the forgotten realms have showed up in various stories/games as a result. And for that matter, it's a common thing for there to be various B-tier quasi-deities that fell from full godhood by being too lame to attract followers and end up in the forgotten realms rather than having their own domains anymore. So that's kind of like Withers being what's left over of Jergal.

[@AnotherGeekOnTheWall]

Withers: "No"

[@Melth]

@@AnotherGeekOnTheWall the best Withers line!

[@tolerantak]

Great challenge! Thanks for your videos.P.S.: You also forgot to loot Whithers sarcophagus.

[@Melth]

Huh, I don't think I knew until now that there was anything in his sarcophagus except him!

[@Melth]

I've already finished EP 5 so it might just have to go un-looted. Maybe I can make up for it by robbing Withers himself or something 😆

[@tolerantak]

@@Melth Yeah, also missed it in all of my previous runs. But I'm playing as Karlach monk right now, so I want all the soul coins available and there is one in this sarcophagus. Btw it looks like Karlach monk is the most powerful early build. And one of the best in end game.

[@leivaslt666]

I finished in honor mode once, doing another run…just killed Grym. I’d never do all these restrictions lol Permadeath for companions ok if you do a good path run, on evil I already killed Karlach, Gale and Wyll left. Going for Mizora again, she is just the BEST

[@Melth]

What's your plan with Mizora? I never liked her much, so I have a plan to get her in act 3 which I don't think the developers remembered to make her invulnerable to

[@bbfitzgerald1827]

I LOVE YOU MELTH!!!!!

[@Melth]

Thanks!

[@NJcinemaHD]

@Melth The lag looks to my eye like either slow harddrive loading assets (doesnt make a lot of sense due to the timings) or VRAM or RAM issues. Are you using ddr3 ram, or are you recording on your gpu that you play on maybe?

[@Melth]

I'm recording on my GPU, but I get the same lag even when I'm not recording. And I didn't formerly get it even when I WAS recording

[@ShandrensCorner]

For Looting: If you hold control while clicking you can select multiple items, or hold Shift to group select. Just like windows. Then you can right click add to wares (or send to camp which i guess you wont like). Takes a little getting used to, but can speed up looting a lot. And i take offence to your carrying capacity comments. Maybe I want to have EVERY SINGLE magic item available on my characters at any given point... that adds up too

[@Melth]

Unfortunately, I find that method to be bugged for add to wares. I've tried it many times, but it tends to just add one of the items selected to wares. So I've fallen back on getting them one at a time

[@ShandrensCorner]

@@Melth Ahh. I always send to camp, so never noticed. Don't really use the add to wares thing. There used to be a shortcut key to add to wares (Shift click), but I don't know if they made another short cut when they reworked shift.

[@laviard]

are you planning to keep uploadong videos even on xmas/new year eve weeks or there will be a pause?

[@Melth]

Good question. What I'm trying to do right now is build up a buffer of extra videos so that I can release those during the holidays. I'm editing ep 6 today and hoping to record ep 7 tomorrow. We'll see if that's actually possible of course, I do spend a decent amount of time making these.

[@laviard]

​@@MelthNo need to strive too much, even if you halve the uploads is going to be fine for us ^^

[@orionstokesweiss2344]

It hurts seeing you pass up all the food while in act 1 I have a couple thousand gold sitting in my supply sack and I'm not even close to done lol

[@Melth]

@@orionstokesweiss2344 yeah, I do pick up the wine since that had a better cost ratio than most food though!

[@Shandren]

The speak with dead necklace is without limits as Well is it not? Cast it once Per day. But recast as much as you please

[@Melth]

In my experience, not quite. In theory you can recast it as much as you please. But sooner or later it always stops working and then can't be recast. I've never found an explanation for that, but it always happens to me eventually. It's not a problem for any other source of speak with dead

[@FluffiestWalrus]

Is there any way you’d consider a Wednesday - Saturday upload schedule? Currently it’s a 2-day wait between Sunday and Wednesday and 3 from Wednesday to Sunday. This just swaps where the lengths fall in the week. It’d be awesome to have an episode on Saturday so that we have more time over the weekend to watch it 😊

[@Melth]

Hm. I suppose that could work, though I'm hesitant to change something people have probably got used to after 2-3 years of steady Sunday updates

[@FluffiestWalrus]

@@Melth yep makes sense. I just discovered your videos with this playthrough and can’t wait for more

[@yingosensei]

With off hand hand crossbows no longer adding DEX without a fighting style, you get just as much out of just dipping your weapon in fire then firing an off hand hand crossbow.

[@Melth]

Hm, +1d4 from fire vs 1d6+1 from a magic hand crossbow is almost doubling the extra damage though. 2.5 vs 4.5 And of course you can, in theory, dip both your hand crossbows to set up for great damage on the next round I think

[@ShandrensCorner]

Better yet. Dip your weapons 1 round (lasts 3). Then fire crossbow next 2 rounds. You can even use the crossbow shot for other nice stuff like environmental stuff, or breaking potions. Hand crossbows are amazing!

[@Deerber]

Very interested in seeing hiw this progresses! Can I ask you to elaborate on why it's not a good idea to have a character who's good at sneaking and initiative actually attack from stealth? Wouldn't it attack, start the combat, and then also win the initiative? What am I missing?

[@Melth]

Yeah to give a clarification: having a fast character launch an attack from stealth is fine, since that takes them out of stealth mode. What you DON'T want is to have your fast characters still in stealth mode when combat begins.

[@Deerber]

@@Melth gotcha. Cause the enemy might win initiative and go first before you have a chance to actually control your stealthed character and join the battle. Correct?

[@Melth]

@@Deerber exactly! Later on in the game when you might have, say, Alertness or other initiative boosts so that you can absolutely guarantee a character will go before all enemies, then you start to be able to be more flexible with stealth I'd say. On a casual run I'm sure it doesn't matter either way of course. But for this run I have to do everything I can to avoid getting hit, you know?

[@Deerber]

@@Melth hell yeah, I don't know how you do it man, I'm already scared enough to wipe on normal honour mode, being blind past goblin camp, basically. It's gonna be interesting. But also very interested in seeing your progress. Good luck, may the die gods be merciful!

[@kallenstev]

Weren’t the Ring of Flinging bugs/cheese fixed in Honor Mode?

[@Melth]

Yep! It's still a decent early game ring just for the intended +1d4 damage, but it's no longer busted the way it used to be

[@Schoolimangooli]

You mentioned in this video that your going casters because that not the most obvious way to do the challenge. What’s most obvious way?

[@Melth]

A bunch of warrior characters that don't care much about resting would be the obvious approach I'd say

[@Schoolimangooli]

Thank you

[@Altorin]

The button in the library actually changes the parameters of the trap in the trap room. Without pushing the button the trap in the center of the room is not disarmable. The only way to disarm it without pushing the button is the disarm EVERY trap in the room. One of the fireball traps is basically unreachable so it is hard to fully disarm. So you need to disarm everything loot the chest, and run away as the last fireball trap explodes behind you. Or push the button, disarm the sarcophagus, and just walk out

[@Workplaylister]

It's a bit sad a wizard needs to still prepare a ritual spell to cast it

[@Melth]

Given how effortless it is to prepare and unprepare spells though, I don't mind that at all

[@Workplaylister]

@@Melth It's just an extra unnecessary step. Could very well have been a QoL change that wouldn't have a "broken" type of impact Also, I think you lose the effects if you change longstrider?

[@Melth]

@@Workplaylister that IS true with longstrider in particular. Though given how much they buffed that spell by making it last forever, I really don't mind spending 1 preparation slot to keep it active.

[@Koralsz]

How you changed your character? It was not a drow, isnt he?

[@Melth]

Disguise Self! It's an excellent spell, I highly recommend it. In this run I'm going to use it a lot since I have that ring that gives +1d4 to all checks while in disguise

[@Koralsz]

@@Melth okay i see

[@FluffiestWalrus]

As you’ve mentioned you are very short on money, so why wouldn’t you pick up all the camp supplies even just to sell them for money?

[@Melth]

Some of them I will (at least the ones like Wine that are worth good amounts of money). I'm generally in the habit of ignoring goods that have a low price/weight ratio though. Normally I'd leave things like leather armor and quarterstaves too; I'm just taking them as a special exception in this case since I plan to go right back to the store.

[@Chronische]

Honestly, I'd cut down pretty much every NPC party member you've gained so far. Having them all be pure evil with no non-evil options for the start is a pretty strange idea! Ritual spells were, I believe, a 4th edition inclusion. Free spellcasting on spells that the designers consider "non combat" but of less utility than something like Fly makes those spells even more valuable than they honestly already were. Very strange decisions from WotC on that, but hey, magic's never been particularly balanced! The setting did have an awful lot of gods, but that can be fine if you keep them separate; they are supposed to be localized in their region of worship, acting as local pantheons. It's when you try to take all at once that it gets seriously overwhelming, but that's like saying every single pantheon on earth should be counted as one pantheon and all worshiped and respected at the far ends of the earth! That would be just as silly. However, even then, there are some gods that try to spread their worship... but that's part of being a god, to seize more power through more worship! It's also a driving motivation you can use for their followers as either a player or antagonist for the more malicious ones like Talos. It was, in fact, a major plot in one of the only good FR series I read, the Moonshaes series, where the local "earth goddess" is literally murdered by the actions of Bhaal's followers and, when Bhaal's favored avatar is slain there, it empowers the replacement goddess Chauntea to take over as the old druids were all but one killed in the process. The entire plot was caused by divine power-mongering, the details of invasions of vikings and fishmen were to that end, even if those invaders thought otherwise. If you prefer less divine stories you can do that too, but the gods are very, very present in any significant actions in FR. I do prefer Birthright for that - while the gods there CAN appear as avatars they prefer to instead allow their various temples to do their will through dogmatic interpretation rather than manifesting and giving direct orders. It's why there are so many splinter temples rather than monolithic faiths! Undoing all deaths in the Second Sundering was kinda lame, but I wasn't even a fan of how the Time of Troubles shook out! Kept most of the boring gods, got rid of a couple interesting or good gods (like Helm). Bah! As an aside, I'm glad you have such a cute and frequent guest in this series :)

[@Melth]

I agree about ritual spells being a weird and bad idea for game balance. 4E fixed a lot of balance problems by making every class be basically the same in combat, and then forcing the game to be 90% combat. But then... they pretty much just decided that casters should auto-win everything outside of combat with 0 cost courtesy for ritual spells to solve all problems. And then of course 5E made it even worse by keeping ritual spells, giving back more utility spells that had been removed, and making martial classes useless again. Ugh! As for the evil NPCs- it's kind of a shame that all the good ones are of terrible races. Human is just worthless in this game. So I cannot use Wyll on any kind of optimized run, or Gale either. Shadowheart is also a terrible race. Karlach isn't great, but at least she gets fire resistance I guess... And then Astarion is simply the best party member hands down because of his Happy bonus. And Lae'Zel gets the great githyanki abilities of gaining like +3 skills compared to any other party member, and a bunch of weapon and armor proficiencies, and other perks too.

[@ritenger87]

1:50 I feel like as an adventuring party, your opinion on murder HAS to be pretty skewed. Like, your whole job is killing things and putting yourself in life and death situations. So its not totally weird to have someone who believes the death of innocents can be justified.

[@Melth]

To some extent, yeah. But I think it'd be fair to say that in this setting, most adventurers have much more scruples than Lae'Zel. She doesn't just say the death of innocents can be justified, she says killing innocents is fun and they deserve it for being weak enough to kill.

[@ritenger87]

That's totally fair. Maybe like me, Durge is so blinded by their love for Lae'Zel they don't mind the psychopathy haha.@@Melth

[@AnotherGeekOnTheWall]

I enjoy some of the commentary on how evil murder-hobo several of the companions are. As far as the murder-hobos go, I *much* prefer Minthara's attitude to that of the others; she tends to be pragmatic if evil which is quite a contrast from the others who just like killing things. If you want more information about the "paladins of Tyr" I'd recommend talking to the dead one. There are a decent number of story elements hidden behind talk with dead and the like. Only a handful I know of are significant deals, but they're worth seeing some of (especially one of the bosses is well worth talking to). I like your point on hand crossbows, but given how initiative is calculated in this game and how early you can get an initiative stat stick and a bow with hunter's mark I usually have more useful stat-sticks for a party member or two before I have enough hand crossbows (would be different for people doing merchant resets though). I was amused on the comment about Cyric around 34 minutes in given you've already met one of Cyric's followers in this playthrough. The replaying death sounds and falling over nuisance sound seems like a *really* common bug for me in this patch when revisiting any area with dead npcs. I never knew picking up the scribes would trigger combat; I don't think that was the case in some pre-release builds and I haven't tried it since release, but that's minorly useful for challenge runs. Withers also asks questions that some lore books in game will tell you Jergal was known for asking. I think it was the worth of a single mortal's life question. Regardless, that book is in an act 3 tomb if you care to find it (I don't think it's particularly interesting for anyone that already knows he's Jergal though). I can't remember if it was this video or the previous one, but you mentioned companions only sometimes being willing to use guidance. There are some times that don't make sense to me, but a lot of the instances I think were intended to be setup so the companion will only use guidance if they agree or are indifferent to a situation (and are in range to use it of course). I have that impression mostly due to a few conversations trying to convince companions of things where they won't use guidance on initial checks when they're more hostile to an idea, but will later in the conversation. I don't think it's implemented all that well, but think that's the intention. As a minor update, I'm probably going to finish act 2 again tonight. As a bug warning (that I didn't run into first playthrough, but did this one) I'd be cautious with the elevator shortly before act 2's point of no return. All my characters were on it, but 3 of them died while on the ride. I'd probably leave a person behind for that part just in case you run into the same bug. I was afraid I was going to wipe to a bug after the third death half-way through the ride.

[@Melth]

I'm looking forward to trying Minthara for the first time. I've heard she's more nuanced than the other evil party members. I'll probably replace Karlach with her for this run or something. That or Lae'Zel. I did talk to that dead 'paladin' who reveals that he was a warlock. I think that's also partly a reflection of how things were in the early access version. From what I understand, back then Karlach didn't say anything to imply that they were actually devils, and their dialogue clearly indicated that they were just humans who were stuck in devil contracts and had been promised a way out if they killed Karlach. But now in this version, they're kind of muddled with Karlach calling them devils when they're clearly just humans. I don't remember there being many useful stat stick bows until Act 2 and 3. The one that gives advantage against monstrosities is situationally good, but even then I might rather have 2 attacks without advantage than one attack with (especially since there are many ways to grant myself advantage) As for Withers, yeah, I read that book too. I think I mentioned that one piece of evidence that Withers is Jergal is that he asks that same question which the book said Jergal asks (And he also looks the way Jergal was described in that book, unlike the statue) For Guidance from party members- I've often found to my surprise that party members will help me use guidance directly against them. Meanwhile sometimes I'm just picking a lock or something and a party member standing right there can't help. Thanks for the warning about that bug! I'm planning to periodically back up my save files in case of a run-ruining bug since this game has quite a few. I wouldn't consider that to be save-scumming.

[@AnotherGeekOnTheWall]

@@Melth Minthara is certainly more nuanced when it comes to evil stuff than other characters. I liked her as a party member, but there are others that are more fleshed out. She has been criticized more than I think is fair regardless, even on launch. I think a lot of that criticism was that she didn't make up for losing the good characters. I haven't tried her in a good run personally. The dead "paladin" is more similar to the pre-launch setup, but I think there were a few other clues there and possibly a way to confront Anders about it since launch. I haven't played with it for a while, so I could easily be wrong. Karlach calling them devils doesn't seem too off to me... she isn't the most level-headed of people and she knows they're hunting her from the blood war, so *shrugs* For the guidance issue, I assume you have already, but I'd make sure they're in range. There are lots of ways conversation can happen without a relevant party member in range to give buffs. That can often be fixed by switching the active member and moving them closer or just casting the buff, but not always. There may be some issues beyond that, but that is frequently annoying (and I specifically went into single movement mode and inched people forward for one particular conversation this run... could have done the combat, but I did it blind on honour and didn't find it fun, so I conversationed out of it the second time around). I'm not sure I'm right, but a few of the conversation things I mentioned fit decently and I haven't had many other issues besides ranged based ones. If outranged you actually have to cast it outside of combat though. I don't consider that save-scumming either, but who cares. You'll complete the run with high likelyhood this attempt. I've already done so. Either way, they have a great system where you can continue in dishonor run or something like that. I'm sure I'll run into it with a meme build at some point. Regardless, my druid, barbarian, rogue, and ranger group is doing fine so far... and I think I'm well past the toughest part. Maybe I'll try nonsense again. In my first honour run I killed Gortash in his coronation without trying to cause a fight... I doubt I'll try something quite that brave with this party though. edit: I think both of the bows I mentioned were found in act 1, but I don't remember too many things about itemization and those aren't build-defining, even if they shift builds for a bit. Even by the start of act 2 I struggle to have 2 characters with dual crossbows though unless I'm resting a lot... and I usually only rest diegetically.

[@ckirk7317]

This is cool but why not do a solo run of honour instead. Since you like limitations you could relax some of the more extreme ones. Maybe something for the future? Thanks for sharing.

[@Melth]

I'll keep the idea in mind! I'm not really fond of solo runs in general though- I think a lot of the game's tactical depth comes from how you combine abilities and coordinate the movements of all your pieces. And of course deciding what classes/races will be on your team might be the single biggest set of strategic choices one makes. There also are already a lot of solo runners out there, but I'm not aware of anyone else doing a run like this. This run came about partly because I was trying to devise a challenge that would remove most of the exploits I saw when I looked at other people's challenge runs.

[@Slekbit]

@@Melth Every solo run I've seen just uses invisibility to get past everything and kills every boss with explosive barrels lol. Not very entertaining or impressive compared to something like your challenge run imo.

[@Melth]

@@Slekbit yeah, I'd seen a similar pattern whenever I came across a solo run video. Not very interesting