Can Intel beat AMD in Mini PC performance? (AtomMan X7 Ti Review vs Minisforum Um780 XTX)

In this review of the AtomMan X7 Ti mini PC s.minisforum.c..., I get a chance to put the Intel Core Ultra 9 185H with Arc Graphics head to head against AMD 7840HS with Radeon 780M in a bunch of gaming tests. Is Intel ready to take the the mini PC gaming crown? Or should they try again next gen? Let's find out! Note that while this is not a sponsored video, I did receive both Mini PCs as free review samples.
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[@lukeearthcrawler896]

Very tough sell at $700.

[@n9ne]

for sure knowing you can buy a steam deck OLED for cheaper and from the looks has about the same performance too

[@XxViciousxX]

Yep for a mini PC that's a bit much. My mini PC was only $360 and did everything I wanted in a mini PC. it's a Firebat R7 7735hs 16 GB of RAM 680m 512gb m.2 SSD (and the ability to use an external GPU if you choose) for anyone curious.

[@ctrl_x1770]

People who generally buy mini-pcs are rarely also in the market for gaming.. or any other graphically intensive task for that matter.

[@puffyips]

Yeah I just built a whole pc with a 6700xt for just over $700 as a secondary system

[@TheTastefulThickness]

Nah it's not. All mini pc's with the higher end cpu's are over $500 bucks. And this has literally everything. Even good networking ports. 2 NVME slots. SD card reader. Wifi 7. Screen. Nothing has these features all together as a complete package.

[@christophermullins7163]

I want one of these new mini PCs that can actually game. It's perfect for a 1080p 60 setup to just play older and less demanding games with a controller on the TV with the family etc.. but it cost so much I'd be better off buying a full PC with modern performance. One day we will get "enough" performance with low power APUs that it will be just as common to game on a small box like this as opposed to the full pc build.

[@MrBalrogos]

How about putting FSR 3.0 Frame Gen mod onto the games and test it :)?

[@FSAPOJake]

2025 we will be getting Strix Halo APUs which will give us exactly what you just mentioned.

[@zodwraith5745]

Yeah, these mini PCs are interesting but for the price you may as well get a laptop which is exactly what I did. You get similar performance but the added benefit of portability, as well as KB/M and a display.

[@yissnakklives8866]

The 780xtx is fine for modern games as long as you aren't expecting 1440p or 4k high/ultra settings. I'm getting 50+ fps on Cyberpunk at medium settings 1080p fsr2.1 balanced and it looks decent. I can play fine and am not distracted by the low settings. Fallout4 runs on high settings at 1440p without issue 40+ fps no upscaling. These apu's can run at 3100mhz without issue and get about 10% more performance, plus allocating 16gb for GPU memory helps a bit too.

[@gooddrugs649]

@@MrBalrogos if you like when your game is looking like potato, sure u can go for fsr3 xD

[@christiannielsen8733]

I’d love to see a mini PC with that rumored 120w Strix Halo and 32GB RAM. But let’s be honest, they would charge a stupid price for it. Whenever one of these systems catch my interest, I always end up looking at the price and when I then compare it to a laptop with similar specs, the laptop pretty much always end up looking like the better deal.

[@SirBlicks]

Given that its only 120watts for both CPU and iGPU the extra 8CUs over the RX 7600 will probably mean the performance wont be as better than the 7600 but it might match it. Not sure if theyre gonna use RDNA 4 or RDNA 3.5.

[@ominousview]

Uh the TGP is 20-25W lower for the Atom Man. what mode did you have it in

[@LiLBitsDK]

that the ryzen can do 30fps 1080p medium in Cyberpunk is wild compared do how rough the game was when it came out

[@ThiagoJaqueta]

The game always ran well on PCs, I myself had no issues with my i5-6600 at the time, old gen consoles struggled because of their potato Jaguar CPU and slow HDD. Even the PS5 and XSX could easily run the 1.0 version of game at a stable 60 FPS on release.

[@Angel7black]

@@ThiagoJaquetanah, im a have to stop you there cause i remember how awful the game ran on release with at the time a RTX 2060 and 3700X. It got high frames with DLSS and raytracing off even at high settings but then would randomly shit itself and drop half its frames depending on the cutscene or where in Night City. Lets not even get into the 8 bugs i would get every hour i would play on average which tbh was impressive it would take 8 of them to get a game breaking bug but also lol they really launched it like that and left it like that for a year

[@PixelatedWolf2077]

​@@Angel7blackwhat happened for you doesn't happen for everyone else though. Sometimes reinstalls fixes things. Sonetimes people like myself don't have issues. I ran a 2080 and a i5 9600K.

[@alphaomega154]

at first when the minisforum reveal this X7 and the HX200G and the HN14X in the CES i thought all those are atomman line up. since they tend to use "classes" for their mini PC line ups. it turns out the atomman is just this one, the X7. the HX200G i think still in the neptune line up, and the HN14X is in the "NUC" line up. just to inform those who are curious, the HX200G has 7945HX ryzen 9 in it, with a DISCRETE RX 7600m XT(yes XT). and the HN14X(or HN149) have a core i9 14900HX and an RTX 4070 laptop DISCRETE GPU. and these 2 are the ones you looking for if you are going to use mini PC for gaming in particular. my only gripe is, not sure about the atomman X7, but the HX200G already rumored to be EXPENSIVE. especially the HN14X. which is ridiculous considering you could get the same spec for a gaming laptop with similar price, but laptops will come with an ARGB keyboard, touchpad built in, BATTERY and monitor screen. if they goes back to how they were , being "affordable", i think they have a bargain on their new line ups.

[@John_Doe1980]

on cyberpunk and what i can see of the other games the Intel gpu is struggling it seems sure that xe arc 8 core gpu should be gettting 2200mhz not 1800mhz wattage issue ?

[@lubossoltes321]

Exactly this. The Intel iGPU does never reach maximum advertised clock speeds while the AMD one has no such issue. Looks like Intel is not feeding enough power to the GPU block for some reason. The same seems to be the case for the i5 and i7 with the i5 being the best of the bunch here since it has the least amount of CPU cores.

[@AjrAlves]

It seems like the power budget for the IGP is a lot lower on meteor lake though.

[@thisisashan]

Yeah I thought similar until i looked them up. Both very power hungry laptop chips. Kinda disappointing showing from intel here.

[@Son37Lumiere]

Intel's new meteor lake chips only bring performance per watt parity to AMD, or a little better depending on the application. It's reasonably faster in productivity but still gets spanked in iGPU performance.

[@PixelatedWolf2077]

​@@thisisashanLunar Lake is gonna have Battlemage iGPU and overall it's gonna be more efficient by far so it'll probably have much more room to stretch its legs

[@thisisashan]

@@PixelatedWolf2077 So far there is no real indication of that. Leaked hype is just leaked hype. Zen6 is claiming a 40%+ perf boost and is claiming by Zen7 they will have PPW and IPC both better than ARM. Leaked hype is specifically meant to keep people in the stock market, seldom does it ever reflect real world performance or figures.

[@PixelatedWolf2077]

@thisisashan Stock Market has ruined many stuff it shouldn't has. Anyways, it's always speculation and to take things with a grain of salt, yes, but products oftentimes DO NEED hype in order to properly get sold, ya know, especially with how mediocre advertising already is nowadays. Plus, we need a great 3rd competitor to really make Nvidia and AMD bolster their own midrange stuff. AMD us doing ok in that sector but Nvidia seems to be purely focusing on the high-end which isn't good.

[@Xist-Mob]

got a um790 barebones brand new from amazon $430 have a 4090 hooked up via m.2 pcie 4.0 x4, loving it. It feels nearly identical to my desktop

[@A2theC]

This was really nice comparison, I've been wondering how these new chipsets would perform for gaming... it seems like they aren't designed for "us" but rather normal business applications and common day use from media consumers, casual gaming is a bit of a stretch even at bare settings Thanks for showcasing these two! Idk what happened I'm subscribed and you dropped out of my recommended for like 2 weeks and I've been getting stuff I don't want to watch. I searched your name to find you today lol

[@gtech66]

The UM780 comes with a smaller power adapter and is currently $400 directly from Minisforum with a 2 year warranty. The AtomMan LED display is just another thing that will fail over time. The newer UM790 has problems with the front HDMI ports at 120k resolution. I got the UM780 barebones, added 32gb Corsair DDR5 RAM, and 2TB. Patriot P400 Nvme, running at 7000MB/s and I love it. I even replaced the tiger screen with the AMD logo.

[@Bajicoy]

I like that minisforum tried to give the 185H more features like the touch screen, camera w/ cover, and sd card reader. All interesting things for niche people. A shame intel drivers are not good enough yet to match AMD.

[@rluker5344]

AMD is using 50% more power. iGPU is heavily power throttling on the Intel system and clearly needs tuning. Shame it comes out of the box that way.

[@paneledp]

I pretty sure the intel gpu is using more power because the intel gpu only records the power going to the igpu while the amd gpu records both cpu and gpu wattage at the same time

[@rluker5344]

@@paneledp I just checked on my 13600k using its iGPU and MSI AB version 4.65 has the same number for CPU and GPU power when using the iGPU, so unless that is different between RPL and MTL then the Intel number is total CPU package power including the iGPU. Still doesn't change the clocks on the iGPU being so terrible. Limiting power consumption on the CPU could fix the iGPU clocks, but that isn't out of the box, that would be tuned and it seems Daniel Owen's intent was an out of the box comparison of those two models. But the core ultra 185h is a 45w part with a max graphics frequency of 2.35 GHz. Any time you see less than that it is being throttled, and not by temps because that CPU was running in the low 50s.

[@666Maeglin]

Two important ATOMMAN questions: - will it come in AMD RYZEN? - does the little screen work with linux?

[@VolkerSchmalz]

Hi Daniel, will You Test the Oculink on this Device with an external graphic card (mayde your Intel ARC A750)?

[@leakyabstraction]

I have the Minis forum MS-01 for a home server. That's also a pretty nice little box. :) I just wish it came with a non-gargantuan power adapter, because I have no use for 180 watts.

[@BrianGarside]

MS-01 sounds a bit more powerful, although this is an attractive package. MS-01 is still my top pick for the 10gb NIC's and I can add a bit more GPU computing to it with a single slot video card which I would use for business tasks not gaming.

[@malcaniscsm5184]

I do like that touch screen top. Other miniPC OEMs take note!

[@Ben_Kudo]

Hello Daniel, I recently found your channel due to wanting to build my first PC, can I get some feedback on if the combination I've chosen is reasonable and if there's any problems I might need to worry about? Here are the specs I've chosen: Motherboard: MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI SSD: Kingston KC3000 2TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 SSD RAM: Kingston FURY Beast BlackDDR5 6000 32GB(16GBx2) CPU: AMD Ryzen 5-7600X 4.7GHz 6Core GPU: PowerColor FIGHTER RX7700XT 12G-F/OC CPU Cooler: DEEPCOOL LS520 SE Power Supply: CORSAIR RM750e 80Plus ATX 3.0 Case: MSI MAG FORGE M100A

[@random-zr5km]

Great video. I'm interested in mini PCs with AMD CPUs for the future. Depending on strix models and how much they cost... What I don't get is why would you game on the mini PC when you have a steam deck already? Also can you update us on everyday use of the mini PC for work/office tasks in like a month or so?

[@aarn7397]

I see it being decent for the use case of tucking it behind a wall mounted TV (that might not have a shelf under or near it for AV equipment, lots of people run HDMI thru walls down to their basement or a central network closet). There's also an option to get an oculink EGPU dock included for $50 extra

[@2006palabras]

I don't know about the XTX price in U.S. but in AMZ Spain that model in 607€ (aprox 659$) with 32 RAM/1 TB NVMe. Also UM790 Pro same conf. for those 645€ (700$). Is it good? I have a mini PC with 5800H (+LG OLED C3 42") but I've got installed 10 GB fiber and my LAN is only 1 GB instead of 2,5 GB. I'm not a gamer. Would it be good? *Adding AMZ Spain has 3 years warranty.

[@IcebergTech]

Hades in the classroom? Hope the PTA doesn’t find out!

[@Fanalytics]

I was hoping for cpu comparisons

[@_Quint_]

Am I the only one who finds Daniels OSD setup way more difficult to decipher than it really should?

[@christopherallard1693]

not really no, what's confusing?

[@HanmaHeiro]

You're not alone. But I also don't know what OSD is

[@BrianGarside]

Looks nice. Would like to see some productivity scoring comparisons against a normal desktop w/ similar CPU to see how much I'm giving up with this.

[@DejayClayton]

I can't speak for X7 Ti (yet), but my UM780 XTX handles everything besides gaming and certain types of video encoding with great ease. DaVinci Resolve, Blender, programming, etc.

[@BrianGarside]

@@DejayClayton Good to know, thanks! I would imagine the gaming limitation is due to a lack of a real GPU.

[@DejayClayton]

@@BrianGarside lack of a discrete GPU, as well as the wattage that would be required to power such a GPU. These mini systems almost always use laptop CPUs and GPUs, which is third-tier gaming performance compare to desktops.

[@H4GRlD]

I wish there were more good Mini ITX motherboard options for sff builds. Especially ones that comes with new, efficient integrated mobile CPUs. Not a huge fan of these Chinese mini pc builds. I wish we could build stuff like the Minisforum MS-01 easily ourselves with readily available Asrock parts or something.

[@АндрейШевченко-к6й]

That's real to make a better SFF-build by yourself, but size matters - will be bigger than those miniPC anyway. Also some parts for SFF (PSU as example) can cost TOO much if you need something specific.

[@H4GRlD]

_Just daydreaming about an affordable and small custom built home server / nas._

[@ryanze26]

an annihiliation by ryzen here. it's so sad intel still can't compete in igpu against amd

[@cajampa]

I think that as soon as the proper arm's based windows systems start to come out. I suspect these kind of mini PC will have to become WAY cheaper. Especially after qualcomm's exclusivity deal is over with Microsoft. For example there is rumors both AMD and Nvidia is cooking up arm's based PC SOC's.

[@-Simple-]

My guy, you could be Dev Lemons' older brother.

[@PipBoykin]

Some of the cheaper mini PC's are nice to run Home Assistant, or as an emulation box

[@n9ne]

i wonder how well this product works with a battery pack and a quest3 using steam link. i have seen people do it with the steam deck but never with something like this. i am guessing it's probably about the same right?

[@rhagsen]

Intel is doing better than i expected in terms of graphics here which is great and i do hope they manage to get their graphic section competitive.

[@DejayClayton]

I hope Intel doesn't kill the Arc before it fully matures.

[@jjsdkjs984w98th]

I have the same Core Ultra 9 chip in the Asus Zenbook 14. Performance is pretty good but the heat and noise are both a bit excessive imo. Definitely need a laptop cooling pad if you are going to actually use it on your lap.

[@ItsDeeno69]

bro u have the worst meteor lake laptop sell it and buy the yoga slim

[@ys053rious6]

AMD's mini pcs if stripped of windows and stick chimera OS on and use the steam OS are little beasts and really hold out even against the consoles, the only down side is no RT but hey that's not everything. With AMD seemingly dropping out of the bigger GPU race I have been pondering weather if they are gearing towards more extremely powerful CPUS/APU market given that is where they are strongest. Perhaps in the more distant future GPUs wont be a thing given how well AMDs APUs perform now. I know it wont replace things like a 4090 but its food for thought

[@SlayerUnchained]

I'm more curious how did you get MW3 benchmark to work? It hasn't worked since the season 3 update.

[@danielowentech]

I found a strange solution on reddit that actually worked for me: "You can press Enter to open up the channel tab, then back out of it with the ESC key until the "ESC CANCEL" text under "waiting for the host" is no longer highlighted. Now you can spam space bar to start the benchmark." No idea why it worked.

[@jrherita]

Which model are the 5 gbps NICs?

[@shoobadoo123]

I would love to have something this small, but performance just isn't there yet for me

[@smika710]

Yeah buy how does it stack up against my N95 mini pc Daniel?

[@Johnwick-ed7vo]

Kinda expensive, in my opinion and if you want to game as well as perhaps video editing, an external GPU has to be added hopefully useing that oculink. So again while most of these small computers are cool, the better ones are a bit pricey then you have to pony up the dough for the external gpu and housing as well as additional cable's perhaps. While I see potential with this form factor I just don't know if it is really ready to take the place of it bigger realitives, also if you add it all up, you can get a really nice editing rig, not new, no latest and greatest , but a workhorse with good to great performance.

[@DejayClayton]

Video encoding is a real issue with mini AMD systems, because they contain, well, AMD GPUs. I look forward to seeing if Intel QuickSync offers any advantage here, especially in DaVinci Resolve. Also, it kind of sucks that eGPUs are such a niche product, still. It's hard to find affordable, reliable, performant ones in stock that take advantage of all the recent advances in the technology (TB4, OcuLink, etc.)

[@berkertaskiran]

Why is BG3 1080p medium is the same fps as Cyberpunk 1080p medium? Never seen that before. Isn't the CPU in this thing pretty strong?

[@DejayClayton]

BG3 is a surprisingly demanding game, for how simple it is. It could be optimized a lot, lot better.

[@jaycoba6688]

Can you a build for ultrawide monitor

[@Texas_1985]

Both devices seem to have what I would consider to be unplayable performance in the titles shown, with the exception of that last game.

[@leakyabstraction]

The only product category Daniel still really doesn't want to review are VR headsets 🙈

[@H786...]

hey mr owen, i need help with my assignment

[@leakyabstraction]

What I'd have been really interested in is the idle power consumption. :(

[@yissnakklives8866]

5 watt

[@leakyabstraction]

@@yissnakklives8866 That's surprisingly low (but obviously good news). My MS-01 has a pretty bad 13W idle power draw.

[@QuentinStephens]

Early on you said that you would be having this in your classroom but I missed you saying why. And did you mean that it would be your teaching PC or that there would be one for every student?

[@danielowentech]

I just use it at my desk for office tasks, email, grading, etc. play some games on my lunch break.

[@QuentinStephens]

@@danielowentech Excellent!

[@Angel7black]

1 minute in and im confused who products like this are even for, let alone why its $700

[@adlibconstitution1609]

So your saying 8gb of vram is not enough in 1080p? Cards like rtx 3070, Rx 6650xt/6600xt, 3060ti, Rx 6600, Rx 5700xt and rtx 2080super = all 8gb cards will become obsolete in 1080p?

[@АндрейШевченко-к6й]

For 1080p-high/ultra 8Gb VRAM might be an issue. But more likely old cards gonna be too weak for UE5 games)

[@Chasm9]

Boy, the frame time graph has a seizure on the Intel PC 😬

[@blackstar-genX]

Please Intel make battle mage be good.

[@einstien2409]

First gen intel being this close to the AMD is pretty good.

[@gamingagent80]

How can u get that animated wallpaper at 1:50

[@danielowentech]

That's the Mystify screen saver built in to windows

[@gamingagent80]

@@danielowentech thx for the quick reply

[@留德青山菜喇叭冇叉燒]

Missing 64GB JUST 32GB CAN BUY IT 😢

[@Just_An_Ignacio]

I CAN'T WAIT until Strix Point or Strix Halo Mini PCs, specially with 32GB of System memory (DDR5 6000+ or LPDDR5X 6400+). That's the iGPU revolution a lot of us have been waitin for years. Maybe then people won't have to depend of FSR/XeSS for gaming decently on these little machines.

[@artc1688]

low quality device, used it for 2 weeks in our store and fell apart... No Thank you... Prefer a quality Intel NUC or ASUS NUC Pro -> if my business depend on it

[@Ralipsi]

That's clearly NOT for me.

[@Hito343]

It's expensive for what if offers.

[@DejayClayton]

Expensive but small, and extremely quiet.

[@DjVendetta]

I am waiting for the HX200G

[@Son37Lumiere]

It's going to be expensive to the point that you could just build a system for the same price that would be faster, unfortunately.

[@DjVendetta]

@@Son37Lumiere probably not more expensive then my GPD Win 4 8840u and GPD G1. Its all relative. It will make sense for me as I am a Linux gamer and EGPU's are a pain in the ass on Linux and there aren't really any other options comparable to the HX200G in SFF. Nvidia is just not reliable enough on Linux. I just wish they were building it with the 7900m instead. That would have been a beast of a steam machine. I would have easily paid 2k for that. I also own an asus G14 with a 6700s and its just not powerful enough and the only other all AMD options are not available here in the Philippines. And forget importing something yourself over 1000USD. You will easily double the cost with taxes and you will be lucky to actually get it. There are customers out there for the HX, just sounds like you are not one of them. And thats ok.

[@Son37Lumiere]

@@DjVendetta I understand your argument. But to clarify my own, you could build a really nice all AMD custom PC in an SFF form factor utilizing a Fractal Ridge or Terra for instance; a 7800x3D (or rather 7900x3D since there's not a big difference in price currently) combined with a 7900 GRE would only cost around $1400 all in minus storage. Such a system would be much faster than the HX200G and not a lot bigger, plus upgradeability. I'd be willing to bet the HX200G will be around $1200 give or take. Granted that's US pricing, if prices in the Philippines are much higher or you can't even get the components than that's a totally different story.

[@DjVendetta]

@@Son37Lumieredifferent strokes for different folks. Already did something similar with a 7800xt and a 5700x. Was way too powerful for my needs not running 4k or high frame rates. Use about half the watts running 60fps on an uwfhd monitor with my g1 and win 4. Electricity is expensive in the Philippines. Would rather have something different and cool then to give more money to the electric company for no good reason.

[@Son37Lumiere]

@@DjVendetta Good point. Everyone's circumstances are different.

[@mandasantoso]

Did you use the intel baseline profile for this new i9? Do you have to?

[@totalermist]

Mobile chips don't have the issues that desktop chips run into - they're configured to use way below 80W so no problems there.

[@Cole_Zulkowski]

in my opinion intel has far more issues in there stuff than amd does which is why amd is still top dog over intel since intel overclocks there things over their max limit while amd keeps in withing rnage with giving you a good chunck of wiggle room for overclocking without the system decideds to choke on the overclock that you would do with intel

[@run7447]

Does anyone know what he teaches as a teacher?

[@DejayClayton]

School-type material.

[@krjal3038]

Maths and/or science iirc. He's mentioned it in earlier videos.

[@BlackJesus8463]

Nice!

[@jethro_Jr]

all I can say is wow.

[@Mathster_live]

If it's not too much to asked, can you maybe do a quick yt short testing games like Elden ring, Dota 2 and Pal World with these Mini PCs?

[@smartcam1701]

Barebones, 650 vs 400

[@MrBalrogos]

How about putting FSR 3.0 Frame Gen mod onto the games and test it :)?

[@kwakes212]

Id rather a legion go

[@mattirealm]

Meteor Lake needs some help apparently. I would also say that AMD APU's are still pretty damn mediocre! I think that "might" change with Strix Point, or Strix Halo, or whatever that high-powered one is called comes out later this year or next year. The one with 40 CU's or something crazy! I still prefer Intel mobile chips paired with a dGPU. They are just faster in general. I do own an AMD Rembrandt APU (6800H) with both 680M and 3070ti and the chip is not great. The 3070ti works well, but I hate that AMD chips now only get super hot and run at high temps consistently, while Intel stuff just seems to work at lower temps. The integrated graphics on the 6800H are just mediocre. I disable those and use the Nvidia dGPU. I have also seen reviews for AMD's 8000 series APU's and it is like......meh. AMD does make good CPU's and GPU's, but I still don't think they are great with their APU's. Thank you for sharing the video!

[@mrhassell]

I just saw a comment on the Minisforum website (review), calling the Um780 XTX a "Mini Mainframe" - lol

[@DejayClayton]

It is pretty powerful, TBH

[@bumblebeebat-te5xv]

These are an interesting curiosity but basically an anathema to any PC gamer who builds their own system, which is the vast majority of your audience, as revealed by your own recent poll.

[@nastyyoda5673]

Ryzen 9000 gonna beat intel so bad

[@anonytuser711]

Intel integrated graphics suck. Gimicks won't sell this unit at $700.

[@GiacomBono]

Intel istill ten years behind than AMD!!!! almost 20 fps more in favour of AMD, there is a clear winner!

[@nempk1817]

No.

[@zodwraith5745]

I've always found mini PCs interesting but every time I look into them the prices keep me away and I just buy another laptop. You get the same performance but the added benefit of a KB/M and display, not to mention portability. Plug it into a TV and you have the same thing as a mini PC. I think the biggest issue is economies of scale where mini PCs just aren't popular enough to compete with laptop prices.

[@timmyjohns222]

Wouldn't game on either of them just buy a steam deck!

[@wayne8797]

Intel is so cooked… 😢

[@fredsorre6605]

nothing new to see here I guess.

[@vmafarah9473]

Didnt know older, AMD CPU is this good.

[@KN-592]

1:07 smort teacher he know Chinese

[@vensroofcat6415]

Mini PCs are very cool emotionally and kind of stupid intellectually at the same time. Cute... Throw away just like laptop, but missing quite a few perks of a laptop. Probably ok for company Excel, Outlook PC, but then in minimal configuration.

[@DejayClayton]

I use mine for production workloads in DaVinci Resolve, Blender, and programming. It replaces a far, far larger tower that had less performance but more watt consumption. You'll hear no complaints from me about capable mini PCs, aside from general problems with AMD's GPUs like lack of video encoding horsepower for certain codecs.

[@vensroofcat6415]

@@DejayClayton If you value compact size over server level noise, sure - go for it. You can't have 7950X + 7900XTX (or fit) running nearly silent in a case so small. Not from AMD and even less so from Intel. If you really go for full load productivity PC where time is money. Or if you are just some random guy "I do stuff a lot and it's good enough for me (20min a day)", I really couldn't care less about the opinion. Sure there are places like Hong Kong where every square feet is paid in gold. But other than that comfortable slightly larger flexible case is much better.

[@DejayClayton]

@@vensroofcat6415 what is your definition of full-load productivity? I can edit 4K videos with my mini PC.

[@vensroofcat6415]

@@DejayClayton And I can travel to India on a bike. So? Are you editing 8h a day for money? Because in that case you would want most powerful CPU and GPU with 600W power budget. It's like the saying - "Everyone buys convertible. Once." Same goes for "gaming PC" and mini PC. It's an emotional purchase. And once you turn on reason, some microATX or alike will make much more sense and offer you a lot more for the same. You need portable? Good luck with all the cables every time and you still need screen. Just buy a laptop.

[@DejayClayton]

@@vensroofcat6415 ok, but let’s be honest, no one is suggesting that a $700 mini PC is going to compete with an “industry strength” PC that costs $5,000 to $10,000 on average. Mini PCs are now competing with desktop/tower PCs that cost between $700 and $2,500. And yes, I replaced a $2,500 PC with a mini PC that cost less than $700 on sale.

[@keerthan7558]

A mini Pc immediately loses value proposition when it crosses $500 mark for me. For $750 i can build an itx case with almost double or triple the performance

[@DejayClayton]

Triple the size too. For some of us, desk real estate is a thing.

[@keerthan7558]

@@DejayClayton ssf builds can get pretty small you , they don't really take up much desk space, especially if you go for sandwich builds. Just attach it to the bottom of the desk if it bothers you or under it.

[@DejayClayton]

@@keerthan7558 I have other things on, under, and near my desk 😂

[@keerthan7558]

@@DejayClayton damn okay 😂😅

[@unitybeing777]

AMD is ahead, simple, but Intel gotta get back to USA manufacturing and hiring Americans.

[@Wobbothe3rd]

Intel still has better single thread performance per dollar. Intel does far more for USA manufacturing than AMD.

[@Mr11ESSE111]

This mini PC have Maxi price and garbage performance and you still need to buy screen,keyboard,mouse,speakers and then laptops get more sense

[@Lionheart1188]

eww take the camera out.

[@TheTastefulThickness]

Why is everyone centered around gaming. Every PC is a GAMING pc. Every mini PC must be for GAMING. Why are we testing this in games...its got nothing to do with gaming. Lets GAME. GAMING MOUSE. GAMING KEYBOARD. Everyone needs to calm down. Some of us are normal people. How about testing how well OBS runs with Foobar and updates downloading. Using GIMP? As if all a computer is good for is Call of Duty. Why?

[@GrainGrown]

*it's *Let's

[@rluker5344]

Probably because both of those mini PCs are good enough that you can't tell a difference in lighter, typical and easy to test workloads. Maybe the time from waking from sleep to having a handful of typical programs running?

[@TheTastefulThickness]

If that's true then why do all of these reviewers say, "it's still not good enough for 4k video editing" then? Why isn't he testing 2k video editing? You're telling me it doesn't take a moment for photo editing programs to complete complicated processes? It does. This is just cope. I don't want to see 400 reviews on how many frames per second COD gets. It's not relevant to everyone to do this over and over. Try LITERALLY ANYTHING else.

[@DejayClayton]

I agree, a productivity benchmark would be extremely useful, perhaps broken down further by scenario (e.g. video editing has decidedly different demands than programming, etc.)