Can the Art of Mixing Survive the AI Era?

[@AndrewSouthworth]

I'm super excited about AI mixing / mastering continuing to improve. At least 90% of the job is tedious BS, with the remaining 10% being fun and/or creative. Will some people stop hiring actual engineers and instead use AI? Absolutely, but I guarantee those people were the worst clients to have in the first place. I suspect nobody will love these AI mixing tools more than mixing engineers. AI isn't going to take mixing jobs away, mixing engineers using AI will take mixing jobs away from mixing engineers who refuse to use AI. These companies need to figure out the whole training data problem though. All these AI companies just be stealing whatever they can find, and then not disclosing where they got their data. Consent should be required from anyone's work that is included in the training data.

[@ShyBoyEnt]

Nice 👍🏿

[@progressionspod]

Totally agree. 90% feels a little high for the tedious part of mixing, but regardless... if AI did my prep and I sat down and was creative, I'd love it. I also definitely agree that any client that jumps to AI immediately was the type of client you didn't want either. Thanks for watching and thanks for contributing to the convo!

[@prototype8137]

If you think of 90% of the process is tedious you're either full of yourself or in the wrong field.

[@user-yk4gd1fl4z]

Lol nice cope! Enjoy faking it !

[@Dane_Riazer]

It's interesting you mention that, because what I usually teach is to focus on getting the technical aspects out of the way so you can dive into the creative side of mixing. Streamlining that process with AI is amazing. However, the only gap I see is that home studios often face challenges beyond what you might encounter in a professional studio-things like recording spaces, techniques, production skill level, and premix quality. Will AI actually be able to account for those differences effectively? Find out next time on "SPIKE A.I." 😂

[@chrt_aaron]

This is such a timely discussion. For artists without access to top-tier mixing, AI offers a chance to release music that can truly compete globally, moving away from sounding amateur. The creative potential here is huge - by handling repetitive tasks, AI frees us to focus on what really matters: the artistry. As mixers, we should see AI as a tool that allows us to explore new boundaries, rather than a replacement for skill or craft. Yet, as you mention, there's also the potential for AI to change how the next generation learns the fundamentals of mixing. Losing the experience of going through the "rough" stages of mixing could impact the development of unique styles and techniques. Still, adaptability has always been a cornerstone of the music industry. It’s true that embracing AI may be intimidating, but it’s also the path to staying ahead. This technology might change the way we work, but the mixer's taste and creativity will remain irreplaceable. AI isn't the end of the craft - it’s just a new chapter.

[@progressionspod]

This made me think... there's so much focus on working with "top tier mixers," but isn't there value in collaborating with anybody that brings the best out of you or the music? Like you said at the end, the mixer's taste and creativity will remain irreplaceable, I just hope that artists think that taste and creativity is just as valid (and maybe even better) when it comes from a mixer that is 5 years into their career versus 35 years. Thanks for watching and contributing to the convo!

[@chrt_aaron]

Sometimes the freshest ideas and boldest approaches come from those who are still carving out their unique sound, and I think that can bring a really powerful energy to a project. AI or not, it’s really about connecting with someone who resonates with the music on a personal level - someone who ‘gets’ the vision and enhances it in a way only they can. It's refreshing to see more people recognize that creativity isn’t defined by years of experience but by the passion and perspective a mixer brings to the table.

[@jasonfnorth]

As bedroom producer if I could choose from different mix engineer types genres styles and such ... And it magically gets me 90% there, saving me tons of time mixing... I'd buy it. I want to focus on song lyrics, music composition, arrangement, etc

[@progressionspod]

That would be great. If it's a tool that gets you part of the way there and then you can work on top of it and tweak to your preferences... could be interesting. Thanks for watching!

[@Dat-jawn]

What you should demand be included in such a tool, is a full explanation of what is being done with a toggle to display in real time. Full log should automatically be saved as Metadata for review later.

[@petecarrollmusic]

Excellent perspective Travis. One thing about the "Accept new tech or die" adage is that when we accept AI Mixing, AI Mastering then AI Songwriting, AI Arranging, AI Vocals, AI chord progressions, bass, drums, piano etc all in one package and quite possibly, eventually eaten up/owned by a corporation, what's left for us, what platforms will we be allowed to upload our human music too ? It's the death of ART. AI cannot Art. All these companies (who funded their development/R&D) purport to be ethical, transparent et al (NGO buzz words and red flags to me), but at the end of the day, most if not all Gen AI has stolen music, video, photo data to machine learn. What's ethical by allowing the death of our "human" expression ?! In 10 years, will there be any Musicians, Producers, Mix Engineers ?!

[@progressionspod]

Yeah, I'd definitely side with you on the use of "ethical and transparent" being marketing buzz words to get society on board. I hope that as we all notice what is going on around us that there will be a wave of focus on support human made things, art and otherwise. There should be more focus, in every field, about the potential changes. Look at lawyers, accountants, doctors... those seem like insulated fields. Until a subscription AI is doing all your contracts and drafting your statements to represent yourself in court for a 9.99/mo. People need to focus on their human value more than the perfection of their skill set because it's possible a machine will be more "skilled".

[@petecarrollmusic]

@@progressionspod Concurred. One day, we'll all be left with nothing, no purpose. Its all very well for folk to jump on board with AI tech just now, but tech does not go backwards. I spent circa 15 years in IT Support. A lot of it is automated now. They'll keep on developing, refining, developing until where ? when do we say no. When do we kick start our principles and protection of human pursuits, our creative output? Wait till Social Credit Scoring comes in on the back of Dig ID, we'll all be screwed, voiceless with no creative output, unless State approved. One day, all the "best" performing Gen AI and tools will be sucked up by large corporations/big music platforms, then it'll all be controlled in large single footfalls ie(Spotify et al). These companies, or most of them, have scraped the internet for data, to machine learn their tech and have not recompensed musicians, artists, designers, videographers, photographers etc etc. We're all being hoodwinked down and pushed alley with the promise of a better tomorrow, and an easier life (with mundane tasks being handled by something else). I don't want an easier life, I want to learn art forms and work my arse off for it. We are the artists, we are being hit by the first blast of all of this. Next up, AI courts, AI local councils, AI Gov, AI cops, AI health. It needs to stop. Transhumanism is the end game. ( I digress but all part of the larger picture). The World Economic Forum (not our friends by the way), produced a report a few years ago and concluded that AI & Robotics will take over half the world's jobs. They're being conservative. The only jobs/careers left will be tradespeople (plumbers, brickies, joiners etc). We're at a serious juncture now. Choose wisely peeps.

[@oceanblack]

Considering 99% of all music is not original, not creative, very immitative, not funded by corporations. But that 1% of music that 99% of the people do listen to is very heavily statistic driven, made to specific standards, ingeneral is a low hanging fruit that nobody want's to bite into and something many artist are outraged by when offered to try. I think AI isnt gonna do absolutely nothing that we didnt do ourselves yet, simply because people will be controlling the AI and they will still do it to their unpopular taste and they still have the same insecurities. I think if anything there will be 1,000 times more shit music and harder to break through the noise, but once you do, you're still gonna be competing with the same to top 1,000 best artists in your scene that are on your level.

[@petecarrollmusic]

​@@oceanblack I agree, but also, less Sync jobs for composers, AI companies will drive their tech towards provision of Sync, or anywhere which brings in the big bucks (Film/TV etc). And if Film/TV Production companies are offered better deals outwith what Unions stipulate for Film/TV composers, those very companies will use AI Gen if it costs less and they retain more of their budget. And I strongly suspect that streaming platforms will favour their own Gen AI music (which they've more than likely machine learnt from the human music on their platforms), thus rendering Film & TV music pointless, or futile for the hue man music creators. So they key to it all, as far as humans are concerned is, BE YOURSELF, that's the niche, and create the music you love, others will love it. Gen AI videos and photos look very very synthetic, unreal, and I think most folk will eventually perceive Gen AI music the same. Crass attempts at mimicry for financial gain and not out of love of music. Music creation "can" come from a deep and spiritual, emotional place. I think the Tech platforms will keep on screwing over human made music until very few songs/compositions wont be allowed on their streaming platforms. We also have to retain some degree of physicality too, CDs/Albums et al as one day, all art will only be accessible if your Social Credit Score is high enough for anyone to experience art ! Be yourself, do what you love and love what you do, f**k AI.

[@oceanblack]

@@petecarrollmusic I agree with your point about many sync jobs will be lost. What I personally fear is platforms like Spotify having their own AI radio tailored based on all the artists they love. That would hurt all non major label artists.

[@BrentLeVasseur]

As a composer who doesn’t want to spend my time mixing, but would like a better rough mix for demos and temp tracks this would potentially be fantastic. I could then take the mix and final further and then send that to my mixing engineer for final polishing prior to mastering. I don’t think AI will totally replace humans, because humans know what’s best and the AI can only iteratively guess. I like your idea of having a script or plugin that would automatically set everything up properly. Maybe you should develop that as a product? Anything that can save time and make us able to spend more time creating vs. screwing with the technology and improve the workflow is a good thing. And by the way, the biggest problem with producing music today is the streaming subscription model, where artists receive only a small fraction of a cent per stream. That’s far worse than AI, as it essentially has turned music into a worthless commodity, which hurts everyone in the music creation business. The music is no longer the product being sold, it’s just a loss leader form of marketing to build a fan base for the artist, who then makes money by selling T-shirts or tickets to concerts, which is the real money maker (or licensing for professional streaming video, film and game composers.)

[@progressionspod]

I wish I would have thought of this before I filmed. haha. AI mixing allowing composers and producers to just create and not worry about the rough mix is a really interesting concept. I think that would be really powerful for a lot of people. It's like having a massive composer template, it let's stay creative and write music. Also, the biggest problem in the industry is for sure the flow of money to artists. And you nailed it with music just being a form of marketing for the artist's fan base. That problem is what will drive more people to cut corners with AI products. If you aren't making money, then why would you spend it. Thanks for sharing, love these insights!

[@AZaqZaqProduction]

As an ametur hobbyist producer and not a mixing engineer, this sounds great. I would be very happy for good mixes for my tracks to become more accessible.

[@RemmyMusic1]

the issue is you got people who have no business being in the music industry using these tools that essentially allow you to slap your name on something you didnt even produce. all splice loops, ai mixed and mastered, and suddenly you are nominated for a grammy.

[@TakeHit0]

​@@RemmyMusic1 Nonsense music is already being nominated for grammys. No loss

[@user-yk4gd1fl4z]

Or you could learn something loser. F#### posers.

[@adirsab]

if it saves time and and you happy with the sound. its all good.

[@progressionspod]

🙌

[@mdhamdii]

I used AI mastering and it saved me alot.

[@Vivaildi]

Ultimately, those who can't afford a professionnal human mixing will use it, those who want a real sound engeneer that they like to do it because they can afford it will do it. This doesn't change anything.

[@DirkArnez]

AI helps doing the chore like vocal volume automation / aligning / autotuning!

[@firstnamesurname6550]

Did automobiles make us better cart/horses riders??

[@Doxkyn]

I have already integrated AI tools (Sonible's suite of tools) into my mixing workflow and I find they are like having another objective opinion. That opinion isn't always right but sometimes it's helpful. The AI you're speaking of is obviously different but I think there is solid place for AI in a workflow - sort of like intuitive presets but you still need to understand the complex relationships of parts in a mix. I use AI in other areas of my life and find it helpful but it always needs and adult to supervise it. It'd be interesting to survey mastering engineers to see if they feel AI has made an impact on their revenue. It's a big subject but I actually don't think AI is the biggest threat to the music industry right now. Maybe I'm being naive. Thanks for the great and thoughtful content!

[@progressionspod]

“Needs an adult to supervise” 😂. Great points! I also don’t think AI is the biggest threat to the industry at the moment. I think a bigger one is the lack of money flowing to artists. Although, if it remains difficult to make a living making music, it’s going to be a lot more tempting for people to turn to quicker cheaper AI options. Thanks for watching!

[@denniswilcox1097]

9:46 what are you talking about here. The way its been done for the past 80 years? Mixing an album in the 1960s would have been a COMPLETELY different process to now. Mixing engineers in the early 2000s, with the rise of Pro Tools and mixing with plugins etc, who had learnt their trade on outboard analog gear, were mostly all of the opinion that the art of mixing a record was completely lost, digital sounded too sterile etc. This is just the new version of that.

[@progressionspod]

Yeah, the choice of words is a bit less than ideal, but the intention was… mixing has always been done by people listening and making a choice based on their preference and taste. There have been many eras of mixing, from direct to disc all the way to Pro Tools, but the common thread has always been humans making choices to support the art.

[@prototype8137]

@@denniswilcox1097 I would also like to add not every producer jumped on the evolution or devolution depends on how you look at it. So during the rise of protools there were still producers using purely analog equipment and choosing dynamics over loudness.

[@necroticpoison]

I'm excited for AI reducing tediousness, making mixers better, maybe even changing the buyer-base towards more considerate. If it ends up doing any of that, maybe it won't

[@progressionspod]

"Changing the buyer-base towards more considerate" is interesting. Good way to put it. People will go look for what they want more actively and probably be more engaged in those collaborations because people that want the lowest bidder will use the... lowest bidder. Mr. AI.

[@Hive5ive]

Radio didn't killed the music industry, anymore than television killed broadway. Autotune didn't eliminate the vocalist anymore than photoshop eliminated photographers or cameras painters. We (society) always do this, something new comes along the bend and we freak out. Ai will change things, yes, but how and what exactly, and to what extent? Figuring that out is a fools errand. I make music here and now, and am not wasting time worrying about someone else's intelligent algorithm. World is complicated enough without fretting over this too. Respectfully.

[@subschnee4573]

Well looking at my example for a sec: I've recorded seven songs on an 8-track in my homestudio over the past three years. Will I now do the mixdown by myself or track each buss and let the work be done by this application? ATM I don't have the time to mix these songs nor am I having the money nor will I be making any money beside a few bucks with it to justify spending 2-300 per song for mixing. So yess, mixing for bands, home producers, small groups and music enthusiasts is probably over for most of the professional engineers.

[@marcdanielnelson317]

Great video Travis.

[@progressionspod]

Thanks! Glad you dug it!

[@NathanielWolkstein]

Another great and helpful video, THANK YOU!

[@progressionspod]

Thanks for checking it out!

[@easternsouvenirs]

Such an interesting time. I only started mixing freelance in 2020 so it kind of feels like the best and worst time to get into it, haha. A brief period of TONS of remote collaboration (Yay!) followed by the advent of generative AI tools that are basically removing the need for human collaboration (not yay!). I think that is what bums me out about music making in 2024... everyone IS their own band now and no one needs to collaborate with another human to make, record, mix and release a song. It's empowering in a way... but it removes the need to get humans into a room to put their creative minds together. Mixed feelings all around for me. I think using AI/machine learning to make mixing/editing tools better and easier is great. But don't put it in a black box and make me write text prompts please.

[@progressionspod]

Yes! I really agree with a lot of this. I think empowering people to be able to make art and get their ideas out is amazing. A topline lyric/melody writer that can't produce a track can use an AI created track to write to and then send vocals to a producer to reproduce (or not) is a perfect example. But where do we draw the line as a collective society of creatives. Obviously the tech industry won't draw the line so we'll have to do it. I think a lot of how these tools will go over time will be directly related to how we as consumers and users allow. (I hope)

[@mcrenn5350]

Thoughtfully said. Gonna go chew on all that now...

[@john-vv1ln]

how does AI learn everything about your DAW?

[@firstnamesurname6550]

For almost all humans, A mixing enginering is replacable by AI ... but If you enjoy mixing, you will do because your enjoyment to mix, most people doesn't care about how a tune is mixed. 'New Producers' will TALK to the AI up to get something that they LIKE ... i.e. People will believe that the 'Producers' Criteria' is what matters ... but everybody would believe that they are 'Producers with criteria' because for liking music and getting criteria about what is likeable to you, it doesn't depend in having traditional audio engineering skills (i.e. Rick Rubin is not a musician, not even a sound/mixing engineer, just a dude that enjoy things that another ones tends to enjoy, too ) ... just prompt and prompt up to get something that 'the producer/content creator' enjoys 'as if' his/her 'Producing style' ... As a little female girl with a gun can easily kill the best Spartan Warrior ... A deaf producer with an AGI can easily replace all those Rick Rubins and Timbalands to come ...

[@progressionspod]

Referencing Rick Rubin actually made me think… the old school producers like Rick or Phil Ramone acted as guides. They guided artists and session musicians to finding what felt great. Essentially “prompting” the band into making the record. 🤔

[@firstnamesurname6550]

@@progressionspod Exactly, they are the preamble to biological "prompt enginering " ... each behavior that can be automated can be performed by a mechanical system

[@katielowen]

Honestly, AI WILL HELP MAKE SO MANY MUSIC CAREERS🙏🥰

[@progressionspod]

And I'm down for that. If artists can make more music and promote it better with AI tools I'm in support of it. If somebody who can't produce a track and still write and make art I'm in support of it.

[@benwallick]

Great video! Just because it's happening, doesn't make it fun/fulfilling.

[@progressionspod]

There's definitely a couple potential versions of it that aren't fun. haha.

[@prototype8137]

There will always be humans that want to minimize the use of ai because anyone with a decent human connection understand the implications. Others will embrace it.

[@athonygraham8353]

I'm excited, as a musician that has had to learn mixing just to get my music into a state that would be acceptable. What I can see happening and what I hope for is that we'll have an AI pal/ buddy who sits with us in a mix and know what our hardware is and how best to use it in a specific mix, all the alternative ways you may not have thought, production ideas and tips and advice. Like you've got your favourite mixer/ producer ther in the room. This could happen with writing and arrangement, each artist would have to use their own discretion and just own up what percentage is their input and which is AI. You could publish any number of mixes with, without and in between. It would be great to get all the tedious, long boring stuff out of mixing and get help and suggestions based upon your own genre, your own vision and way of doing things and what you want to acheive. Is the end result the music? Or is it the mixing, production and mastering?

[@user-yk4gd1fl4z]

Pathetic. Your part of the problem ! “Ai mix buddy”…Jesus Christ.

[@MariJu1ce]

I dont think an ai will ever able to have emotions, and thats what mixing is all about, so we dont have to be worried. Maybe it means that people get to have better taste and subtlety, to differentiate ai from humans. For us that have good ears and taste, i think its gonna sound hilariously terrible anyways

[@progressionspod]

There's a lot of people out there that could use better taste. 😂 but serious question... how much of your process would you let an AI do before you took over? 10%? 50%? 0%? Would you use it for non-creative tasks?

[@user-yk4gd1fl4z]

@@progressionspodabsolutely zero. Anyone with any pride and sense will use ZERO

[@fazsound]

AI in music isn’t as developed as many think/fear it is. It’s still very much a tool rather than a human replacement. We’ve had AI mastering for years now; yet we seem to have more mastering engineers now than ever before… and if we start having AI mixes go out into the world then it wouldn’t surprise me if they become busier than ever ‘fixing’ those mixes. Even smart tools/plugins still aren’t better than the manual processes. Drum triggering, editing and even gating for the most part are still better handled manually. I’m all up for AI taking some strain out of the job - yet we still don’t have a “one-click quantise these drums” function that is foolproof. We’re a way off yet.

[@progressionspod]

I'm with you on the fact that the tools we'd guess would be the obvious place for AI (drum triggers, gating, etc) are just not popping up like you'd expect. I don't think this was in the video, but I feel like it's probably due to the fact that generative AI or something that might replace a role are a more impressive show to the outside world. Tell your grandma the machine made a song and she's shocked, tell her the machine sample accurately aligned your kick triggers and she says "that's nice honey, do you want some pie."

[@fazsound]

@@progressionspod great point… I may also be on a different trail of thought to developers… I mean; why make tools to help an ok drummer sound great…. when you could skip all of that and have AI just replace the drummer entirely 😬

[@morbidmanmusic]

Is clickbait real... No mixing isn't dead. Don't use silly titles.

[@user-yk4gd1fl4z]

Music IS dead. Mixing was on life support decades ago and is dead and rotting in the ground. Unfortunately.

[@belgradeboy1977]

It's up to us to defend our creativity. Just reject any use of AI and if no one is using it it won't be a problem. AI should do other things, not replacing human creativity and imagination

[@progressionspod]

🙌 Hopefully it’s not too late once the majority of society catches up to what is happening.

[@YourMom-zt5zj]

This is absolutely not going to work. What we SHOULD be focusing on is a total restructuring of the concept of money: we're way behind on this, and sorry folks, it's completely inevitable: game theory and decision theory, among others, make it so. There is nothing, I repeat, NOTHING you can ultimately do to stop these market forces. They are way, way stronger than all of us collectively, because they are fueled by our own, innate greed, which is innately tied to our sexuality (mate selection preference), even though we don't make that link. Collectively, these forces are much stronger and much wilier than any of your protesting. They absolutely will have their way, and that's why AI is rapidly reshaping the world as we speak. Fighting it will only get you crushed. We are reeling headlong into an age where there will be little reason for anyone to have a likelihood, a post-scarcity age. The focus should be in making it legally impossible (even a capital offense, if required), to hoard AI for one's own aggrandizement, whether wealth, control, or otherwise. It is completely inevitable that the shape and function of money itself will need to be radically rethought and reimplemented this century. That's where the focus should be. Don't be a fool and get steamrolled by this stuff: make sure that you are not allowing powerful interests to steer the steamroller unimpeded.

[@demonicsweaters]

Yep! 100%

[@user-yk4gd1fl4z]

But people are attention craving lazy ass sacks of shut that are eating this up because they don’t have to learn a single thing. And they are already using AI don’t be fooled. Pathetic.

[@hippiechixx]

i feel like im in a race against AI to make relevant music before AI takes over. it's a horrible feeling.

[@progressionspod]

Make music you love and some audience somewhere will connect. Big or small. Check out the 1000 True Fans idea of you are unfamiliar.

[@dived2k1]

Mcdonalls music

[@dived2k1]

Not in counter of IA 👍🏻

[@demonicsweaters]

truth

[@Zhigoons]

I think calling it just "Ai" is too broad to describe it. Every individual "Ai" program is basically just one individual entity, even if it is a very large and very powerful computer. Different Ai will have it's own unique personality, whether or not it is programmed in. Some human music will become stale after listening to it 1000 times. So will Ai music. It's just a new form of life. Computers always have been included in life. A new evolutionary domain.

[@PotBotorg]

The rate of automation both in the labor market and more so in the intellectual fields requiring greater mental aptitude in categories from lawyers to governments mixing engineers will change the way we value human genius. IN THE 80S THERE WERE FAR LESS artists and the bar was set high due to the lack of affordable tools as well as the cost involved insured only the best of the best could rise to satisfy human preferences which were unmanipulated by how information was desemintated. Today. I've got a million dollars worth Of equipment that would make anyone In the eighties druel. As automation completely reengineers the labor market Henry ford's Reducing the cost of production so that his workers. Can't afford a higher quality of life Making humans far more mobile... Cost of goods and services and human intellectual capacity We'll both diminish exponentially and we will arrive In a future that will look like wally's world and democracy combined..... Human creativity will rapidly diminish as well.As Human health.... Our society will look like the radic.Experiments done in the 60s.At stanford research..... Abundance will lead to complaints.C will lead to destruction and this a method Of societal engineering is wanted And encouraged by the human beings that wish to get rid of the unless genetically gifted..... It seems. A very dark future for those who are mediocre at best But at the same time, our species will involveinto something far greater than it currently is. As the governments of the world start to Issue universal basic income And and human beings start worshiping artificial intelligent musicians like they worship taylor swift Human beings rise to mediocrity and destruction will be well on its way.....

[@pasquale1876]

I really believe the subjective human element of a mix cannot be replaced. I hope I am right!

[@progressionspod]

The human preference choices alone bring life to something. I might like it darker than an AI, or dirtier than an AI would think is "correct". I agree. That I think will always play a role for people making art. Now, underscore to reality tv show... those choices might not matter. But for real artists making art I think the human element will be irreplaceable.

[@YourMom-zt5zj]

You're completely wrong. Sorry. You're not what you think you are, and never have been. Once your entire nervous system and even endocrine system can be accurately simulated, and this is coming in probably less than 50 years at the rate we're going, you're going to realize what we always were: biological machines tweaked by millions of years of trial and error. We're simply skipping that process and doing it very rapidly and intentionally now. Everything around you, all biological life, is ultimately the same stardust. So yes, we're rapidly entering the age of intelligent, "spiritual" machines. Brace yourself, because the facts don't change just because you want them to. Better to lay your ego to rest now and find meaning elsewhere.

[@YourMom-zt5zj]

@@progressionspod hard disagree. Most people simply can't emotionally cope with what's coming. They'd better learn how to and do it quickly: we never were what our cultures indoctrinated us into believing we were, and that's the simple reality. AI will only improve by leaps and bounds, and sooner or later it will become very, very apparent that intelligence, artificial or biological, is intelligence per se: "he who behaves as the buddha, is the buddha." That sort of thing. Arrangements of atoms into neural networks and eventually even hormonal systems really don't care that you have internalized the belief that humans are somehow wildly special: all we are is an evolutionary quantum leap from other primates--but we're still primates, ultimately. Prepare to meet Optimus Primate: he's coming, and he's gonna come with an internal world likely way richer and deeper than your own, because, again, his neuronal structure won't really see what the big deal is about yours--and he'll be right.

[@user-yk4gd1fl4z]

Too late

[@jeramym9506]

We should all be mad about AI. This tech should not be taking over all of the creative jobs. It should be coupled with robotics to get rid of all back breaking labor. What is the point of expression and connection if it’s done by an artificial intelligence???!!

[@progressionspod]

I don't think anybody thought the creative spaces would be the first target of AI. Although if you think about where there is a plethora of training data... it's the creative fields. I think a lot of people will still want human made movies, art, music, writing, etc. But there is a lot of supplemental work that helps creatives do their passion that I think AI is going to take. A writer who does website copy or PR articles to pay the bills while they write their novel for example. Musician who does library music to pay for their album, etc. It's going to be a really crazy few years.

[@YourMom-zt5zj]

@@progressionspod get back to us in 15-20 years on this... Right now, there's a university in Sydney with a machine able to host an artificial neural network capable of 228 trillian synaptic operations per second, rivaling the human brain. This is right now. Much wiser to get onboard with this stuff now and advocate for a smooth landing for society as a whole: it's going to affect everyone. EVERYONE. And naturally, panicking people at the top of the economic ladder are going to try to hoard it and cordon it off so they maintain their status. It's the human thing to do. That's where our focus should be: making sure our societies can adapt to this post-scarcity world that's coming smoothly. Our current understanding of money simply cannot survive this shift.

[@demonicsweaters]

EXACTLY

[@DweezlePeePants]

A lot of this applies to Suno as well, though I'd love for you to do a video on Suno

[@progressionspod]

Definitely applies! What I'd like to do is get somebody from Suno or Udio on the podcast. We'll see if I can pull that one off.

[@DweezlePeePants]

​@@progressionspodGreat idea, that would be amazing.

[@JohnnyAllan-vj7sj]

I really couldn't care less either way. I do music because it's the only thing keeping me alive. I have no interest, desire, or hopes that I'll ever find any sort of "success" from it. I trash every song I finish and it takes me months to make them. Not because I think they're bad. I just never want to hear them again lol Meanwhile, people are putting out thousands of songs on every platform imaginable in the hopes that one of them will catch on and they'll make it big. It's pathetic You're all in it for the wrong reasons

[@johngreen7546]

The future is.....humans trained AI. And AI will make humans obsolete. If you adapt, it adapts. At a much faster rate. Blame yourselves for training the machine

[@john-vv1ln]

AI is all about selling the next software

[@Mike-vr7mb]

I simply want AI to remove the tedious part 🤣 leave the taste to me!

[@progressionspod]

I’m all for this. I think eventually somebody will make those tools, but they aren’t “sexy”. Generative AI is flashy and fancy to people outside whatever the industry is, and therefore probably better for the stock price. I think that’s why there is so much focus on that space.

[@rebirth4119]

I completely agree and actually had some of these sentiments myself. I think AI will encourage producers to up their game in the area of creativity. AI requires HUGE amounts of data in order to be trained and that means its most likely being trained on what is considered conventional in mixing(and songwriting). Also mixing for different genres is very different and the AI would have to be trained on how to tell the difference on what mixing choices are appropriate. I'm not saying AI is completely bad though. I don't know if anyone likes dealing with annoying resonances and build up frequencies in certain regions(having to eq, dynamic eq, resonance suppression, ect.). I feel certain things do take away from the songwriting process and I don't mind if AI helps in certain ways. Regardless, I hope with the Spike AI that they do release the information on what was used for the training.

[@progressionspod]

Training data revelations is going to be an interesting part of AI in everything. It'll be interesting to see what happens. Thanks for watching!

[@masonshirley4051]

In a few years….why bother to even make music. It will be written by AI, performed by AI, edited by AI, mixed by AI, mastered by AI, marketed by AI.

[@supermodal]

Because you enjoy it.

[@demonicsweaters]

Okay, I'll be THE ONE GUY not praising this nonsense, but calling it out for what it is, more AI horseshit. But hey, go ahead. You all should use it. You wanna let a machine do your mix for you, go ahead. While all you guys keep sounding more and more exactly the same, becoming more and more generic, homogenized, cookie cutter, boring, lifeless music. I'll be enjoying making my creative mixes that stand out from the rest.

[@Chaos-Dynamics]

If we think that using a calculator makes us better with counting, then do the meth 😅

[@user-yk4gd1fl4z]

May as well do meth. Music is cooked.

[@Mdjagg]

Ideally, we'll get a tool that goes into each track and does the basic "clean up EQ" and fixes any polarity issues and does a general level balance. After that is when the real mixing is done. Basically a tool to replace the assistant, but in reality terrible mixes are already totally fine with your average producers, and whatever tool that comes out will be 'good enough' for 90+% of music makers out there.

[@Qwitsoender]

I understand your point, but the idea that mixing as a craft has been basically the same for 80 years is simply wrong. Every decade has been very different. And just like everyone had predictions but no one really knew how digital audio would change the craft back in the early 80’s, we have lots of opinions but no clue how AI will change the craft in the coming decades.

[@progressionspod]

There was another comment along these lines. Yes, to say the craft hasn't changed in 80 years was not the best choice of words, but the sentiment I wanted to convey was that it's always been about humans making choices using their ears and their taste in support of art. If you can "collaborate" and work with what an AI is doing, then you'd still have that human choice in the support of art. If you're tossing stems into a magic box and getting a mix you can't change (or have no interest in changing) then I'd say there's not much human choice in the support of art in that case. I'd assume there will versions of AI tools that will represent both of those sides, and that people will make their choices on what they prefer.

[@Qwitsoender]

@@progressionspod Agreed.

[@user-yk4gd1fl4z]

It’s dead. Get used to it.

[@Qwitsoender]

@@user-yk4gd1fl4z Useless reply.

[@Qwitsoender]

@@user-yk4gd1fl4z Ah yes, please delight us with more of your wisdom, oh great random-letter-number-combination.

[@danielmcdill]

Resistance is useless....hgttg

[@ikamy]

Finally musicians who disrespect graphic designers over AI and replaced them with technology get a taste of their medecine. What goes around comes around.

[@DruMarshallDrums]

I think people will use AI in mixing the same way that we already use presets on plugins. Throw a plugin on your vocal track, click a preset, and most of the annoying work is already done for us. Now we can get creative. Same thing here. Let the AI do its thing, and now we have more time to experiment

[@progressionspod]

I agree! I also have a lot of opinions on presets... Don't get me started there. 😂. Presets should have a target input gain level or an AI that gain stages it. What use is a compressor preset if you don't know the input level it was built on?

[@DruMarshallDrums]

@@progressionspod haha good points!