Can't Work on Your Own Car? Worst Law Ever! Ep. 5.379

[@roberteltze4850]

I propose we use Jay Leno's house as the standard of what tools are normally found in a residence.

[@samsen201]

You have my vote for 2020, should you decide to run as President of USA.

[@macgyveratlarge2133]

Might as well get rid of all in-house mechanics, from trucking businesses to law enforcement!

[@smh2996]

“One has not only a legal, but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.” - Martin Luther King, Jr.

[@donstewart368]

I've got every tool just about made to work on cars and motorcycles. I've got 5 torque wrenches and 4 floor jacks. plus many specialty tools.

[@patriot-wf1er]

You people voted these politicians in deal with it....

[@bonbonpony]

No one votes them. Can you verify that they actually were voted? That it's actual people voting for them? I can't verify my own vote, so how can I be sure that the aren't ALL tampered with? :q But it doesn't matter anyway, because when you vote, you can only choose from the candidates that are on the list, and they're all the same in that regard.

[@inchranger]

sadly hard to argue against Facts

[@unlimited7776]

It's Commiefornia, what do you expect?

[@hanky640]

Does this only apply to US citizens? Those without the financial wherewithal, e.g. illegal aliens, tend to affect their own repairs. Is this law racist?

[@2004RADMAN]

Yes it is. Lawsuit time.

[@jimp6576]

Next new law, no cooking in your home.

[@edhenderson1655]

When did Sacramento County, California become the local H.O.A. for area homes, including homes where you also own the property?

[@spvillano]

Is a jack normally found inside of a house? What chemicals does one use to change a light bulb, which requires significant disassembly? Screw it, I'll just do what's worked for me, avoid California. Too expensive and invasive, nonsensical laws in some communities. And well, my house is notable for having all kinds of "odd" tools, which would decidedly make my home use of said tools unlawful.

[@Naris48]

My dad's brother Jack was often found inside a house ;) Also you are going to have to avoid a lot more communities in a lot of other (probably all) states as well

[@mikeg4163]

Metal lathe and Bridgeport milling machine are normal right?

[@acroduster]

4 axis 8 tool changer cnc mill and 6 tool carousel atc spindle encoded lathe in my Living room! this is absolute fascism! Im an aircraft mechanic federally certified, and do repairs on SCUBA regulators and rebreathers as well, so my home has a crap ton of tools that most people would never be able to identify. I realize its just to parasitically leech money from those that con do for themselves. but this is pure EVIL of left extremest crap thats destroying america!

[@irri3191]

Just let my girlfriend replace her starter which entailed dropping the drive shaft. I mentioned this because she had to do it in my garage. Since she does not have one. And her City won't let her do it on her driveway. Course we did exchange back massages. So I guess I win, 😊

[@boataxe4605]

What kind of car requires dropping the driveshaft to replace the starter? Let us know so we never buy one!

[@addiumuppicus5738]

@@boataxe4605 some front wheel drive cars require it . Actually it would be a drive axle not a drive shaft but that's cutting hairs .

[@boataxe4605]

@Bill Jonston Ralph Nader’s sentence in hell should be having to replace one every day.

[@aulii11]

Years ago we lived in a neighborhood where (we were unaware) NO vehicle maintenance was allowed where it could be observed from the street. Our neighbor called the police while I was in the process of replacing the brake pads on one of our cars on our driveway, but by the time the police arrived the job had been completed. I was issued a warning and they left. About a week or so later I called the police to report that the neighbor who had called them on me was performing maintenance on his car within view of the street. When they arrived they asked what the problem was, and I pointed out that he was washing his cars on his driveway. They seemed confused until I pointed out that he was performing vehicle maintenance. They issued him a warning and he never spoke to me again. Stupid laws.

[@Eternal_Tech]

Also, busybody neighbor. The busybody is one step below a Nazi.

[@edwardcnnell2853]

That offered you the great benefit of teaching your neighbor to mind their own business and the big plus of them not talking to you again. I had a boss fire me because the job required be to park on the grass. When I pulled back onto the rode the curb was so high it set off the motion detector in the spy camera. I hurried to catch up to the other 10 trucks in our group and he said I had "wound out the engine". He knew little about our job and the trucks all had RPM limiters to prevent over revving the engine. Well he fired me. So I kept checking the online court records and a year later he showed up. He got a ticket for speeding in a company vehicle (I recall it was outside our service area and during working hours). We are required to report traffic violations and I figured he had not. So I printed out the court record and mailed it to the regional VP. Two weeks later he was gone. Karma

[@brucedeville9053]

Time to move.

[@aulii11]

@@brucedeville9053 We did!

[@benwysocki6203]

Bad neighbor. Who needs to talk to him.

[@Danieldrylie]

Sounds like criminalizing poverty to me tbh. 90% of the repairs I've had to learn how to do myself were because I couldn't afford to take it to mechanic and couldn't afford to miss work.

[@DawnBriarDev]

This is one of the effects, yes. And reduced cost is the primary reason to do self repairs. The others being that you can verify the quality of the work, gain the knowledge to perform preventative diagnostics, etc. Drivers being self sufficient is safer, less polluting (because making a new car creates far more pollution than driving the old one) and also leads to drivers with a better understanding of how to drive safely and the limitations of their vehicles. I don't understand how this fear mongering works on people, convincing them it's safest to let some stranger at some place with a sign be responsible for everyone else's safety, without us having any way to actually verify if he knows more or performs more thorough work than any other random person. If people think that every certified mechanic knows what they're doing.. Ask them where they work. "Oh, you work in insurance.. So all your coworkers are rational, honest people who do legitimate work you'd trust your life with?" Of course, almost every person who isn't a liar has to answer "Hell no." I can either play the odds and hope I'm not the edge case who gets cheated for a high premium, or save money and be CERTAIN it was done right. The only question is whether I have the time, resources or desire to learn and implement what I've learned. Given those considerations all turn up true, it's a no brainer: DO IT YOURSELF.

[@ObscureStuff420]

If torque wrenches are outlawed then only outlaws will have torque wrenches

[@murraystewartj]

You'll have to pry my torque wrench from my cold dead hands.

[@terrygoyan]

Timeless Metal Classics Lol! Use a torque wrench go to jail.

[@chuckbrueck3125]

I don't think they'd be able to pry the wrench from your hand as pry bars would be illegal too.

[@edwardperdue8212]

My property my rules, I have almost every tool available for construction mechanic foundations and farming and guerilla warfare.

[@FastEddy1959]

“Common sense has become so rare that it could be classified as a super power.” - some tee shirt I saw years ago.

[@Digitalhunny]

Look if you're gonna come out here with great zingers like this, I've just _gotta_ see what you say in other sections around here! Thanks for the giggles.🤗🇨🇦

[@paullenarczyk6177]

I need that t-shirt. Great comment by the way.

[@who-gives-a-toss_Bear]

The common sense is often a disaster. We have a concertive government, the result of the common sense. It’s a DISASTER.

[@DawnBriarDev]

I already know I'm a superhero. Well, more likely a supervillain. Because common sense in today's world is offensive and even criminal, but no less super.

[@deormanrobey892]

Almost every blue collar guy I know has filter wrenches, torque wrenches, tire plug kits, etc.

[@inchranger]

You mean real Americans? I know hot women who wrench on their own shit !

[@JohnDoe-ck3pr]

It laughable.....I dont consider myself a professional yet have 100k in tools even full diagnostic equipment. They'd shit if they would have used my street as a model.

[@sweetwilliam49]

You don’t need to replace minor car parts, you need to replace minor politicians

[@citizenfriendly3845]

Wowo some minor politicians have very good laws there should be a Balance

[@lomgshorts3]

How about "all of them in power right now"?

[@citizenfriendly3845]

So tell me this why dis Mr. Trump signed Civil forfeiture. I think he was sorounded by nit so good people.

[@steelisthemeal]

True

[@sweetwilliam49]

@@citizenfriendly3845 Trump Signs New Law To Protect Innocent Small Business Owners From IRS Seizures For the first time in nearly 20 years, Congress has reined in civil forfeiture, which lets the federal government permanently confiscate property without ever filing criminal charges. Following unanimous approval by Congress, President Donald Trump last week signed the Taxpayer First Act (H.R. 3151), an overhaul of the Internal Revenue Service that includes the Clyde-Hirsch-Sowers RESPECT Act. Named after Institute for Justice clients Jeff Hirsch and Randy Sowers, two small-business owners who had their bank accounts raided by the IRS, the RESPECT Act curbs the IRS’s power to seize cash for “structuring” offenses.

[@robertschulke1596]

My residence has a TIG welder, gas axe, milling machine, metal lathe, air compressor, vacuum pump, cyclone separator, endoscope, IR camera, portable water pump, etc.

[@josephbrandsen9105]

So now I get to smuggle oil filter wrenches along with plastic straws into California.

[@boataxe4605]

Only Northern California, My cartel controls oil filter wrenches and plastic straws in Southern California, and if you move in on our turf we will go to war ( and kill many innocents in the crossfire).

[@ltraina3353]

Lol, as a bartender in California, I hate the straw law! Certain drinks NEED a straw: Bloody Mary, anything blended, ice tea, etc. you can still use them, but you have to request one. So it just forces bartenders to waste time making extra trips when someone asks for one! I’m assuming the other 57 counties (I think) don’t have a problem with people working on their cars! What’s up Sacramento county?

[@steelisthemeal]

@@boataxe4605 🤣😭

[@johnathanstephenson8107]

Lol sounds like the ATF laws around firearms.

[@1pyroace1]

Johnathan Stephenson shit lol u right

[@dansharrow6018]

Another reason not to move to California

[@buckcampbell3260]

Once I close the door to my garage, I’m pretty much going to do what I want in there.

[@rogerbec5766]

For now. Let's hope it stays that way.

[@bf945]

Agricultural? So farmers can't work on their farm equipment?

[@fredhoffman6658]

It's OK to poop in the streets though. Way to go CA.

[@judycorbridge6470]

Ha ha a ha a ha ha ha aaaaa

[@ericschrader4080]

As a retired mechanic and auto parts salesmen I know many people with automotive tools at their home. I still have all my tools and more since I quit working on car’s for a living 30 years ago. These stupid laws is why we left CA 2 years ago. Love living in a state and city where nobody bothers you.

[@chucktx5957]

This law is about control, not cars. Typical left coast ... or any other left state.

[@ron54911]

Keep voting democrat, That is what you get. LOL

[@NR-nf1il]

Common Sense is a flower that does not grow in everyone's Garden

[@Eternal_Tech]

_"The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government."_ - Publius Tacitus

[@richardshaw7673]

trying to turn the entire county into an HOA!

[@greentland]

Yep! And HOAs should be banned. I refuse to pay what amounts to another tax, to what amounts to a mini-government, for some overzealous jackass to tell me what I can and can't do with my home. I paid for the property, what I do with it (within reason of course) is not their business.

[@davidwarford3087]

@@greentland Home owners are the people that initially form HOAs though

[@greentland]

@@davidwarford3087 Maybe the first group do. In some cases, the builders form it. But either way, once one exists, they are (like herpes) nearly impossible to get rid of. In many cases, there is a note on the deed for each property or some other common concerns (like shared utilities) which make membership necessary in order to own the property. So the only way to avoid it, is to not buy the property. So maybe "illegal" is too strong of a word. Maybe the existence of an HOA should be "Conspicuously Advertised" on the front page of a property listing along with a detailed list of the fines and actions taken against residents. So that any potential buyer is made aware of the horse shit which may fly in their direction, before they look at the shiny granite countertops. I mean, if HOA activities are in the residents best interest, why not explicitly advertise them?

[@SETSfirearms]

Awe all the poor car guys are being treated like gun owners... welcome to club

[@hightttech]

I guarantee this law was written due to guys like my buddy who maintains a JUNKYARD in his front yard, takes up every parking spot on the street, and thoroughly frustrates his neighbors. Too bad the lawmakers are so stupid that they make a net that kills every fish in the ocean, vs crafting a net that singles out the prey fish.

[@sc3ku]

I agree with this sentiment. Where I live, the ordinance prohibits nonrunning vehicles stored outside of a carport/garage. Generally this isn’t enforced- I have a clearly in-progress project in my driveway and never bothered. However two others in the neighborhood got dinged- one has five half-parted out trucks in his yard and the other put up a out-of-code tarp/PVC pipe “shed” up and called it a carport. So “spirit of the law” here results in me being allowed to do major work yet keep the neighborhood from being a dump. However, California’s new law sounds much more restrictive to even basic work…

[@HollyAndMistletoe]

My teenage niece built an airplane in her driveway. In Sacramento county. A neighbor complained and told the officer "there's laws against working on vehicles in your yard." The officer told the neighbor, "really? I work on my car all the time. And that's a classic Piper Cub, not really a vehicle under California vehicle code. There's nothing I can cite her for."

[@ronfullerton3162]

A J-3! Now I am jealous. Maybe that was the neighbor's problem!

[@henryostman5740]

good Cop, but I'm sure there are some bad cop assholes who'll write the citation.

[@lisalutterbach6843]

Good job niece!

[@scottgillig908]

I always assumed that the car Police had red and blue lights on them. There's far too many variables in that law to do anything but tie up the court system. " John, you were found flushing your radiator on a sunny Sunday afternoon. How do you plead ? " John: " Insanity, your Honor. I had to have been insane to have moved here. "

[@debhalverson3956]

Scott , would McNaughton agree with your plea? (g)

[@jonsmith1259]

A person has a car with a leaking radiator, and it takes 1/2 gallon to top it off every 4 months. And, a leaking valve cover gasket which leaks 1 qt oil every 2 months. The owner cannot afford big bux a shop would charge, but a friend can resolve the issues for a reasonable cost, but cannot due to the law. Sooooo, the owner of the car is leaking chemicals all over town. (scratching my head) This makes sense HOW?

[@jaygraham4095]

Exactly it's the same as what Steve pointed out about the traffic. This kinda stuff doesn't solve anything. Just creates more more problems.

[@Fun4GA]

The State laws aren't really well thought through. I got cited for taking 21 tires (that were illegally dumped on my farm) down to the legal disposal facility. If I would have only taken 7 tires per trip, it would have been legal for me to transport them. It was the California Air Qauloty Board that cited me (based on the trash transfer stations reporting me).

[@subjectofgov]

Remember when the US was considered a free country? No, you don't.

[@jefffritts68]

find out who wrote this law and vote them out!!!!!!!

[@booterone1]

Use Jay Leno's residence for the definition of normal residence. Problem solved.

[@andremontana1327]

Trump's border wall should go north along the California state line, with very strict Visa travel requirements for comrades there wishing to visit the U.S.

[@theresepankey9978]

This was written by HOA karens

[@dstevans]

"It's not an oil filter wrench, officer...it's a jar-lid loosener."

[@lisalutterbach6843]

Well done.

[@TalonPro]

How many mechanics do you see complaining about having to use a screw driver to remove said filter by stabbing it?

[@beniaminrolea8891]

You're absolutely right. Greetings from Montreal! And yes, I do major repairs, e.g. timing belt, transmission swap, exhaust, I changed gears in a transmission. Controlled society, that's where we're going. It's sad seeing those coming from America, initially raised by people looking for freedom...

[@beniaminrolea8891]

@@formula112967 I am not aware about such law. Different countries stop liberty in different ways... It's just sad.

[@johnboy2048]

I live in a residence. Every tool I own is _normally_ found in my residence. Therefore, every tool I own is normally found in _a_ residence (specifically mine).

[@timothyjohnson6258]

You're next. They will be coming to confiscate your tools soon so that you can't commit the unspeakable act of checking your tire pressure or something and you may not a "certified mechanic".

[@2ndprotectsthe1st27]

/Ignore, do not comply.

[@ErickHenkel]

“If you don’t understand cars, don’t write laws about cars.” I’ve been saying the same thing about gun laws for years.

[@richardwhite3177]

Dude great insight...

[@richardwhite3177]

@Frank Heuvelman Everyone in the United States should have unfettered access to firearms...

[@richardwhite3177]

@Frank Heuvelman Ooh, I guess you put me in my place...

[@richardwhite3177]

@Frank Heuvelman 😕 please word so I can understand you...

[@stephenbaker9475]

@@richardwhite3177 we need more people to stand up and defend the constitution

[@chemech]

Face it, this "law" is about as un-American as it gets...

[@jeffsaxton716]

I have hundreds of tools and always have. I'm an advocate of Red Green's saying: "If women don't find you handsome, at least let them find you handy."

[@rambolambo5754]

If you live in a tent city downtown can you work on your shopping cart?

[@jgfrakes2736]

yes, as long as you defecate on the sidewalk & drop your needles on the streets.

[@lightweight1974]

Gear pullers, pitman arm fork, ball joint tools, timing light, dwell meter, impact wrench, torque wrenches, brake tools, several wrench sets, several socket sets, feeler gauges, ignition wrenches, AC recharge tools, clutch pilot tools, jacks, stands, wheel chocks, on and on.... Lots of tools normally found in my garage and I'm an IT guy(and a gearhead).

[@busteredwards8762]

Just another law to continue the transformation from a free market to a controlled market. Probably brought about due to lobbying by the motor trade.

[@brieannateylar5810]

According to JOHN DEERE Tractors Inc you can't do any repairs on any of the Newer tractor that they build even if you PAID off the price for the tractor and are the out right owner of the tractor .

[@indridcold8433]

They can take my wrench out of my cold dead hand.

[@ferniek5000]

hahahahahaha

[@vburke1]

That sounds like something an idiot home owners association would write.

[@joem5110]

Being a mechanic, I'm working on my cars and everything else I own and the government is not going to tell me I can't.

[@addiumuppicus5738]

It's not about right or wrong but about getting control established. Pretty much is in effect laws of precedent . Not sure your being a ' certified ' mechanic or not . I am but how this ' law ' is telling you the owner regardless of ability you just have lost your Rights concerning your possessions .

[@tyree9055]

This is all about a power grab, trying to force everyone to pay dealerships to work on their car(s) and putting the small, private shops out of business under the guise of political correctness. They'd love me though... - Pontiac forced me to purchase their "Special Water Pump Wrench" (I doubt anyone within 100 miles of me probably has that thing 😄)... - I manufactured a custom tool to hold the engine when I pull the transmission off of the back of it on my Subaru... - I spent three (3) months diagnosing / fixing an engine that had no heat during the winter, only to find out the coolant system was missing its thermostat. Once that was fixed, it developed a water leak which required the water pump to be replaced. After that the engine refused to turn over, even though the timing was correct, which was due to a ground off camshaft lobe on #4 cylinder. That car (1990 Pontiac) still runs to this day after spending $1000 in parts (though it sits now because it needs the engine rebuilt - compression's too low). - I bet 75% of my tools most people don't have and I'm just a shade tree mechanic! Tell those Silicone Valley politicians to pull the silicone implants out of their heads (and elsewhere), unless they want to quadruple my pay (before I'll even consider doing that). Nevermind that my cars run longer than most people's to begin with... Who the hell are they to tell me what I can / can't do? As if it's a malicious act to maintain / repair my car rather than working my arse off to line their pockets? F them! 🙄🖕

[@philindeblanc]

What is more interesting is that it is also establishing a definition of "home tools"...Hmmm. Home should not have X tool. That is tyrany breathing on your neck.

[@HellNoKamala]

@@addiumuppicus5738 It's to stop some people who open up shop in the driveway. They can't say these are my cars everyday. This 50 gallon drum of used oil is for my use officer won't cut it. In Florida they say it's law that you can't change your own oil. Still do but it's so you can't run a shop in your driveway. Who want's that? Many foreigners in California who would pour the oil in the ground.

[@jeffshackleford3152]

I am not a mechanic, but I will work on anything I want to in my yard.

[@laurar2913]

Stupidest law ever sounds like one of those " Squad People " wrote law. I believe they want to get rid of cars ?

[@Nukewinter30]

The purpose of the law is simple. Money. They want you to go to a shop and pay for the work to be done for increase in tax revenue.

[@sharkonwheels2220]

Sacramento County would *HATE* my residence, and the tools in my garage... 35g air compressor, lathe, mill, drill press, band saw, table saw, router table, 107lb Mousehole Forge blacksmith anvil, propane 3-burner blacksmith forge, propane smelting/casting furnace, 2 welders on a welding cart, Kendon motorcycle lift (1000lb capacity), engine hoist, engine stand, triple-stack 44" toolbox... Man, that state and it's municipalities are freaking NUTS! I figure the anvil and forge would push those idiots off the deep end!!!

[@mjw1955]

Oil changes, Radiator flushes and air/fuel filter replacement are maintenance, not repairs.

[@dremwolf5419]

How many residences have 10mm sockets?

[@Deathbytireiron]

lol

[@kiellivingston7100]

None, they've all been lost

[@aquatrax123]

Step 1) Ban Fixing cars at home Step 2) Require a permit to fix cars at home Step 3) Profit

[@seanclark8452]

Own an interest in repair shops (or get 'contributions' or whichever); ban repair other than in a shop; profit

[@recoveringnewyorker2243]

My Hyundai Sonata has a 4cyl engine and I can replace the spark plugs in about 15 minutes. Minor repair, right? My daughters Hyundai Sonata has a V-6 engine requiring partial disassembly of the intake manifold to access the back 3 spark plugs. Major repair?

[@crazy_human2653]

I'm also extremely concerned how they included property zoned as agriculture in this because farmer need to work on their equipment to be able to keep up with the demands/breakdowns to be able to product the food we eat.

[@rhondakendrick2563]

MONEY IS BEHINE THIS

[@mf--]

If they cannot lock the farmers out with software, they will get the police to do it.

[@patharris3197]

oh oh oh. John Deere says if you work on your tractor yourself you void the warranty; all work must be done by a certified john deer mechanic.

[@mouser4290]

Motor Vehicle Owners' Right to Repair Act

[@dickydoodle8454]

No place for real men in a snowflake society

[@JasonW.]

My wife knows how to rotate tires and do more than a simple oil change. So, no place for normal humans in a snowflake society.

[@user-dl3cr3wq9r]

@@JasonW. Classic snowflake response lol :)

[@befuddled2010]

As a Californian, I am ashamed. I spent my youth working on and restoring cars with my friends and find the idea of outlawing such an enjoyable and productive activity detestable.

[@homesteadhelper9126]

I would have to agree, I wouldn't want to buy a house where I couldn't work on my own car.

[@marthasmadman]

Time tell the government to stay out of peoples business

[@keithpeterson5108]

Can I bill the people who passed this law for the extra costs forced on me by this law?

[@mathmurdock]

Step #3 Remove the oil cap. Step #4 Replace the engine. Step #5 Reinstall the oil cap.

[@Enigma-Sapiens]

A number of years ago a city inspector told me I had to get rid of an old classic car I had behind my garage. I told him it wasn't a car anymore, it was now a mobile storage container. He shook his head and walked away. I never heard another word about it.

[@stevemccormick4938]

I live in the county next door. Every time I see a prop 65 warning I want to go the the statehouse and put up a banner that says "prop 65.5 warning - People inside this building are a cancer".

[@richardshaw7673]

Can the farmer in the "agricultural area" repair his tractor? His hay truck? Agriculture requires frequent mechanical repair of many types of vehicles.

[@ltraina3353]

Excellent point!

[@Nowhere84422]

No they cannot these days... It is getting absurd.

[@CondoreComputing]

Not if John Deere has anything to say about it he can't.

[@shawnjones4347]

I was wondering the same thing.

[@brianm6117]

A vaguely written law benefits those that the law was written to impact. The fact the law is so vague it would never be able to fully implemented. I don't have a garage so a lot of my work is done right in my driveway. A major repair to you might be a minor repair to me. Just today I had to swap some tires around due to a flat. I own jacks, battery impacts, breaker bars, ratchets, sockets, wrenches, screw drivers, nut drivers, pry bars, die grinders, DA sanders, air hammers, mini sledges, etc, etc, etc. If I don't own a tool and need it I go buy it. Those tools are normally found in MY home, so I could argue that I am not affected by the law.

[@timlong7289]

That kind of law should be held in contempt. A homeowner should be able to do anything they like within the privacy of their own property. I do hope there is a legal challenge.

[@MrGskell309]

I guess the guys who do mobile windshield repair/replacement are screwed.

[@jpol3808]

Wrong. A contractor performing a service for a paying customer wouldn't classify as a person working on their own vehicle at their own residence. Besides the contractor is a trained professional usually wearing a uniform and getting paid to fix your car. You see..that's a paid for service being performed and people who pass laws love money! As long as they see the little white vans with guys in uniforms, with company names and advertising all over them, you could probably form your own militia and print some made up service name on the vans and the people who wrote or enforce the law wouldn't give it a second look to see what your actually doing. If they had a company called Mobile Engine Rebuilds, you could hire them to rebuild your engine in your driveway and no one would say a word because your not working on your own car at your own house. Your paying someone to do it. That's money changing hands and that's something they love to see. The rich who write these laws love to pay for service for everything because they can afford it! That's just how it works. Jpol.

[@hankscorpio6111]

I don't care if it's a blight issue or not. It's your property YOU have the right to use it as YOU see fit. Not some municipal corporation who's trying to impede on your rights!

[@tobymarx-dunn2332]

Here’s an an example I would like to hear your thoughts on. I grew up in a small town in Vermont, I had many large bonfires when I was growing up (6-8 feet across, large for normal bonfire size). I then moved to Boston, into a single family home with a small backyard. Should I be allowed to have the same types of fires in my backyard as I did in Vermont?

[@hankscorpio6111]

@@tobymarx-dunn2332 Interesting example but here's the problem and the difference. If you light a big bonfire in your sfh in Boston your likely going to "smoke out" other domiciles that don't belong to you right? So in this case your impeding on someone else's right's which you don't have. When its a car parked on your own property it isn't impeding on anyone else's rights. Therein lies the difference. "Also your setting yourself up for the liability of burning down someone else's home if it caught on fire".

[@adulfdabo898]

It's all about taking older and reliable cars off the roads and make people buy new, modern cars. Modern cars are designed to be put to a car dealer, even for some breake pads, cause you can't do it anymore. They need to be calibrated and the electromic "brain" has to be reset... You also need some special tools to change the spark plugs (if you're able to find them). The list goes on and on. Fix it as long as it runs!!!

[@ewkabel]

I wouldn't buy one of those piece of crap vehicles.

[@bill5982]

Another reason huge numbers of people are fleeing California.

[@oneminutetomidnight]

Can I change the blinker fluid? Or not change the blinker fluid?

[@marlberg2963]

What constitutes tools not normally found in a residence? I have welders, plasma cutters, an anvil a forge, a 10,000 lb press, air tools, grinders, a floor lift, oxy-acytelene rig all bought commercially as a private citizen. Also I don't believe the hatred of car repair as the impetus for the law. I would at a guess assume the reason has to do with local repair shops trying to force local residents to pay for repairs instead of doing the repairs themselves. When in doubt about the reason for bad law always follow the money

[@mechtechmike6844]

Agreed. And to add, over time as advanced tools become more affordable, homeowners have greater tool resources.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

Wow; I am envious of your tools. Good job!

[@dalewinchester7236]

California sounds like a prison state

[@adamweaver1594]

Theyre really trying to become a communist state.

[@inchranger]

You thought Escape from LA wasnt a reality TV show? lol

[@michaelball2261]

Normal for who? Normal for the average guy? Normal for a single woman? I'm a retired body man and I have a garage full of tools very few people would have. So, this would be normal for a retired mechanic or body man. And, as facts go, many people who work on vehicles in any capacity have tools in their garage you would not find in most garages: that's normal for them. I have 4 functional computers: 2 desktops and 2 laptops. Is that normal? Maybe I should ask if it's normal for a 72-year-old retired and single man. I ain't done, but I'll let it rest.

[@raduvladcg4218]

If you own the property, you should be able to do what ever you want on it...........

[@raduvladcg4218]

@@basspig So much for the American Dream which we find is shattered into a million pieces. All we have is each other and many tears from what should have been.........

[@raduvladcg4218]

@@petersachs764 No...........You would need to seek Mental Help if you were that extreme! I am saying that anything you do on your property should be okay as long as it doesn't pose a threat to your neighbors. You wouldn't want to practice shooting at a target that has your neighbors house behind it. I am talking about things using common sense and a little thought that the majority of people don't have..........It would sound like you need to be controlled by the system for your own safety!

[@chadhickey3889]

Laws to keep the less fortunate from advancing in society

[@KeoniPhoenix]

Rights and immunities should be broad and open ended, while government delegated powers should be narrow and defined. This way when there's a dispute between an individual's right to do something and a government power to contradict that right, the presumption should be on the individual's right to do something and not on the government power. This law violates that principle immensely by granting a limited set of vague situations and then allows for them to be contradicted by the enforcement officer's own judgement. It was written so vaguely and so sloppy so the county could have it both ways, to say that you can but then to turn around and say you can't by claiming its not minor repairs or violates the environmental policy the county has adopted.

[@jamesfang9342]

So you can shit on the sidewalk, street ,and grocery store ,but work on your car in your own driveway fuck that !

[@froggergypsy4596]

No shit. I can't afford to go to mechanic I have to do work myself. I have no other choice

[@randystegemann9990]

I suspect the automotive repair industry would have more to do with laws like this than HOA types. They want to protect their business from shade tree mechanic competition.

[@jaime65portillo1]

To all California refugees, if you moved to Arizona "DON'T" bring California politics here, vote Republican.

[@gumpus2975]

I am not repairing this car sir, I am restoring it!

[@dahveed284]

That's probably illegal too. And did you get your restoration permit?

[@Acece665]

I would argue that any tool or device sold in a retail outlet (Autozone, Napa, Harbor Freight, etc) is a "tool normally found in a residence".

[@zibbielanham]

Indeed. I'm a 64yo lady and own a variety of tools-- for instance, 2 diff filter wrenches, which I now use to open jars-- and bought at WalMart. HOA's are Overboard on this one.

[@redstarthunder12]

"tools not normally found in a home" is the most ivory tower mindset I ever heard in a law.

[@braeburn2333]

So true!

[@maman14141414]

Yeah what's supposed to mean,it sounds like someone though things not found in my house (not normal people 😂)

[@poodlescone9700]

So basically the following is illegal: Install license plate Touch up paint chips Change a head light bulb Politicians are stupid.

[@corax2012]

Soviet state of California. Must be well known. I typed in Soviet state of ... and California popped right up.

[@EPaulIII]

If you need a witness on the subject, I am available. Normally found in a residence? You would not believe my garage. Wood shop. Machine shop. Electronics shop. You name it. I have had a metal lathe for over 50 years. Now I have two. Milling machine. Table saw. Routers. Belt sander. Bench grinders. A collection of electric and electronic meters. An oscilloscope - no wait, TWO. Spectrum analyzers. I can measure distances down to millionths of an inch. Voltages to 0.05% and in my world, that is not very good. Oh, lets not forget chain saws. Some even come on a pole so you can reach the higher branches while standing on the ground. Almost any tool you can think of, I probably have and HAVE had for many years. I would make a great witness. Dangerous chemicals? How about laundry bleach? Or drain cleaner? I wouldn't drink the nail polish remover that the ladies use on their finger nails. Raid! Garden chemicals. The list goes on and on. And all available at our grocery, home improvement, and drug stores. Even children can buy most of them. Don't even ask me about the variety of chemicals I purchased as a teenager. Can you say whoosh and boom? Chemicals used for auto repairs are TAME by comparison. Focusing on auto repairs, I am not a big shade tree mechanic. But I have done my share of repairs. What is normal in a residence? Well, I have rebuilt carburetors. That is not an ever-day repair, but it can be done at home. I even had a carburetor problem on a trip on a Saturday afternoon; just too late to ever get a mechanic until Monday morning. I pulled over in an empty parking lot, took my tool chest out of the back and opened the hood. My wife was afraid we would be stuck all night. I took the carburetor off, cleaned it out, and replaced it. Replaced the tools in the back and cranked it up. We arrived at our motel for the evening in time to wash up and go out to a nice dinner and drove another 500 miles the next day. In fact, we drove at least another 2000 miles before returning home. My wife was impressed. I felt lucky, but I pulled it off. So what's unusual? I didn't think that was. My grandfather had a chain hoist in his garage and could pull an engine out. That was 50+ years ago. Unusual? Not really. Perhaps having a car up on blocks for months at at time is a bit much, but I can see one being repaired for a few days. Working people sometimes do not have the time to do it all at once. Beauty parlors wash women's hair, I guess men's too. Perhaps those neighborhoods should have laws against washing your own hair. Just read the list of ingredients on some of the chemicals they use. And talk about unattractive, ever see ..... Well, never mind.

[@Zyphera]

Usa land of the free? Land of the pitty rules

[@brandon5604]

You ask why they made this law? It's simple, just another way to generate revenue for the state.

[@arribaficationwineho32]

Also, no homeowner wants to live next to an auto repair shop

[@100forks]

If a government says you can no longer repair your own car, I would assume that the government would now be responsible to cover the cost of your repairs.

[@rosemariehogan1262]

Exactly!

[@danielb2060]

I am a retired heavy line mechanic with $100.000 dollars in tools and boxes in my garage.Am I suppose sell my investment to satisfy someone eles? In my opinion what is in my garage is no one's business !!!

[@j.r.arnolli9734]

I have a torquewrench since 1972🤐 better use that than some cheap plier. I change piston-rings when needed.

[@TheCrystalGlow]

Steve, I don’t know about you but I see this law being very quickly challenged and defeated because it’s so vague. I live in California and I constantly work on my own car. Law or no law; I will still keep maintaining my own car no matter what and I’ll never take it to a shop and pay money for something I can do on my own. Plus wouldn’t fair use law apply? I own my car so I am allowed to do whatever I want to it. The same applies to anything I privately own.

[@TheCrystalGlow]

RevMarket I do own my car. Bought and paid for 100% with no loan out on it at all.