Can Koreans accept an LGBT Kpop idol? (Holland)

[@DKDKTV]

Unfortunately, no one we interviewed knew of Holland. We were also trying to do research on him, but there were very few articles about him. I guess it's difficult to promote yourself without a company to support you. A Day in the Life of a Full-time KZbinr : kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6qpaWRulsp9l7M You need to listen to her dreamy voice : kzbin.info/www/bejne/pomVoah-d6l-fZI

[@nicolelee1599]

DKDKTV can u collab with SS couple plz? I find u guys both entertaining and I think that a collaboration video of both of you guys would be an awesome video. I don’t know if ur going to see this comment, but just reading it would be enough for me.

[@zedekiahthemoonwalker]

lol

[@lifetobelived9102]

He has an instagram account.

[@tally_almeida]

DKDKTV Holland made a livestream talking about it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5mti6dthLB-j9E

[@marianacarina2580]

It's not the company factor, there are indie artists that can do well in Korea. I guess you guys know why he don't have articles about him, and why a company don't accept him.

[@seranes_silence]

"I dont feel anything. In many M/V's you see a man and a woman kissing. It's similar to that." BLESS THAT MAN

[@primarinegaming6761]

YuukoDream Serenade I saw that part of it as soon as I read this comment

[@s0lareee661]

1:13

[@charismao23]

Serane ikr?

[@aleexoyeol3409]

ikr , like , what's the difference tho? he kissing a HUMAN TOO it's not like he kiss an alien or smth tho 😔

[@ShreyaSingh-oe6gj]

Periodt!

[@leen-or1dc]

the couple were lowkey woke

[@formoftherapy]

That turtleneck dude is pretty mature about his words. I dig it.

[@shaimaaziz6415]

omg PD aaaa nice seeing you here lmao

[@DKDKTV]

He was from Australia, and seemed to have thought about this issue more than others.

[@jeromevu2542]

Yeah over here in Australia. The perspective towards the LGBT Community is usually very open. I've talked with a few friends about this before, and they're neutral about this topic. When a person is identified as either Male or Female. It does not restrict them to loving only the opposite gender. They are free to show affection to the same sex. It should not affect anyone at all. We only just recently approved of Gay Marriage with a vote given across Australia. Although this may just be the view from my age being in the teenager audience.

[@myathegrandma]

Same

[@aerigom7902]

Form of Therapy I thought that as well

[@revolrtol]

The guy with the black turtle neck and the boy and girl from 1:00 had the best reactions. Unlike that girl who said it’s only ok because they’re handsome but she wouldn’t listen to an LGBT artist. It kinda felt like she was ok with people fetishizing gay men but is actually against real gay relationships. It’s messed up.

[@sweetheartcandy93]

Most fangirls I've realized over the years all over the world have this view. They read the fanfics, ship and write their own but they are often mad homophobic/uncomfortable with real life LGBTQ+ people who have to seal with real life issues

[@nicolec.7424]

@@sweetheartcandy93 False.Most ppl in general are no like that.

[@appye7994]

@@sweetheartcandy93 im not really sure tbh... im kinda like that lol, but i fully support the LGBTQ+ community...

[@stanin2it690]

they all have these lgbt ships but actually can't support the community i-

[@roefane2258]

I think she meant she LIKED it because she was attracted two handsome men. Which also isn’t a great thing but, it’s still a form of fetish. But it’s slightly better, she was speaking her opinions not trying to hid behind the “most Koreans” shield that gets held up by many people in these that have negative opinions.

[@Aiden6iz]

The snow falling at the end of the video is so aesthetic. So nice... I wish it’s snowing here...

[@despina013]

Have the snow from where I'll live! Take it! Just make spring come a little faster and we'll give you all the snow you want, free! :)

[@OliviaM-hr7vw]

Ah come to Canada 😂 We have too much of it I'm sure everyone would be happy to share

[@sugamaniac6079]

Same I wish it was snowing here too in Australia

[@kathyc1998]

Hi come to Canada we have a lot of snow to share with you guys ❄️⛄️

[@tanukitanuki5585]

I can also share you snow from France, Switzerland and Italy 🙈

[@francescatravagli7310]

I love how you asked the question "Why do people react differently to "fan service." and actual LGBT" Beautiful :)

[@heyitscaseyanne]

The guy in the black turtle neck at 5:12 gave some great answers. He had a level head and looks at things from all views. I wish more people could react like him, not saying any of these reactions were bad. But he seems to have a very good head on his shoulders. I’ve always supported LGBT but it’s always nice to hear how other cultures view the topic as well :)

[@lolama8235]

Casey Anne he used the therm « biologically »... 😕

[@dianason2712]

Lola MA to some degree it is true though. If you think about.

[@yenniestan]

Lola MA yes... he was doing really great until use that word haha

[@iknowfacebutidontknowname5880]

@@dianason2712 It's complete bullshit, that's what it is. It's not biological, it's social, just like homophobia is a human concept. South Korea is way behind when it comes to that kind of stuff, but at least they're making progress.

[@nicolelayno4664]

"There are also fans that like fanfics which depict gay love between members" CODE RED PEOPLE WE HAVE BEEN EXPOSED

[@yourstruly985]

ABORT MISSION; I REPEAT; ABORT MISSION

[@whooopsiesssssssss9770]

Ohh my gosh😭now we r all gonna go jail

[@MrFlaym95]

hahahahahaha

[@ireaut9322]

RUN FOR IT

[@ayumilee6853]

DASI RUN RUN RUN

[@BEFR3SH]

im glad you guys took the opportunity to learn and be more understanding. I'm looking forward to more great content from you two.

[@NJ-uq8cc]

I do agree that your original reaction video was homophobic, but I also think that the way you handled it, and indeed this whole video, was very mature. You took responsibility for the fact that your original reaction wasn't great, but you took the time to think about it and spread news about Holland, for which I'm very grateful - not many people would do that.

[@reno8494]

What happened? Please I'm new here

[@peachylemonade4319]

Tbh ppl need to be more understanding, they grew up in such environment what do u expect.. plus what the black turtleneck guy said totally made sense and I think it applies to dkdktv too

[@notwerkinginthishouse8634]

@@reno8494 Well i think guys from the channel negatively reacted to hollands mv kissing with his bf but then afterwards realized it was horrible so they made this other reaction video of other people to apologize so yeah...

[@reno8494]

@@notwerkinginthishouse8634 hmmm, I see. Well, to be honest , that doesn't make them a good person . Afterall, they definitely must have received backlash for their homophobia, meaning the fans were angry which could've affected their views= less money if not their channel getting taken down. Perhaps if the fans didn't react that way they would never apologize or whatsoever. So I can't really praise them for it , a lot of people would play nice just to get what they want, maybe he still hates gay people but just fears rejection from fans . Either ways, I don't like him not do I hate him, I just hope he truly rethinks his poor actions.

[@notwerkinginthishouse8634]

@@reno8494 Yeah, i dont praise people for a bare minimum Its ok not to support lgbtq but to descriminate them and talk really rude about them is never ok Since Holland survived so much and a lot of lgbtq did so much great and yet people only love queebaiting but as soon they come out and have lovers, or dont look "very appealing" , it geTs really disgusting Like in the video i noticed like it feels like a fetishization of gay couples

[@poet695]

They actually reacted a lot better than I assumed they would 👌 thanks for this content

[@hanak5479]

"explicit" theyre literally kissing fully clothed lmao

[@shbr5513]

Late but that's explicit in sk 😭😂 even their kdramas have dry kisses because of the age ratings

[@Meijibby]

@@shbr5513 so true tho even kdramas their kiss scenes are so dry asf-

[@Sonnenanbeterin1991]

Well they also cencore topics about suicide in lyrics.. try to understand they have different culural backgrounds

[@jisookim1452]

well even if it was a heterosexual couple kissing it would be considered explicit

[@Kayoscrochetcosplay]

mentions fanservice *shows bunch of pics of heechul* lmao

[@charlottesmom]

kayla wilkins , No kidding huh! 😆💜

[@AkoSiKris]

On point there guys. I've seen many fans even "demand" fan service and even ship bromances... but they feel totally different when faced with a real one. Talk about double standards. It will probably take a long time for SKorea (I think) to fully accept the LGBT community. Good luck!

[@marija8344]

Krystel Faye Tiu why do they even need to accept it

[@okay7976]

Babu N accept them = treat them as a normal human like everyone else, It doesn't mean they are forced to think it's right, just don't discriminate them (like bashing them in the street or humiliate them) because they are lgbt. Yes, leaving them live their lives like they want is something they need to accept, obviously.

[@marija8344]

okay ‣ oh,I liked your opinion thank you

[@amandayanez7683]

As someone who wants to study humans as a job and I like these kinds of questions I can see the Korean peoples view point. Like they said at the end of the video "we grew up in a homophobic society for 20 years. " it's not like you can say "hey stop being homophobic Korea! " that's not gonna happen. It took years for America to accept Homosexuals and at the same time their is still homophobia in our country. You can see the younger generation of Korea realizing that homosexuality is not bad or wrong but a way of life for them. I've seen many videos of Korean people being asked questions on homosexuality and you can tell some are comfortable and some aren't. There's nothing wrong with that that's just how you were raised and you can't go to the past and change that. I say all this as a bisexual women as well; so I may not believe in their views but I can understand where there point of view is coming from. P.S thank you for your interview/hot topic videos as well as your reaction ones!!

[@multijxde1855]

Thank you , exactly . ❤️

[@multijxde1855]

I’m still in love with holland though . I support the communities for sure also me being pan. ❤️ sorry for my English .

[@bratzlover501]

What job is that

[@amandayanez7683]

Zonin archeology or anthropology

[@bratzlover501]

Amanda Yanez I’m also thinking of studying anthropology at university focusing on evolution but like... it seems kinda pointless cause the jobs heard i can get from that don’t sound that good (working in a charity or museum) so I’m wondering what kind of job you are looking to do

[@DiamondsAesthetic]

LMAOOOO the guy at 5:02 said what needed to be said edit: the biology part didnt make sense at all

[@ughmina]

Diamonds Aesthetic Exactly lmao i was like what??

[@mywigflew6465]

Diamonds Aesthetic yes

[@cinnamountain]

Agree, that was nonsense.

[@h_r_99]

Think he's just talking about gut repulsion to something unappealing. Disgust triggering stimuli can be both innate and learned but his point is to accept and not judge it I guess

[@SamI-oo4de]

It makes sense. If you are straight, you will feel a preference for straight romance over gay romance. Just like gay people will not be stimulated by straight displays of affection the same way they will for gay romance. It's alright not to be attracted to gays, just like some people don't like certain foods naturally. Obviously those foods are fine, and naturally occurring. Just like gays are naturally occurring, the difficulty is in being a minority that not everyone can relate to.

[@shisteryeontan6]

I don't care if you don't support LGBT, as long as you don't insult the community, it's all good.

[@Imnotallergictopeanuts]

I Park Jimine agreed

[@shisteryeontan6]

BTS!방탄소년단! SB True. There's a difference between a insult and an opinion. Some people can't see the line.

[@pennylander9266]

I do not really support it, however, over half of my friends are a part of the lgbtqaap community and I love them no matter what. I learned what all of the letters mean and I have a friend who was scared to tell me because he thought I wasn't going to like him anymore. But, that is just ridiculous! I have a friend who is bi and I held her in my arms and pet her hair until she fell asleep. I also have a pan friend who talks to me about relationship problems and I let her hold my hand when she wants to as well as cuddle her! I don't really care all that much and I am not going to hate anyone because of who they love! I just happen to be a Christian, but god says to love everyone except for Satan! Sincerely-- person you will never meet Anyway I hope you all have a fantastic day full of love and hugs ( we all need them! ) 😘💞

[@remremkyuun]

Futanari 'Jeff' Leonis literally nobody is calling anybody a homophobe for you not personally dating the same gender as your own, and trans people aren't gonna call your transphobic for not wanting to date them. what are you going off about

[@utena2]

Dis.courseBot Nah I've seen plenty of people say it's transphobic to exclude trans people from your dating pool

[@prachisuryawanshi6301]

idc what other thinks but i m proud of Holland ❤❤

[@melo-bri]

Me too

[@moonlighttae5537]

Yes

[@midzymess1222]

Prachi Shawol&Army Thank you I'm From Holland and I'm VERY VERY disappointed in Korea now WE KNOW THEM AND LOVE THEIR MUSIC WHY DON'T THEY KNOW ABOUT US????

[@prachisuryawanshi6301]

Charlotte Stoffels ?! I think you misunderstood. Holland is kpop first openly gay Artist. I m talking about him not about your country.😊

[@Majeed.]

Charlotte Stoffels Hähhhhhhhhhhhh

[@agirllovetolive4196]

If my idols gay I would support

[@ylangylang1088]

I stan you

[@38.suchisinhamal75]

Same

[@kingjaehaerystargaryen]

Probably many of them are, but they don't say it.

[@annmaria9695]

Same

[@Sue_96]

@@kingjaehaerystargaryen even if they say (like sehun from exo and wonho from monsta x ) the fans get it as a joke or just ignore the fact. I hate that people love fanservice but when it comes to reality they hate their idols for it. Most countries dont accept LGBTq so many gay bi pan or whatever.. people cant say that who they really are.

[@Nicole-hc7rh]

I hope Koreans eventually come around.

[@dasom5395]

N Rozay Some support, some don't. This is the same case in every country.

[@merrittpalmer4349]

nah fuck off

[@Nicole-hc7rh]

East Korea hahahahaha 👌

[@merrittpalmer4349]

i was telling you to fuck off

[@Nicole-hc7rh]

East Korea yeah I saw that 🤓

[@nicolelayno4664]

"Being gay isn't the deciding fsctor" MAN I LOVE THIS GUY ALREADY

[@Prinren]

I thought those two guys were very smart, understanding and open minded to it. I wouldn't hate on you guys for feeling uncomfortable with it. Honestly, if I were to watch an MV and two people regardless of sexual identity or whatever were making out, I would be a a little shocked perhaps or like "Oh you don't see that often" (talking about asian MV's, to clarify) Plus, seeing as that kind of concept is indeed not that common in Korea, it is no surprise you guys were startled. Like seeing two guys making out while you yourself is a guy in a very conservative and less tolerant place, it makes you feel a bit weird cause it is very intimate and you are so close to it. You don't go and stare at anyone who is kissing with their significant other, especially that close. Fan service is indeed quite fun sometimes ehehehe woops (otaku alert I am so sorry) That girl was right about the not dating anyone else thing. I'll be making a video about shipping tomorrow or something so I'll go more in depth. But basically If you see your two best mates being all close and sweet to each other all the time, you'd be like "awe you guys are so nice to each other" right? If they sit on each others laps you'd probably be like "what?" but also "Awe lol you don't care what people think, you guys are seriously brothers from different mothers, almost joined at the hip" You feel familiar with that feeling of love. So when you see them get even more intimate it makes you feel the same way you feel when you are watching a romance movie or reading a romance novel. You get so into their bond you start feeling butterflies FOR them. So if idols who like sing about this hot girl and are super good looking and cool and stuff, suddenly start being all cute towards each other, at first you think it is cute and your initial reaction will be pointing out how much they love each other platonically, but when it goes past that and becomes romantic, it incites the same feelings you get when you see any cute couple irl or in a story. But the thing is that they don't always act that way so the rare occasions they do it triggers these emotions and you become an emotional wreck. While at the same time it makes you feel secure cause you don't have to feel jealous cause that guy is into this other girl. Most don't really care about that though, it is purely the excitement from seeing two people being so intimate with each other. Holland is a cute name cause I am from Holland lol. But he is taking a Troye Sivan move here. It is different but someone gotta wake the people up, if one person can do it others can too so I hope it encourages more people to be open minded about it and people to not be afraid to come out. Still a long way to go, but again. SOMEONE GOTTA DO IT.

[@whyusad2386]

you honestly said it all! I hope Holland gets more support!

[@easterpala7816]

Damn I read all of it

[@Prinren]

Easter Pala you didn't have to😧😬

[@MrPorcShop1]

nice 200 word essay

[@bunnydragon4646]

If you think that is 200 then you have underestimated it cause it is at least 500.

[@jamais_vu3]

That guy in turtleneck had very mature answers:)

[@sonalis8627]

I understand about Korean mindset about the concept of LGBT cuz it's the same out here in India.. in the name of culture we avoid such sensitive topic however there are people here supporting the same. I believe that depicting the affection in an MV shouldn't​ be taken any different it's art and love in the end, and I totally liked the music by Holland, he's a rising idol for sure! ☮

[@llllll1897]

Sonali S I'm from India as well. And growing up in that environment was so difficult for me (being LGBT as well) that I had to find a way to leave.

[@sonalis8627]

randomisawesome i understand why you came to that decision.. it's hard for us to fight and win living just the way we are when the world around us shut all the doors and deny. I'm a strong LGBT supporter and completely believe that love doesn't have any bounds 😊

[@katl.7586]

It's ironic because India has a rich history of portraying same-gender love and gender fluidity in traditional texts (gods and goddesses regularly changing gender, for example). Strict homophobia was brought in by British colonialism. I guess it's just existed long enough for people to assume it's always been there. The same thing has happened to many countries, unfortunately.

[@sugandhsood1682]

Surely, India as a whole is quite conservative but I think we do talk about it much more than Korea? Also, this might vary region to region versus the sociology-economic backgrounds etc but from what I can testify, I live in delhi, and in my school, no one even blinks an eye if someone comes out? Like, it genuinely, is not a big deal.

[@muktanarkar9446]

Sugandh Sood I think it's the same in Korea too. If you ask random people about LGBT in India, most of them will avoid the topic or spout shit like it's a disease or it's not natural

[@aiberlane3390]

At least everyone was polite. If they tried this in America, I think a lot of people (mostly guys) would be really nasty and judgemental, for fear of being perceived as gay themselves.

[@queenempress82]

Some people are just disgusted by it..

[@hansroberts2574]

True true...not calling names tho...

[@prestonheldibridle2043]

As someone who is queer, I'm really glad you made the effort to reflect on yourselves when you received criticism. A lot of people think homophobia is hating gay people, but that's not all there is to it. A homophobic action is any action that reflects an attitude that, when shared in society, hurts us. So, while you two being uncomfortable may not have in itself caused that much harm, because that discomfort due to lack of exposure is so widespread it has created a culture where people are uncomfortable with us for who we are and who we love, and that collective attitude that straight people usually don't notice they are contributing to is one of the root causes of the isolation and violence we face when we are visible. I didn't see the video or the comments under it for myself, but I can guess that you two probably got some aggressive and maybe downright nasty comments. Please understand that this is something we face constantly, day in and day out, from our family, friends, coworkers, legislators, people we pass on the street, and so on. It's exhausting and gutwrenching to deal with and of course we try to either ignore it or stand up for ourselves. But these things weigh us down after so many times, an many of us have faced real trauma resulting from homophobia, so sometimes our gut reaction when someone says something, even accidentally, that hurts us, we lash out full force. We are so used to having to fight tooth and nail just to be heard that we can bombard unsuspecting people at times. Especially when the only times some of us are physically safe is behind a keyboard. I hope that makes sense and gives you a bit of understanding why there was such strong backlash and to not take it personally, but to definitely take this chance to reflect and learn, and I'm happy to see you've already started doing that. There have recently been more interviews with holland and he has been through so much violence and humiliation, and this video and song was basically his way of saying "if you're like me, there's nothing wrong with you, I promise. You can have a happy future too. And dear straight people, I'm gay, this is me being gay, fuck you" and I LOVE IT. Because when we're surrounded by straight people we don't really get to express ourselves fully bc others are uncomfortable with it. But discomfort due to something different isn't a bad thing, it's an opportunity to grow, and holland showed he was done not expressing himself for fear of the reactions of heterosexuals. And that is something so, so important and empowering to queer people living in places and situations where they have always had to censor themselves of hide parts of themselves. I'm so, so proud of him. And I'm glad his video is bringing about conversations and realizations such as yours

[@AlvaNilsson]

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. At least one person gets it.

[@moonmelodies8974]

Please know that there are millions of heterosexuals who will support you, me included :) I love this comment and honestly I understand the struggle so much better.

[@maevak832]

Love these comment. I czn not spezk from experience but I fully understand where your comming from and we shouldn't judge peope based on their sexuallity, or anything really. And Holland he is so brave to take the first step and opening a conversation in Korea and in kpop about this so called contrdversal topic

[@winiwoohoo6090]

Hella yeah! What Preston said ⬆️🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈

[@hannahgould821]

beautifully said!

[@Lemoon27]

I mean... even seeing a hetero couple kiss like this on a bed... passed the 3 seconds of surprise, I'd be a bit embarrassed too -.-' Even if it looks cute, the scene and positions make it seem more intimate and make the viewer feel like they are intruding... Or at least that's how I felt

[@EmilyRabjerg]

Woah same I feel really uncomfortable or uneasy after it being too much of kissing scene. So I just skip it. I'm queer, and to me it doesn't matter if it's a heterosexual or homosexual kiss scene, just any kind of kiss scene. I feel like third-wheelin and yes like an intruder to their moment. I'm okay with kissing scene being intimate but short. It just too much if it's a long scene.

[@yoongles5886]

@@EmilyRabjerg same with me.. i feel you on a diff level

[@deathcult_19]

I really appreciate that you guys did this. Minds and beliefs aren't changed overnight, and the society in which someone's grown up hugely impacts how they see the world (that includes ALL of us). Life is about constantly reexamining the problematic beliefs and working towards becoming a better person. I know five years ago, I would've reacted just as strongly and negatively to this MV (and now I'm openly gay!). I thought of the quote: "The first thought that goes through your mind is what you have been conditioned to think. What you think next defines who you are." I think by choosing next to make this video, you've easily demonstrated your compassion and open-mindedness. From my experience many Koreans, especially young people, have that same attitude too. I wish Holland all the success in the world. Thank you for talking about this issue on your channel!

[@redrooster3420]

This is such an awesome comment and I'm so glad I read this! Btw congrats on coming out :)

[@pambarab5506]

Best comment on here, and so true. The first thing you have to do is to get people to think, and then they start questioning.

[@lenacarey2333]

This is my favorite comment. You pretty much summarized all of what I was thinking, and the same thing happened to me! 5 years ago I was actively homophobic, but I've accepted myself and now I'm out of the closet as a lesbian. Life really is about constantly reevaluating what you think. Sometimes you learn things about yourself that you didn't know before :)

[@woojaethusiast1960]

When he talked about the fanfics I almost choked on my coffee skdnskdndjd

[@softiegyu9403]

we have been found...

[@musicmakesone4846]

What I really want to know is: did you guys give any of these people a coffee coupon? 😆😆😆 But seriously, your efforts in the cold really paid off. It's a great video. You guys reflected on your thoughts and whether it changes your opinions or not. You were open minded enough to listen to other people's, point of view. That alone makes a big difference in a society like yours. Introducing other people to this important issue makes it even better. I feel very proud to call myself a fan of you two. You guys are doing a great job! Good luck with the rest😊

[@DKDKTV]

We gave nearly everyone a coupon! Except for that open minded guy from AUS who was happy and willing to give his opinion

[@ampijamenim2419]

Music Makes One Hiii...your comments is really very good....Yes lol you are deserved to be Danny and David's biggest fan...😘

[@senpaijecho]

4:43 the truth has been spoken. btw, the girl with the black cap, i immediatelly knew she wouldn't be a supporter because of how uncomfortable she looked.

[@devynst1162]

Senpai Jecho ya, although with the initial reactions of some of the others I was surprised at how woke they were

[@AlfonsoEspina]

The sad fact that if this were a boy and girl kissing, then it wouldn’t be called “erotic” and hands wouldn’t be covering eyes. As a gay k-pop fan, it’s such a huge deal for me to see Holland’s music video (though I’m not a fan of the song) amidst a heteronormative industry. I have so much admiration for his courage.

[@kyliecheng]

Alfonso Espina they were covering their eyes because they didn't want their faces to be shown :)

[@olk2692]

Also have you ever watched old korean dramas(10-8 years old). In old romantic! dramas there was one or two kisses (sometimes even none). And of course it was pretty always peck kiss, deep kiss was really really unusual thing.It now slowly changes but still peck kiss is very popular in dramas (especially in youth dramas). Of course in real live you can see more couple kissing each other in public but still not so often. It's just asian thing. In Japan kissing in public is still something inappropiate. Chinese are more open, maybe because of cultural revolution. And of course I'm talking about heterosexual couples.

[@franknstein5376]

I actually saw a video on idols' reactions to drama kisses (which basically are all straight) and they did the same. In general I the general attitude of Koreans towards intimacy is ankwardness

[@BluePeach0214]

Pause at 0:47 it says that they don't want their faces to be seen, that's why they're covering their face. It is also in front of them so that they can still watch the video.

[@NabilaUtami-f7k]

straight or gay.. if it's not a peck kiss, it means it's erotic.

[@lmf221]

I have typed this comment 3 or 4 times and I can't seem to get it right in terms of how it comes across, this is my last shot so bear with me and hopefully I can accurately portray my point. There was a news article about a man who called in to a news show to admit that he was racist and ask how he could change that about himself and it made a lot of news and I think we should all strive to be like that guy in our own little way. Now, I don't think you guys are homophobes AT ALL based on what limited footage I have seen of you both. However, I do think that sometimes we have to realize that some of us (myself included) were taught certain prejudices that subconsciously effect us even if our conscious brain doesn't realize or want them. It is the shift of realization that allows for growth. None of us is perfect, but having the emotional intelligence to realize why you are feeling a certain way is a HUGE step to wisdom and kindness and to me it seems like you guys are on that path so I applaud you. I also appreciate that you took the time to ask these questions and I was actually pleasantly surprised for how taboo homosexuality is stated to be in Korea how all of the people you asked seemed to be at least open minded and not hateful like you see out of many conservative Americans. It was hesitant but I got a lot of hope out of it for LGBT people and I was reminded of how much the US has changed in just the last 5, 10 and 15 years. I think this was a meaningful interview and I'm sorry if you received unjustly harsh criticism when you were just trying to make an honest reaction. You seem like good guys with good hearts. None of us is perfect and we are all somewhat a product of our environments.

[@lmf221]

@Catherine Ives illegal in korea for civilians? I had not heard that. Do you have a source?

[@libanesamaria6675]

The world has to be ready. The world is always changing. We need to accep those changes. Is the only way to survive and be happy. Btw: people don't always accept others opinions. Do not feel bad for the big, bad responses. This topic still split up on our society. Your country is not that bad towards the topic.

[@libanesamaria6675]

Terry Mcginnis if you kill someone, that does not mean that my kids are going to do it. It's the same with everything you find on the internet.

[@KailasProject]

"...so to them, it's better to do it with each other..." "Solve the issue internally?" I'M GAGGINg LMAO

[@mansikarkare6030]

I think you are brave enough to do this...in India too people consider this a taboo..but societies will develop...good luck to you and your channel

[@---jt5wg]

I actually found these reactions quite on par for what someone would likely get walking down the street in the United States too. Even though South Korea is supposedly "behind" the US in terms of LGBTQ acceptance, I can't proudly say that the US is strides ahead and is a totally awesome and accepting either. Its rather embarrassing that I don't perceive my own country to be as equality driven as other countries seem to believe it is. . .

[@yeriscarat9241]

honestly the US is very homophobic too tbh

[@anapascual6455]

I feel like this is a good time for you guys to also venture into more openly gay artist. I would love if you guys reacted to Troye Sivan. Maybe react to his Blue Neighborhood Trilogy, it consists of 3 music videos to his songs that tell a story.

[@AlfonsoEspina]

Ana Pascual I wonder if Troye Sivan is famous in Korea.

[@Takerz13]

so have heteros lmao

[@justgigi9545]

There is a difference between showing a raw reaction and saying "woah, wasn't ready for that, that made me uncomfortable." And being homophobic. So many people want to jump on the "your a hater" train if you don't scream "OH MY GAWD I LOVE YOU OPPA" to the new fad. And before you all jump down my throat, NO I'm not calling Holland a fad, I'm saying that he potentially is not getting true fans and views because he is doing something out of the norm, and when you see all the little girl comments like the one stated above, once the dust settles, then we will see who is really there for him, and who isn't. At the end of the day, overseas fans isn't what is going to get Holland paid, it's Korean money and fans, and if he can't pull that, he is going to be in trouble here soon. Back to the homophobic issue. Yes, Korea has a long way to come from people sneaking away to Homo Hill... If you don't know where that is, you not down with the KLGTBQ community. I was at the first Korean pride when the people were throwing themselves on the ground in protest. It has gotten better, and I hope to see more social awareness spread... But this is a BIG milestone for the community. For idols anyway. There are plenty of Korean KZbin influencers that are openly gay... Don't know what rock everyone is living under..... Anyway, I'm gonna stop. This rant has me all over the board 😂😂😂😂 #noh82018

[@travisvalkrum8870]

Carolyn Sloan Are you saying he's homophobic because he said, "woah, wasn't ready for that, that made me uncomfortable"? I'm sorry I don't entirely understand.

[@justgigi9545]

Travis Valkrum NO! That's not what I said at all. I said there is a difference between showing a raw REACTION, and actually being homophobic. I was defending the two people on this channel actually. But thanks for asking and letting me clear that up for you.

[@travisvalkrum8870]

Carolyn Sloan Oh, ok. Thank you for clarifying.

[@GloomyMarshmallow]

I totally agree with you. Just because they are saying it's unconfortable does not make them homophobic. It's just not in their nature to see that. For example I am uncomfortable when someone gets to close to me. Does that mean I hate giving hugs or people in general? No. I do hate some people but not because I am uncomfortable of them being too close to me😂

[@okay7976]

Carolyn Sloan girl, you read my mind! completely agree with you, that's exactly what I think!

[@alisha5203]

I think viewers reacted negatively to your previous video because they didn't take into account your cultural environment and it's mindset either. Even in Australia where it's discussed and supported by many there are still negative reactions to it. It's good that you guys took your feedback on the chin and learnt from it. Love you guys. 😄

[@yessicarodriguez6266]

I feel like most of the girls were dying from the beauty inside I mean you can tell some of them were red or like somewhat happy 😂😂❤️❤️ (I support LGBT❤️)

[@groofication3273]

First I would like to say thank you For going out there and helping us curious international viewers and fans understand how it made others in South Korea feel about Holland . I felt the response were honest and straightfoward ,in the snow and cold because this weather Is brutal.you guys are the best ,stay healthy and keep up the great work. 💗👍

[@ngandang96]

I am glad you guys are opening up and comfortable to the scene of LGBT being exressed. I am Vietnamese and be4 going abroad I never thought I would feel normal abt gay ppl kissing passionately on screen lol. Vietnamese also I think we have some internal homophobia I never thought our country would welcome gays. But gradually there are more gay youtubers in our country being liked and recently a transgender in our country won the biggest global transgender pageant and suddenly ppl who hated her is admiring her and more liking LGBT ppl. I believe my country becomes more accepting now and suddenly am very proud as still a developing country. I also believe giving LGBT more welcome and rights is also progress of modern civilization, cuz I realize they feel so much pain as humans. I heard somewhere wht brings ppl together is not just respect as sometimes we have to force ourselves try to accept, but more abt relatability, if we can relate to whtever they maybe similar to us then we feel very normal. They love whoever they love just like how we love

[@youstarsmoon]

thank you for taking the time to create these videos, they're really insightful to korean society/culture for those who live abroad. I love your street interviews so much! you can really see the amount of effort you guys put into them, especially with having to stay out in the code for so long. make sure to stay warm & healthy!

[@SeaSideHappy]

I'm proud of Holland for being who he is❤❤❤

[@miriamh5771]

These people are WOKE👌🏽

[@psp3545]

Righttt

[@elfiex.x]

..."Being gay isn't the deciding factor" YOU SIR, is absolutely correct.

[@lizh1974]

Everyone is different and we need to accept that. No one is perfect not even Kpop idols and other celebrities.

[@taegunseol6630]

"why do people react differently to 'fan service' and actual lgbt?" that was a great question

[@karishmavashishtha9891]

I guess it is our lack of understanding about "sexuality" itself that makes people embarrassed when the come across it on social media or in person. Therefore, discussion should start from the deap analysis of sexuality and love and then it would naturally move on to LGBT. People generally consider attraction between the opposite sexes as love . We need to go a bit more deep into the topic from a spiritual point of view. Probably then, a few decades later..This special case would hopefully become general . 😊

[@downundabrotha]

tbh I respect your views on the initial reaction... however if it was 2 girls kissing then most guys would like it. Bit of a double standard in today's world

[@Stephanie-rm8xf]

You guys sound like pro reporters at the beginning 👌😁

[@frognr2]

this was amazing of you, thank you. we need more people who go so open and mature through life. Applause

[@misslittlejessie5]

thank you for this video!! its super important to recognize our internalized prejudices (it can be hard to let go of something you've learned since childhood but i believe everyone can do it) and you guys accepted the criticism and thought about it instead of dismissing people's feelings, that shows you're willing to put effort in having honest conversations and learn from other people. thank you for listening and showing us an insight on what young people might think about LGBT people, that was very interesting and i honestly thought it would be worse but there were some good comments.

[@soni1139]

I’m a bit surprised you were met with so much controversy and negativity, but I guess I was one of the few who understood where you were coming from. This was a great video, and the work you put into it is appreciated. You taking the time to understand all this, and even learn a bit more speaks a lot. Thank you

[@kelseymyers2855]

This was a very nice video. 👌🏻

[@Somii24_]

I'm glad that people are accepting and open up to LGBTQ+ society. I hope one day it'll completely change and everyone would consider them and their relationship as ordinary, not something Stange And abnormal.💫

[@lauramartinez9319]

Thank you so much for this, it's very important that you did this, so thank you

[@zero6277]

Good video guys. Thanks. Also thanks for your honesty at the end.

[@starrynightmp3]

thank you so much for this!! it’s an amazing thing to see them react to an lgbtq+ idol, hopefully this topic will become more talked in Korea as something that’s not harmful because love is love and it shouldn’t be something hidden, but I know it will take a while seeing how it’s still pretty sensitive there.

[@LemonBoy308]

Let LGBT artist received the same respect and love please!!! Let them expressed themselves

[@maru-mb1nn]

Hi guys! Great video ❤💛💚💙💜

[@hypothesised4453]

coming back here because i stumbled upon this and i realised this is the first dkdktv video i ever watched! it was way before i really got into kpop; back then i really only knew holland because of the coverage and hype he was getting in the west. this is really crazy to me, finding my first ever dkdktv video! and i already liked your content before i really got into kpop. super informative stuff. thank you for doing what you do!

[@erizenheart9038]

If my idols are gay I would totally accept and support them all the way . I stan them because of talents and not about their gender .. so yeah I'm going to support them .

[@stardoll1995]

Thank you for this video... this was actually amazing and I'm glad you went and decided to search out what others thought of Holland and reflected on what people had commented on the previous video. 😊

[@jjjjjj09]

It's really great to see that you are somehow realizing that you become a little bit homophobic and try to be open more to it. Most people don't. I think you guys are kind of cool!

[@chunkypigeondotcom]

This video was so good!! Thank you for making it

[@maiamay9644]

The girls covering their faces were just hilarious

[@MrsMin-mk2eu]

guys, I'm proud of you talk about things we like or don't it's important but respect both things is the focus

[@calipop_9253]

Your reaction was not offensive to me. I have a gay brother and live in California. You were just being honest. Please don’t let others make you think you’re homophobic. An honest reaction doesn’t determine your mindset regarding a certain subject. Keep up the good work!

[@daungocanh]

Honesty does not cancel homophobia, it's not one or the other. At least they admitted themselves of being internalized homophobic despite them not realizing it at first, and that was what prompted them to make this video.

[@Kat-cc9lh]

Deena Dau it's not homophobic to not like seeing two men kissing. It's not like it was a harmless little kiss, it was two men making out. I don't like seeing people make out at all, what does that make me? They weren't being rude or hating on Holland because he was gay, they were just uncomfortable seeing him make out with another person.

[@daungocanh]

They literally said it was uncomfortable for them, heterosexuals, to see 2 gay men kissing. It was not because they were adverse to watching people kissing in general. Please watch the video.

[@unnielalisa5457]

It’s not offensive to you because you’re straight and having a gay brother doesn’t make you less straight. I’m bi and it is homophobic to say that you’re uncomfortable watching 2 guys kiss, but if it’s a girl and a boy, it’s «normal». And just because someone is honest doesn’t make them less homophobic. This video was great though and I hope Koreans will get more used to normalizing the LGBTQ+ community.

[@266Swan]

The topic was brought with amazing professionalism and sensibility towards the interviewed. I am currently studying to become a journalist and this interview is the perfect ethical example of how to do it. Respectful, unbiased and interesting in every way. Way to go guys, you’re great.

[@alexstone3156]

Its kind of same in most of the countries. To you guys, I like your channel because you guys are very honest with whatever topic. So, please continue doing honest reaction video, there are many youtubers that does that - but most of them are simply flattering targeted audience. That is the one reason I never liked reaction videos. Like I have the right to support LGBT community, you too have the right to do whatever you want. That is also a person choice. I hope people accepts that fact. You cannot forcefully make people support the idea - that they are not comfortable with.

[@johnnybrown9120]

i won't support gay men

[@pareicomisso11]

Mine was one of the offended comments and I think it’s good that you are apologizing and thinking about the topic in a different light.

[@kimberlymundo9868]

Awe , I love this video . It’s so cute how so many people weren’t against it ? I hope homophobia in Korea lessens ? I hope you all become more accepting not just in Korea but globally become more supportive of our community! This video was very heartwarming!! 💞

[@Becca410]

I appreciate your reflection at the end so much. I love seeing people take the criticism they receive and learn and grow from it. I was initially a little saddened at your comments in the reaction video, but seeing your reflection at the end makes me continue to be a proud supporter of you two and your channel.

[@tk5974]

I'm an Arabic, I know Holland and I support him, "Korea" don't know him! 😥

[@Bia-ho4uh]

im surprised to see arabs who support the LGBT community because most of them are homophobic

[@stefanycarrasco6245]

I discovered Holland through Instagram advertisement hahahah! Best thing ever!!

[@orsonsadler]

it’s your guys’ choice, of course, but i don’t understand why you took the holland mv reaction video down and i didnt understand all the comments that you were homophobic. you had a genuine reaction to what you saw. you didnt say anything hateful about him. i think some people feel they need to be offended about the smallest things on behalf of others in order to support them. in reality i think a lot of gay guys wouldnt have been offended and probably would have appreciated the video. holland himself prob wouldve been more cut by danny’s comment about the production quality cos u know artists are sensitive about their shit 😂

[@aditya3465]

orsonsadler that comment was Homophobic...it was... But that does not mean people should have hated Danny... I mean it's not his fault in the first place... This is how most of the people think and that's because they are unaware of the issues like this. And if people want to see a reaction, they should be able to accept and understand the genuine reaction.

[@nicolelee1599]

orsonsadler ..... They took it down?!?!? 🤯

[@orsonsadler]

adi tya i disagree, i dont think it was homophobic. he said he was uncomfortable seeing it. there was nothing harmful in his reaction. i appreciate your comment and opinion tho 👍🏽

[@aweyGVX]

yep true i didnt think ii was homophobic tho. it's his opinion and i dont see something homophobic from his opinion.

[@matt_villanueva]

It’s mostly the way he tone it and said it made it sound homophobic, and plus most of “us”, the viewers are more from a society that’s heavily accepting of LGBT, and we take offense to it whether it could be the slightest misplacement of tone or word usage. It’s like having saying something bad accidentally of BTS by the slightest bit, and the the Army is out to get you. Same concept as LGBT supporters and community

[@ComicBrooks]

Thank you guys. I think you were very open and Understanding about the difference between actual homophobia, and reactions to homosexual content that was ingrained from an older generation. I'm a 35 year old gay man who lives in Baltimore City (USA) and in the last decade there has been more social acceptance of LGBTQ media here in the United States because it's now more Visible in today’s TV, motion picture, music industry, and digital content platforms like KZbin. Before that even other Gay Men and Women were shocked by LGBTQ content because it was new and taboo. The more videos we do like this gives the public more social awareness and information about the gay community, so we have real gay role models instead of caricatures that were created by stereotypes and stigmas. I think you guys handled this issue very responsibly; and as a gay man I am not offended at your initial shock.... I understand it because it’s a taboo in Korea the way it once was in the USA... and I think now the whole world is trying to just be a little more progressive and I think that’s good for us all. Thank you.

[@Arinaretina]

I read fanfics but I’m LGBTQ myself what does that make me 💀

[@christietale1002]

I really just wish for you that the ffs you read have good grammar, jus that.

[@jediwill1974]

I fully support your initial reaction to the Holland video because it's YOUR reaction and in a free society you're allowed to feel uncomfortable with whatever you choose the people giving you grief think that because they think it's cool or okay that EVERYONE should feel tjat way or be shutdown or ridiculed those people are the true definition of intolerance. We ALL prejudices, no one is immune to that because it's human. You're not homophobes because you are uncomfortable seeing to men kiss you are human never apologize for being human!

[@looyee27]

I thought you guys handled the Holland video well. Yeah its probably just internalised homophobia, where you guys are just not used to it within the environment there. I probably will have a similar reaction too, it all depends on the individual. I don't have many complaints about the Holland music video, its just that the song wasn't very good i felt. I feel like they probably could've eased you into the LGBT stuff, especially for Korea, or maybe have it established that the artist is gay, but without having to highlight that much within the video. There's a certain subtlety you have to use in terms of these kinds of videos which highlight issues, and i think Holland's music video jumped into in way too quickly especially for its audience in Korea.

[@TheBlueClover2012]

LooYee you have a point but i think the mv was made the way it was bcoz both his artist name Holland n the song Neverland has a lot to do with lgbtq stuff n maybe homophobia in general. So putting a kiss in there seems appropriate bcoz it matches the theme/content.

[@Fer-mt6yd]

I had zero problems seeing two guys kissing in a music video or movie since it the same as seeing any other kissing-intimate act onscreen between two people the only difference is that the mass population is used to heterosexual pairings. I regard it as the same concept and yes, I do fangirl more over the homosexual pairings on tv/movies/web series/music videos since there are really a few well written/portrayal of a homosexual pairing.

[@7cupoftea]

the song is good but his voice ruined it for me, not sure if ppl support him for his talent or his sexuality.

[@miracleboi7336]

the first time i saw or heard holland i honestly think that his voice is off but considering that he's entering the idol industry all by himself with no agency whatsoever is really hard...i mean, he just debuted with no one to professionally guide him or teach him some stuff about singing or performance like BTS, EXO or other kpop idols under agencies and yet he's brave, he knows korea and the hardships that comes plus he's positively persistent in pursuing this career which is his dream ever since he was young and that made me support him....i think he'll improve a lot as time passes and i want to see that progress wholeheartedly.

[@vipasha3414]

LooYee it was just a kiss. A kiss between people in love. The way you're talking about "subtlety" feels wrong on so many levels because kissing is not coming on too strong. The way you put it, you made kissing sound like nsfw. People aren't stupid, they know about the LGBT community. You can't go in slower than a mere kiss.

[@KaminoTenshiGel]

thanks for making this video, I know how hard it is to find people tgat even comment on tge topic

[@erinchohope]

Of coarse i can💕💕 i luv HOLLAND im used to this i dont feel uncomfortable at all

[@mrsstyles1324]

Let's promote Holland! Let's give a big thumbs up and share love to his music. Love is love 😍

[@postmarionette9715]

😨❤it's amazing to see people in Korea slowly opening up to the whole LGBT idea. I think Holland is amazing and his career will rise 😁❤❤ Blossom! 🌹

[@agoddess2457]

I’m often surprised and humbling,ed by how insightful your interviewees are (or is it spin created by the way their words are translated?) anyway, I love these interviews. Thanks. And my best wishes for Holland who has taken on a massive challenge. I hope he will never be alone.

[@faze10101]

I really respect you guys for urs genuine reactions. It's sad that you have to take the video down, you guys don't deserve those backlash. Please don't ever change the way you react to music vid, because it feel very real and it help everyone understand Korean society better.

[@orbit4ever]

This was very interesting to see the viewpoints of native Koreans on such a topic. I'm glad it seems more of the younger generation is becoming more open minded to such stuff. Hopefully one day this won't even be an 'issue' or a 'topic' to discuss. Also, I'm glad you both were able to learn from this process as well, and your apology for your previous video was very mature of you guys. I look forward to more videos from you both.

[@xthatwhiteguyx]

I was not offended by you feeling uncomfortable watching 2 men kiss... Asians, in general, get uncomfortable when anyone shows public displays of affection, let alone a somewhat taboo one. I get uncomfortable seeing 2 men kiss, or 2 women kiss, or a man and a woman kiss...

[@laramiaizz]

xthatwhiteguyx or a man/woman kissing him/herself..

[@xthatwhiteguyx]

or a man/woman tongue kissing a dog.

[@KB42moomoo]

I'm really glad and grateful you did this and spoke so honestly about it. Being open to learning and growing is the most important part about becoming better people, imo, and it must be hard to confront your internalised issues in front of a lot of viewers! Most people get to make mistakes and improve themselves in the privacy of their own homes! I love Holland's song and his voice is so interesting, I can't wait to see what he does next. As a queer kpop fan it is so important and meaningful to me, and he is both brave and talented! Love you guys, and thanks for this video!

[@Allie83829]

The girl at 5:00 is beautiful as hell

[@heonieluvr6781]

Wow! Thanks for handling this in such a sensitive and mature manner. Your honesty is so much appreciated. I'm not sure, based on my limited knowledge (Korean friends I know, etc) that Korea is really ready for Holland, but he's here and I hope that, as you said, people can at least start having a dialogue about LGBT. I also hope that people from outside Korea can exercise some understanding as well. Change takes time. :)

[@patata871]

4:03 Why did you have to call me out like that?.... hehhehe

[@gr3yfaerie]

I know right? Like BITCH SO WHAT I HAVE F E E L I N G S

[@ninaxu7724]

This is great, thank you for making this vid. This is forward looking and it made my day

[@h_r_99]

You guys aren't at fault for feeling uncomfortable, people just get very easily offended nowadays. I guess vocalising it in a more 'respectful' manner would've been appreciated.

[@kokuyosekihaiwado8561]

i dont know what they said in the other video but in this one they said they were uncomfotrable with gay men kissing idk how that translates to hating them because they were gay

[@kokuyosekihaiwado8561]

zaria henry maybe because that isnt something you wouldnt really see normally and hence they would feel uncomfortable with it because it is new to that person how come you cant understand that?

[@megan7896]

zaria henry it's because it isn't something Korea has been exposed to until quite recently. Of course it would make some people uncomfortable as it isn't very common in Korea

[@megan7896]

zaria henry jeezs, do you know how it would be like if you were someone living in that cultural environment? Of course it’s freaking uncomfortable, imagine being sheltered in a place where they they didn’t except the LGBT community up until very recently. Of course it’s going to be a slow process, but you can see people are starting to be more open towards it now. You can’t just think the whole Korean population is just gonna except it in a flash, yes it is not right for them to be what you say “homophobic” but at least be patient and respectful

[@aureliesene4487]

zaria henry boo who hurt you,you are the type of westerners who think they are better than others countries because they are "woke", when there is still a lot of racism and homophobia in the west too, fixe your problems first before putting your nose on other people businesses, as a conservative society Korea is slowly changing in all regards and you have to acknowledge that and take into account the cultural differences

[@tristramshandy4063]

I appreciate the self-reflection displayed here. I didn't see the Holland MV reaction before it was taken down but I wouldn't have attacked you for your reaction.

[@PhineaBlue]

I don’t really see anything harmful if minors would see such mv’s. Even if they would start kissing the same gender - so what? It doesn’t mean that the whole worlds turns gay because of that (not that being gay is a problem, just saying :). People find their own preferences regardless of lgbt content in the media or not.

[@vinayverma1906]

I would never hate on my idol for being LGBTQ+ I'll still support them!