Can the B58 Make 600whp on Pump Gas only? (NO E85)

[@markzl1608]

Anyone with a B58 should be a subscriber to this channel!

[@jerrex2762]

😂😂 my dude trolling with that second hpfp .. you almost had me searching for this lmao

[@supitsolivlogs]

Been waiting for a discussion on this! Excited to see this!

[@MistakenMedia087]

I will say after putting together a full frame turbo n54, im gonna do my best not to oversize my turbo this time lol. It was a monster about 4-4500, but you could tell it wanted to be much higher in boost. Kinda a one dimensional car, gonna go pure 850, and enjoy 550whp and 600+ft# this time around.

[@kern417]

you'll enjoy it

[@edoardot1374]

Bro you must be making over 1000hp with that second fuel pump!

[@kern417]

Super secret R&D i shouldn't even be sharing

[@Oliver-ft2fq]

Not a chance lol. Displacement has met its limits.

[@chipps_340i]

bro got that dual HPFP upgrade

[@TheSlayin]

lmao i was looking for this comment just to make sure I wasn't just seeing shit hahaha

[@onekind1554]

That’s how to make 600whp on 93 just double the fuel pumps and get double the fuel right?

[@Ashleycb97]

Awesome video buddy !!! I commented on one of your last ones regarding max power on pump , glad you made a video on it , thank you :)

[@faraz.f22]

Another clutch video from The Godfather himself

[@scringe1]

I love that engine bay!

[@howdyimdan]

very informative!

[@sheharyarirfan]

I have a lot of data on this subject as I was aiming for the exact same. That car botti tuned has a 4 inch ETS downpipe and a 4 inch ETS exhaust, my Z4 M40 had the same setup (stock exhaust) and it made 575whp on the dyno. The turbo gave up shortly after so I couldn’t test it much but got pure850 in return. With the same file my car was running out of fuel up top in 5th and 6th gear. Had it retuned by marin and we tried super hard to hit the same numbers which botti made 600whp, even using more boost/timing than botti ran but car did 550whp, it kept running out of injectors. I have port injection now, just waiting to get retuned but I think we will be able to hit 600whp on my 6 port (lower compression) motor

[@kern417]

Nice thanks for the info. It's crazy how 2 cars can respond so differently

[@sheharyarirfan]

@@kern417 Sorry edited it, so they eventually turned it down to 580whp for reliability. So I think my car was in line with numbers. With p850 I was hoping to hit 600whp but it wouldn’t even make 575 which was weird but yeah let’s see what it does now. Will post it up once numbers are in

[@sheharyarirfan]

@@kern417 also that car with 580whp isn’t faster than my car at 550whp. Marin bumped up the torque quite a bit and due to more area under the curve I pull better 100-200

[@davec5237]

Great info thanks for posting 👍

[@kbit8473]

great vid ! tell me when you are selling your other pumps XD

[@k04s4]

Awesome video, have a x3 m40i which is my daily, so 93 oct is my main fuel. About to upgrade the turbo and hoping to make some big power 600whp would be perfect as it's more than my f10 550i made with upgrades.

[@Famous_Flavours]

Not gonna get that on 93. Unless u go a bigger laggier turbo

[@k04s4]

@@Famous_Flavours okay, guess gotta build in some sunoco race gas. Don't have e85 near me. Could order some e98.

[@borderwave2]

Stock trans in the X3 is rated at 500nm. 800nm+ will burn the clutches quickly.

[@k04s4]

@@borderwave2 guess I should have bought the x3 m instead. People have run in the 10s with that model.

[@kern417]

The stock trans is severely underrated. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXSnf6mkZameqJo

[@mattysterling]

Still working on my tune with wedge for 93 with my doc race 9174 kit. It's been a long time coming but I will share my results asap!

[@47965]

How long have you been working on this tune?

[@mattysterling]

@@47965 we're on revision 5 I think and haven't even turned the boost up yet. He's thorough, and I didn't run logs for two months.

[@behindthebuild8016]

Any update on your tune I’m interested in this turbo on 93

[@p_934]

Any updates?

[@dragongamer8253]

The Good Thing in Germany we have 102 so you can run over 600 on pump

[@dishonabbs8859]

@kern417 Can you make a video about that dual HPFP Setup and how its controlled?

[@kosditrade]

Great videos. Your turbo setup have many bigger turbo lack then for example pure 800? Your setup can be used for M340i? thank you!

[@speed852]

Some thing I was staring at the entire video is the stock fuel pump at the front of your engine. is that plugged into you system? Or just sitting there? It looked like the fuel rail was attached to it...

[@gautamjana156]

Great channel for B58 platform! Would you be able to make a seperate video for people who want to run MHD Stage 2+ 93 Octane map with TU pump? Would be great to see the gains compared to Stage 2. Also read a few forums that state that there are crazy timing corrections with Stage 2+ TU MHD map and want to clarify if it’s safe to run on a daily. Cheers!

[@kern417]

Yes

[@chiwaicheung2777]

Great video! I'm considering a Dorch Stage 1 with a GC+ turbo on a 2018 B58. Daily driver so will be using 93 pump gas. Would that be enough to support 500 - 550hp? Or should I consider Dorch Stage 2 HPFP?

[@kern417]

It should be enough

[@lukamatic5498]

U never mentioned any meth injection or stuff like this. Hows with meth and pump gas 93 or 95 oct?

[@kern417]

The video is about making power on pump gas. Meth is not pump gas.

[@tontom4822]

Waiting on this one. Flowers on your engine bay🌹After all Germain is a french name, you have to be romantic 😂

[@kern417]

You're giving me ideas

[@tontom4822]

@@kern417 wear a corset like in « le moulin rouge »😂

[@kern417]

🤔😏

[@the_batmobile0.4]

Can tu pump handle DAW on 93 octane? Aiming for 520WHP?

[@universalg_]

Yes. I am running TU pump and many others are running TU pump atm (on hybrid turbos like pure, daw, and gc) and are reaching a healthy 500hp on 93 octane. I think you can reach 520whp with a good custom tune.

[@Nakinakpgm]

Did you just watch the video ? OMG

[@the_batmobile0.4]

@@Nakinakpgm yes I did, no where did he mention if tu can handle daw at 550whp on just 93 octane...OMG

[@kern417]

@@the_batmobile0.4 i said the TU can handle 600whp on 93 and possibly more. The turbo doesn't matter.

[@the_batmobile0.4]

@@kern417 oh ok sorry my bad, I miss that part, I'll watch back the video. It's just that Odin told me something else on what's app

[@chrxme3786]

Would you recommend running MS109 on a stock turbo with an upgraded TU pump? I know I won’t make as much power without an upgraded turbo but would I run into any potential issues on a stock turbo?

[@kern417]

It would work great with a stock turbo. Similar to running ethanol without the risk of crashing fuel pressure

[@zeptiik2434]

If I go stage 2 91 octane because I’m limited, with a pure 800 will I be good? For dd and hitting 500hp?

[@omarelkhazendar7744]

Hey whats your take on direct port meth injection along with pump gas. Direct port meth with a nozzle in the charge pipe or would it be better to just run 1 or 2 nozzles in the charge pipe instead?

[@Sibsko21]

2:50 Question, why is the stock turbo knock limited but the larger turbo isn’t. You’re using the same octane for the same flow on both turbos

[@kern417]

A larger turbo generates less heat.

[@maybehenry]

Would you recommend port injection if you want to stay on 93?

[@juliomorel342]

What is a reliable horsepower target for the B58s? I currently have a CSF manifold with port injection, Visconti flex fuel kit and Stage 1 LPFP, Catless DP and full exhaust. Waiting for my Pure 800 to come in but sadly still on back order. I'm planning for 600whp on e85 for reliability and to save the trans. Thoughts? Any pointers or advice will be greatly appreciated. I am new to BMW motors.

[@kern417]

600-650 is the sweet spot. Some are pushing 700+ with no issues. Keep torque below 650ish ft lbs to save the trans

[@juliomorel342]

@@kern417 Thank you for the response

[@freibelbautista9449]

2016 bmw 340i intake,downpipe, hpfp stage2, 2.5 flowmax turbo on 93 you think i can reach 570 whp? On a custom tune

[@IronPickle420]

Man where's the cereal box

[@kern417]

I spilled the cereal and ate the box

[@rodmanser7573]

So what are we looking at here in your video? No idea where Doc Race gets turbos from... Garrett 35?

[@kern417]

EFR 8374

[@chrisginoc]

New to BMWs and German motors. Why is the tuner in the Instagram post talking about not wanting to push it on pump gas? Does pushing it that hard on pump gas ruin the motor?

[@kern417]

Pump gas is not the best quality fuel. E85 offers higher octane and better cooling. In comparison to E85, you can't make as much power because you could experience knock.

[@amzlife03]

Hey, will a 2020 A90 Supra vrsf catless downpipe that looks like that in picture fit my 2018 BMW 340i?

[@HRaychin]

So if im tuned to ron 98 tu pump downpipe and stage 2+MHD if i upgrage to pure 800 cast tirbo ill not have problems to reach 500+hp even if i dont change tune etc?

[@DeeBananaMan]

Does Vargas GC count as a stage 2 hybrid, not sure what you meant there. I'm trying to get between 500-550 with Downpipe, custom tune, TU and VARGAS GC on 93 octane. I should be able to get between 500-550 right?

[@kern417]

no, it would be considered a stage 1 hybrid. it can get over 500 with some ethanol but it will be difficult to get there on pump gas

[@JeffmanRSA]

Has anyone had any experience with octane boosters like Torco or Boostane with pump gas?

[@xzavierhernandez3056]

What turbo did you have

[@chriskamen2152]

You think the new DAW Hypercore can make over 500 whp on an xdrive car(on 93 with a TU pump)?

[@kern417]

not sure. probably around 450-500 but it depends on fuel quality.

[@lauriebrooking2429]

I dont get how if it is knock/pre-ingnitiin or even end gas ignition limiting your power, that a bigger turbo will help.... Does the bigger compressor bring inlet temps down or something?

[@kern417]

Yes

[@aarontreadwell9824]

Next question then, is there an upgrade for the injectors?

[@kern417]

Not yet

[@whitemtl370]

What the driveability like on a 6870 doc race kit compared to a pure 800/850? Does it take any fun out of being a dd if you’re not at 100%?

[@kern417]

more lag, more room for power up top for daily driving it's probably more than you need but imo the lag isn't that bad. just adjust your driving based on the turbo you're running.

[@EMKAPRJ]

Hello, Whats the difference between e85 and race gas? Since here in europe i can only order small cans of racegas online. So 1 can of racegas on 15 liters of 91ron(95eu) And that should give me european 120 octane. At least what they say. So what is that comparable to e30 tune for example?

[@kern417]

Ethanol and Gasoline are completely different and have different combustion properties. You should not mix race gas with pump gas and run a map designed for ethanol

[@EMKAPRJ]

@@kern417yes yes i understand that but there is an option on MHD app stage 2 racegas (30% hp) I would use that but im wondering is that comparable to e30 tune by power? Im just doing stage 2 tune and would like to put racegas on weekends.

[@kern417]

again, run the ethanol maps with ethanol and the race gas maps with race gas. they are not the same.

[@havefun1226]

To be honest if you want 500hp dont buy a stag1 hybride turbo get a wmi kit should make about 550 at the engine is good for a 7.2 100-200 that is white my m140i xdrive wich is a slower than a rwd m140i

[@kern417]

The point of this video is how you can make power by just filling up at the gas pump like normal. A bigger turbo is far more reliable and less maintenance than a wmi system where you have to worry about keeping your meth tank full, controller failsafes, potential clogged lines/failed pumps, etc

[@bmwsincekid]

Thank You 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@aeronkellan2814]

I’ve been contemplating adding a GC turbo to my fbo 340i that is currently stage 2+ 93 with a dorch stage 1 hpfp. My goal is 500whp with stock like spool on 93. Does anyone have experience with drivability on the GC turbo?

[@onekind1554]

GC turbo has stock like spool but 500whp on 93 would definitely be towards the upper limit without better fueling,

[@aeronkellan2814]

@@onekind1554 I just don’t want to go bigger. Even if it hit only 450-480whp on 93 with my dorch stage 1 hpfp. I’d be happy with it.

[@onekind1554]

@@aeronkellan2814 definitely can hit that with a GC on 93

[@aeronkellan2814]

@@onekind1554 That’d be cool!

[@Famous_Flavours]

You’re gonna be disappointed with a GC. Not worth it unless e40-e50

[@KingJordd]

What’s the max power you think I can get on my m340xdrive to the wheels 93 octane Downpipe Jb4 with EWG connector Everything else stock other than HR sports and wider wheels

[@kern417]

450

[@KingJordd]

@@kern417 nice thanks for the response what’s your estimate if I take a couple trips with an e30 mix

[@KingJordd]

@@kern417 you sure for the m340i? Considering it’s already 382hp crank stock

[@combustionengineforever7734]

How much power would you say tu pump, vrsf high flow catted downpipe, mst intake can make on 93 octane with stock turbo? 340i btw

[@ChrisClifton]

He explains it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/enOqi5KDj6ZoiMU

[@OlikaHUN]

Dorch stage 1, vrsf catted dp made me 460 on crank with ron98

[@combustionengineforever7734]

@@ChrisClifton thanks

[@supitsolivlogs]

I am limited to 93 octane and I would like to get a Doc Race kit to make the most power on that fuel. Do you think an EFR 9274 would be a good option for this? (Doc Race confirmed it will be available). I was thinking the 9274 for pump gas would be better than the 9280 because of the less lag.

[@kern417]

Yes and i absolutely agree with that. 8474 or 9274 will work well

[@supitsolivlogs]

@@kern417 as far as power do you think the 9274 can make similar figures to the 9280? You mentioned in your other video the cold side determines the power rating and the exhaust side the power band.

[@Famous_Flavours]

When does full boost come on with 8474?

[@kern417]

@@Famous_Flavours that depends on how much boost you're running. I would see around 25 PSI at around 3,500 RPM on my setup. A bigger filter would probably spool earlier.

[@supitsolivlogs]

@@kern417 Would you say there is significant difference in the spool time between a 9274 and a 9280?

[@flaviomartinho1753]

Gc i made 530 on pump only.

[@fastshiftauto8941]

Got a instagram? I wanna show u a Scenario which makes no sense to me but according to this tuner mpr1200 big boost kit is perfect fine running 12.8 @1/4 with a trap speed of 112mph on pump gas 90oct which makes no sense to me

[@kern417]

Sure. My ig handle is the same as on here. Kern417

[@fastshiftauto8941]

@@kern417just messaged u bro

[@kosditrade]

Here we have 100ron pump gas also. From 98 ron to 100 ron does it make a difference?

[@OlikaHUN]

Amit itthon 100nak reklámoznak, az is inkább nagyon max 98as, de pl a mol-os inkább 96-7 körül van.

[@kern417]

100 and 102 Will have incremental gains over 98

[@kosditrade]

@@OlikaHUN OMW is?

[@OlikaHUN]

@@kosditrade Igen, elvileg még a shell a legjobb, bár én maradok az omwnel. Ds performance Sanyi csinálta az enyémet, ő mesélte h bemerettek.

[@kosditrade]

@@OlikaHUN köszönöm. Jó itt is magyarokkal találkozni!

[@Vicente007]

What do you think of the of port meth injection? Is this viable for us pump gas guys who want to reach out a bit more to 600-700 on a hybrid?

[@kern417]

yes

[@aydenhall3454]

Hmmmmph, are u a tuner? All the tuner recommend going to dorch stage 2 pump with an upgraded turbo if you wanna go pass 500whp , even on just 93 octane..

[@kern417]

Do you do your own research? Multiple people have posted dynos over 500whp with a TU pump, even on just 93 octane...

[@galoobie]

what song is this

[@frozen_g87]

Darude-sandstorm

[@XandrMotorsports]

@@frozen_g87 Yes

[@tontom4822]

HPFP 2 of them in your engine bay😂😂😂 Few people stating that for power gain you have to upgrade HPFP and also add PI (FBO,Turbo upgrade)???

[@kern417]

No need to complicate things with PI on 93 unless you have a huge turbo on a TU that doesn't have hpfp options available