Can Professors Tell ChatGPT Papers From Student Papers?

[@emilycarruthers1675]

I'm a doctoral student who's just started doing essay marking, and I can tell you, EVERYONE in the faculty is on-edge about AI. There's no one method of picking it out, it's basically what the professors in the video said, you go with your gut and look for things like a lack of direct quotations, lack of in-text citations, unnecessary wordiness and nonspecificity - AI text often uses broad descriptive terms rather than the subject-specific jargon (as in the "sophisticated mathematical techniques" example). The whole thing raises real questions about whether research essays, those types of essays where you basically summarise the existing literature, will even be a thing in the future - I foresee a lot more project-based tasks and oral presentations with spontaneous Q&A taking the place of essays in the future. But perhaps even more than plagiarism concerns, there's also a lot of concern about using AI for marking. As a casual tutor most of my salary comes from marking papers, if AI takes that responsibility over then okay, I have more time for research, awesome, but also my claimable hours are suddenly drastically reduced. Yes we'd still have to 'supervise' the AI and do quality assurance, but we'd be getting paid for 2 hours rather than 20. I foresee many more white-knuckled faculty meetings about how to integrate AI into the teaching and learning sphere to come...

[@Parrot5884]

Also, essays that you have to write as a test on-site will become more common. Instead of being assigned an essay where you know the topic and have to hand it in, you have to sit down for a timed test where you don't know what topic is going to be thrown at you. It's already part of many exams for many subjects already, and it'll just have to become more common.

[@emilwandel]

what is the goal for the test? to test if they can write without ai makes no sense.@@Parrot5884

[@JamesJoyce12]

I mark as a TA and you ignore the obvious - feed the essay prompt into an AI yourself and if an essay resembles what the AI spit out then you can subject the essay and the writer to additional scrutiny.

[@jlandi0409]

No, you just supervise 10x the number of students. Same number of hours, significantly more things to do. Increased productivity is not always the easiest to handle, so you'd likely also get a raise

[@DELottProductions]

Once AI can accurately mark work, we won't really have a need for teachers apart from supervision. Currently, half of my classes are taught via KZbin tutorials and the other half are taught through websites like Education Perfect. While the teachers still assign homework and run assessments, as well as choose which tutorials, apart from that they are just supervising us. I have no doubt that AI could take the place of my teachers in a teaching capacity if given a course structure. The only problem would be actually keeping students on task. I see university as less and less valuable when I can get the same education from KZbin, education websites, and AI, at almost no cost. I am a highschooler so it probably varies at university, but from a highschool perspective, teachers are becoming obsolete.

[@FelipeV3444]

The problem with this "experiment", is that they know there's one essay written by ChatGPT, and one written by a student beforehand, so they just have to tell them apart. They wouldn't be able to do the same thing in a natural setting, where they have to grade papers from multiple students with no previous knowledge.

[@justdaniel8239]

Yeah a better experiment would be them not knowing if there even is a one written by chat gpt and give multiple rounds of say 3 essays each and it might be 0/3 are ai or even 3/3

[@ChaoticKrisis]

Five essays with one being AI would be a better test imo

[@chudchadanstud]

They need multiple lectures with some being given papers that have all been written by humans and some having papers that have all been written by AI.

[@thebot64838]

@@ChaoticKrisis The funniest one would be if they gave essays that were all AI and asked them to guess which one is written by a human.

[@ChrisDeJack]

Every student should watch this before submitting something directly from chatGPT.

[@jaffacake8381]

Fun video and nice idea. Surprised at the low views, hopefully it blows up!

[@Fuscao_Preto]

If you submit stuff directly from AI text you are being lazy², generate it, read it and always tweak it.

[@metaparalysis3441]

I made a joke SRP proposal with the intention of using the word delve as much as possible, I still tweaked it.

[@BritishEngineer]

or compromise. Type it out yourself, simply using the AI as the information.

[@bellam9331]

Rare I ever watch these sorts of videos with low view counts but the thumbnail looked good and this was amazing! Super well edited and fun 😁

[@ayaanabbasi528]

so happy this came up in my feed! need this video to blow up

[@cosmicthespider7974]

I use ChatGPT frequently, as a tool not a replacement. I like to get bullet points on what I should research for a particular assignment. And then I go find sources for those bullets and research the topic myself.

[@jademehta9168]

Chat love afar with Ava goes crazy

[@jademehta9168]

I am thoroughly entertained and informed

[@benjaminw9704]

Signed in just to like this video, y'all are putting out good content! I also really love how realistic the professors are about the use of ChatGPT, as they say its here to stay and students can learn a great deal from it

[@kuckkuckrotmg]

As a student myself i try to make my papers look as if they are written by chatgpt, while it's not

[@connorjohnmark]

I've graded papers before. Trust me when I say that you're not... unless you're trying to go off topic. lol

[@kuckkuckrotmg]

@@connorjohnmark strategies my man..... strategies

[@Skyscraper125]

All of this chatgpt writing papers is going to make people have to return to the oral tradition to pass literature & english composition classes. That or there's gotta be a lot more in person writing of papers.

[@austinhernandez2716]

Chatgpt is good for probably an outline. Make sure not to put stuff that you weren't taught in class that would make it obvious.

[@mallninja9805]

That's a fascinating take. My classes contained very little information, I had to rely _heavily_ on KZbin creators in order to fill in the missing gaps. All of my papers included information not taught in class.

[@Quantum-Bullet]

what if you read articles about it outside of school?

[@morganqorishchi8181]

"I don't even think an incoming student would make that mistake" I beg to differ. I got bleeding duodenal ulcers during finals and lost 63% of the blood in my body. I then wrote a paper while suffering from that level of blood loss. Turns out that blood loss REALLY destroys your grammar. I skipped multiple grades and aced 400 level writing classes by the time I was 18. Blood loss made me type the sentence, "It's like you couldn't've or wouldn't've not done that if it was you, y'know?" and think it was appropriate to turn in on a paper.

[@tcos918]

You can ask ChatGPT to make your essay sound like a high school or freshmen college student wrote it.

[@mallninja9805]

I think the professors are caught in between students who just want to escape 'education' & get into their actual lives with as little debt as possible & administrations who just want to rake in as many student-loan bucks as possible. Neither student, admin, nor student loan financier are particularly concerned with 'learning'

[@AcuteChronic]

AI _might_ be good at general writing, but often with a certain sanitized result; it lacks emotion. However, with technical writing AI gets it wrong--gloriously wrong--yet plows on with with unearned confidence. I asked AI to explain the number of combinations possible on Rubik cube. It got the *right answer* (because it saw the correct number repeated 1000s of time in its training). But when it attempted to walk thru the math to support than answer, it was pathetically wrong and without any self-awareness (as one would expect) of its errors. As my friend pointed out, "it's a Large Language Model, not a *Math* Model". I've seen this pattern repeated dozens of times: well written reports, well-constructed sentences, full of factual nonsense.

[@RM-xr8lq]

tldr... no they can't 😂

[@pawelpow]

I mean most of them did, but more importantly AI detectors have gotten better now. If you use AI you pretty much have to reword it using your own words or else it will be flagged.

[@emilwandel]

To be honest, they pick up if the students stroke the ego of the professors by using the jargon they teach in their class.

[@connorjohnmark]

I wouldn't say that appropriately using relevant technical terms is "stroking the ego" of the instructor.

[@鍾嘉欣-o8n]

haha love this video!

[@danielnigel6920]

Do professors care any more? Do they need the extra work to check? For what? For peanuts? And evaluation and autoevaluation nonsence over them?

[@lost_not_wondering]

Anyone notice which professor didn't get it correct. The so called English teacher lol!

[@coreylapinas1000]

In either case a woke NPC is writing it.

[@chudchadanstud]

They all failed massively. Humans are repetitive, AI isn't. Do they not speak to people?

[@3setsofdrums]

normal people can tell the difference between ai and human writing though ehhhh

[@peterbizik224]

Typical - some wrong , some correct.

[@telanos2492]

The 2 professors who don't specialise in English: Yep I'm pretty confident I know which one is Chat GPT. [Gets it right]. 1 unfortunate "professor" of English: That one is Chat GPT! [Immediately starts backpedaling when it turns out he's wrong]. 3 is not a meaningful sample size, but this is a rather unfortunate data point in the current discussion climate around DEI hires.

[@lily08799]

As a scientific student, I am so similar to the engineering professor, where I can only understand the engineering ariticles ( As english my second language.)

[@JH-ji6cj]

The lack of grammatical attention to speech coming from professors is what was much more disconcerting for me.

[@amandacarvalho3527]

Honestly, I resent Chat GPT. Because of it, my college is making us write essays on paper during class and it sucks. I'd like it much more if we could just write patiently on a computer in the comfort of our homes but the paranoia of AI ruined that.

[@Heilzmaker]

agreed. since ai my essay wtiting only regressed because we didnt get to do essays. so the entire class was just yapp

[@noddle045]

A lot of papers are like 30% chatgpt and 70% human. When students use ChatGPT to write a paper, that doesn’t mean that they literally only use ChatGPT to write that paper.

[@AnEnderNon]

yh ive done this for all my assignments this year and gotten A :)

[@queentulip]

Although I use ChatGPT to do my assignments, I DON'T ask ChatGPT to do the overall assignment. I use ChatGPT for word ideas, if I don't know the one word for "very angry," I'll ask ChatGPT what good words that mean "very angry" that I can use for my assignments. Sometimes, I also use ChatGPT for revising ideas if my sentence don't sound good. But all the ideas for the assignment comes from me, not from ChatGPT. I've done this through high school for book analysis and graduated successfully.

[@Amitseruta]

I love how whoever wrote these chat got prompts, clearly wasn’t trying. I’ve used chatgpt on a history essay once, I got 98% for it, simple take notes online on a big google doc, have gpt4 paste in your notes, paste in the marking criteria and the guidelines of what you want it to do, set the word count, and you have your essay, now read through it and change as much you can to not get picked up by ai detectors

[@cheeseball5030]

Not really something to brag about 😬

[@reidmarshall1368]

​@@cheeseball5030there is no shame in cheating dude whatever gets you ahead

[@Marshark50]

@@cheeseball5030 Cope

[@mujtabaalam5907]

​@@cheeseball5030What's wrong about bragging about making an excellent essay?

[@cheeseball5030]

@@mujtabaalam5907 "making"

[@alank2023]

Wow this video's sick😎

[@BritishEngineer]

clown grammar

[@MockinFrog]

@@BritishEngineervideo’s is “video is.” Nothing wrong there

[@鍾嘉欣-o8n]

4:00 LMFAO

[@BZFFirst]

How was the prompt generated? Did someone knowledgeable about how to interact with ChatGPT create it? Did anyone review the text to correct clear errors? Was the prompt optimized to get better results? Was the prompt divided into paragraphs for clarity? Simply stating "ChatGPT" vs. human cannot show full results if the prompts and responses weren't tested. For example, you can ask ChatGPT to include some grammar errors to trick a professor. Otherwise this Video has no validity in showing good results.

[@鍾嘉欣-o8n]

7:02 😭😭😭 I need him to be my teacher

[@BritishEngineer]

study advanced math, engineering, physics and get on his undergrad mechanical engineering course.