Can Non-Native English Speakers Teach In China ?

[@kaypeeinchina]

I've been working in China as an English professor for almost 8 years. :)) I am from the Philippines. :))

[@viewpointabroad]

I’ve been here about 15 years now. Probably gonna leave next year.

[@jcbajj2993]

Hello Kaypeeinchina, can I connect with you? I have a couple of questions about your profession in China. Thank you!

[@ExpatDadAdventures]

Working abroad can be a lot of fun! Glad to see you uploading new videos.

[@AzhaxBeats]

Hi John dear dear freind Thank you so much for this video I am Studying TEFL at a university in Iran and I have 8 on IELTS, I thought because of being a non-native speaker I am not able to find a Teaching position(It upset me) . Thanks again your are a life saver😂❤❤🎉😂

[@ramirezw2010]

Good post, and motivated keep seeking for job in China

[@victorkipchumba907]

Do a video on the budget that one (esp non-natives)would use to locate/ find a job in china. This video was very informative.I just subscribed!

[@viewpointabroad]

Thanks for watching. I’ll try to include a budget related video soon. Thanks for the suggestion.

[@sozka.]

Thank you for your insights, incredibly helpful! Much love😊

[@aleksabroad]

I worked with some None Native speakers who were making way more then me, lol, they had longevity and were well known and actually had fun and enjoyed doing their job.

[@gciniwecele4912]

Hi. Please share the non native agents

[@SplendidAnimator]

these videos are nice, kind of gives us all a perspective of what to expect working abroad.

[@dannybee6677]

John I appreciate your honesty.

[@viewpointabroad]

Thanks

[@teachernigel7493]

Thank you, bro. What city in China do you teach in?

[@franciscoj.burbanoo.7723]

Hey friend, where do you exactly teach in China?

[@viewpointabroad]

Guangdong province, I've been here for 14 years. Mostly 2 cities , Shenzhen and Zhongshan

[@Ula.Monika]

I want to teach English / kindergarten in China or Hong Kong, but I am from Poland. Do I still have a chance to obtain the visa? I am waiting for my bachelors degree, I have TEFL and TESOL.

[@viewpointabroad]

@@Ula.Monika legally to teach English you need to be from a native English speaking country , but there are some exceptions sometimes but it’s a lot more difficult nowadays. It’s easier for non native English speakers to teach other stuff like Science , music , drama etc ..

[@krazyspartanodst]

im curious, i just graduated with a degree in business admin, im going to guangzhou as a graduation gift to myself in january. Do you just go around looking for job opportunities like you would here in the states? Im a native speaker from California. I am of latino descent so im not sure if that will affect my chances too much

[@viewpointabroad]

It’s different here. You’re not gonna have much luck walking around trying get a job. If you got a USA passport though getting a job isn’t that difficult of you contact some recruiters.

[@JoostinBuuber]

Bro do you know anything about teaching in Japan, or South Korea, or maybe any other more developed Countries in Asia, maybe Singapore or Taiwan, HK?

[@viewpointabroad]

Nah, sorry. I’ve only worked in China 🇨🇳. I don’t know much about about working in those other counties. I have visited almost all the countries in Asia but I’ve never worked in those places.

[@sheltongasela636]

Try interac and the jet program for japan

[@NicoleNicole-xq4bq]

Hi. thanks for the video. Do you know any agents who can help with the job finding?

[@viewpointabroad]

@@NicoleNicole-xq4bq yes sure 👍. How can you contact them ? You have wechat ?

[@NicoleNicole-xq4bq]

@@viewpointabroad thanks!! i have whatsap and skype.

[@NicoleNicole-xq4bq]

@@viewpointabroadgreat! thanks! i have whatsapp and skype.

[@NicoleNicole-xq4bq]

@@viewpointabroad that'd be great! i have skype and whatsapp

[@NicoleNicole-xq4bq]

@@viewpointabroad great!! I have whatsapp and skype.

[@sofidze]

Thank you for the video! You said you had a tourist visa. How do you think it is possible to come with M visa, find a job and change it to Z visa there in China?

[@viewpointabroad]

Right now it seems no visa can be changed inside China. They are now asking people to go back to their home country to change visa, but usually of the employer is decent they will 9/10 cover the expenses. I’ve only heard of a couple people who’s employers didn’t cover it. Most will pay for your flight round trip ticket and visa expenses

[@WaqarAbid-x9y]

Hello John how are you mate I m non native I did masters from uk in business administration and also graduated in economics do you think I have any chance I can teach in china

[@viewpointabroad]

Last I heard of you have a degree from a native English speaking country it is possible but I don’t personally know anyone who’s done this. I’m just going by what some job recruiters have told me.

[@WaqarAbid-x9y]

So it's possible much appreciated

[@JalomMatia]

since you were not born in the UK (which they will look at on your passport), you will not have much luck applying at jobs teaching English, you should apply for jobs teaching Math or Economics, huge shortage, you should have no problem. but you will still need a 120 hour TEFL certificate as a minimum, and possibly some other certs.

[@szabinahorvath1632]

Hi there! Great vid! 😊 Originally Im from Hungary but having british cirizenship also (dual citizenship). My degree (master in law n political scienses comes from Hungary). Degree from a non-english speaking country is also accepted? What job can i get there? Thank u forward!

[@viewpointabroad]

As far as I know if you have a British passport you’ll be able to get a teaching job even if you’re degree is from a non English speaking country since your nationality is from an English country. You should be able to get several types of teaching jobs.

[@szabinahorvath1632]

@@viewpointabroad Thank u John! I appreciate ur help! :)

[@JalomMatia]

they will look at your passport and see that you are not born in the UK and that you are not a NES, so it will be much more difficult for you. you will need to teach a subject, not English.

[@MS-re1fp]

Well could list down smaller cities for brown or black non native speakers to get subject teacher's job

[@viewpointabroad]

It’s not just smaller cities. Any city is possible, but the competition for the tier 1 cities is higher

[@Faisalkhan-kz6th]

Hi there, i hope you are doing well, your video is very informative and i got a lots of questions answers. I have just completed my master degree in English language and linguistics from London, England and now looking for a job in China but they are asking for an experience and teaching Certificates. Could you please explain about what kind of certificates and is it essential to have teaching experience ?

[@viewpointabroad]

Most require you to have a 140 hour or more TEFL. No many jobs require a teaching license but they do require the TEFL if you don’t have a TEFL they will require you to have 2 years experience. ( this is mandatory for legal work visa ). You can have either of those or both. Qts or PGCE isn’t required but it will get you a higher salary.

[@brayanpalacio5416]

Get a TESOL

[@nosseibagacem9014]

I wanna know about the visa type to work in china as a teacher, i know the z visa is only for native speakers, i'm a non native English speaker with a perfect American accent, i have master's in applied mathematics, what do you advice me to do !!!

[@viewpointabroad]

In your situation it would be best to look for a job as a science teacher. If you can locate a science teacher job you don’t need to be a native English speaker to teach science. Other than that , many Non Native English speakers are working as teachers but their job title will be something like manager or some other title that isn’t a teacher. Like director or accountant or something like that.

[@ГалинаДавыдова-о1м]

There are good jobs for all kind of teachers in the internet

[@HiroshiYamaguchi-od6wn]

how old are you ?

[@viewpointabroad]

42 years young this year !!

[@Greg-uq8ng]

Do you really recommend that job seekers come to China on a tourist visa, rather than apply from their home country?

[@viewpointabroad]

Well, it’s easier to get a job if here in the ground and then go home to do the visa process. I do NOT recommend working on tour visa. But finding a job while here they take you more serious than applying from abroad. People already here get hired before those not here meaning they have access to the best jobs available. If you get hired via online from abroad more than likely it will be a job that is not very desired.

[@JalomMatia]

Actually, most schools prefer that you are in your home country before coming to China, but they hope you have previous experience in China. They want you to come on a work visa that you obtained in your home country, not in HK.

[@JalomMatia]

If you are already in China teaching, then that is fine, but looking for jobs on a tourist visa does not look good, are you bumming around, you have a home, etc. it looks desperate.

[@aleksandercarter1309]

I wanna come back, but id hate to go back to US and process paper work, I thought all that can be done when im there or whatever!

[@viewpointabroad]

Used to be that way but they’ve changed it. Is nearly impossible now without going back home.

[@collyslifeadventureinchina]

I was able to come on a family reunion visa and chill for a bit, then switch to a work visa this year in Guangzhou. All the documentation just needs to be less than six months old.

[@revelationr777]

Hey brozzer, if can I come to chiner with tour visa can I teach kids also? my English is near perfect and I have 30 years of teach English in India, ill be the best brozzer, can I live with you ?

[@luminouslink777]

Where are you from? I'm a very qualified educator, could even land a principal position, because I hold Master's in Education, white, with all work visa paperwork, based in Shenzhen. The issue is here are obsessed with native passports, regardless of qualifications and limit job opportunities for non-natives even more than the Law. Law says only Esl positions are limited to natives. In a smaller city I don't know anyone, there are no lots of foreigners. I'm seriously thinking of leaving China for good this time.

[@viewpointabroad]

I’m from america 🇺🇸. I’ve been here about 14 years now. I don’t have immediate plans to leave but I will in the future due to laws regarding foreign retirement here. I’ll probably end up in Malaysia, Thailand , or Philippines.

[@luminouslink777]

@@viewpointabroad I'm considering Vietnam as my next destination.

[@viewpointabroad]

@@luminouslink777 I prefer Thailand over Vietnam

[@luminouslink777]

@@viewpointabroad Why? What is better there than in Vietnam?

[@viewpointabroad]

@@luminouslink777 higher standard of living for the same cost , better food , more nightlife , more relaxing atmosphere.

[@collyslifeadventureinchina]

I didn't catch it, but did you mention the non native speakers who teach english are working illegally?

[@muhammadmustafa5783]

Why do they discriminate against the black and the brown non-native speakers? Isn't it a racist approach?

[@viewpointabroad]

Well, yes it is a racist approach and many employers don’t mind but at the end of the day they are a business and many won’t pay money due to their lack of open mindedness so the businesses won’t do it. It’s not true for all though. It just takes longer to find a suitable position.

[@Forward_thinker]

Sad to see the world still biased on color than capability

[@viewpointabroad]

Yeah , you’d think as long as there’s been civilization we would get past the whole color thing by now 😭

[@robertosicam6240]

are you really serious about skin color?

[@viewpointabroad]

Yes , it’s true. Even non native with white skin usually get more and better opportunities than those native speakers who are black or brown. It’s even in many job advertisements white only etc …. Not all are like that though. I know some black guys who did manage to find good jobs but it took a while to find. You need to exercise more patience as a black or brown person when seeking a good job.

[@robertosicam6240]

@@viewpointabroad It's like living in the US 100 years ago

[@viewpointabroad]

@@robertosicam6240 yeah kinda , but a lot of my non white friends actually told me the prefer the racism here. They said at least it’s honest and no pretending. They said they feel sure of where they fit in and where they are really wanted. So I guess there are positives and negatives to it. A Korean American friend of mine had a similar experience also even though she’s a legit teacher in America. She struggled to find good work here. She lost jobs to under qualified people mostly because of outer appearance.

[@terrima4064]

I am a Chinese American living and teaching English in Taiwan currently. Its the same here, they prefer white. It sucks but i also understand why they feel that way. Its about having an authentic experience, even though we all know that you can also have an authentic experience with a non-white native speaker. But you have to understand, a lot of people in Asia have never been to a western country, and their knowledge of the West comes from watching movies, which often portrays white people mostly. But to be honest, if i was back in the US and i want to hire someone to teach my child Chinese, i will also pick a Chinese first. I'm sure there are qualified non-Chinese Chinese teachers, but i would only take that chance if they were highly recommended by others, or i have a lot of disposable income to take that chance. In the same way, when i go out for sushi, i'm going to put my money on a Japanese chef making the sushi. With that said, i would say that kind of mindset of thinking only 'whites' can teach perfect English can become like a shadow luring in the back of one's mind saying: I'll never speak perfect English because I'm Asian/ non-white.

[@soggymoggytravels]

The term "native speaker" has fallen out of favor with many English teachers.

[@viewpointabroad]

Yeah you’re right , but it’s still the term all the schools and recruiters use.

[@soggymoggytravels]

@@viewpointabroad It would be nice, though, if teachers can help to stop propagating the myth that "native" has some superior quality. I also see many schools still advertising for "native speakers" and I guess no-one has told them it upsets a whole tranche of the ELT population. (Anyway, I'm not trashing your video in any way here, so please don't take my comment the wrong way.)

[@Sapphires116]

Hello, please what agencies would you recommend to get jobs? I need some help and can I add your WeChat?

[@viewpointabroad]

You can post your resume for free on Dave’s esl cafe and echinacities. You’ll get loads of emails