Can the Mets Build Another Good Rotation Without a True Ace?

[@nik1800]

Without a couple of front line pitchers, results will be same with or with Soto. Main reasons losing to dodgers is pitching.

[@DoloSupreme]

Not committing to a top tier pitcher sounds Wilponish

[@LockedOnMets]

It might seem that way, but after last year I think we should let David Stearns construct his roster the way he sees fit. No one expected both Manaea and Severino to break out the way they did. Maybe Montas is next, and same with Buehler if he signs with the Mets. You just never know

[@DoloSupreme]

@ yes, but this approach is extremely risky when you’re expecting on these pitchers to be “fixed”

[@MashCruMusic]

​@@DoloSupremethen just be anxious about it noone cares

[@7taino]

I don’t think they believe long term in the guys available. I’m ok with it. Get Soto tho

[@garry12777]

​@@LockedOnMets Hope is not a strategy

[@chrisph9910]

Re Soto, just had a thought that Boras wants to make the grand announcement at the GM Meetings, like he did with ARod.

[@mikestiehl3665]

Mets need one of Freid or burnes and another good starter not three projects

[@garry12777]

So... we're forgetting Houser?

[@bena4072]

I get it - 300 innings of two #2 or #3 pitchers for the same or less than 150 innings of #1 ace

[@mjezy9]

we are completely fucked without pitching

[@johncummings5350]

Stearns made a point of saying the Mets are going to be active in the trade market......i have little doubt that thet are planning to get a front line starter through a trade rather than free agency. My crystal ball sees Seattle as a soon to be trade partner.....but i definitely believe something big will happen via trade

[@gaurilla]

You’re thinking Castillo?

[@johncummings5350]

​@@gaurilla Possibly.....I just feel they make good trade partners..... Mets have young talent they are looking for and they have arms that would upgrade our pitching. Maybe I'm wrong and it's not Seattle they make the big trade with but I do believe they will make a big trade for a front end starter. Stearns has plenty of talent that will be blocked positionally because of who is taking that position at the MLB level. At some point talent becomes wasted if you don't move on from it. Stearns will want to show he's capable of putting something big together and it's the right time to do it

[@gaurilla]

@@johncummings5350 excellent take

[@mikestiehl3665]

Why are we building a staff on hope if we’re spending this year ??

[@billywright8252]

Dumpster Davey Stearns strikes again.

[@dashx1103]

If this is accurate, I can’t help but think it is a dangerous game re: Soto. If Stearns is pursuing the strategy of not going after big-name pitching - and even if it is a good “on paper” strategy in-and-of itself - is it possible that it makes Soto question the team’s commitment to “go for it?” I don’t know, obviously… but I wonder.

[@arcadeperfectreviews2653]

Still excited about Franky Montas?

[@ketorising81]

The QO is the only reason we’re out on Burnes. Soto has one, and we don’t want the penalties of signing 2 QO guys. We went further this year with a rotation of #2/#3’s than we did with the double ace setup. Sign Manaea and trade for Castillo. Holmes then becomes the 6 and gets swapped with Megill or Butto if it doesn’t go well.

[@LoSoNBanks22]

Trade for crochett and Bobby miller

[@arcadeperfectreviews2653]

And then we ran into a extremely well hitting team and looked foolish. If your goal is the playoffs then hey, can't argue with results, Sterns will definitely put something together to give us a real shot. If your goal is the championship, we will never get past the dodgers or even a healthy Braves team with a bunch of 3s and 4s.

[@ketorising81]

Trade for Castillo or Crochet if we land Soto. If we don’t get Soto, watch us immediately pivot to Burnes.

[@david97159]

Listen if we have the money we should spend it. One solid long term ace should not be off the table. Dodgers went all in and won, we should do the same. I love manaea and I’m all for bringing him back as a number two but we also NEED a top dog to be top contenders. I just don’t trust kodai being our number one guy, he was originally signed to be our 3 guy he should remain that. DP our number 4 and montas our number 5 we need an ace. Spend the money one long term contract is not gonna hurt anyone. Why would Juan Soto want to come here if we don’t improve the rotation? And what’s the point of bringing in Soto if we don’t bring Pete back? We need to spend daddy’s money this year

[@vincentv1432]

We need as top starter

[@joesutherland9354]

Fans really get to emotional thinking Stearns isn’t going to get an Ace the reports said they werent checking in on Burnes or Fried there is nothing against trades which I’ve said all off-season Stearns will look to add a Ace via trade and the 2 guys that popped up in my head were Garett Crochet or Luis Castillo. IMO Castillo is the perfect Stearns guy and allows the ability to trade a McNeil or Marte to Seattle since they need bats at both positions. What I see as the rotation is Castillo, Manaea, Senga, Peterson & Montas can flip flop between 4/5 starter. I do think Stearns is going to a 6 man rotation hence why you keep hearing they are connected to “reclamation projects” or Clay Holmes types to use that 6th starter to eat innings and give guys an extra days rest in the regular season and come postseason you can have for example a Peterson and Holmes to pitch out of the bullpen to give you 2-3 innings while not having to tax your bullpen.

[@carlosadriangaitan4963]

Is Cohen doing another Willon. Go out and trade for Crochet and sign Burnes or Manea amor both. Fix the bullpen and they should try to trade for Guerrero.

[@brucemarmy8500]

those go-to top pitching prospects have three considerations; Will they be ready immediately? Will they stay healthy, can we keep them from other teams? That verses more bats with patience and contact power to keep up with the Dodgers

[@DoloSupreme]

Based on these signings/interest so far, having Soto on the Mets is like having a Lamborghini beside your trailer park

[@LSharp609]

Selling Soto that the Mets all in...than sign Montas and looking at projets for starters. Soto going to laugh and resign with the Yankees.

[@mikestiehl3665]

Mets should have done manaea burnes Buehler Soto Alonso teoscar and bullpen

[@dashx1103]

@@mikestiehl3665 Is that all? Lol.

[@docnoc66]

Good morning Ryan-I wouldn’t mind signing Bueller because it appears he’s learned how to pitch and he’s just not a fast ball throwing 🔥 thrower I would still try to make a package to obtain crochet from the White Sox. Adding crochet and Bueller along with Montes is a good starting pitching core. By using reclamation projects, the Mets are buying time for their young prospects to develop - therefore more team control.

[@J-tu2pb]

I think they should go after buehler and sign maneaa back. Peterson will also be in the rotation and he was great in 21 starts this past year. I think that should be enough you also need to add some pieces to the bullpen.

[@MadelaineSchmidt]

We need arms asap!

[@jayjayfrmstatefarm9363]

Jakob Junis is the next signing I bet.

[@petercullen2196]

WIth all of these reporters commenting on what the Mets will do regarding pitching, what has David Stearns and Steve Cohen said...NOTHING. So, who do you believe: the reporters or the people making the tight-lipped decisions?

[@terrygudmundson2060]

Yes, they can build a 'good' rotation, but the real question is, can they build a great rotation? In order to have a great rotation you need more than risky high upside guys.

[@kongs-gaming]

People in the comments taking this way to serious all this is just speculations since the mets arent leaking any info everyone is assuming everything just let them cook

[@StarCooki3]

Man we get or are after a lot of ex Yankees - Sevy Badar Montas Holmes Soto etc .. Mendoza connection

[@doncambareri3162]

Mets are trying to build a staff that is not astronomical in cost. Senga, Peterson, and Montas fit that requirement. I fully expect the Mets to trade for Crochet, add Sproat from their farm team, and possibly use Megill/Butto as their 6th starter. All low cost options.

[@GeraldM_inNC]

The names you list might well have a collective e.r.a. over 5.00.

[@arcadeperfectreviews2653]

Even if every reclamation project works out, we will not have half the starting roation the Dodgers do. They eliminated us in large large thanks to our pitching, NOT having a true ace. Senga blew game one, Seriveno blew game three, and we had no starter for game 4. If we had, say, a blake snell, he wins game one and game 5 and he goes on to play the extremely unprepared Yankees. Penny pinching hurt us gravely last year. If we had a true ace and ge got even 2 more wins then the hodge podge of starting pitchers we had in the first half if the season, we dont even need the last day double header. This is a terrible idea. It will NEVER win a world series. Not in a world where a team has snell, Ohtani, Yamamoto, glasnow, and Kirshaw.

[@jayjayfrmstatefarm9363]

If if if if if if if if if.

[@brandonin_ny]

Ohtani is a ? after coming off of surgery. Glasnow and Yamamoto were both injured during parts of last season. Kershaw is old and never performed in the postseason when he was young & healthy. Snell can be great, but he’s not a lock. Dodgers obviously have a lot of potential, but I’m not as scared of their rotation as a lot of people seem to be.

[@arcadeperfectreviews2653]

@brandonin_ny then you're a fool

[@arcadeperfectreviews2653]

@@jayjayfrmstatefarm9363 then let me state what happened. WE LOST. WE LOST THE NLCS. We lost to the Dodgers, who only had 1 good and 2 mediocre starters, and now they have 4 great ones, and we have half the team we had 2 months ago.

[@brandonin_ny]

@@arcadeperfectreviews2653 maybe you’re the fool? Time will tell.

[@jwvvvv]

I can't see Buehler and Montas pitching as well as Manea and Severino did last season. Go out and sign an ace.

[@GeraldM_inNC]

Montas is at best a #5. Buehler is great when healthy, but I don't want someone who has had such severe arm problems.

[@mikestiehl3665]

Unless there getting Roki and trading for an ace not crochet

[@mikestiehl3665]

More like 3 years

[@Joe-j1f]

I’m getting tired of Steve Cohen Man. He is supposed to be here to get the best talent in the world. He is supposed to do with the Dodgers are doing be in on every big name and spend his money! I’m getting frustrated with this man. Why can’t we be on Corbin Burns or Max fried? Come on man this isn’t the fuckin wilpons I’m getting tired of it! N let me be the first to tell you…. I don’t think we’re getting Soto either.

[@carlosadriangaitan4963]

No they can not. It’s time for them to go out and get a couple of bigtine pitchers. Enough of penny pinching. It doesn’t work. They say that want to win then go out and prove it. The Dodgers do. Go out and get studs not projects. Ridiculous.

[@fr2ncm9]

I don't believe that Juan Soto will bring them a championship. He's way overvalued. I'd rather see them land a frontline starter bolster the bullpen and add a good DH and an outfielder. Next year. Kyle Tucker and Vladimir Guerrero. I don't believe that Soto is a team player.

[@mjezy9]

PLEASE KEEP MANAEA UGHHH

[@RandyKirkessner]

Mets over years has not had much success signing top tier starters.. Verlander, Scherzer, Senga, and throw DeGrom in there.. Always get hurt...

[@RandyKirkessner]

Plus believe it will be a six man rotation . Need to get best bullpen as possible that's what truly hurt them in post season. Just could not get anyone out. Definitely need a couple good lefties and real good 8th man that can also close if Diaz struggles

[@mikestiehl3665]

He will cost more them montas

[@carlosadriangaitan4963]

They trade for a center fielder who can’t hit. Enough of this garbage. Go get stars like the dodgers or they will keep falling short. Trade McNeil Baty Marte. Let Alonso walk and go out and get some studs.

[@peterthegreat6687]

Mets fans are annoying. Let stern do thia thing. This isnt mlb the show, trust in the mets FO

[@tacklebaseball1078]

Trevor Bauer comes cheap..

[@billywright8252]

No.

[@Mike-rh8ii]

Stop trying to juice these pictures up. They’re all past their prime. They’re not young guys. We’ve seen them play if that’s really the direction Cohen is taking I’m gonna be very disappointed

[@LockedOnMets]

You could’ve said the same thing about Manaea and Severino a year ago. Severino was the worst pitcher in baseball in 2023 and he looked great last year. Stearns is signing these guys based on potential future ability, not what they’ve done in the past.

[@Mike-rh8ii]

@@LockedOnMets I do agree with that take and that comparison, but don’t we want 100 win season? Don’t we want rotation that can match up against the Braves rotation when they’re healthy and the Dodgers rotation? I thought 2024 off-season was about getting the Mets to that level not repeating what we did with Scherzer and Verlander both had more of an upside than the signings you referring to

[@jayjayfrmstatefarm9363]

@@Mike-rh8iiwhat did 100 win season get in 2022? Again, yall just looking for big name splashes so yall can pound yall chest & front run on social media. Yall don’t want a good baseball team.

[@Mike-rh8ii]

@@jayjayfrmstatefarm9363thats a pretty ignorant statement what you’re saying is you think signing Buehler and Montes makes a better team than going after Fried and Burnes? Signing guys past their prime and trying to develop them isn’t what’s going to get any team past the Braves or Dodgers

[@TenthScissors70]

​@@Mike-rh8iisorry but I'm going to trust Stearns more than random youtubers.

[@CALIFORNIASGV626]

Dream on u will never get walker buehler

[@mikestiehl3665]

They will if they offer a 4 year deal

[@dashx1103]

Why?

[@jackburke9364]

Dream on

[@johndidonato2077]

I don't know why they're still in on social Boston Red Sox

[@johndidonato2077]

You guys on KZbin don't know your ass from your elbow all right the Mets are not making no big moves I'll bet you $1,000

[@johndidonato2077]

And social has signed with the Boston Red Sox 240 million for 14 years get your facts right

[@dashx1103]

Uh, “social?”

[@brandonin_ny]

@@johndidonato2077 John, go play in traffic and stop wasting peoples time.

[@johndidonato2077]

Listen to pickle Stein I don't know if you're a dill pickle listen the Mets are not making any big moves why all you guys on KZbin keep lying to the fans

[@dashx1103]

You claimed “social” (I’m assuming you meant Soto) has signed with the Red Sox for $240 mil over 14 years. Who is lying here? 😂

[@brianreise2449]

“ Pickle Stein “ I see what you did there, brilliant 👏 John DILDOnato

[@carlosadriangaitan4963]

No they can not. It’s time for them to go out and get a couple of bigtine pitchers. Enough of penny pinching. It doesn’t work. They say that want to win then go out and prove it. The Dodgers do. Go out and get studs not projects. Ridiculous.