Can Kodak Gold 200 Film Beat the New Leica M11P? Digital vs Film Color Comparisons!

[@WillzyxTheZypod]

Your content rocks. Please keep it coming!

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

More soon-- had to make some grant applications for our artwork in December-

[@cwantuch]

Enjoy your channel tremendously! I was a digital shooter who switched back to film and still re-learning how to get the most consistent results. My biggest barrier to sharing photos is the younger generation in the family almost detest the look of film because they only know iPhone photos and think that is the standard. So now I shoot both at family events because I know one day when their hard drive crashes, and I’m no longer around to fix that for them (I am into tech), they may finally appreciate my negatives as backups :-)

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

Film is forever!

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

And thank you for the super thank!!! My first one here on KZbin!

[@vinylisland6386]

The last M3 shot with Ektar and the collapsible 'cron is stunning!

[@angrd020]

I subbed three minutes into this video..... Yes, you're that good! P.S. I've been on the M3/Gold train most of this year.

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

Thank you-- welcome to the conversation!

[@jhasi7974]

yey another analog vs digital comparison. really loving those, need more!

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

20 years and counting 🤣

[@Keckegenkai]

film colours and aesthetics are still unbeatable. I wonder if digital will ever get there straight out of the camera with more pleasing film like grain.

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

I doubt it….

[@k4kafka]

Add your own “grain” in post processing, if you need it so badly…

[@bluenick4577]

You know people used to hate grain and that's why they used medium and large format in serious photoshoots 😂 I'm sorry but using 35mm film is solely for aesthetic reasons And i agree 35mm film is unbeatable when it comes to portraits or some other aspects it just 'looks' better to me digital just can't compare

[@spedi6721]

To my eye this looked to me like a comparison between Fujifilm and Kodak film. You can't deny the resolution of the m11 (very visible at the leaves), but overall, I also liked the look/feel of the Kodak Gold more. In that case I even would prefer the Gold over the Ectar. Thank you for this comparison

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

You are very welcome.

[@LensForgotten]

One great film/dig... A/B comparisons.... Like how you made each side by side and big on the video...Fun for peeping..... I seem to notice the quality of the 35mm scan of the negative makes or breaks it. I have had some pretty awful scans from labs. Pick your lab wisely if you don't do it yourself. Love your channel bro, just came across it....Subbed.

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

Thank you and welcome to the conversation!

[@__lancaster]

Interesting observations and I concur that the images shot on vintage lens and an 11p are very pleasing! Thanks 🙏

[@erichramone7812]

Summicro with Gold 200 is money! So nice 👍

[@grahambell1959]

Great video. Would the Monochrom change your mind about digital black and white?

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

No- I owned one of the originals- quite beautiful but not the same-

[@grahambell1959]

@@FIGITALREVOLUTION Interesting. Never been tempted to get one because I believe film black and white has a tonal range digital can't match.

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

Hmmmm- depends- on the D’Vinci with 12 blacks it is pretty incredible- most printers of course can’t do that. With and icc and a good file it is pretty amazing what is possible but it is not better just a little different-

[@elleoat]

I am unfamiliar with digital camera tech so pardon this question but what do you mean when at 11:09 that part of your issue is the CMOS sensor?

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

Leica first used a CCD sensor in the M8-M9 cameras- lots of bite but noisy high iso- the CMOS sensors are what all makers now use as they are cheaper to produce and have far less noise but they lack great color and punch- only sensor I really like is the Foveon but Sigma has owned that tech and has done little with it- looks the most like transparency film.

[@superkrell]

The one and only lens I use with the Leica MD 262 is the Rigid Summcron 50mm f/2...!

[@johnkasianowicz6536]

I recently bought a collapsible Summicron 50 (Leica Thread Mount). I’m looking forward to using it on my M6 TTL, M11, and M11 Monochrom.

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

Awesome lens!

[@johnkasianowicz6536]

@ It’s in pretty decent shape. This Summer, I also bought a demo Voigtländer collapsible nickel-plated collapsible 50 mm f/3.5 LTM lens. It’s pretty sharp and vey contrasty.

[@j.f.7509]

Very interesting! Another comparison that I think could be fun would be comparing a modern lens (ex. CV Apo-Lanthar 50mm or Apo-Summicron) with film vs the vintage Summicron on the M11. I also agree about the "organic" look of film, to me it produces a sense of depth that is absent in digital.

[@Super.Quasar]

Very interesting. I currently use an M11 Monochrom and it is superb, but maybe too perfect. I’m pondering. For 40 years I tried to reduce grain with 35mm and 120 and it seems that most people want it included in the image. Puzzled.

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

I think you hit it on the head- is it too perfect - emulation could help- next video on that soon

[@henrybeckmeyer8393]

The vintage lens thing was true even with the M9 and original Monochrom. Those lenses just take the edge off, and I think handle light into shadow transitions better. Good video.

[@rencohatenboer9684]

I think digital camera's and lenses are perfect nowadays, the only difference is the photographer and his post editing qualities.

[@gibsonwolle]

... interesting juxtaposition and comparison - well done

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

Thank you!

[@number6705]

Very interesting comparison, film is still king

[@chriscard6544]

I love the ektar 100 for the foliages but not on the portrait: skin is very red.

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

It is but my wife does have very red cheeks- I’m probably in trouble now 😅

[@stephanpaier9887]

Have you tried, what would happen if you only import the pictures in lightroom and only press the "AUTO"-button? would they become more similar?

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

I have- the input is just so different

[@stephanpaier9887]

@@FIGITALREVOLUTION I understand, thanx for the clarification

[@GreyGhost-r4z]

I was surprised at Kodak Gold 200.

[@pd1jdw630]

Oh boy, I think Leica made a really good camera with the m11. Also this did show how much an impact the lens has on the photo. And how important your lens is, specially with digital. The “vintage” lenses lenses really held up for their age. I’m still shooting Ektar though. And i see what you mean with the medium format look of the m11. This was a great comparison that film is still great. But digital, although doesn’t get the “feel” of film. It’s pretty good if not getting better in some cases. The Gold struggled with the lots of fine contrasts in the red leaves. The Ektar not so much. The M11 didn’t bother with that contrast.

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

The M11 could improved with a different type of sensor technology but overall it is very well made just $$$

[@dizzybuizzy9347]

Everything comes down to Preference, and Affordability... Digital vs film is very Controversial, but I guess that's why you made this Video!

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

The side by side has been happening for over 20 years now.... I'm more for showing options to people.

[@dizzybuizzy9347]

@@FIGITALREVOLUTION - I don't know of other Options, except Digital, or Film.. Is there a third option?

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

@ lots of options within those two camps

[@javaman4584]

Very interesting. The M11-P uses a 60.3 megapixel sensor, which I assume is a Sony sensor. If one doesn't have the money for Leica gear, would they be able to achieve the same results with Sony equipment, for example an A7RV?

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

Leica is very quiet about who makes the sensor--

[@k4kafka]

For obvious reasons

[@y2ktube]

Video @ 7:56 "look at the difference in color" - FYI; the collapse 5cm Summicron had a radioactive element within its optical formula. With age they ALL form an AMBER cast (Depending on storage, some have more than others). If one has the lens serviced for the very common fog/haze, at the same time it should be UV BLEACHED. With this the resolution & color cast will return to its original 50's design/output...

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

This lens has been serviced and is spot on.

[@y2ktube]

@@FIGITALREVOLUTION - FYI, I'm a Leica technician. Did your tech specifically state that he UV Bleached it ? - If not, then he didn't do it. That element must be removed and placed in front of a strong UV light for I week. - BTW; leaving the entire lens in Sunlight over-heats the lubricants and can cause lube fuming (Fog/haze microcasting).

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

He is also a Leica technician- I had the same process done for my Aero Ektar 4x5 lens as it had yellowed a lot since 1942-

[@y2ktube]

@@FIGITALREVOLUTION - "He is also a Leica technician" - Great ! - I know every Leica tech in the USA. Who's your tech ?

[@RobertFalconer1967]

Film will always offer more tonal gradations by virtue of its organic nature. But when it comes to acuity, cleanliness and repeatable color accuracy, digital today wins, hands down. But film, properly exposed and processed, holds up quite well...provided the conditions don't get too drastic.

[@MakersTeleMark]

I'll take the voight 50 1.2 nocton on my M3 and get the best of both worlds. It works best for me. Dreamy at 1.2, and clinically super sharp stopped just even a little bit down.

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

Voigtlander makes some awesome lenses

[@WilsonGomez]

I don't need to spend $9K on a camera but if I had to pick between digital or film I would spend the $9K on the M11. I'm grateful we have digital cameras that take the stress and money pit out of film photography.

[@GaryIrving-x5o]

Wilson, did you just say that FILM was the money pit after saying you'd gladly spend NINE THOUSAND DOLLARS on an M11digital? 😂🤪 Digital is for fun Film is forever 📷

[@bluenick4577]

​@@GaryIrving-x5oactually the quite opposite Digital is forever and film is for fun

[@WilsonGomez]

​@@GaryIrving-x5o You just don't know the money I lost just on user error that I made. I stop shooting film mostly because Digicam were like TAMAGOTCHI around 2003/2004, they were cheap and sold everywhere. 2002 I was shooting a Canon slr, film photography just got popular on KZbin during Covid just like this channel was made 3 years ago.

[@GaryIrving-x5o]

@@bluenick4577 after 50 years I still have all my film images. Most of my digital images have been lost due to corruption.

[@vinylisland6386]

How funny, I bought a 1965 M3 with a 1956 collapsible 'cron about three months ago.

[@kendea]

Are you going to get the Leica reporter jacket 😂😂

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

My wife refuses to let me wear one 😂

[@rjbiii]

M3 + rigid summicron + gold 200 all day out of these options

[@GreyGhost-r4z]

Ektar 100 ❤

[@nunop6606]

I shoot film, rarely I use my D700. Last time I bought an Sony 7C after 4 days I gave that camera to my son. I prefer reality on photography.

[@thevoiceman6192]

Your first comparison of the Kodak gold and the M11p digital. In the digital you lost all the colors on the leaves especially the reds . I am not sure why that happened. I am Strictly a film schooter. I have seen digital photos in art shows that looked like film because they they did not do any post editing. It was straight out of the camera.

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

I suspect they applied a film filter in the camera- post will make it look more like film tho if applied correctly- stay tuned for that series of videos coming very soon!

[@ironmonkey1512]

It's the high dynamic range making it look dull and flat. It really could have used some contrast adjustments.

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

@ it’s actually probably KZbin’s compression and I am trying not to enhance the images beyond just the basics

[@ironmonkey1512]

@@FIGITALREVOLUTION you can't expect image capture from a modern sensor to replicate a good image or what we naturally see. It's doing its job to capture a superset of the information you need to give you flexibility in editing.

[@thevoiceman6192]

​ They didn't post process it. From the camera to the printer to the wall. and I do not know if there was a film filter in the early days of digital.

[@Frisenette]

Neither Gold 200 nor Ektar represents the epitome of resolution. And you only get the resolution out that you scanned at. An Imacon is not that great for 135 if we are talking resolution. 6400 dpi is in the low end for high resolving film. Try photographing the exact frame with Provia or Portra 160. Do a really tight macro on a few small parts (a couple of square millimeters) and the same for the equivalent digital frame. Chose parts with lots of micro contrast, difficult colour transitions and low contrast textures. That will show people the exact difference between the two technologies.

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

6400 is about as high as it gets for 35mm unless you have a true drum scanner

[@Frisenette]

A drum scanner isn’t much better. The best for 135 and smaller is greater than 1:1 macro and stitch. WRT resolution of course. Drums and Imacons still have their place in other respects.

[@GreyGhost-r4z]

I’m never selling my film cameras !!

[@thecolourdarkroomguide]

Hi, Negatives are better printed, scanning doesn't show the full depth of colour. this is more of a test of the scanner than the film.

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

It’s 2024- 90%+ of color film is scanned these days- I love my darkroom days but the scale and options for paper I can print at 11 color is amazing. With proper icc controls and thoughtful color space usage I can hit colors on a proper paper that would be difficult to match traditionally unless we are talking a dye transfer - I’m actually looking at a Eliot Porter dry transfer print as I type-- so beautiful. Additionally- unless you are talking a Cibachrome or again Dye Transfer or maybe a Fresson the modern color printing when done right is way more archival.

[@lensman5762]

I use digital quite a lot, but I also still use film. Digital looks fake to my eyes, the new generation even more so. In the final analysis it is made up of zeros and ones, not organic matter., although we have to be aware that by scanning a film we are digitising the film. The more AI is injected into digital imaging the worse it gets. The biggest problem with film, sadly is film itself or rather it's pricing.

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

Yep-- but of course scanning film is better than photographing film with a camera as scanners are dot for dot so better color accuracy whereas the CMOS sensor with the Bayer patters has to interpolate 2/3 of the date in RAW orocessing

[@lensman5762]

@FIGITALREVOLUTION Yes, that is true.

[@astromeeting]

Analogue-digital comparisons have been irrelevant to me since 20 years. As a pro, I produce results with digital technology that I could only dream of in the film days. And I must never forget: time is money!

[@aantonic]

good for you

[@bluenick4577]

Yup exactly digital has surpassed film in terms of pure quality but i still find film better in portrait shoots I mean way better not technically better though 😂 just pure aesthetic

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

time is money but I care about the feeling I want first in a artwork... it really is just a matter of working style.

[@goorackerelite]

Film wins

[@rafibenatar2519]

Comparison should digital camera print and film camera with traditional print not digital scan and print otherwise it’s useless ok,

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

Don’t be ridiculous- how would I share it on KZbin- at the end it is all digital you are seeing-

[@rafibenatar2519]

@ yes but I would take your word if one is better then the other you will be the judge ok,

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

@@rafibenatar2519 I would not say one is better but rather each are different depending on your needs- it’s nice to have choice

[@FIGITALREVOLUTION]

Yep- love having choice so I pick what I need for a specific shoot

[@rencohatenboer9684]

@@FIGITALREVOLUTION negative scan digital and you need a lot of corrections to get good clours, so it's a bad comparison. Also 36x24 negatives scans looks very bad on my 27 inch 4K monitor, thats why I only use my Hasselblad or 4x5.