Can Sweetgum be used to make DIY Tamiflu?

[@FeralForaging]

We recorded a whole podcast episode that goes way in depth on this subject including the history of use of Sweetgum! Check it out here -> herbanmythsandmedicine.com/2021/01/can-sweetgum-be-used-to-make-diy-tamiflu/

[@theherbalashpot4194]

as a soon to be naturopathic medical doctor and clinical herbslist, love your perspective. my granny used this among other botanicals to keep us healthy. sweet gum was one of them. however; I love hearing people give information to have a person to do their own research and think for themselves. ❤️

[@FeralForaging]

That's what we're all about. :) Glad you enjoyed the video.

[@Erenm]

That's beautiful! Which parts of the tree did she use?

[@karenmunch4316]

Congratulations and best of luck. 🎉

[@jsprunger6246]

The seed pods of the sweetgum looks like a flu virus

[@bradlafferty]

Really appreciate you and your partner’s research and superbly presented findings. You have consistently produced quality content. I am so pleased to have found your channel. Looking forward to more. Thanks.

[@FeralForaging]

Glad you like them! We're going to make a separate channel soon dedicated to topics like this. :D

[@bradlafferty]

Great! Looking forward to it!

[@WoodlandCravings]

Wow! I wish all herbal medicine education was like this. Stellar work! Keep it up!

[@FeralForaging]

Thank you so much! I would love to see more like this too! Here's to hoping that it will inspire others to educate in this way. :D

[@jett888]

One of my favorite Books of all time is Dr John Christophers- a big yellow book that he wrote- he is a Master Herbalist. In 2003' i had a stage IV cancer- i walked out my doctors - did my searching for information- applied it- and was cancer free in less than 3 months. WE ALL have the ability to Heal! I love nature and all that has been provided for us. Use it!! I have yet to return to any doctor for my healing needs. ( acute/emergency Humpty Dumpty type of services are the only type of allopathic treatment we need- in my opinion)

[@mj.l]

lol

[@FeralForaging]

We really hope you find this information helpful. Please help us to share it so we can bring the myth-busting to more people! And don't forget to read the very in-depth companion article! feralforaging.com/herban-myths-debunked-sweetgum-shikimic-acid-and-tamiflu/ 😀

[@mamamacgyver]

Wow! Great explanation. Thank you for putting SO much time effort and research into your videos. I’m binge watching them.

[@FeralForaging]

You are very welcome! I'm glad you liked it. :)

[@tminefski]

Thanks to both of you for sharing your knowledge and passion with the world.

[@shaunahill8401]

I can't wait for part 2! I had just collected the fruit from my Sweetgum tree and made tincture, but want to learn more before I decide whether or not use it. Thank you for your thoughtful and thorough explanation of the science behind how it might work.

[@FeralForaging]

Absolutely, that was pretty much the position I was in which eventually led me to making this video! :D Glad you enjoyed it.

[@dianaflower733]

Splendid video!

[@FeralForaging]

Diana Flower thanks!

[@ashleeaustin358]

Wow so the dreaded spikey gumballs might have other uses besides reminding us to where shoes! Lol 😆 in all seriousness though, I love gumballs!

[@FeralForaging]

Unfortunately, I don't think they do! The video explains it all.

[@ashleeaustin358]

@@FeralForaging yeah, haha I made this post before I watched the video! Lol 😆

[@venidamcdaniel1913]

Very informative. Great job.

[@FeralForaging]

Glad it was helpful!

[@thedirtprincess3293]

Where is part 2?

[@faithfarmforever4795]

you all never made video #2 - so thanks for 1/2 of the info 😶

[@BeeGeey]

I work in pharma, and used to work for the company that makes tamiflu. I love this very simple and easy to understand breakdown of why sweetgum can not be used as a diy tamiflu. This was very good.

[@charlessherlock3204]

What about alagic acid?

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[@robogecko8928]

very informative

[@FeralForaging]

Thanks!

[@luisgallegos1265]

Major problem with your analysis. Petri dish experiments are never what actually occurs in our body when we take a substance. Hence, this is not debunked.

[@FeralForaging]

Luis, you are absolutely correct! What you bring up is the distinction between in vitro and in vivo analysis which is indeed important! Could you be more specific about what "this" is when you say "this" is not debunked? As we mention in the video-there is further exploration required that we didn't cover completely in this Part 1 video. However it is thoroughly covered in the article and podcast episode!

[@loriekaczmarek9788]

Same chemical, same reaction

[@BomarBuilds]

Is it possible that the body changes the sweet gum tincture in a way that makes it work line Tama flu? Could it be that it's different and works different for the same results.

[@woodworkingandepoxy643]

I absolutely hated them things growing up. They really put a hurting on your feet

[@kr4dh4x0r]

I just found you guys the other day, you have an awesome channel and I hope you continue to make more videos.

[@michelesmith7508]

What's the chemical compound difference for this and star anise, which is the main ingredient in tamiflu. Both of these contain shikimic acid. Is the tamiflu compound including all the ingredients that is used to create it? Does it include the capsule compounds in it, also? Have you added the alcohol with this and then looked at the chemical compound?

[@FeralForaging]

Hi Michele, these are good questions. Sweetgum contains shikimic acid this is the same as star anise as you referenced, however, at the end you state "which is the main ingredient in tamiflu" and this is where the misconception comes from. Tamiflu is the name for the chemical oseltamivir phosphate. It is the only component of Tamiflu (outside of inactive components like the capsule as you stated). I don't have the tools to see the results of mixing alcohol and shikimic acid, but I would guess the result would be mainly alcohol and shikimic acid. As we demonstrated in the video the process of synthesizing oseltamivir phosphate from the starting material is very involved with many steps. If you're interested in learning more about this, our article goes into even more depth than the video (and discussed true traditional use experiments that I conducted). feralforaging.com/herban-myths-debunked-sweetgum-shikimic-acid-and-tamiflu/ Also, I made this short video which I think explains the shikimic acid - oseltamivir relationship a little clearer -> kzbin.infoErbQkFNsj1Y?feature=share Let me know if that clears it up!

[@annemaried1660]

May I ask if this tree grows in upstate NY?

[@FeralForaging]

I believe that is a bit too far north for its native range, however I believe that sometimes they are planted ornamentally.

[@feralgentleman7164]

Plenty of them growing wild down in the Hudson Valley

[@larryharrison2766]

How about hbc46

[@lisaslayton3880]

Thanyou for all of your videos. I have a plant all over my land, dark green with little purple flowers on stalks. I believe it is called elephant foot. Is it edible, medical, or poison

[@tmemyselfandi9849]

Interesting that most of these healthy alternatives grow openenly and merrior the actual virus or even property of certain forms. I always wondered if these are connected somehow. Even a cell can be similar to the same shapes found in nature. I wonder if a particular fungus could be beneficial when using this plant. Grown on its tips as covid or other similar viruses have shapes to them. I'm not sure, but it still is very close to the shape of this and other viruses.

[@tmemyselfandi9849]

Even shapes of food or texture like a nut shaped as a brain have benefits for the brain or other examples found to take on the shape of even a bee hive taking the shape of science breakdowns of various properties and functions. Nature over nurturing all makes it very clear when placed together. Even colors or extracted oils and vitamins and so on. Endless possibilities gathered into a not so complex idea but very exciting to discover more once the mind is aloud to be

[@jeffreywhittington8447]

This is using only the theory that…. Form means function….. there has to be a chemical examination to the testing

[@FeralForaging]

To some degree, yes, I can agree with that. That being said form to function is a pretty solid predictor of drug action as this article investigates (towardsdatascience.com/the-shape-of-chemical-functions-d1e1568d020). I would turn the question to ask, why should we do a functional examination of shikimic acid, a very common chemical in science? Why would drug companies spend thousands of dollars synthesizing shikimic acid into oseltamivir if they could just extract and sell the shikimic acid in its initial scaffolding. There is no indication that it would really do anything and the traditional uses of Sweetgum don't support the shikimic acid theory either. Drug discovery companies often use traditional uses as a beginning motivation for further chemical studies. If one is interested in the actual traditionally supported uses of Sweetgum (there are many!) we have a whole section devoted to it in our article. (feralforaging.com/herban-myths-debunked-sweetgum-shikimic-acid-and-tamiflu/) One more note that I'll add is that according to recent studies, there is a strong potential of shikimic acid as an external antimicrobial against staph infections. If one was interested in the use of shikimic acid, I would pursue that line of interest myself! Hope this adds more context.

[@danno5805]

Funny how anything good for you gets " debunked "....

[@FeralForaging]

Oh, don't get me wrong. Sweetgum is definitely still good for you and traditionally supported! This video was on the very specific shikimic acid claim.

[@danno5805]

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[@outbackatl]

Sponsored by the makers of tamiflu.

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[@Realatmx]

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[@Lifeguard102]

Awful video. No answer after 7 min of forking around by two kids. Still , No answer. Waste of time video.

[@FeralForaging]

The traditional uses of Sweetgum include: inner bark, resin, and leaves. This is supported by both the herbalist Tommie Bass and the native people who worked with Sweetgum for generations. It's a wonderful tree with lots of uses. Hope this helps! Wanting to make a full video on this soon, but am a bit behind on that.

[@mj.l]

Awful comment. No point after two lines of forking around by some miserable geriatric. Still , No point. Waste of time comment.

[@jett888]

@@FeralForaging but on what is it used? For what symptoms?

[@CindySmathers]

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[@FeralForaging]

Thanks for sharing!