Can I Beat The World's BEST Advance Wars Player If I CHEAT?

[@Mangs1337]

Being exposed by Karl Jobst for cheating ❌ Cheating for content and exposing myself ✅

[@ShadowReaperX07]

Absolute Legend

[@thebrazillianguytm2186]

This Advance Wars cheater is the worst - Karl, probably

[@turbo8628]

It's not cheating mangs, you're just starting in second gear

[@LaughingOrange]

But who will you sue now? Suing Karl Jobst for spreading factual information is half the fun.

[@inversepie6512]

Fighting up a tier is hard fog hack or not

[@lasselen9448]

That's not cheating, that's AW1/2 Campaign balance.

[@rubricance9617]

yeah true maphacks prolly wouldve been a different story no need for any vision. but i understand that this is also probably the closest they could get to that on the website was fun either way and props to rip for going yeah sure sounds like fun lol

[@brentisnotafur-]

True. XD

[@MisterVercetti]

More like Reboot Camp balance. The OG AW 1/2 had more or less true maphacks, where as long as your units aren’t in cover, the AI can see and attack them at will.

[@arcturus64]

I can't believe Mangs would resort to streamsniping I'm shaking and crying rn

[@TheRealCodeBlack]

We're all cracking on the cheat, but what's really fun to me that rip was just like "yeah sure, love that idea." To one of the greatest players in the world that probably sounds like an interesting challenge. Like Goku training with weighted clothes on.

[@chaosryans]

Ikr its like the permanent snow olaf vs hachi. 🤔 This is probably not going to be easy but sure lets go. This one is at least a lot more balanced because if you know your opponents vision they still can't attack

[@jome2284]

Rip was actually very smart in choosing the map, he is in the map committee for a reason. For those who don't realize, just look carefully, keeping in mind what the challenge is: - no mountains - sparse forests - no strong/weak side - wide battlefield - airport at far corner of map This was literally the best map FOR Rip, not for Mangs like he thought. Knowing that Mangs still needed actual vision to initiate attacks, he took a map with no mountains and very few forests where Mangs could hide in and exploit his cheat to its full potential. Being blind against someone with map hack would have made strong/weak side maps difficult to fight, as the opponent can perfectly balance unit composition and counter Rip's on both fronts, so what does he do? He picks a map with a wide battlefield with no strong/weak side feature. The map was also perfect for Rip's CO pick. The airports are at the far corner, making their use unlikely, and if they do come, it'll take a long while for them to reach the fight. That means for the most part it would be a ground battle, since his air units suck. The very design of the map gave Rip a clear advantage. Just a wide battlefield, which made balling into a blob of destruction easy. Him knowing you had map hack also gave him an advantage, he knows you can see them, so using your knowledge to his advantage, he goaded you in directions he wanted. Built an AA, Mangs "Oh, he has AA, no point in air units then", bam no air units for Rip to deal with. Can't see his army? No problem, Mangs can see where I am, I'll just "guide" his army to where I want to fight by bringing my mass of units to the top right. Having a wide battlefield allowed him to "localize" the fighting to just one place, basically making Mang's cheat useless. Lastly, his CO pick. Knowing that Mangs still need actual vision, he picked a CO that reduces your vision, and knowing Mangs, Rip knows he isn't likely to make a lot of recons because of his overconfidence in his cheat. Then there's the map's design, no mountains. Vision is completely gone for Mangs, all his units are just sitting ducks.

[@MAJJASTAK]

Mangs is clearly not cheating, he's just channeling his inner GBA Advance Wars AI while thinking like Sonja.

[@rmzing]

"That's some powerful rain..." "They're all dead..."

[@tubey84]

Depends how well you cheat. Cheat Mangs. Cheat to your fullest potential.

[@LK.Cynric]

Interesting how having full vision lured you into a false sense of security! Really cool strategy by him.

[@Clepto_and_Co]

Mangs trying to play against the top of the league "Just force your opponent to play flak and pick Kanbei" and "Just streamsnipe in FOW". Not gonna lie, Mangs kinda reminding me of that one greyfield map in DOR/DC, can't wait to see what the next handicap will be

[@fernandoamilpa5721]

this channel was brought up to me at random, I now play WOTB and I get why it was recommended. Maaaan the nostalgia. Just yesterday did I pop my AW2 cartridge into my old DS 1st gen, it had full battery!!! Im so happy to have found this channel. nice comment Mangs

[@bluie639]

13:38 Mangs: I have unlimited vision, vision, but no vision

[@Klokinator]

Mangs over here with like 8000 lumen sun-blasters aimed at his face and the exposure rating cranked up to 11. Bro why are you glowing?? Maybe this is just what happens when you marry Bethany, you glow with happiness LMAO

[@M30W3R]

The biggest flex of the match though is the Mech destroying the 2hp Neotank, first time I have ever seen that engagement

[@Sephiroth08150]

One of the challenges in Dual Strike had you start up with a lot of damaged mechs against a neotank. I've played that one often enough to know it is possible to finish off a neotank with 2 HP with a mech.

[@yamatoko219]

He's tainting outside of fire emblem! He's becoming too powerful! He must be stopped!

[@Vaerlayn]

As soon as I saw the Drake pick I knew exactly what _rip was doing here haha. The perfect vision can't save you when you have no actual vision~

[@steve_jedi2511]

This is how AI looks like in original AW1 and AW2.

[@Mangs1337]

Actually the AI is even worse. It can attack you without vision needed.

[@steve_jedi2511]

@@Mangs1337 But Still close.

[@KnownAsKenji]

@@Mangs1337 Yeah. If you've ever tried the Design Maps glitch on AW1 you can straight-up see it happen, too. It's pretty goofy.

[@steve_jedi2511]

@@Mangs1337 Actually Right.

[@FruitNDoggie]

At least Mangs is the one who proposed this challenge. It'd have been pretty BM if one of the best gave him a huge handicap, saying he'd still lose.

[@idonkat6097]

GUYS I HAVE DAMNING EVIDENCE THAT THE EGG IS CHEATING CHECK HIS LATEST VIDEO HE'S BLATANTLY CHEATING WE HAVE TO CANCEL THE EGG!!!!!!!!

[@larsdejong7396]

Lmfao

[@Kantbei]

By allowing Drake vs Jess with maphack, essentially the game is very similar to Sonja vs Drake. So your vision advantage is only important early on when you must be able to punish his army commitment choices effectively. Afterwards global damage attritions you to death if you dont play sharply enough early on to get a winning position

[@DarkOrderSolDjango]

Mangs: "Can I beat RIP if he can only use one hand".

[@KwarterCraft]

As a loyal subscriber of many years, I respectfully demand more challenge AWBW games against experienced players.

[@FedoraReshiramGaming]

Mangs : At this point i'm kind of in desperation mode... You could say, against this guy things were looking 'Grimm'... ... I'll see myself out lol...

[@bogey6544]

My hot take is the ruleset actually favoured Rip. This map makes it relatively easy to get the essential vision, and though you get to see what he's building and counter it perfectly the CO tier difference is a huge advantage. If you did this challenge with two weaker players perhaps it would be different but high level games players can largely guess what the enemy has, and on this map there's not much to hide. Of course Rip played phenomenally without a doubt, but a whole CO tier difference is a huuuuuuuge advantage and I think that's worth more than the map hack on this particular map

[@odilazulixl5351]

A game mode where both players "cheat" in fog of war would be interesting. It would be standard but with fog of war rules where you would need high vision units to see other units before attacking them. Maybe it could be called semi-fog or something

[@j-rey-]

I LOVE that idea. And semi-fog is a great name for it. It has the precise movement and engagement assessments of standard while incorporating the novel mechanic of scouting; plus, it heavily incentivizes the use of recons and mechs, which are heavily underutilized and outclassed in regular standard.

[@masterchiefkenobi4821]

me hearing the idea: so basically you're playing as the AI

[@J37T3R]

Looked like good mindgames in rip's part, he seemed to anticipate that because you had vision you'd play more like standard and would therefore likely make some fog-related slipups.

[@M30W3R]

"Hello you absolute legends"

[@tancer237]

Mangs "Let me put on these Nightmare vision glasses... Nothing is changed?"

[@Yous0147]

Rip did an amazing job as always, but to be fair to you, Drake and this map definitely did make it hard for you to mount your advantage throughout the game, I think you did pretty well all things considered.

[@Endymion0021]

Nice concept for a duel against a grandmaster, also briliant move by rip setting the stage still in his favor, a map without mountains and picking a CO that can reduce enemy vision, to render the cheat less valuable

[@pawnquacker]

Oh neat! This was the challenge idea I sent you. Awesome to see you take on the strongest Fog of War player!

[@SupaFry99]

RIP in peace Mangs.

[@hollen9_tw]

~~Mangs goes "bot mode activated"~~

[@Emanfox333]

I love this. Cause more often then not. Hacks make you play worse. Mangs even said at the time, he didn't see his recon being destroyed as a big deal. Cheating made him forget he still needs vison for attacks. A core bit of gameplay. He explained it perfectly. Sure you got hacks to see, but you still need to the game to know you can see. Course if someone had hacks to let them attack the units he can't see, that be pretty obvious and a quick ban XD

[@Tzizenorec]

The maphack was such a small advantage... I don't think you actually played with a handicap in your favor there, Mangs. You just played a _fair_ game against rip_ and lost. Try asking for the maphack with no compensation next time. 😆

[@IDESTROYER236]

He got the forbidden cheat device 💀

[@trinityplayer2934]

Me: Watching this at 2 am in pitch darkness Mangs: Shining so bright even through low brightness

[@Bobby-ls4sk]

Saw mangs under picking and immediatly think that he was under estimating him You need a rematch where you have the higher tier CO now x)

[@kent7057]

Fun idea and match, Mangs! I think letting rip use Drake ruined your vision advantage.

[@King_Nipper]

RIP just slammed a tombstone down onto Mangs, just like tears... in Drake's Typhoon rain.

[@control9lcme]

Mangs being Sonja IRL confirmed

[@jakethadley]

rip_ showing sheer mastery of the mechanics there, I didn't even consider the implications of being able to pick when it starts raining!

[@lero4827]

Mangs:"With perfect vision I'm able to equalize the playing field!" Rip:"Are you sure about that!"

[@Antonio-Russell]

Mangs: weee woo wee woo! Rip: “Enemy UAV is online!”

[@demityrant1784]

Back to back Typhoons like that? Yeah no, this is not a human.

[@christopherdecock703]

Wow he is too good. I thought it would be much closer but that was a massacre.

[@nin10doadict]

It's like that story of when a high-ranked high school basketball player challenged one of the bottom-ranked NBA players, and the NBA player wiped the floor with him. The skill gaps are just like that

[@SteamWolf320]

Imagine seeing everything and yet nothing all at once.

[@Sh1ranu1]

Fumble on a biblical level

[@haveyoutakenyourjoymygoods943]

Truly, you have it a New low Egg, to cheat so openly? How dare you ? Shame (/j of course)

[@randomredshirt5274]

You've touched on both of these aspects in the video, but yeah, the map does a great deal to negate your advantage, so probably need a better cheat. However as you also said you definetly could have played that better(no offense). All your units where always front and center, so basically rip knew just as much about your units as you did about his. So imma just nag at some moves that i think could've been better in that regard(again, no offense but just some advice) 6:42 tank moves all ahead into the open, when he could cover the frontline just as well from the forest 2 down 2 right, gets revealed on rips turn 7:21 artillery, but you notice the mistake yourself 7:53 tank moves directly into the frontline, instead just e.g. 2 tiles north onto the city, maybe on to the left into the forest and it would've been hidden 8:53 i know the consensus is neo>MD, but as an avid md tank enjoyer i disagree, and especially in that situation. Yes, neotank would be nice for you anyway since it's better for frontshifts, but i wouldn't baseskip. You're playing jess, so you can get a move and dmg bonus on your md tank, and since you have vision, you can know where your md tank is safe, and just position tanks forward as bait for the neo. Again, you're units just need to be able to reach the frontline to cover it, not already stand in it, so a medium tank can cover a decent chunk while safe in the back, and especially a jess md tank can ward off a neo that way. And if he doesn't take the bait(since he knows that you know..) i'd just start bluffing by moving unnecessarily aggressive with tanks that could reasonable be covered by a md tank. Also you already have 2 jess md tanks, put them in range of another and on cities and the neo can't attack them 9:57 the recon sees the md tank moving into the forest generally starting day 14, the deathblob is not a good way to abuse maphack, since 1 recon can reveal all your troops, and then you're basically playing on even ground. At that point you probably should've frontswitched. One neat thing you could've done for example is move the md tank in the forest 3 spaces to the left. Since you know where his recons are, you can see that the md tank stays hidden that way, and covers the tank if it attacks the recon at the bottom. Also since he saw you enter the forest, if you move no unit into the forest he might also think the md tank is still there. 11:20 recurring theme, tank joins the infantry wall and reveals itself. I think there are also some more such missteps, but tldr: my advice would be to not throw everything directly to the front, but rather just in range to cover your units while staying hidden. Makes it easier to frontswitch and harder for your opponent to plan an attack. Even in standard this is helpful, since your opponent has to overextend if he wants to strike your valuable units. With that rambling done, funny video idea, glad that aw content is having a comeback

[@some1upyon]

mangs plays against the best advance wars player with maphack ❌️ rip_ plays advance wars 2 but mangs is the ai ✅️

[@lostanimeworld11]

Mangs: You'll never get my vision. rip_: Do I look like I need your vision? As much as I jokingly want to say you should really stop giving your opponent choices for map and CO, it just comes to show how well the opponents understand the game and know what to pick to deal with the challenges.

[@Zackerton]

"Why Mangs vs blindfolded Rip_ is not close"

[@madogthefirst]

Before getting into the video prediction: Mangs is still going to get his cheeks clapped.

[@LanEXHikari]

Remember folks, winners do not do cheats 🥺 Anyway, thanks for the video Mangs, it was really insightful in the end 👍🏼

[@snoodude]

14:12 This does not appear to be a correct assessment. The Tank two tiles north of the Copter is providing vision for the Anti-Air. I'm not entirely certain how that helps his situation, as the damage was largely already done, but I felt the need to point that out.

[@zacbounce3805]

It's a smaller map as well. Easier to track things. Bigger map gives you advantage I think moving around more etc.

[@BS-cc4ks]

I guess global damage doesn't care about how hidden your units are. Better luck next time Mangs!

[@YoshiKing12EK]

Mangs just being AI from AW1/2 as the true player dominates the match I love how much Rip manipulated vision even with perfect vision naw its always about the vision to the units

[@ChillstoneBlakeBlast]

I personally think global damage was so broken, that it made "no fog" mean little. Next time, Maybe a balanced CO like Andy would be a better comparison. This was an interesting video to see, as it basically shows that Good/"God" players will calculate worst case scenarios and will position to always prevent that. Basically, The best fog players plans way ahead and has counters for worst case

[@magicalcapi9148]

Mangs, I HIGHLY recommend giving a look at Tiny Wars (the Days of Ruin online) war events! It's basically Mario Maker for Advance Wars, you'd have a field day with it! If you don't like their changes, Trilogy is more accurate to the DS version Give it a look!

[@sonsysy4195]

No Missile Chan sign of surrender???

[@SteamWolf320]

Mangs, when will you reveal the maps for the M.A.N.G.S. tournament? Are there even any maps worth playing on lol?

[@antonioluconi9552]

So basically playing as the fog cpu in the gba games? cool

[@mrcglvz]

love the irony of how he destroyed you man, he is so good, nice try Mangs

[@dynosgarcia7645]

I haven't finished the video, but do far I don't feel like you were really abusing this "advantage" At least from my perspective, your played like if it was a standard match and not like you have a blatant advantage that is not a game mechanic In fact seems like rip_ was more conscious about it, considering all you say in day 18

[@unknownperson5162]

Imagine you got bored by the ai fights in the campaign and build maps with a 1 vs 3 teaming and winning that with balanced areas (you have same properties like 1 of the 3 with corner start in pvp)

[@jashloseher578]

Now that's what I call a scrambled egg!

[@KopperNeoman]

Considering he's using a higher tier CO, is this really a handicap match? It seems more like an asymmetrical challenge.

[@Mangs1337]

I discussed this with the GM's and most of them agree that vision of your opponent is like a +3 or +4 tier advantage.

[@LimakPan]

You get the knowledge, but not the vision (for troops). Honestly, would make a great passive for a CO. A rival for Sonja.

[@Santisima_Trinidad]

I knew i saw a spoiler a couple videos back.

[@JacobZhang-ex9so]

13:32 HES INSANE

[@VentusvsVantias]

Has anyone recommended Metal Slug Tactics to you yet, Mangs? It's getting great reviews. Would love to hear your thoughts on it.

[@adamguthrey6160]

I will continue to drop everything for a rip game, especially if its a fog game

[@swagmaster2003]

Hey Mangs, on day 14 (10:37), why didn't you attack with your MD tanks? All rip had was a single neo tank to attack them with and not much tech on the way, while you had two MD's, an artillery and a neo tank in range. Were you afraid of giving him charge?

[@TheFinalChapters]

So now that you're back in the swing of things with AWBW, are we ever going to get closure on the Egg Cup? It was just sort of abandoned without a word over half a year ago...

[@Mangs1337]

No, sorry. It cannot be restarted because too many people are AFK now. I didn't do it without warning, I uttered multiple statements about it. I went on vacation and the people I left in charge just kinda went away without saying anything, so when I came back it wasn't possible to continue.

[@TheFinalChapters]

@@Mangs1337 I see. That's too bad. As far as I'm aware, there was never any official announcement that it was cancelled. We were just told there were issues and to wait and see.

[@lelieutenant7386]

miror strat with one move ahead when it comes to clash ?

[@turbo8628]

Should have cosplayed as sonja for this one

[@chaosryans]

Yeah it would probably have worked better to try flanking him rather than head on since you know where he is and he would have to figure out where you are. Probably wouldn't work after the power though since it'd cut your damage output

[@ManaNek]

Wow that sack for charge on Rip’s first Typhoon 🤯

[@j-rey-]

Next, play against rip_ while he's blindfolded

[@raulbaez8526]

AI Mangs

[@J3tAlone]

Can some better AW players explain why rip built the neo on day 11? I assume insurance for probable tech-up and isn't a huge hit to his economy because income is too high.

[@randomredshirt5274]

both sides are starting to blob, and it is a small map, which means that the next engagement is most likely a big brawl. If all fighting is concentrated in one location, you usually want to tech up, since tech ups mean a lot of firepower in one location, usually at the expense of other fronts. So in e.g. mixed base with a lot of fighting in different locations you usually see just tank spam and tech ups are rare, but in a small map with a brawl in one location you want to tech up, because there are no other fronts that need investment however since Mangs has perfect vision and plays jess, he could counter a md tank by rip relatively easy(he knows its coming, and can counter with a neo, and with perfect vision the md tank can't escape the neo) So it makes sense to skip the md tank and directly tech up to a neo for rip. Also since mangs is in the same position rip can assume mangs also techs up, and his only real counterplay are neos, since his air is worse and mangs can see all artillery traps, so the only response left for md/neos is building you own neos, so yes, insurance against tech ups as you said is also a big reason.

[@J3tAlone]

@randomredshirt5274 wow, thanks for the awesome reply! So basically rip knows neos are his best option once he has enough infantry and vehicles to deter early aggression because air and artillery are useless. At that point he might as well build neos early and often to cover a mangs tech-up each other in case one gets sniped, which generates a lot of charge for him anyway. The neos allow him to control aggression until he gets typhoon where they can delete tanks and won't fight Jess's teched up units on equal terms. I'm sure this isn't everything behind the strat, but seriously what a gigabrain player. Thanks for the writeup, yall AWBW players are crazy.

[@ageup7493]

He used his weakness as his power and you were too confident of your advantage.

[@YourFunkiness]

Advance Wars, but Mangs cheats like the AI.

[@knight_lautrec_of_carim]

Brown desert + drake is like 80% of my picks, they look like little pirates!

[@Eternalwarpuppy]

The advantage of playing standard is that you are supposed to be able to figure out the worst case scenario for what your opponent can do on their turn. If you can't do that despite having vision of their units, you might as well be playing in fog too.

[@ja1369]

Oh great. With this hack the fog global league is busted now

[@privategallade9120]

🥚

[@Pogma776]

Wars gameplay

[@nngnnadas]

you totally should have playes sonja though

[@bonrulapaugh7164]

Maybe you can cheat an fe arena where all the last bosses fight it out!

[@RicardoGonzalez-to7vb]

Am i smelling a casual rank game mode on the horizon, might need more crazy setups like this for a new mode

[@ITNoetic]

If this site is like the real game, rip can figure out what units you're building based on the sound they make when they move on your turn, even in the fog.

[@oof5992]

For a second i thought you meant cheating on your wife 😂

[@Scrap_and_build_ourselves]

No

[@Amalvipls]

Mangs has too little self confidence. I think he is a much better player than he thinks, but he just makes the cardinal sin of comparing himself to THE BEST players instead of recognizing his own skills for what they are.

[@officedullard8722]

Jess is never a bad choice.