Can London actually attract an NFL expansion team?

Discussing London, England possibly getting an expansion NFL team in Europe
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[@NoName-rq6bg]

Intrest in England and Germany isn’t there to constantly fill a stadium. 1 or 2 games is manageable but an own team definitely not. Europe is a continent where soccer is as popular as all the 5 most poular sports in America combined. The stadium they would want to use are owned by a soccer team and will not even allow them to be used. Attendance in the first few games would probably be good but after that it would be dependent on Americans traveling there to fill it.

[@NapTownKid410]

I disagree with you on Germany. Germany has long been the major football hotbed of Europe. The ELF has 17 teams in it, 7 of them are in Germany. Germany love their football

[@jibbjabb43]

One or two games is way more than manageable, it's an easy sell put with a wait list. There's a pair of tangential concerns, but the novelty of having a big 4 US team would be a big sell of it's own.

[@Yankeesofpeople]

@@jibbjabb43 What do you think Sports jornals will talk ??? Colts x chiefs or Chelsea x liverpool, Come on dude, England have their own sport " Rugby", Never a Nfl team will surpass Rugby in popularity, Lets be honest

[@jibbjabb43]

@@Yankeesofpeople Ignoring that money is powerful, saying ' but sports journals' doesn't change what I said and it's facts.

[@NoName-rq6bg]

@@NapTownKid410they play infront of maybe a couple hundred people

[@RB-.-]

The scheduling is a mess. I really hope this doesn’t happen

[@oblivieon1567]

The NFL puts these games on like it's the Super Bowl with parades, fan experiences, college marching bands. So yeah it's really cool with all the Americana and pageantry. But does Europe really want a regular NFL season grind? The Jags are different because they did a ton of marketing early on in London and they have a pretty sizable fan base so they would be fine. But the other teams? I'm not so sure. I'm not sold on the idea that they want their own European team but rather enjoy the American NFL experience.

[@roytofilovski9530]

There is already massive sports saturation in Europe. How could a football team compete in a market that is saturated with traditional European sports? This is stupid, unless the league is prepared to lose millions upon millions for at least ten years.

[@Ciaran_Johnson]

The team(s) would have 8/9 home games a year. The American market is also saturated with different sports. In the UK it's football (soccer), then Rugby. Cricket is a distant third and not accessible to lots of kids. There's plenty of room for growing sports. It would be a massive project but it is completely doable.

[@jibbjabb43]

The only real concern here is if Soccer deliberately tried to make it fail. The NFL's 1 game a week model is very friendly to other sports that don't want to play on Sunday.

[@roytofilovski9530]

@@jibbjabb43 The English soccer league plays partly on Sunday. It has done so for at least 25 years.

[@sampicano]

europe is LITERALLY not over saturated in sports, they like rugby a little, basketball a little, soccer a LOT, cycling is not a sport, neither is racing

[@roytofilovski9530]

@@sampicano London alone has 13 pro soccer teams. 13

[@Simbaforlife]

I see a Super Bowl in Europe before a team

[@seanjohnson8046]

NO! I will stop watching the NFL if they do this!

[@michaelseeney6582]

The rumors alone has made me stop watching it. I know the troops loved the Germany game but that was the last straw for me.

[@OnlySlickGad]

Yall don't want it over here we don't either keep that shit away

[@NapTownKid410]

Ideally, if the NFL looks to expand in Europe then London should be used as the gateway. I'm surprised it's taken this long for the league to play a game in Germany. Germany is the football hotbed of Europe. As for International expansion, the country I'm kind of surprised no one mentions is Japan. There's a history of American Football being a draw, the football infrastructure is already in place. College and pro football has a long, steady history in Japan. Logistically it'd be a nightmare but it does make sense

[@HoshizakiYoshimasa]

Japanese. Hahaha No. Rugby has leapfrogged American Football. Especially after Japan hosted the Rugby World Cup. Rugby is a more global sport with more consistent rules and action. American Football popularity has declined in Japan and Japanese mothers view it as a barbaric sport especially considering CTE Brain damage

[@robertlindey2538]

The PRESEASON was reduced from 4 games to 3 (excluding those in the Canton game), to accommodate an extra game added to the REGULAR season.

[@riccorich]

And revenue sharing

[@JasonTzzz]

I went to an NFL game at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium is a world class facility. But it is indeed inaccessible. There are 0 car parks, it's a 20 minute walk to the underground, it's a 2-3 hour line to catch a train back, and the surrounding area has a few pubs but no space for tailgates (NFL tradition).

[@kingmo8789]

An NFL team in London does NOT make sense. Division wise will be a mess and travel costs is going to skyrocket.

[@jackdriver2736]

Hot spur stadium is also a purposely built nfl stadium as well, the nfl and totneham signed a deal that would see the stadium include 2 pitches the booths and tv that’s needed for a nfl game to be broadcasted to.

[@jcueto75]

Honestly there should no London or European expansion. What they should do is that every team plays a neutral site game. Make sense 8 home games 8 road games and neutral site game. Don't just include European cities like London and Frankfurt but you can also include cites in Mexico and Canada. Those cities would be Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Monterey, and Mexico City. You can also include American cities with no NFL teams like San Antonio, Orlando, St. Louis, Louisville, Birmingham, and San Diego

[@guyfaux3978]

The Aussie Rules league in Australia (of course!) does that, i.e. neutral sites, but it's mostly to eliminate congestion at the Melbourne Cricket Ground and Marvel Stadium. The thing is, it has to be worthwhile for two of the teams (Hawthorn and North Melbourne) to go to Tasmania to play several games throughout the season there. And the other arrangement, that of Greater Western Sydney playing like four games in Canberra, is done because frankly, there really isn't that much demand for two teams in Sydney but "one and a half teams" seems to cover things there and in Canberra.

[@jpmnky]

That’s actually a really good idea.

[@Johenz]

@@jpmnkynfl already play in Mexico City and Canada have their own league so we can’t play there

[@JasonTzzz]

I love that idea!!!!!!!!!! You could even play games at MLB fields, college football stadiums, etc

[@jaycup9621]

I've never met a European that likes American Football.

[@bobbowie9350]

Hand egg

[@MrUnsolvedMystery]

What is the purpose of putting a team in London anyways? Such a nightmare to travel back and forth. Just keep it like it is with a few games played their every year

[@jtjr26]

Even with creative scheduling, it would still be brutal for any European-based team. They would have an intense amount of jetlag in several parts of the season. I am not saying it wouldn't work but it would put any European-based team at a severe disadvantage.

[@HoshizakiYoshimasa]

As for the fact Europe already has something Better than American Football.... Rugby.

[@blacksunshine1089]

I would also imagine that finding enough players who are willing to move to Europe. And not to mention currency issues and language barriers… The NBA has run into similar issues with having teams in Canada.

[@freemantle85]

@@blacksunshine1089 Americans really do struggle with British English

[@riccorich]

No I disagree, it's not like teams regularly fly 6 six hours coast to coast, Europe will need at least 2 teams or four for expansion

[@Johenz]

@@riccorichdisagree on what? Most nfl players say they hate playing in Europe. It’s not that the culture sucks but the traveling, the jet lag and not being able to rest. So yeah it’s a terrible idea to travel every other week to America and London. If anything give Canada and Mexico a team before London it makes the most sense

[@mj6493]

In 1988, the Minnesota Vikings and Chicago Bears played a preseason game in Gothenberg, Sweden.

[@boryman2999]

Jacksonville Jags can do 2 games in London, Germany, Canada, Mexico, which leaves 8 home games. It's not the scheduling, its the talent for expansion teams that are thin. honestly if they add aussie rules football to the punt returns, the crossover would attract international fans.

[@gothestags09]

Australian, South Africa and NZ Super Rugby teams say "cry more" - South Africa was part of Super Rugby from the beginning in 1996 (and formats before that) until Covid. Flights to South Africa or from South Africa happened with games still on consecutive weekends. But yes, like you said it was block scheduling. When a team went away to SA or a SA away to Aus/NZ it was for two or three weeks.

[@guyfaux3978]

URC does the same thing, don't they? The European teams spend two weeks in RSA and vice versa, not because of the time difference (one hour), but just because of the length of the flight.

[@joshuatayloe8616]

The problem with NFL expansion is the current Conference and Division model would require an 8 team expansion. This would lead to either creating a new division in each Conference or restructuring the divisions to give each division 5 teams. It's far easier to relocate a franchise because they would not need to restructure anything that exists.

[@jibbjabb43]

You don't need 8 teams. It's just 4.

[@CaptRR]

I miss NFL Europe. Some fun summer time games.

[@gothestags09]

It's back, essentially. The European League of Football is using a lot fo the old names and in its 3rd season, nearly time for the playoffs again

[@drincmusic2769]

as far as working out currencies, I think euros would be good for european countries probably should stay away from anything substantially difficult to do like including cad and mexican pesos. british lbs are kinda iffy, but I feel like it's necessary in order to at least get a foothold in european markets.

[@robertlindey2538]

I remember when the Jaguars "closed off" some of their seats so they could avoid TV blackouts.

[@heero75]

If the NFL expands then I expect that they would do a four team expansion, one game in London, one team in Germany, France and Spain. I don't think they will have two teams in London, they place teams in other nations and whenever they meet it becomes England vs France or England vs Germany which would draw more attention.

[@Scott-vk4jv]

Sounds good in terms of European representation but is the nfl a draw in Spain and France?

[@sampicano]

you described Euro NFL which was a complete and utter failure (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Europe)

[@Johenz]

Horrible idea. American don’t speak German, French or Spanish. So tf would you want to send a kid (get drafted at 21) to a foreign country to live without their family? The you have to travel to America every other week to play, horrible for the body

[@deadeye4520]

The "London Jaguars" has a nice ring to it. I'm sure they would rename to the Monarchs, or some other royalty based mascot.

[@overbanked]

Stop the nonsense

[@deadeye4520]

@@overbanked What nonsense?

[@overbanked]

@@deadeye4520 The Jags moving nonsense. Shad Khan is pouring boatloads of money into Jacksonville, with things like the Miller Electric Center. You probably been saying the "Jags are gonna move" for decades now, and it still hasn't happened....

[@deadeye4520]

@@overbankedActually that was the first time I've ever typed that.

[@sampicano]

@@overbankedI thought they would relocate around 2006 2007. Seems less likely now, but for decades that was the team that deserved to be relocated lol (I have a Jags jersey lol) Truth hurts

[@NetwerkGuy]

I have my doubts about Toronto getting a team, with Buffalo nearby.

[@sampicano]

Just googled it...2 hour and 47 minute drive. From Toronto to Buffalo. That's not close. Same distance as Cleveland to Buffalo. Toronto is 6.2 million people. And Toronto hates Buffalo in hockey. I don't know a single person with season tickets to the Bills. Like who is driving 2 hours and 47 minutes to tail gate at Orchard Park? Considering Buffalo is only 276,807 (2021) people they probably shouldn't have a team at all. Some people in Ontario support the Bills, some people in Ontario also support the Lions though...(and a lot of people support the Cowboys...) the city needs an NFL team.

[@user-vi7uv6mv7r]

The only way the nfl could make this work is they create a 4-6 team division with international teams 2 in Canada, 1 in Mexico and 3 in Europe

[@sampicano]

bro if it doesnt work with American teams, how would it work with a mexican and canadian team? you understand they are literally above and below the states right???? think about that

[@whoknowsthis1]

Given 4 total teams in Europe..Away games would be two at a time. So they would only be traveling to the US and back 4-5 times in the season. Playoffs, You couldn't pre plan that.

[@supremeb3563]

NFL in London is a two week novelty at best. Too expensive, and Londoners and Europeans are not stupid and will not pay $20 for hotdogs and $30 for beer at 9 home games a year.

[@jibbjabb43]

They already have sales figures to suggest they can do more than 3 games in Europe.

[@Mr.Ed_Wayner]

NFL tries to schedule Euro games during soccer International breaks especially since they use Tottenham Hot Spur stadium. I think 2 London teams and 2 Germany teams (Frankfurt & Munich). One of the London teams could be the Jaguars. Then backfill the Jaguars with a Toronto team.

[@danielkerber8667]

Going to say 2 NFL teams in London make more sense. One it gives fans there a chance to have a rival and 2 it makes scheduling 10 times easier with the ability to have nfl teams do road trips for 2 weeks then get a by and same with the London based teams.

[@timothyblack3322]

Florida State starts the 2024 Season in the Dublin Ireland. The ACC has sent teams over there for some time now 🏈. It will be interesting to see how many people show up.

[@jonnymayne4321]

Ireland, the Gators are playing in Dublin

[@jeffthewhiff]

I don't think it is a good idea at all to have NFL teams in Europe. Logistically, it just isn't practical and the league should just drop this idea ASAP.

[@sampicano]

This frustrates me so much. The NFL hasn't expanded in over 20 years (since 2002) and London should not be considered over North American cities that ACTUALLY like football. Remember the Euro NFL? Oh that's right nobody remembers it. And that league only died in 2007. The league was around for over 12 years, can anybody name a single Euro NFL team???? ...no one has one, that's why the league failed so miserably. If you are going to expand into Europe go to Germany, where they ACTUALLY LOVE football, but even that is stupid idea. Toronto, Ontario has over 6.6 million people. San Antonio, Texas has over 2.5 million people. Austin, Texas has over 2.3 million people and it is only an hour from San Antonio. Those are the smart choices. If the NFL only wants a large market (London's only benefit), then go to Rio or Tokyo or some other dumb location. A Toronto or San Antonio-Austin NFL franchise would INSTANTLY be worth more than $4 billion dollars. It's just money sitting there.

[@Cahluvca]

No.....

[@Know26874]

They need 4 teams over there

[@mattyg4186]

Travel would be insane and costly

[@kdids]

Wembley is kinda the original super stadium - it blew everyone's mind when it opened. Stadiums are designed different in Europe because the ppl there expect different thing's. They DGAF about the idea that the upper deck encircling the stadium "makes it look bad" like you do.

[@katemoo9581]

I don’t want the NFL to go to London I want them to go to Canada

[@josephmelendez2243]

The idea is not to move a team but get a new team in every Europe´s city.

[@BrownieCFB]

I could see a NFC and AFC Europa division. NFC Europa: -London -Dublin -Amsterdam -Berlin/Frankfurt AFC Europa: -Barcelona/Madrid -Lisbon -Paris -Rome

[@sampicano]

@@BrownieCFB You described NFL Europa basically, that league which was a complete disaster and only ended in 2007

[@BrownieCFB]

@@sampicano This would be different because this is the real NFL. Top tier talent would be playing in Europe.

[@sampicano]

@@BrownieCFB Do you think an EPL team in the United States is smart too?

[@BrownieCFB]

@@sampicano Nope. I don’t think it’s a good idea, bad for the sport. I’d rather have St. Louis, San Diego, San Antonio, Louisville, and Salt Lake City over any European team.

[@alansnow1129]

Football would be doable in Europe but nba and mlb definitely could never do it

[@andreanari3341]

2:20 That's not the island of Cyprus for the Lions! It's the island of Crete in Greece!

[@ediaz951]

i hate this idea cause why not just spread the NFL to the Americas give Canada and Mexico a team that would be dope

[@jibbjabb43]

Because Canada may only happen if you give them 4 teams and the return in money and potential players is a fraction of what Europe *could be*. And Mexico just isn't ready.

[@sampicano]

@@jibbjabb43 so toronto, which is literally 45 min from buffalo and 4 hour from detroit....will need four teams? that's one of those sentences that makes everybody else stupider for reading it.

[@jibbjabb43]

@sampicano Don't suggest anything is dumb when you're openly suggesting Toronto is the only major city in Canada.

[@michaelwalston2438]

If supersonic air travel comes back, that would help. Also, west coast teams playing European teams should meet in New York. Also what about adding Mexican (LFA) and Canadian teams to the mix? This might all very well happen but not in this decade

[@Yankeesofpeople]

Never a Nfl game will be more important than Champions League game, By the way in England Rugby is hugeeeeee( This year will be the world cup of Rugby)

[@riccorich]

Nfl plays on Sunday with full crowd, champions league is totally different

[@riccorich]

Champions l3ague is on Tuesday and Wednesday soon. It can coexist

[@Yankeesofpeople]

@@riccorich They have Rugby, Why do you think NFl will have popularity in there ???? Is more easy cricket be more popular than NFL

[@Yankeesofpeople]

@@riccorich What do you think sports jornals will talk: Colts x Lions or Chelsea x liverpool, Come on dude, People in Usa think Nfl will surpass Rugby, This is insane

[@riccorich]

@@Yankeesofpeople the NFL doesn't need to be popular in UK just need the market.. US sports is bigger than any country

[@panowa8319]

If London were to have an NFL franchise, then the rest of Europe needs to expand to have have 8 teams altogether. London, Dublin, Edinburgh (Scotland) Barcelona, Paris, Rome, Berlin, Amsterdam. Four of the teams would be in the American or National Conference.

[@sampicano]

yeah the Euro NFL existed, it was like 8 teams in Europe (the cities that loved american football the most) and it failed miserably

[@blacksunshine1089]

No, the NFL does not need more teams. As it is, we already have have franchises that have 60+ year championship droughts. Another issue that these European franchises may face is attracting free agents.

[@DveMcGuire]

Not a chance of FT expansion in Europe. Theyre already feeling safety heat over CTE and they arent a FT tenant. Paying off the EU govt like the US wouldnt be feasible.

[@kuratainoma852]

I hope NOpe. Put 4 more in inland. San Diego, Portland, SLC, Austin.

[@sampicano]

San Antonio (largest US market without a NFL team), Toronto (largest market in Canada or US without a team), San Diego (bring back chargers!!!!!!), St. Louis (bring back the rams....)

[@drincmusic2769]

I think there needs to be an afc euro division, and an nfc euro division in order for it to truly work. 8 teams.

[@drincmusic2769]

because 8 or 9 home games for the euro teams, 3 away games for them in europe (away division games) leaves 5 or 6 away games for them in the united states and for the teams in the united states, they would only have like 1-3 games in europe and the rest in the US. depending on how the schedule lays out. and that would be easy one the teams in the US but probably a little more difficult on the teams in europe. because inter-division play is usually 2 away, 2 at home, and you play 1 team of every division so every US team would have at least 1 game in europe. divisions playing against the europe divisions would have 2 games, and when it's teams playing against the other conference's europe division, they would still have to play 1 from the europe division of the same conference to add up to 3 total in europe.

[@drincmusic2769]

5 divisions would be odd though, so it would be hard to play 1 division in your own conference. mainly because 2 + 2 + 1 so there would be a division left out. the nfl might have to expand another 16 teams in order to work out that entire way of scheduling problems. I mean there have been talks of expanding the nfl in the US and I'm sure there's 8 cities around the US that could accommodate for 8 nfl teams but it's hard. (not saying that these are cities that would ever get teams) I would say from looking at map, and population, you would have to have the new 8 teams in the us be san diego, st louis, austin, san antonio, oklahoma city, lousville, columbus, and memphis. realignment: nfc: west: seattle, arizona, la rams, san francisco east: atlanta, carolina, tennessee, washington central: indianapolis, louisville, cincinnati, columbus north: minnesota, green bay, detroit, chicago south: new orleans, tampa, jacksonville, miami euro: berlin, munich, frankfurt, paris afc: west: denver, las vegas, san diego, la Chargers east: baltimore, philadelphia, new york, new york central: kansas city, ok city, st louis, memphis north: pittsburgh, cleveland, buffalo, new england south: dallas, houston, san antonio, austin euro: london, manchester, dublin, madrid. this would turn into an 18 week season. 6 divisional games (3 home, 3 away), 4 games against another division in the conference(2 home, 2 away), 4 games against a division in the other conference(2 home, 2 away), 4 games against the conference in the divisions you aren't playing that year (based on performance in division of the previous season)(2 home, 2 away). so how would this look like if the berlin crows played a season, and that year they played the nfc south, and the afc south? week 1 berlin vs munich week 2 berlin at frankfurt week 3 new orleans at berlin week 4 tampa at berlin week 5 green bay at berlin week 6 louisville at berlin week 7 1st bye (this is where the traveling begins) week 8 berlin at arizona week 9 berlin at carolina week 10 berlin at jacksonville week 11 berlin at miami week 12 berlin at dallas week 13 berlin at san antonio week 14 2nd bye (return trip home) week 15 paris at berlin week 16 houston at berlin week 17 austin at berlin week 18 berlin at paris week 19 berlin at munich week 20 frankfurt at berlin having 2 byes in a season would be really important, not only for travel, but also for player health. the sport itself is a messy one so keeping players able to go throughout the season is going to be very important. also jet lag would be something that players would have to deal with and it would be better for the integrity of the game if they didn't have the problem of jet lag during their time over seas. for the teams that only play 1 european team in the season, they would almost have a month-long bye and it wouldn't be great for the fans, but it would feel like a vacation to the nfl players. european teams would have it hard handling 6 games in the states every year aside from the leap year when they face the other european division which would only give them 4 games over seas. at the same time, they would have a bit of a home field advantage with them being 5-6 hours ahead on just the east coast. 8-9 hours ahead from west coast teams.

[@sampicano]

@@drincmusic2769 Eight more Teams.... What a dumb idea. You would ruin the NFL. 53 players per team. Times 8 teams. Equals....424 players. Your terrible league, needs to find 424 guys NOT in the NFL to play football. Where are they? High school? Or CFL? Basically the entire CFL. Would that make the product better or worse? Plus add on the scheduling logistics, and honestly that idea would RUIN the NFL. It would be the worst product ever.

[@riccorich]

I dont see a 4 team europeN divisions with expanding to at least 8 teams

[@jibbjabb43]

NFL expansion is probably a decade away due to CBAs. Also, 3 team divisions could be preferable in an 18 game schedule, with the aid of 2 byes, could do a lot to make London teams manageable.

[@HoshizakiYoshimasa]

So fanbases that once had a 1 in 32 chance at a championship has even LESS chance? A sports league can't endlessly expand and expand. Enough teams

[@jibbjabb43]

@HoshizakiYoshimasa The odds of a championship is literally the last real point of consideration. If money is there they can endlessly explain.

[@sampicano]

which part of the cbas specifically?

[@evanolivas5035]

London could certainly accommodate an NFL franchise, the big issue is the scheduling. There would have to be a hub of NFL teams across Europe so that it would make sense for the flight time for the American teams

[@riccorich]

NFL should had started in Germany Germany has more indepth history than any country in Europe

[@Not_Sal]

I hope I’m not the only one who thinks this is a terrible idea, am I?

[@Super-J10]

Bring back the Concord and maybe…

[@riccorich]

The NFL season should start 1 month early add more by weeks

[@EGNKingAdam]

Just bring back NFL Europe but use the same free agent pool.

[@overbanked]

The second Jags London game is the Bills "home game". Who cares, it's not like back to back home games....Only one home game away from Everbank, not two...

[@drincmusic2769]

is the european fan base there? all you gotta do is just add beer.

[@arturobalderas6106]

Setting up a euro pod would be the only way this would work. The travel would be brutal for them going stateside and back. If they set up a euro pod/division, they should put teams in London, Barcelona, Manchester, and Amsterdam.

[@ig_BLJHsports]

Exactly. Needs to be a division there to have it makes sense. Teams fly there, play both (or more) teams and then travel back to US and same with the EU teams. Almost like a 2-4 away and then 2-4 home.

[@bobwallace9814]

The facts are, the NFL is tapped out moneywise in the US so this expansion will happen. Fact..the Hotspurs stadium is an NFL spec stadium for one reason only....an NFL team. Canada is out due to the CFL. Mexico City would be a great site but Jerry Jones would squawk as the Cowboys are the team they follow now. So back to Europe. London will happen and I can see another in Germany. I think the obvious team to Europe is NOT the Jaguars but the new London Chargers.

[@NapTownKid410]

The NFL is actually bigger in Canada than the CFL. It gets more eyes on TV. The NFL would easily usurp any CFL team in would share a city with. Toronto, Montreal or Vancouver would be ideal cities to consider for Canadian expansion.

[@jacobcorn7758]

NFL expansion outside the US will never happen

[@Not_Sal]

@@NapTownKid410the Bills wouldn’t like that

[@riccorich]

Not really, NFL is just picky, there are number of ways to make revenue, the NFL just want to be more interantional

[@riccorich]

NFL should invest in small markets buy out the XFL make a second division

[@dreamcage1801]

Put an NFL team in San Diego again

[@nathanjm000]

A terrible one

[@chuckdraper7776]

Those trans Atlantic flights suck. If the NFL expands to Europe they need to have planes exclusively to make those flights that are designed with ultra 1st class accommodations to help lessen the effects of jet lag.

[@sampicano]

or give portland, oregon a team or something and realize how stupid the london idea is lol

[@Jab_Reel]

LA AND NY DONT NEED 2 TEAMS. ONE OF THOSE TEAMS IS MORE LIKELY TO MOVE TO LONDON THAN THE JAGS.

[@jibbjabb43]

The teams are fine where they are in LA and NY. Certainly helps justify stadium costs. Might help your case to use TV figures, but I guarantee that there is no hard feelings on the current set up. The Jags certainly grew in to Jacksonville, but that's ultimately an ownership call to move them - if they move.

[@Not_Sal]

LA yes but you’re completely wrong about New York and seemingly must not know anything about how NY sports work.

[@sampicano]

go look up the forbes rankings of who is worth more lmao, the NY giants, NY jets, LA rams, LA chargers or jacksonville....jacksonville is by far worth the least.

[@Jab_Reel]

@@sampicano ok so if we are going off value these teams would be relocated before the jags Arizona Cardinals, $3.8 billion Buffalo Bills, $3.7 billion Detroit Lions, $3.6 billion Cincinnati Bengals, $3.5 billion --- Jacksonville Jaguars, $4 billion

[@sampicano]

@@Jab_Reel maybe buffalo, since the city is the smallest NFL market, but clearly expansion is a smarter move since you split the expansion fee with the NFL owners

[@alldayubum]

But them in the AFC East the London Redcoats vs the New England patriots

[@gymrat2647]

Would work if there was a NFl Europe

[@Not_Sal]

There was one and it failed. Maybe it’s time to try that again

[@sampicano]

"Would work if there was a NFL Europe" NFL Europe (1995-2007) - The league had been losing a reported US$30 million a year. 12 years x $30 million USD a year = $360,000,000 million (2007 money)....or $511,000,0000 (half a billion dollars in 2023 money). Really? You don't think it will lose millions? You think it will work? Okay. This is what the internet is for. Everyone with a computer now has an opinion.

[@Not_Sal]

@@sampicano that was almost 20 years ago. I wouldn’t be surprised if the NFL try again

[@sampicano]

@@Not_Sal they lost half a billion in today's money....$360 million in 2007 money I'd be very surprised if they were that stupid. Don't they want to make money? There ARE cities that would make money for the NFL.

[@PTrep2727]

Toronto the only one that makes sense. 🤷

[@riccorich]

Europe doesnt have alot of NFL ready stadiums, wembley and tHam are good, Berlin will need some work munich will need some touches, Frankfurt will need to expand to 60to 70k

[@chicagodude8888]

They’ll be perpetual losers with no shot at signing star free agents and the jet lag flying to the states and back, even if they were to format 4 home games and 4 consecutive games in the states will fuck with players heads. Just reinstate NFL Europa.

[@jibbjabb43]

NFL Europa already effectively exists. The reason why they aren't stopping there is basically how little exposure such a league will always have. I'm also pretty sure they'd be perfectly okay with a European team or even a series of them struggling most years.

[@chicagodude8888]

@@jibbjabb43 The league might. The players union will be a major obstacle.

[@jibbjabb43]

@chicagodude8888 The NFLPA is trash. To the point that the NFL plays them like a fiddle. They'll have concerns that will delay the NFL by one CBA, if that. Doesn't help that expansion is massively pro player. The biggest threat to the NFL's current direction are European in nature.

[@chicagodude8888]

@@jibbjabb43 How many teams are they expanding to? There’s a number of markets in the continental US to expand to before even mentioning Europe. Best bet would be to assign a team to a specific markets across Europe where they’d play one home game/year and the other 16 would be televised (Jaguars would have broadcasting rights in London). London would kind of have a team without the travel headaches.

[@jibbjabb43]

@chicagodude8888 Expanding state side does not net you more international popularity or TV deals. I'd agree that like you could do 4-8 more teams stateside and 4-6 in Canada, but it's obvious why the NFL is looking in Europe. Even if you give each team a European home game, there comes a time where you're kind of missing the mark just to fight the obvious trend. Better to bite the bullet.

[@nickk7425]

How is Jacksonville the worst stadium in the league?? They have hosted a super bowl there before.

[@coreysalter3421]

I still think they should recreate a developmental league there 6-8 teams, which each team tied to an NFL Franchise or 2.

[@nordisk1874]

New York only has one football team the Bills. The Jets almost came home.

[@thephantomeagle2]

It’s not a problem having the Jets and Giants in Jersey. Given the cost of land acquisition, and access, New York is a hard place for the NFL.

[@nordisk1874]

@@thephantomeagle2 it’s a big problem for Long Islanders just like where the islanders are in queens it’s to far to go to a game.

[@mattyg4186]

How many super bowls do the Bills have ?

[@nordisk1874]

@@mattyg4186 don’t know, don’t care Jersey Giants have a few.

[@thephantomeagle2]

@@nordisk1874 What about the Islanders new arena in Elmont. that seems to be a much better location.

[@awfulolaf]

NFL transforming into the World League.

[@terranceramirez4816]

IIRC part of the purpose of the original World League was for the NFL to gauge the logistics of having teams in Europe.

[@panowa8319]

There was a league called the World League of American Football, later rechristen as NFL Europa, which was a development league. Kurt Warner had his tenure with one of the teams.

[@sampicano]

Why not add an EPL team in NYC? Because it's a stupid idea... The smart choice for international expansion would be Toronto. Canada invented football. Toronto has great NFL TV ratings (4th in North America; Toronto-Hamilton 8.3 million viewers). You wouldn't have to destroy the schedule to add them in. They already have a team in the MLB, MLS, NHL and NBA. It has 6.2 Million people (2021) just waiting for a team...and you don't have to do any stupid scheduling. There's also Mexico City with 21 Million people. And it's larger than London, and you still wouldn't have to ruin the entire schedule to fit them in. London is a BAD idea. Europe is a bad idea. San Antonio, or Austin, is a great idea. There are places in North America WAY more deserving of an NFL franchise.

[@davidbuswa9425]

The NFL isn't coming to Toronto. The Bills in Toronto was a disaster. No level of Canadian government is going to pay for 3 billion dollar stadium. Canada has the CFL. The NFL needs to stop marketing to Canada, stealing fans and players The NFL should let the CFL flourish on it's own

[@sampicano]

@@davidbuswa9425 An NFL team in Toronto would be much better than the one in Buffalo. Toronto needs a stadium, until that happens no NFL team. But eventually, when the rust belt continues to shrink, and the population of Buffalo continues it's decline that team will move. A smart choice is the 6.2 million people in Toronto and the 700k in Hamilton. Toronto HATES Buffalo. They won't support a Buffalo team, Buffalo is barely a city it would have no choice but to follow an NFL team in Toronto. Move them to a real city. Toronto will not support small time teams....AHL/CFl....and will not support American teams (Detroit/Buffalo). But Toronto is MUCH bigger than those cities.

[@riccorich]

Irealand is too small not happening

[@MaximusGaming]

London absolutely has the fan base for their own team

[@sonanderson6351]

Long term? Hard to say, very competitive market

[@HoshizakiYoshimasa]

Mostly expat Americans. And British people married to Americans. Keep that inferior padded Rugby in Burgerland.

[@sampicano]

@@sonanderson6351 so does tokyo, but both are terrible locations for an NFL franchise

[@WDI2008]

Toronto should get an NFL first!

[@user-ps5ux2sp6w]

anpanman!

[@robertcousins2274]

tott-en-ham?

[@ericpoyntz7460]

I kind of feel like if you do 2 expansions your prob gonna need to do 8, I predict you will prob have at least 4 teams in Europe (2 England, 1 Ireland and 1 Germany) they could also expand into Canada (Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver) and Maybe Mexico City. In terms of the Europe team there's multiple ways they can do travel, the basic would be week 1-8 in Europe for 2 of the Euro teams and the other 2 play in NA for those weeks and then they switch the biggest hurdle would prob be the playoffs cuz they have to be so close in order to not be at a disadvantage

[@sampicano]

I bet you money, real money that Ireland, Vancouver, never get teams. In fact I would bet you any amount. Name your price.

[@ericpoyntz7460]

@@sampicano Not gonna bet any money cuz I highly doubt any of those are gonna happen until travel gets a lot better. I am just saying if they have to do ANY team outside North America they prob need to do 2 but more then likely 4 and at that point why not give every division a international team

[@timothyblack3322]

Take a Xanax & go to sleep. 👍🏼

[@o.whit11]

Americans talking about jet lag 😂 you don't have any from UK to US. London to New York is basically same distance as New York to LA. Americans please learn world geography

[@AndrewKerr5]

Jaguars owners son just sold out Wembley with 81,035 fans for his AEW wrestling promotion. London can certainly accommodate two teams. Two in Germany one, Spain one, Dublin and maybe one in Scotland. Dublin would be the smallest market, however it does pack a punch. The UK can support two or three teams. London can easily accommodate two, a third in the UK in Scotland could be a possibility. The franchise would have to share a new stadium in Glasgow (a massive market for sport) with actual football with the Scottish National Team. Or Edinburgh with a new Murrayfeild stadium and share with the Scottish Rugby Union. As for Europe, Madrid could host a team, however would have to share with Real Madrid, who have just renovated their stadium for a billion euros. Barcelona are starting a billion and a half euro renovation as a second location. Germany with Munich and Cologne would be my favourites there. They have massive markets. To be honest, If the NFL wants it to work, it needs to be looking at 6 or 8 teams. Almost a mini division to be honest. The NFL needs to be ready to fund the European expansion for at least a decade, maybe even two. To be able to cut through those markets, and to be able to be classed as legitimate from a American stand point.

[@sampicano]

rio could host a team, tokyo could host a team, mumbai could host a team. all terrible terrible terrible ideas for expansion

[@deehunter8408]

NOPE!

[@cjhan9816]

NFL should have kept Europe NFL. SMH.

[@sampicano]

they didnt want it, cant force a league on them they dont want

[@sampicano]

London/England Monarchs were an NFL Europe team from 1995 to 1998. Fart Noise.

[@cjhan9816]

@@sampicano: Funny rolmao! Do not forget Scottish / Edinburgh Claymores: 1995 to 2001.

[@sampicano]

@@cjhan9816 Germany legit loved the NFL. and still does. NFL Europe was like 8 teams, and 4 in Germany. Still a dumb place to expand lol

[@cjhan9816]

@@sampicano: Agreed. NFL Canada team expansion or relocation (Jaguars) up into Toronto upon most likely.

[@adanalyst6925]

It seems like the most popular place for football is Germany, not the UK

[@guyfaux3978]

It seems like the country where they bet more on the games is the UK.

[@adanalyst6925]

@@guyfaux3978 interesting, maybe they’re addicted to gambling there

[@peteruhlig9004]

No we don't need a team in London. Period

[@jrock2019]

You can take the chargers. Hahahhahhahah

[@williammoore27]

NFL is bringing the expansion team in Beijing!🏈🏈🏈🏈🏈🏈

[@whoknowsthis1]

Would love it! Also, They wouldn't be able to do any of the Woke BS at all. Really nice

[@riccorich]

NFL is in the best position to be a Global league in like Uefa or FIFA

[@bobbart6498]

You’ve got to learn to pronounce Tottenham correctly.