Can Patriot Anti-Air Defense REALLY intercept missiles?

[@Taskandpurpose]

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[@timothypavlick76]

Looking forward to this all week

[@Tacticaltrooper2024]

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[@felixmorrison5637]

Wow! I love durable fun conversation pieces! I'll take 100!

[@boogerdog5247]

I once served on the DE-218...Darby, transferred from Surface Div. to Subs...I miss my Sealion. ( Noticing your shirt )

[@BobaFattttttt]

goat guns aren't durable I bought one and it was broken upon shipping then they gave me another and it broke because I reloaded it (the goat gun I had was an AK so idk if its just an AK problem)

[@mark63424able]

The software failure of the Patriot Missile system is infamous in computer science and was taught as a case study in my Dependable Systems module for my degree. For those interested it was caused by a floating point error. Basically the software calculated the current time as (cpu_clock * 0.1), unfortunately 0.1 is a recurring number in base 2 (0.000110011001100...) and the targeting computer used a 24-bit register so there was an error of 9.5e-8 seconds. This error went unnoticed during the testing phase because the system was only active for a few hours at a time so the error had not compounded enough to affect performance. However in the field, after 100 hours of run time this error added up to 0.34s. A scud can travel roughly 500m in 0.34s. Every programmer naturally encounters this type of error at some point in their career, its a shame that in this case there were such deadly consequences.

[@snapdragon6601]

That was a great explanation. I remember hearing about it when it was revealed to the public as the failure behind missing the Scud missiles. I just never really understood the mechanism behind it. Thanks. 👍

[@origintrackz5235]

Refreshing, a comment actually worth reading lol.

[@michaelimbesi2314]

Wow, thanks for the info! I had learned about this in an engineering case study, but I think they just referred to it as an error with the clock. It’s amazing how such small things you’d never thing about can cause major errors. We’re not used to thinking about 0.1 as a repeating decimal because it isn’t in the base-10 system that we use. But computers use base-2.

[@firstnamerequiredlastnameo3473]

Interesting.

[@kizmo2317]

This is fascinating, as my son is taking Controls right now as his first class in pursuit of his Masters in Computer Engineering. Many of the examples he's given me as an explanation of the class involves missile guidance.

[@killer3000ad]

The software glitch that allowed the SCUD to get through and hit Dhahran was due to the system being on over 100 hours and this led to the internal clock drifting by 1/3 of a second which was enough to cause the Patriot interceptor to miss by 600 metres. The designers had never anticipated that the system would ever be kept on continuously over such a long period. Until a software update was later released, the stopgap solution was to regularly reboot the Patriot system. Ironically the Israelis had identified the glitch two weeks prior and informed the Americans and delivered a fix the day before the Dhahran attack.

[@flyinace54]

When I was in college one of my comp sci professors loved to tell us this story, the clock drift was due to a rounding error because of what the programmers of the system used to represent the clock. Was really sobering to learn how something that isn't something you would think about as a programmer can have such a massive impact when the software is used real world.

[@nataris3524]

Nope. The point is that the missle warhead does not have sufficient frag damage to destroy target. It hits, it intercepts, but has not destroy target. Moreworse the same for NASAMS. It just useless.

[@kellymoses8566]

@@nataris3524 That is completely untrue.

[@nemiw4429]

Yea sure, thats the lie that has been fed. And you eat it up real good njom njom. They have explenations for anything

[@ludaMerlin69]

Pfft, on for 4 days? Who could EVER have expected that, on a system integrated into 24/7 defence networks? So unexpected!

[@toopozno]

Chris, i am from Ukraine. Somehow youtube suggested your vids back in March. Since then your vids are a kind of delight in this chaos of trying to continue my civil life, mental preparation for war and future mobilisation. Thank you)

[@henryrollins9177]

Are you a nazzi too?

[@xygrek]

@@henryrollins9177 Гена, не вийобуйся! ))))))

[@gabrielrognon6238]

keep strong, I hope this whole hell get over soon. Ukrain didn't deserved this situation. Support from France

[@camaradacomissario9641]

@@henryrollins9177 he must be busy commemorating the "Day of the dead ones" and some kind of satanistic ritual, while he raises his arm with a tattoo of Black Sun and claims that "he is just a heathen".

[@henryrollins9177]

@@camaradacomissario9641 Yep! I'm sure he is a Bandera worshipper....

[@BFB_tg]

A few days ago working at late shift we heard the Shahed drones, jeez it's indeed a damn flying scooter warhead. Not sure if it got an impact or was shot down but the cannon-based AA systems like Biryuza and Gepard do help a lot. Maybe someday the C-RAMs make their way to protect the powerplants at close range, which could be really a massive help. I just wish none of you folks experience the long unexpected blackouts as we do. And thanks to all the Americans supporting our fight for freedom!

[@kylep007]

I certainly hope after a Russian defeat Ukraine can join NATO. As an American I can say your country has earned NATO membership more than any other. I feel like Ukraine's resistance has done more to cripple Moscow than decades of Washington's foreign policy.

[@PRshik]

Mykola perfectly licked the ass of the star-striped owner

[@firstnamerequiredlastnameo3473]

So very sad what is happening. War is such a waste of humanity. Strangers are shooting other strangers whom they have never met. In peace times they might have been friends, even business partners. Many generations will never exist because their ancestors are being killed today.

[@kfekadu55]

@@kylep007 on a more realistic scenario a negotiated ceasefire will end the conflict this is the U.S military opinion not mine the sooner a serious effort is made towards it the better for everyone. NATO membership is off limits due to them being technically at war like the Koreans.

[@kfekadu55]

@@firstnamerequiredlastnameo3473 I know it’s one of the many bad things about the world we live in right there with disease/illness extreme poverty the real enemies of humanity, unfortunately we cannot get together and minimize them unless something drastic forces us.

[@vengeancewillbemine3440]

No other channel makes such entertaining sponsorship advertisements, I love watching your videos for the sponsors as well as the great insights on a average infantryman perspective.

[@jamesgunnyreed]

I got to see Patriots take out a few SCUDs in 2003 in the Invasion.. We were just south of An Nasiriya and SCUDS were being launched over us and into Kuwait. The Patriot Battery was somewhere south of us, possibly along the Kuwait Iraq Border. SCUDs would fly overhead and just as they would get south of us a Patriot would intercept it and blow it out of the sky... It was pretty badass.... I never saw one miss a SCUD in those couple weeks. Of course a SCUD is ancient tech compared to whats out there now.

[@Pelleisraelsson]

It makes sense when hitting a missile! Defending unit's/battalion's/city's against missiles makes senes, using an expensive missile system against a cheap(Russian/Iranian) drone, don't make sense. The automatic rada firing system Gepard/Shilka/ is economical sustainable. Spending missils on throw away drones, don't make senes. As Task and purpose(See their Library) describe, the phalanx gun is cheap and works against drones, when the larger weapon systems is deployed(see missiles) pleas use whatever weapon system to defend civilian life.

[@Evan-iq8hd]

@@Pelleisraelsson Yeah but one problem. Raytheon doesn't make as much money from cheaper and more effective systems. And since they own the politicians, expensive equipment it will be.

[@zedeyejoe]

Strange as it was estimated that no Patriots hit any SCUDS, a target it was not designed to engage. It did manage to hit planes, friendly ones!

[@carsonm7292]

@@Evan-iq8hd This conflict has been, among less delightful things, a fascinating showcase about how AAA does, in fact, remain a useful battlefield asset as the missile age enters the new drone age. The Army will figure this out for themselves. The Navy has known it the whole time. But I fear you to be correct; the politicians who approve funds for this sort of overseas aid will never learn, as the arms industry has them purchased.

[@omarb8655]

First Russia doesn't use SCUDs, the are what like from the 1940s and very slow, plus Iraq only had like 100 of them. Russia is not Iraq and has 400,000+ just from Lancet 3 cheap drone model and millions of missiles. It's worthless against Russia as it only have 43 Miles range and for many other reasons. first, Russia has electronic warfare that make radars and defense system detect 100 or 200 false targets and engage with them. i have seen videos from Ukraine where 50 defense missiles go to the air and explode with no targets. Second, Russia S-300 old missile from the 70s that they modified to hit grounds target fly at 9,000+ mph, they have 200,000+ of them and each can do such great damage that takes an entire mall. They can use 1000 of these and Patriot will be out of missiles. Third, cheap drones. Fourth, Russian fighters can detect it from 800+ km and destroy it, they don't have to enter it's 70km/43miles range. Fifth, Russia Kaliber missiles fly lower then 50 meters, it can fly as low as 4.5 meter, and Patriot systems can defend targets at only higher than 50 meters. Then speed, Russia S-200 from the 50s goes 17,000+ kmph .. basically it's a waste of money and time against Russia. I guess after this will be THAAD and then the US has no defenses. Good luck.

[@ericbergfield6451]

I'm an American born in Saudi Arabia - I grew up in Dhahran. ...Saddam Hussein intended to aim his SCUD missiles [which are extremely inaccurate] at a military base very close to Dhahran; Saddam missed & blew up a small hill. ...The US military swooped in within an hour to make sure it was both not a SCUD with "radiation or chemicals" - as our town of Dhahran was literally just a half mile away. We call it "Scud Hill," & after the US military grabbed what they needed for tests. ...My neighbor, recorded the landing of that SCUD missile, as he bravely stood on his roof - the night light up like it was daytime. ...Again this was 1991, & I was 6yrs old.

[@stoegerstewie8351]

I was 11 in Abu Dhabi, not American then. I recall black clouds of smoke, and oil on my nearby beach, seagulls covered in oil and nobody ate fish for a couple of years. We stocked tons of dry food and blocked all A/C outlets fearing gas attacks.

[@Ninjersey1]

Thanks for that story

[@ericbergfield6451]

@@stoegerstewie8351 ...Oh Yeah, the skies were dark when the oil fields were on fire. We covered our A/C vents with cloth, but it was still nasty. ...I remember wearing gas masks to 1st & 2nd grade; not to mention the air raid drills as a 6yo kiddo!

[@SSHADOWA]

King Abdulaziz Airbase

[@badfoody]

Saddam was a menace But i still feel that he could have been removed diplomatically

[@miduv82]

There's standard training and there's war time training. The Ukrainians seem very smart and can pick stuff up which like the new howitzers we sent them.

[@morlov4076]

howitzers are basically barrel with wheels. There is little to no training

[@mbogucki1]

@@morlov4076 Not really. German Panzerhaubitze 2000 isn't just a barrel with wheels.

[@JohnDoe-vy5hh]

We need to send them Abrams. They should have UA tank crews sent to Poland to train on the 250 Abrams they just bought.. Or fly them to US to train on Abrams here..

[@braveheart4603]

NATO personnel will surely operate them, they are extremely complex systems even for nato experts with years of training. It's not a reflection of Ukrainian ability, I don't doubt that at all but it's just not possible for anybody to do that safely unless they have been training in secret prior to this conflict.

[@arinthel]

Or, in reality, the more sophisticated equipment is operated by "contractors".

[@Gr13fM4ch1n3]

I work for a company that manufactures electronic parts for Raytheon and it's really fun seeing my work being put to good use.

[@miriamweller812]

US companies always loved to support Nazis, Hitler was also very happy to get all the stuff from US companies for his Blitzrkrieg, wouldn't have been possible without them.

[@yeablahawesome4921]

Ayo can you get me in

[@Skinflaps_Meatslapper]

All that work just to destroy all of someone else's work You'd think that eventually one side would just say "hey we fired a missile at you" and the other side would say "hey we intercepted it" in order to save both sides a lot of money.

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

@@Skinflaps_Meatslapper russia is russia and putin is tsar of russia and the tsar is a little whiny manlet

[@dovid916]

@@Skinflaps_Meatslapper both sides with a d10 and a telephone lmao "I rolled a 7, that's a hit." "No! I rolled a 4 so it's intercepted!"

[@J.Allen_]

From your friendly USAF engineer > I'm very glad you also added the info on Patriot system issues and possibly hyped marketing to the data here. Very valuable to have the entire picture and we really need to acknowledge that getting the real-deal info on these systems is very difficult due to data security classification (True capabilities and limitations). I appreciate your efforts on this one and many others Chris.

[@arturoBbrito]

This reminds me of the Spanish civil war. A test bed for new tactics and strategies by both German and Soviet. Ukraine is becoming a test area of technology testing.

[@bee5440]

Hopefully we don't get a much larger conflict afterwards

[@newagain9964]

@@bee5440 why not? That would mean More money and power for the social and economic elites.

[@tribblier]

Does it? The patriot missile isn't new, both sides are fighting with outdating equipment and don't have modern foreign volunteer forces, it seems pretty damn different to the SCW.

[@randomdude2832]

@@newagain9964 not really, it would mean the elites have to live in bunkers, I doubt they see that as an improvement.

[@Evan-iq8hd]

@@randomdude2832 no they wont. They'll just take their families to some quiet island that no one cares about until the dust settles.

[@Aegelis]

Saving lives appears a lot more complicated and expensive than removing lives, but in the end, the lives that are saved are simply priceless.

[@mcmarkmarkson7115]

Or it kills even more people because even more complex and devastating system have to be used to get through defenses. All I see is an escalation of more devastating weapon systems.

[@hectoraccented5312]

To destroy is always cheaper than to create/build. Sad sad fact of life

[@bkane573]

The best way to save lives is to kill the bad men. If we’d removed the communist threat in 1945, billions, trillions would have been saved.

[@bobdob6612]

lol.. they're just political pawns to anyone who front loaded weapons manufacture stocks. Political and financial gain, they don't care about Ukraine. Neither do I tbh.. just wish they'd fix the road down the street instead of send this crap to perpetuate another useless drawn out profitable war. Why not give em all the left over vietnam and desert storm stuff they equip the US military with and give their soldiers proper gear.

[@Spaced92]

Cost efficiency is a tricky concept in war, when you turn everything into a war of attrition you repeat the mistakes of World War 1. Zero morale, no end in sight, if everything is just a numbers game in the end then victory for Russia would be inevitable. Show your citizens and soldiers you care, give the military peace of mind, warm clothing, let them rest when they need to, these are things even ancient generals understood. Ultimately the worth of every bullet or missile a nation sends at an enemy isn't measured in what destruction it brings, but how low it brings their willingness to continue fighting.

[@brotatochimp]

Hey it protected my units in C&C Generals. So, I think it's good enough for Ukraine.

[@Coins.com.]

them Gatling's was awesome to and yea man what a game on that style they don't make them like they used to

[@Shinywhite]

Are you me?

[@hifinsword]

The PATRIOT is a phased array setup. Phased arrays are amazing systems that can do much more than previous systems. But the radar detection is always software driven. Modern tech can do amazing things, but with incredible support also required. That is the Achilles heel of any modern hitech weapons system.

[@texasthib2029]

You’re telling me I’m in patriot right now I’m the guy who fixes the radar and launchers and shit when they go down and god damn do they love to pop faults and go down

[@hifinsword]

@@texasthib2029 I used to operate a high-tech military system also. It took the military and the manufacturer about 10 years for the reliability to meet the expectations when it first came out. In those 10 years a lot of techs learned to fix it and maintain it. The manufacturer also had to sort out and incorporate the lessons learned from the operators and maintainers. It still operates to this day, but the support is not something you can export and have working within weeks or even months, when you sell or give the system to another ally. It has to be learned and incorporated into the new country acquiring it over a long period of time.

[@akthethotboi9711]

My dad watched it take out a missile while he was in the airport in Saudi Arabia the patriot saved his life

[@beansingtonthe3rd319]

5:22 i love how the guy on the left just skips over to the system. no stress at all

[@EminenceGrease]

I’ve been wondering something. The US has taken the Phalanx CIWS and adapted it for use on land. Is there a plan to take something like the Rolling Airframe Missile and also adapt it for mobile land use? Having those fired at kamikaze drones and sundry enemy UAVs may be cheaper than multi-million dollar Patriots.

[@mirv695]

The US does currently have a system to deploy Sidewinder Missile launchers on Hummveys.

[@jakemonkey7]

The US has those, they were commonly used in Iraq and Afghanistan to defend FOBs from indirect fires

[@malo1996]

Problem ist range, how far can a CIWS engage? At a few km/ml you need quite a Lot of launchers.

[@heyho4770]

Ukraine Operates relatively modern Gepard SPAA donated from Germany. They usually deal with drones or cruise missiles for the cheap price of a few rounds of 35mm ammo

[@raptors222222]

The US does have a truck mount for a phalanx, but cannon CIWS are notoriously overrated

[@AshenVictor]

There's a good chance at least some of the Ukrainian soldiers that have been rotated for training in western countries like the UK have been training on Patriot.

[@fugana5073]

Nevermind the fact that patriot training takes place only in USA, but allright

[@scottdude814]

@@fugana5073 Where did you get this fact.

[@Dianne-cd1qm]

They have also with F-16 planes.

[@arturobianco848]

@@fugana5073 Even if thats the case st least some Ukrainian also recieved F-16 training in the USA in the last 8 moths so why not on patriot systems to. Or do you think they tell you everything?

[@herzog1857]

​@@arturobianco848 He is right. Patriot system training facilities are located only in the USA. I know that German soldiers come to the US for training on the patriot system.

[@emanuelsalgado2942]

This channel quickly became one of my favorites. Keep it up

[@robertg8565]

I was a toddler in Israel during the Gulf War, we were getting scudded and the Israeli government reported the timing issue to the US. The Iraqis modified the Scuds to get more range out of them but fortunately many of them missed. The new variants are reportedly really good compared to the PAC-1. Hopefully Ukraine gets the PAC-3 GEM. I doubt Ukraine will ever get a THAAD, I think South Korea was the last country to get one. All these systems are extremely expensive, however there should be plenty of existing stockpiles of patriot missiles that have already been paid for. Regardless, it’ll probably take at least 3-4 months before it’s on the ground.

[@QodsMohajer]

“The Soviet Union was busy snatching up every German engineer they could” laughing in Wernher von Braun

[@avroarchitect1793]

It was a 3 way race to see who could grab the most. The USSR, the UK and the US were all snatching up technicians, scientists, engineers, doctors and more. All trying to get a lead over the other 2.

[@miriamweller812]

US fascism is the master of projection, nothing new.

[@josephkush1032]

@jamesdeer3129 shhh we dont talk about that

[@RebbeccaGuaylover]

@james Deer the u.s did the same thing but we aren't threatening to use Nukes on people. I'm sure your about to do a whataboutism about Japan but keep in mind the Japanese empire killed over 12 million civilians in the 1900s and not the 1600s. And on purpose too, not by accident disease.

[@dopecat15]

I thought only the U.S. did that.

[@scottv.4140]

I was in the Gulf war and I actually saw scuds get intercepted by something, I assumed it was the patriots. So they did intercept some of the missiles, not sure of how many. I will never forget our platoon sgt. standing outside the tent saying hey guys come look at this and then boom intercept, it was actually pretty funny. We all ran to get our nbc gear on because we didn't know if they were using chemical weapons or not at the time.

[@OSTemli]

Victim of ur own countries propoganda

[@lovableulloriaqtomeetyu]

Next war they will fight with what 🤣🤣

[@TheSilverwolf1001]

Comrade we should just go to war with the US and end the propoganda! We agree yes?

[@christiangauthier727]

Oh man! Having worked 2 years behind a garbage truck as one of my functions, I burst out laughing when you pointed out how freaking similar the model you showed looks to the Patriot System! I was an Auxiliary Blue Collar worker, constantly moving from one affectation to another, usually being paired up with a professional. I had over 160 jobs I could do! But about 25-30% of the time, I was behind a garbage truck. 16 years later, I just have to think about the back of a garbage truck to have the very unique smell come back, I can slightly smell it! But it's okay, you quickly get used to it; it's not that bad! Whenever I pass near a few days old fully filled Trash Container in the summer at 35-40°C+ (95-104°F +), it brings back memories! And by the way, I'm from Montreal, Quebec, Canada... So... while it's absolutely true that we have extremely cold winter temperatures (usually up to -30 to -40°C, but sometimes, rarely, it gets even Colder! That's -22 to -40°F for you Americans!), it's a MYTH that we only have a cold climate! We have a Climate of Extremes, with the summer being around 30-35°C+ (86-95°F+ usually, often going in the higher 30's, and more & more regularly going up to 40-42°C (104-107.6°F) at least a few times per summer! Yeah, there are many places in the US where they get 100 F temps, but what kills is having to live in a climate that has such a huge range of extremes! A range of at least 80 degrees C (-40 to +40) or 144°F (-40 to 104°F !!!)! It's hard on the body, and expensive for the wardrobe!

[@thomp7714]

Also from Montreal, what part of the city did you work in?

[@kristin2129]

Im from Canada as well and I have been to Montreal Quebec in the summer time and I can totally agree with you its gets freaking hot there

[@catman19]

Everything in montreal stinks

[@HubertofLiege]

Montana

[@cavaleermountaineer3839]

That's crazy. I didn't know it got that hot up there. Then it snows in September. Pretty good climate for growing Ginseng. Hmmm

[@ns219000]

My dad was out at Ft. Bliss, when they were working on getting Patriot in service (he was involved with Hawk and Redeye training, but got a good look at it). First thing he said, when he heard about Patriots being sent over, was literally, "They must have been training some Ukrainians out at Bliss."

[@DavidCrooks-cn6qg]

I was at ft bliss with 2/43 ada

[@utube11505]

One of the benefits to being in a limited war like this, is to find out how well, or not well, your systems work against your opponent. Do it.

[@RK-zf1jm]

Kind of the only benefit not sure all the dead civlians and soldiers would agree though

[@KD--nz4ck]

Spoken like a true military industrial complex shill. You fucking pathetic clown

[@SelfProclaimedEmperor]

@@RK-zf1jm the dead civilians isn't our fault, Putin started the war

[@utube11505]

@@RK-zf1jm PATRIOT MISSILES, IF THEY WORK, INTERCEPT INCOMING MISSILES THAT MIGHT KILL CIVILIANS, EINSTEIN.

[@KnowerofThings]

@@utube11505 the only reason for war is ukraine got conned to believe they were strong enough to go head to head with russia if they knew the nato weapons were all garbage, ukraine hav would reconsider going to join nato.

[@stevenbragg85]

Man, you’re cranking out some good videos these days

[@toomanyironsinthefire]

You're content is consistently improving. Keep it up.

[@markmitchell457]

But the writer is often comical in his/her mistakes.

[@kylemcqueen9465]

So as I Listen to what the training Times are for each of these pieces of equipment anyone ever notice if you track back to the Start of the current phase it is pretty well as if they have been training the Ukrainian's on it since the beginning And are just introducing the equipment as the Ukrainians become proficient enough to use it effectivly

[@kylemcqueen9465]

On a side note I had not got to the 4 minute mark before I made this comment wait to go cappy as always

[@specialnewb9821]

It may also be the case that the US "overtrains." In that the standard course length is x, but to make an impact on the battlefield worth the cost of the system takes x-20%

[@theTeknoViking]

This is probably true!

[@Luckyduck010]

Yay- another KZbin person who has finally started to scratch the surface on what our Air Defenders do day in and day out. It's a lot more mind numbing than you think, but also, when your system being powered on legitimately changes the process of your enemy's thinking, it makes you walk a little taller.

[@AN-fl1yt]

This dude kicks ass. Greetings from Ukraine!

[@samantha-jane4424]

I'm just here to say to you Chris, that your antics while advertising goat guns made me laugh. The scented candles thing is tragically true, we certainly do this. But please, feel free to show your creativity. Love it! 😂

[@dylanc8188]

The best thing I heard today was “when your on patrol and you need to confused the fuck out of the enemy just start laying down fire with your goat gun” 😭😭😭

[@braveheart4603]

Raytheon thanks you for your service lol.

[@TheSaintBigFoot]

Ever watch American Gods?

[@havoc3mr]

I am not sure you are actually an "average" infantryman, but I really enjoy your videos, well thought out and understandable:)

[@idkwhattomakemyname101]

As a vet with an organ transplant I am quite literally part of your spare parts Army

[@eliasmai6170]

No weapons cannot be expected to work 100% all of the time.

[@homiefo56]

I love how Chris always dogs himself, dude has more weapons skills than most people.

[@mbogucki1]

Self-deprecation can be charming if done right.

[@OldMusicFan83]

That’s because he’s a Veteran

[@RDG99]

Patriot Missiles have always saved my base from Russian Kirov Airships for more than 20 years. I'm sure it will help them too.

[@dracoboomin6511]

these systems are useless as displayed by houthis. Just marketing junk

[@Jess-kg8ge]

Rocketeer is the best

[@josephkush1032]

Poor chap

[@dopecat15]

These _"Russian Kirov Airships",_ are they in the room with you right now?

[@bigmock141]

Guardian GI and aegis cruiser not that crap

[@sanzreub]

Oh my god that goat gun plug is the funniest thing I've seen in a while!!! LOL 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@timothymanes5048]

Thanks Chris! Merry Christmas!

[@totensiebush]

2:10 I can't imagine they had a SCUD with a 3000m (approx 2 mile) range...

[@MlTGLIED]

...yeah 😅 it should be like 300km

[@ahmedmoussa79]

I don't think it's enough but I think this is part of a sequence of military support that is about to unfold. The Patriot is just symbolic.

[@jamesturner9651]

Its like HIMARS. At first it was no. Then it was 1, then 4. now we're up to two dozen or so? I can't imagine we'll stop at one.

[@cnaccio]

It def won’t stop if it’s successful; this is more like a test run. If Ukraine is able to be effective with the system, we’ll send more. It’s the smart thing to do, and also the right thing to do.

[@ai-with-steve]

I agree it's just a symbolic display for the US to tell Putin we'll keep arming them if you don't stop.

[@yellowtunes2756]

@@jamesturner9651 USA only makes 250 patriot missiles per year. They can't even supply Saudi Arabia with them, so Saudis had to buy missiles from neighbours. Sending hundreds of patriots to compensate 250 of more capable c300 is cool and all, but ammo is an issue

[@tribblier]

@@yellowtunes2756 the Saudis need a constant supply, it would be unwise to pull missiles out of storage for them. The Ukrainians require a large amount now, the ammo dumps are more likely to be opened up for them

[@FLORATOSOTHON]

Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy and Peaceful New Year 2023.

[@anonmouse15]

A free and independent Ukraine for 2023.

[@gail_blue]

What's with all the touch controls? "Sorry Sir, we couldn't shoot the missile down..." "Why not, soldier?!" "I had sweaty fingers, Sir!"

[@markmitchell457]

"making a U turn in mid air and striking the ground directly in front of itself" Every missile striking the ground hits the ground directly in front of itself. 🤣

[@firstnamerequiredlastnameo3473]

Explained on page 5,280 of the missile owner's manual. In the section titled Actions Not Covered by Warranty.

[@youregonnaattackthem]

Great continued clarification on acceptable targets

[@ThroneOfBhaal]

Well now we know. It shot down russias 'hypersonic' missiles without any problems. As well as Iskander, drones and Kalibr.

[@ssnydess6787]

I observed numerous successful interceptions outside out of Riyad after being on the border for several months flying the Apache with the 82nd at Jubail a few days after the invasion. I didn't observe any misses.

[@joshuaespinoza8325]

5:22 bro was legit skipping around a missile defense system.

[@TysoniusRex]

Thanks Cappy, lots of food for thought. It seems Patriot should be able to provide some degree of defense against incoming threats without being connected to a larger system. However, it would probably be more effective if it did receive signals from a whole network of stations, perhaps enabling operators to better prioritize targets which might also be taken out by systems operating independently of Patriot. So, yes, it will help Ukraine, but it remains to be seen if they will be able to make the optimal use of its capabilities. HIMARS seems to have proven very successful, and perhaps Patriot will as well.

[@trahtibidahtibidah]

you not yet adviser of US defense ministry?

[@JeremyHolovacs]

Wow that's totally different now from when I was a 24T/ 14E PATRIOT Missile Systems Operator/ Mechanic. Nice to see how far they've come. AIT times are increased too, looks like... I remember my training taking just under a year.

[@SkepticalChris]

Update, patriot has not just been deployed around Kyiv, but have successfully managed to shoot down Russian hypersonic missiles

[@KayJay940]

Im no military expert but seems to me the idea of any defences are to have it before all your stuff is blown up already. The only thing they protecting is the own shipments at this point.

[@mitchellcarter2581]

Ukraine needs to protect infrastructure. Straight up. Btw. Ukraine rocks.

[@jerimassi1889]

Thank you Cappy, for another great presentation of information. I think that the US so far keeps giving Ukraine almost but not quite enough to decisively win, but definitely the gift of one Patriot system for Kyiv, even though it is purely defensive, is sending a message to Russia that we will keep sustaining Ukraine right at survival level so that Russia can never win. I know there are many factors to this war, and if the US or NATO oversteps, we could ignite Armageddon. However, my heart goes out to the Ukrainians, who can never get just quite enough to use their amazing ingenuity and courage at full bore to quickly defeat the Russians. So I am hopeful that the one Patriot system, even with the limits it must have, will be of some help, and it presents an "open door" warning to Russia that at any time we can keep handing Ukraine more of these "purely defensive" systems. Giving the Patriot system to Kyiv is as much a psychological strike at Russia as it is strategic.

[@ericrodriguez7423]

Does anyone remember the cereal that was a sponsor? I think it was around 2020, 2021

[@georgemetcalf8763]

The protein cereal? Magic Spoon.

[@Taskandpurpose]

good ol' magic spoon ya?

[@357SWAGNUM_MAGA_X]

That over priced keto crap

[@ericrodriguez7423]

Nevermind, I’m gonna need like 2 discount codes or something.

[@SIEGFRIED349]

The missiles will come in handy if Iran decides to supply the Russians with their ballistic missiles.

[@frankrenda2519]

how could russia ask iran for missiles when russia is the king of missile production what a load of bs

[@АндрейМиколушко]

@@frankrenda2519 Just like the drones requested. If Russia is able to produce its own missiles in sufficient quantities, then russian bots would not whine on various information channels about the transfer of another package of weapons to Ukraine.

[@vladich_v]

At the moment, Russia has launched about 5,000 missiles of various types over Ukraine, and their stocks are at a critical level. Therefore, they have to buy shahids and ballistic missiles from Iran, since its industry, with the help of sanctions, cannot produce more than 40 missiles per month. greetings from Ukraine

[@Dev1l19q]

@@vladich_v don't believe everything you hear

[@start2957]

@@АндрейМиколушко those Iranian drones are much different so at the start they just bought them now they made a deal and will start producing them in russia aswell

[@CKPill]

Your comments about how they were already training on the system made alot of sense. If they could not get anyone qualified, hey the systems were never intended to be there. But now that we have these troops ready to go hey what do you know. Thanks Cappy great Vid. Slava Ukraini

[@josephtilitsky1268]

Where is that graphic showing the differences between Aegis, THAAD, and Patriot from?

[@mixmasta]

I think a better question is what variant is Ukraine getting? Probably older PAC-2 equipment if I had to guess.

[@specialingu]

probably a mix, but yeah its a good way to use up less favourable missiles

[@zadovrus1624]

Mix, there are both PAC-2 (mostly) and PAC-3 missiles, however ir's unclear how radar network will work

[@pkernoob786]

I'm sure their are an infinite amount of geopolitical reasons. As well as Iran potentially getting their hands on the tech, but Israel's Iron Dome system would seemingly work great in Ukraine for a large portion of these attacks.

[@alexbattin6482]

For some attacks yes. It depends on what the missile is - many of the Russian missiles, even though they are sometimes repurposed SAMs, go faster than the operating specs of Iron Dome. For those types of strikes you would need something like the Arrow series of missiles from IAI; I'm not sure if they export those either.

[@RealComp5]

The Iron Dome is not one thing or weapon; it's a series of different short and medium range defense systems integrated together. The area they protect is referred to as the Iron Dome.

[@bobdob6612]

Yea and we wouldn't have to keep sending them money if they just had a defense system. Buy Northrop Grumman stocks tho 😂.

[@yellowtunes2756]

Iron dome can protect small area from small amount of shells. Per year iron dome intercepts 10-20 times less shells than Russia fires per day. And it can't stop cruise missiles

[@abelincoln8885]

But Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 .. and Ukraine has always had the engineers to reverse engineer the S300 and make their own version of the S400 ... make their own version of any of the inherited Soviet systems. What the hell have the Ukrainians been doing ... since they cave into pressure from the US & Russian in 1994 ... to give up its tactical nukes, destroy its strategic bomers and ballistic missiles ... and allow Russia to retain its naval base in Crimea. Russia would have never attacked Ukraine ... if it still had its tactical nukes from the fall of the soviet union, which they could still use. The Budapest Memorandum in 1994 was only to benefit the US ... & ... Russia. The US only had to worry about Russia having nukes ... and ... Russia maintained its Naval base in Ukraine who no longer has nukes to defend its borders .... from Russia. WTF? No. Getting the best air defense system is not enough. The US & Uk ... need to give Ukraine BACK tactical nukes and ballistic missiles that they stupidly forced Ukraine to give up in 1994. But they will never do this because they are full of moronic LIBERALS .. who happily trade with dictatorships for cheap oil and labor .. and don't want to "escalate" and escalation by dictators who enjoy bully moronic liberal governments.

[@Shaktar]

Nothing more American than "I decorated my house with Guns and finally my dad is proud of me"

[@jongutierrez9116]

5:45 “Just a bit outside.”

[@wind_runner6836]

They would use NASAMS for drones. They use the AIM 120-D I believe and well there are a lot of those and its cheap. The patriots would probably be used for specific incoming cruise missiles. Great vid guys and also doesn't matter what Putin says he wouldn't want to fight the US he just couldn't hope to win that battle.

[@seth3525]

Right, I didn't read ur comment, but I said the same thing. It's gonna be used for bigger missiles

[@rajaydon1893]

the nasam haven't done much so far

[@Whiskey11Gaming]

NASAMS can use the entire AIM120 family. I don't highly the US is sending AIM120D missiles over with them. C5 variants at the newest, B models most likely. NASAMS can also fire AIM9 sidewinders so they probably received some of the older AIM-9M variants for use in NASAMS. Gepard and CRAM would be better for counter drone operations since bullets is generally cheaper than missiles and quicker to be replaced.

[@morlov4076]

@@rajaydon1893 it's constantly crashing into random Kiev cityblocks, so it's already something

[@Srfingfreak]

One thing to keep in mind is that you don't have to COVER your area of defense, you just have to position yourself along the flight path of the weapon to be intercepted. Granted, some ICBMs can change path, but Russia doesn't have many of those.

[@miriamweller812]

Now you just need the hundreds of systems to do that.

[@OK-1K1]

Russian cruise missiles can be programmed with different waypoints for each mission. Iskander missiles reportedly have a random final approach trajectory. Worst case Russians will ripple fire drones/decoys first and send the more expensive assets after they clean the path. And that's provided SAMs are crewed by experienced US personnel. With UA crews running them it's gonna be a shit show as you can't expect someone to crash course weapon system of such complexity.

[@Goldn177]

@@OK-1K1 wasn’t the maneuverability of Russian cruise missiles debunked?

[@OK-1K1]

@@Goldn177 it’s not a straight flight vehicle. There could be issues with accuracy of inertial guidance system, but that probably also depends on exact mod used.

[@dbc603]

Not true with PATRIOT. It is a point defense system, and cannot intercept a ballistic missile throughout its trajectory.

[@gandalfgreyhame3425]

The other problem which you did not talk about, but which was covered by Binkov's Battleground, is that the Patriots are not designed to be easily mobile (you did say that it took one hour to set the system up - Binkov's pointed out that Russian SAM batteries take much less time to set up and move around) and the Russians do have the anti-radar missiles and other pinpoint missiles that can knock out the radars and the missile batteries, and are likely to target these Patriot batteries as high value, high publicity targets.

[@brostoevsky22]

Russia will carefully follow their movements and destroy them piecemeal. Capturing one would be a good PR victory for them.

[@АндрейМиколушко]

I never cease to wonder why, despite the presence of a terrible superweapon in the hands of the Russians, Ukraine has been holding on for 10 months of a full-scale war. All you need to know is that... On March 27, 2022, an Х-29 guided missile hit a street toilet in a private yard in the city of Gulyaipole (Zaporizhia Region) 🤣

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

​@@brostoevsky22Capturing? They're gonna rush Kiev again?

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Russians have anti-radar missiles, but their SEAD doctrine is ass. The United States wrote the book on suppression of enemy air defenses. Russia read the summary on wikipedia.

[@gandalfgreyhame3425]

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD Well, I looked it up and it turns out that the Patriot radar system, the AN/MPQ-53 radar, is a low probability of intercept type of radar. So, it remains to be seen how effective the Russian anti-radar missiles will be against this sytem.

[@chellisdodge]

LOL at 10:36 that is a AN/TSC-185 STT (Satalite Tactical Terminal) has nothing to do with the Patriot.

[@phurious_george]

@8:54 that is not Patriot, that's an SM-3 shipborne missile

[@Bacontruffle]

I think you're right on the theory of Ukrainians having been secretly trained on these systems. Worst case scenario, they never get to use that knowledge, and the world is none the wiser. Best case scenario, the US gets to send it to save civilian lives, and making Russia look even worse than it already does. I think a lot of the actions Putin has been taking have escalated the war massively, without us even really seeing it yet. Some of the powergrid being hit in Ukraine have caused power outages in neighbouring countries too, and these sorts of things are very very scary. Russia is already affecting so many countries outside of Ukraine negatively and it's only getting worse, but the way to retaliate against these threats take time to come up with and materialize. I think Putin doesn't realize it yet, but his new general has put Russia down a path where countries are now going to try and do everything they can to help Ukraine in more covert ways previously not explored, and I don't entirely rule out actual boots on the ground disguised as Ukrainian soldiers in the future, either.

[@atlantasailor1]

Russia’s goal is to knock out 100% of Kyiv’s power and cause a surrender. They may well achieve this. The idea of using million dollar defense missiles against Iranian drones that cost only a few thousand dollars won’t work. I have friends in Kyiv that have been without heat or electricity for days. If Putin can establish this as normal, people will eventually leave. Despite all the positive western press, Putin has the advantage. The truth is UA is much more important to RU than the US. The ? Is if RU wins, will RU stop There? It’s not likely. He wants his legacy as the Russian leader who brought back mother Russia to its imperial position. This is either an epic battle or surrender…

[@Bacontruffle]

@@atlantasailor1 I strongly doubt it. You are right in saying that using patriot missiles against drones is silly, but luckily that's not all the Ukrainians have. It's not really mentioned as much because, well... 60's systems aren't as flashy as top-of-the-line defence systems, but Gepard systems have been getting incredibly good results shooting down the Iranian drones (close to 100% effectiveness) and more and more of these systems are being sent in. Yes, getting the Swiss to allow the ammo for these things to be sent more to the Ukrainians is a bit of a drag, but something that can be fixed with time. Even if 100% of the power grid is destroyed, there are temporary solutions such as diesel generators etc. Leningrad survived 3 years of being besieged without surrendering in much, much worse conditions than Russia can force the Ukrainians into Coming from a legacy of a similar situation, the siege of Leiden in the 80 years war, I grew up learning just how much a determined people can put up with when they know their enemy won't stop until they are dead. Putin has made the same mistake that Hitler did in the 40's: he's fully demonized the Ukrainian people and committed atrocity after atrocity. While some people were on Russia's side at the start, now there is no way the Ukrainian people as a whole could surrender to Putin short of actual extermination.

[@Bacontruffle]

@@atlantasailor1 I would also like to stress that while perhaps Ukraine isn't as important to the US as it is to the delusional long table man, it's vitally important to Europe. If Ukraine were to look like it was actually falling, with the inevitable destruction of most of the Russian Armed Forces in the process, you can be certain at the very least Poland isn't going to just sit by and watch the best opportunity in history of getting some sweet sweet revenge in for the last couple hundreds of years and millions of dead Poles at the hands of the Russians I know a good few Poles personally and I'm convinced there is not a single hatred in the world that burns brighter than Polish hatred of Russians

[@ronzwarycz6081]

@@Bacontruffle Except maybe Ukranian hatred of Russians now. My grandfather came to the US when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union and said to never trust a Russian.

[@Bacontruffle]

@@ronzwarycz6081 You might very well be right, and they have absolutely every reason to be right now For all the "russophobia" that the Russian propaganda likes to talk about, they are singularly responsible for the sheer hatred most of Eastern europe has for Russia

[@gordonhorn8867]

I glad someone besides me brought up secret training. I've wondering about that in reference to tanks and airplanes.

[@Nighta90]

Training F16(?) or other planes since August. Or at least that info became public in August

[@Cesspit7]

probably just a way for the americans to gather more data from a different combat enviroment whilst at the same time making a gesture.

[@Splarkszter]

absolutely yes. the only treat for america as a whole is either south america or rockets.

[@justsayen2024]

Absolutely agree Vietnam jungle, Desert Storm (well that's suggested)and now back to the European style landscape all great data

[@heartlessangel1460]

YUP!!! Weapons testing without American Soldiers put at risk! Win-win!

[@Skarry]

Not "just". It's a bonus, sure. It's a bonus to also have someone else fight Russia for them. It's also to assist in the defense of a democracy and potentially long-term close ally in the area.

[@davidty2006]

At this rate ukraine is a live fire testing ground.

[@anselmdanker9519]

Thank you for a great presentation.

[@Shalmaneser1]

I think the cost asymmetry should be an issue with rules in place. Those rules be classified as they would be exploitable. It's a shame we're not ready to deploy small component swarms as integrated countermeasures to defend major weapons systems.

[@ArchesBro]

If I recall the patriot missile systems in Saudi Arabia were pointed north towards Iran, but the Houtthis attacked from the south, so of course the systems didn't intercept them

[@jacksparrow-ie8uq]

Man, how is it a modern Sam pointed at one direction, it’s 350 degree surveillance. It’s just fails to detect small and low flying drones

[@mansari7310]

no the plan is to send this useless so called air defense with embarrassing repatriation and claim all s300 score as yours to fool people that we fix our crappy air defense 🤣🤣

[@mansari7310]

but if usa be a good lad maybe iran give them bavar 373 or older one khordad3 that shot down your drones

[@mansari7310]

coping mechanism is one of strength of americans. your mental gymnast is stunning to watch the length you go to avoid the truth

[@johnfilmore7638]

Holy Hell! Kongsberg does the process control automation for Patriot, they also make the ship navigation & dynamic positioning control on the ship I work on.

[@bitsbobs8613]

The s300 is a better air defence so patriot not gonna make a difference, now I’ll watch and see what the experts say

[@starwars1357]

bro you're just an anon in yt comment section

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

S-300 supplies are finite and the Patriot links to NASAMS.

[@rppavlek]

I usually skip over the commercial part, but this was lol, amazing

[@adambald600]

“My inner sociopath” 😂😂 best ad content this week. Lol merry Xmas dude.

[@MrHav1k]

I don't see it as much of an escalation given the platform's dubious track record of success, but if it can stop a couple missiles here or there, then I'd say it's worth it. Intercepting some targets and saving some lives is better than doing nothing.

[@henryrollins9177]

So burning 4 million each shot, wih 60-70% effectivity, all paid by the US taxpayers to shoot down a 30k drone is a good deal for the US people? What's up for the US in this conflict? Covering Biden's son problems and deals in Ukraine?

[@tedteddington6223]

Once deployed it becomes a target. Will there be recriminations when it gets blown up?

[@John-hu9qg]

It will be very impressive if it lasts a week against Russian ballistic missiles. Or drone swarms.

[@qwertyqwerty-zi6dr]

@@John-hu9qg as well himars, right? :))

[@avroarchitect1793]

Build more?

[@John-hu9qg]

@@qwertyqwerty-zi6dr No, although they have lost a few also, HIMAR is a different animal it's far more mobile, for shoot and scoot tactics, a set up Patriot system is not, and it failed badly in Iraq and Saudi Arabia against unsophisticated old Iranian missiles cobbled together in a desert in Yemen.

[@qwertyqwerty-zi6dr]

@@John-hu9qg wanna bet they will not be able to find it and destroy? Russians are to stupid

[@ph4tcat]

Not gonna lie. I want a Goat Gun now. Those look sick!

[@jackwalker9492]

Great things for the kids to practice on LOL.

[@SaintFacetious]

Very nice escalation in your vlog game with actually going on-site to the facility to talk to the Raytheon guy.

[@josephkush1032]

This will definitely be cost effective especially against drones that cost almost five thousand dollars

[@geezjunior]

I just know the lobbyist are so happy, testing out their toys in this proxy war

[@tomstarcevich1147]

Exactly there making all the money 💰 and us taxpayers foot the bill unbelievable 😳

[@Kapito13]

Yeah, the US really needs a proxy war to test the capabilities of Stinger, Javelins, Humvees, Patriots and M777. You conspiracy theorists are laughable

[@Kapito13]

@@tomstarcevich1147 US taxpayers footed the bill when the systems were bought by the US military. The vast majority of US aid to Ukraine is useless to the US

[@davidty2006]

Buisness is boomin for the arms industry. As it should be

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

​@@tomstarcevich1147costs you less than a cup of coffee per day, and it probably doesn't cost you anything because you most likely complain about taxes while living like a bum

[@IDrop76]

Follow the money

[@BlackjackCZ]

100% agree with you.

[@gregs7562]

Unfortunately during the Gulf War in 1991 the Patriot crews also took down 2 RAF Tornados returning from strike missions. Very Unfortunate.

[@camaradacomissario9641]

Did pilots survive?

[@dopecat15]

@@camaradacomissario9641 I hope not.

[@anthonyperkins8961]

Would adding mobile phalanx systems be more cost effective for drone defense?

[@Im-just-Stardust]

Remember everyone. Voting for trump = voting for pootin

[@thr0waway]

So vote Trump, got it.

[@paddington1670]

@@thr0waway so many bankruptcies, scamming contractors, empty dwellings in his buildings, bad persona, scummy business ethics not unlike others obviously, SO many lies upon lies like a typical russian pundit, how anyone would vote for him going forward is unbelievable.

[@rogerout8875]

@@thr0waway you need to be a citizen to do that

[@BlackjackCZ]

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Fact: Russia land grabbed under Bush Jr., Obama and Biden but not under Trump.

[@dopecat15]

Going to be a pretty sight when a Russian Lancet (loitering munition) pays a visit to Ukraine's shiny new air defense system.

[@hurk7984]

wont do no good, Slava Russia

[@oceanlancer]

wake up you sh1t the bed

[@hurk7984]

@@oceanlancer You'll see when we launch our RS-28 Sarmat to the Devil itself, US.

[@hatac]

Accurate tracking of a ballistic missile out to 180 km also means you can plot the impact point to with in kilometer or so and give 20 to 40 seconds warning. Long enough to take cover. The fatalities tend to be people caught out in the open or in cars or upper floors of buildings.

[@MrOtistetrax]

Dude. The scripts you write for your ads the fucking best. I'd watch a supercut of just the sponsored segments from this channel.

[@genghisgalahad8465]

Yes. It can only help effectively at scale.

[@jloiben12]

3:10 This is exactly why we should have started training in March (which is entirely consistent with what I was saying at the time)…

[@rpgmarshal]

What is funny is that the presumably second army in the world is getting nervous over 1 air-defense system!

[@dopecat15]

No one is nervous. A Russian Lancet will pay a visit to mister Patriot air defense system.

[@blankmoment2]

if I'm not mistaking at 8:53 the footage is showing RIM-174 Standard ERAM not a patriot missile due to the booster and the launcher is mk41VLS I believe

[@NoobOfShame]

That would be correct. You can see on the missile it says “MK104 mod 1” which is the motor for the “standard missile family”. Don’t think the patriots user those

[@mansari7310]

@@NoobOfShame plan is to send this useless so-called air defense with embarrassing repatriation and claim all s300 scores as yours to fool people that we fix our crappy air defense 🤣 is good as before like al-asad base or saudi oil reserve protection which blown your bubble with pinpointed accuracy and ability to avoid detection of iran missile

[@shches8480]

The sponsorship on goat guns was maybe the most American thing I've ever seen advertised lol.

[@stuarthamilton5112]

You are damn straight the PAC-2 can make a difference. This thing is deadly. 1: It operates a little bit like the AIM-120 AMRAAM in that the missile generates a track file from the scanning radar to guide it to the target, instead of relying on fire control radar. The ground based radar maintains two way communication with the missile, such that both the missile's passive sensors and the ground based radar work together to find the target. This denies the target aircraft the normal warning from high frequency, high amplitude FCR usually required for radar guided munitions. Only at the last possible moment does the ground based radar switch to FCR mode to guide the missile in terminal phase to impact. The AMRAAM does something similar, except instead of using a radar positioned at the launch point (the aircraft it was launched from) it uses its own on-board radar. For the AMRAAM this is called TWS or Track While Scan. The PAC-2 does this, except it relies on the radar on the ground rather than a radar on the missile. 2: It has a home-on-jam feature. The PAC-2 is able to detect when it is being jammed, and when the missile tells the ground based radar that it is being jammed, that radar avoids entering FCR mode, switching the missile to home-on-jam mode. In home-on-jam the missile effectively becomes an anti-radiation missile. It seeks out the jamming signal and uses it for guidance. I cannot explain to you the amount of processing power necessary to isolate a jamming signal, but it is a lot. The fast Fourier transforms necessary to maintain a signal lock and what might seem to be random noise is not something the Russian's can duplicate, and it allows the PAC-2 missile to use the electronic warfare capabilities of the target against it. The Patriot missile is a highly advanced, complicated, nigh impossible to evade GBAD system that no one else on the planet has. It will require US contractors to operate.

[@leexingha]

ur g0dIy-hailed PAC-2 is useless against hypersonic. its very hard to detect - its target. ballistic can reach mach 10+ but its following a trajectory thus predictable. meanwhile, hypersonic can just glide on a hard-to-detect atmospheric level (the one just before the outer space) until it only gives the defender a very small window to react. once its on terminal stage, its technically impossible. mid-course interception is ur current greatest bet but damn it stays on that atmospheric thing that i am talking about

[@stuarthamilton5112]

@@leexingha The United States is calling the hypersonic bluff. If they have them, let them use them. We will not be deterred. Many people are unable to think critically about hypersonic weapons. Let me tell you why hypersonic glide vehicles are bullshit: It is impossible to change course in atmosphere without losing speed. A hypersonic glide vehicle becomes plain old supersonic at its first turn, plain and simple. To maintain speed it needs propulsion and neither China nor Russia have the chops for SCRAM jets. So…. They are bluffing, and we are going to call it and watch them crumble. Pull up a chair and enjoy the show.

[@jimf1964]

Doesn’t matter how effective it is. How much Raytheon will make does.

[@seekrengr751]

Lockheed Martin is the maker of PAC-3 missiles, not Raytheon, and Boeing makes MMW seekers for the PAC-3 missiles. Raytheon only makes the launchers with the AN/MPQ-53 fire-control radars.

[@jimf1964]

@@seekrengr751 Who the hell cares? I was making a point that the only people benefiting from this, and many other wars, are these companies…and the politicians who seem to purposely start them. Because of lobbying from said companies? Now I’m not stupid, and am glad as hell these companies exist on our side, cuz if they didn’t, we’d be among the third world countries, but do so many people have to suffer, and do we have to pay so many taxes?

[@seekrengr751]

@@jimf1964 You probably do not realize that weapons procurement is a tiny part of the federal budget, less than 5%. The world is a dangerous place, and the only way to ensure a nation continues to exist is through strength, of that nation or its allies. Wars do not get started by "lobbying", contrary to teenage thinking. Defense contractors like Raytheon sell arms equally during war or peace - in fact, weapons now being contracted for the defense of Ukraine from US defense contractors are not even small potatoes. The big bucks (hundreds of billions) are in multi-decade programs like F35 (Lockheed Martin), strategic weapons (BM subs, Aircraft carriers) and strategic missile defense. Tactical weapons arsenals are built up during peacetime so they are ready for war, and no wars since Vietnam have caused actual wartime production uppers (with a couple exceptions like MRAP vehicles for the middle eastern wars).

[@jimf1964]

@@seekrengr751 well, "child like" thinking doesn’t understand that Biden just signed a law where these companies can charge the government whatever they want, with no over sight, thanks to the planned war. Perhaps it isn’t a product of lobbying, but it sure as hell wasn’t an accident. If you tried to listen to something other than gov propaganda, you might notice that. As for your idiotic condescending explanation of the world, I suggest you actually read what I said before you start preaching from your soap box.

[@seekrengr751]

@@jimf1964 I read what you wrote. It's shallow, and nothing you have said since makes it any bit deeper. I have an experience base in this world, you clearly don't or you wouldn't be writing such simpleminded tripe. There's an entire branch of the DoD funded for oversight of contractors, it's called the DCAA. I guess the latest bill will do away with that agency? Doubt it.