Can The Quest 3 Keep Your Vision (Myopia) From Getting Worse!?

With the increase of myopia in the population, One of the biggest fears of using VR (virtual reality) headsets is how it could possibly affect the eyes. Can VR or the Meta Quest 3 make you more nearsighted, increase myopia? In this video, Dr. EyeGuy reviews a study that shows it potentially could do the opposite, and actually slow myopia down. Is that even possible?
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IN THIS VIDEO
Myopia Progression is now being labeled as an epidemic. Projections are showing around 50% of the world will be nearsighted by the year 2050. Because of this, a lot research, and potential treatment options are being heavily studied. Many treatments for myopia control or myopia progression are now being offered. One worry with the increase use of virtual reality headsets or head mounted devices, is the possible effect it has on myopia. With mixed studies, one study shows it could have a potential to play a role in myopia control and slow down the myopia progression. Of course, more research is needed with a better design to the study, but it still makes you wonder.
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[@leslortan2381]

I am 69 years old and have been a computer programmer since the 70s. I have a Quest 2 and now a Quest 3. I use the Quest 3 now several hours a day because I find it far more comfortable on the eyes than both computer monitors and TVs. I also find that I am far less reliant on my reading glasses for reading printed material and text on my phone. Has there been any studies regarding older people? Why does it seem we are always neglected/ignored when it comes to these types of issues?

[@gorga8618]

hehe 69

[@romanbeljak1609]

Cuz typical 69 year olds struggle with operating a button phone let alone VR or watching KZbin

[@rodackor]

Thanks for sharing, also trying to use the Q3 as a monitor replacement, would not call it comfortable but I hope that this will help with overconvergence of my eyes.

[@MaggieKB]

I have a macular pucker in one eye. That eye's image is distorted and shifted and has a blind area. In VR, my vision is nearly normal or should I say, my brain doesn't have to work as hard to ignore the bad eye. It is so wonderful that I use VR to take a vacation from bad vision and see so much better. BTW, it also works in a similar way using Rokid Max AR glasses. In fact, after just a few minutes in VR, while playing a game or watching videos etc, I forget that I have this problem at all. It is life changing.

[@DrEyeGuy]

Wow, thank you for sharing. This is a condition that I never would have thought of that could be helped with VR.

[@ahmed_mohamed_alamer]

Maggie vr can make eye strain dry eyes increase your stigmatism and you have enough problems in your eyes my advise to play with it not more than once in week

[@MaggieKB]

@@ahmed_mohamed_alamer Thank you for your concern. I have researched using VR as a way to improve vision and to even correct some visual problems. A company called Vivid Vision is pioneering using VR for this purpose. There seems to be little information about it drying eyes and worsening astigmatism. I do agree that overuse of screens and the lack of blinking can cause problems. However, for me, the benefit of seeing more normally far outweighs the downsides. It is dramatic. Also, since fogging the lenses is an issue with VR, the humidity in the headset has to be high, making the dry eyes less prevalent.

[@rosanna3765]

Sounds like what I have. Never heard of that term before.

[@DrEyeGuy]

@@ahmed_mohamed_alamer Can you provide any research/evidence of the increase in astigmatism? Strain and Dry eyes can be documented, even with normal gaming and screen use.

[@mrvain221]

This answered A LOT of the questions swirling around in my head lately. I have divergence insufficiency (esotropia at distance) and I've been doing vision therapy for over 2 years. I went from seeing in 2D (most of the time and wearing prisms) to seeing in 3D (most of the time) and no prisms. However, as I went through vision therapy, I learned my eyes were constantly working overtime (looking hard) in order to fuse images. So they would get tired fast as the day progressed. This is where VR comes in... I tried it years ago and found I would get motion sickness sometimes and eye strain (this is pre-vision therapy), so I quickly gave up on it. But after completing the VT course and gaining conscious control over my eyes, I decided to give VR another try. And to my surprise... I can handle VR for hours and not feel eye strain or sickness. It's amazing!! In fact... through every session of VR, I feel my eyes are able to relax at distance better and I can maintain stereopsis vision a lot longer. I just needed to understand the why and how.. and I think this video did an amazing job explaining the potential reasons why VR could be the thing my eyes and brain needed to bring all the processes I learned in vision therapy, together.

[@rodackor]

I have the same issue, maybe VR will help

[@hughmac7423]

I've been playing with VR for 6 years and I'm short signted, have been since I was 10, and I'm 60 now. I get my eyes checked each year, and new lenses in my glasses every 3 years. My short signtedness has been reducing, the eye Doc puts that down to getting older and my skin or cells "thickening". I've had no problems with my eyes from using VR for years, I think it is less harmful than using computer screens for 80% of my 10 hrs work day and then at home for gaming. When I first started using VR, I noticed that when outside, everything appeared to be more 3D or I was more aware on the depth perception.

[@rodackor]

Great input, let us hope so

[@zionaikens2345]

VR keeps my eyes focused and has strengthened my strabismus in my right eye.

[@firagabird]

Great discussion! As a VR lover that also has had myopia since elementary, I'm really invested in keeping my myopia in check. After my own research, I learned that due to the VAC (vergence-accommodation conflict) and Quest 3's focal distance being (probably) 1.3m/6ft, objects in VR would always appear the sharpest at that distance as well. If I combined wearing my glasses (eyesight focusing at 6ft), using the virtual monitor in Virtual Desktop (highest preservation of detail), and set the monitor 6ft away and covering most of my FOV, I could read fine print more clearly up to 1728p resolution. This has the potential to be a sustainable use case for productivity (e.g. having several program windows open side by side) as well as very high res gaming.

[@DrEyeGuy]

Stuff like this makes me wonder how integrated VR will be in our normal lives in 20 years. Thanks for sharing!

[@sandmaster4444]

Just a small note: 1.3m approx 4 ft not 6 ft But maybe you can play with your desktop distance to make your brain/eyes "use the distance muscles" to train against myopia

[@watcherworld5873]

I had two instances of very strange experience with the Quest 3. I am nearsighted and normally everything is blurred when I use the helmet without contacts. But, I noticed that on two occasions, my eyesight was extraordinarily clear without contacts on. It was really unexpected. Now, it may just be that my eyes were focusing on the parts of the pancake lenses that corrected my vision. No idea what is going on, I just thought I share my experience. Oh BTW, I am looking forward to your prescription inserts review for Quest 3. Thanks for all the information.

[@SjaakSchulteis]

Hi, this is interesting indeed. I'm 66 now and I'm playing in VR about six years now. Besides that: I moved from the Netherlands to Thailand, where there is a lot more light in the daytime. What I noticed is that my eyes, my nearsightness has become better. The glasses I was wearing had become too strong and I got a blurred vision. I noticed that when I bought prescription lenses for my Quest2, which I had adapted by my opticien. Shortly after I got my lenses, I could not see a sharp image in my headset. It was significantly better when I took the lens out. So my optician measured my eyes again and one of my eyes needed less strong correction. So I don't know if this is because gaming in VR, the brighter light in Thailand (my pupils are smaller) or that I'm aging. With the Quest3 and Pico4 I bought prescription lenses with the lowest degree and for both I see very good with the lenses, whereas the picture of the Quest3 is astonishingly sharp. I have the feeling that playing games in VR helped my eyesight improved, but also my age is a part of it. In fact all three circumstances. I still can't watch TV without glasses, but when I use my old glasses, the picture is blurred. Not because of my nearsightness, but because the old glasses are too strong.

[@LipnoxVR]

Your channel really exploded, huge congrats man

[@DrEyeGuy]

Thank you! It's been super exciting and fun. Hopefully I can keep helping people as mush as possible.

[@BitRaiser]

Fun fact, my use of VR helped catch an issue with a wandering eye acting up that I wasn't aware of and by leaning hard intonthe VR, I've actually managed to reduce the effect.

[@MsHojat]

Yes VR has proven to be excellent therapy and correction for various types of misaligned eye conditions. I've heard it even gave excellent sight to a guy who was effectively blind due to severely misaligned eyes.

[@phylozix11]

I been curious about this topic since I been dealing with a disability and been just using VR as I have been out of work for 7 years. I been nearsighted before VR and I never use my glasses unless I was out of the house so I probably haven't been seeing things far for a while. In VR though since it's a screen close to your eyes with a light source behind I never needed to use glasses or contacts to see far away. I did notice now when I try wearing glasses I can see very clear and I can see SDE when I couldn't before. My eyes would hurt after 20 mins so I didn't wear them again. I got the PSVR2 and Quest 3 that has a higher resolution and noticed not being able to see far away things clear anymore. I believe it's the lower resolution made things appear closer so now I went and got prescription lenses for them but got a weaker prescription because I feel like for close range things I can see fine with out glasses but with them on it hurts my eyes seeing things up close unless it's weaker strength. I now can see closer things and farther away in VR. My issue now is my eyes hurt in longer sessions and when I use my glasses outside of VR. I am wondering if it's better to just go without lens inserts sometimes to help.

[@sandmaster4444]

A related question: does the eye change shape when presented with a small image/text that is close up vs a larger but farther image/text *that takes up the same field of view*? If so, could this have any eye muscle training potential?

[@AK-dz7we]

Hi, Can you please make a video about Chalazion? My son is 20, and we can't get rid of it. Can a warm compress cause inflammation of the chalazion? Thank you, I would appreciate it.

[@thoreberlin]

From my peronal experience i can definetly say that i feel like i can see better after a VR session. But i thought it might be caused by suddenly having full resolution back after only having 25 ppd in the HMD for a while.

[@rosanna3765]

I've been super nearsighted in my right eye all my life. Basically it's shaped like a lemon instead of a ball. About 20 years ago something popped in the back of my eye and I started losing my center vision over the years. I'm basically center blind in my right eye now, although my Peripheral vision is ok. I basically have a balance lens in my glasses. I just started the quest 2 and I was worried that it wouldn't work well as I have no depth perception. There is nothing I can do with my blind eye, but I'm worried about my other eye getting damaged.

[@leslortan2381]

Oh. I forgot to add that I don't use the Quest to play games. I primarily use it as an alternative computer monitor and big screen content. Especially for watching 3d content and I have bought a 3d camera to record content because I have been so blown away by these devices.

[@ExtremCoxer]

It is better to edit or reply to your own original comment if you want to add more information, cause typically the main comments aren't in chronological order in the comments section, but replies are.

[@leaftye]

What users were emmetropic, does that mean they didn't wear their eyeglasses or contact lenses?

[@MsHojat]

I would expect that like 20 hours a week for 3 years would be required of subjects to get any good idea on the effects of VR. The amount of use in these studies is nothing.

[@DrEyeGuy]

That's a good point. It really does beg the question how big the study would need to be to actually determine the effects with any accuracy.

[@gsingh1548]

I got double vision in one eye few days ago what should i do ? Will it go away on its own as i was not having it earlier.

[@DrEyeGuy]

I actually did a video of some possible causes to double vision in one eye: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZmbQlpaFobiYqNE For sure go get your eyes checked for sure to find out the exact cause though.

[@PaulDFreed56]

Hi There, I’m wondering if you have ever encounter this with VR. I have been using the quest 3 for 2 years with no problem other than dry eyes which I use drops for. My quest was broken so meta sent me a refurbished one. The first time I tried it a few days ago I took it off and my wife said , “look on the mirror”. The skin around my eyes was very very white and puffy . There was no discomfort but something was terribly wrong. It was quite dramatic. I’ve reached out to Meta but wondered if you have ever heard this . I’m not using it again till Meta responds .

[@PaulDFreed56]

BTW I’m 67 years old

[@DrEyeGuy]

Wow.. I haven't heard of this. Was the device really tight and cutting off the circulation?

[@PaulDFreed56]

@@DrEyeGuy no and when I. He led online and with my optometrist he was convinced it was an allergic reaction, possibly hives, caused by an irritant in the facial interface. It was a refurbished unit which means they had to clean it prior to giving it to me . Meta has said that they take health issues very seriously. They have yet to reply after 5 days.

[@charleschchu]

I can use vr for hours and not feel any eyestrain as opposed to maybe 30 mins on my phone. That’s actually the whole reason I came to this video

[@user-ij6xw6ng1f]

I've had a Qest 3 for a week and have used it every day. Now my retina is burned, my eyes hurt and are totally dry. the qest 2 was more pleasant. Now I have to see what I can do so that I can use it again without getting problems.

[@LibertyAllMyLife]

you are not alone

[@user-re1ud6sq1s]

Why is this happening

[@Tropical-]

Since I got my VR headset last Christmas, my prescription stayed the same for a whole year

[@lexington476]

Well not the same device, at a job I used to work at we had gotten in a set of Microsoft HoloLens. Being in the IT department, I got to set them up, or at least try 😀... However having alternating strabismus, I couldn't use them, I could not see the images properly with the headset on 🧐, it was a bit disorienting 🙂. Had to hand it over to a coworker to set up. These are definitely cool technical devices, and as a person who works with technology I like them, but if you can't see straight 😀😃😄😃😀.

[@DrEyeGuy]

You are spot on! Some eye conditions can really be amplified in VR.

[@dave_camz]

Well this is crazy. I’ve recently starting using quest 3 for sim racing which is amazing. I am short sighted so need plus 1.5 glasses for reading, pc screen etc. my long site is fine. Now I’ve been using about a week so short time but my short sight vision seems to be improving. Surly not 😂

[@LestestsdeNico]

i've been playing a lot with my Quest 3 these last 2 months and i have the feeling my presbyopia is gone ! 😮

[@petesilvers5053]

I thought I'd need corrective lenses with quest 3 but it's clear as day?

[@DrEyeGuy]

That's great. Do you normally need glasses for 4 feet out?

[@petesilvers5053]

@@DrEyeGuy ...no , just closeup work 12 inches or less....

[@FERNANDOPENAS]

I use VR since 2010 and my eye sight has significantly worsened since then.

[@dorankim9654]

Does it help with lazy eye?

[@DrEyeGuy]

There are some "amblyopia" training programs with VR. Mainly to help with a lazy vision eye. It's still being researched at the moment.

[@Russia-with-krafi_bn]

To be honest I study about endmyopia a lot . Their business model is a scam. But some significant topic is correct. Anyway, your ciliary muscle will lock on vr because if you want to see clearly you it needs to be closed up mode. It sounds like it's more bad then any other devices.. still if vr company start recommend some + lenses with vr that's awesome 😎

[@egs-zs8-127]

I’ve been hesitant about using VR due to the unknown effects on our vision. I’m so glad I found your channel, it’s exactly what I needed!

[@victorcotu]

What a joke has become research in the medical field.

[@jeffdeprey6279]

The people in this video should get newer VR headsets, those look 10 years old, maybe with cell phones in them on something. Eww.

[@BigislandEJ]

Micro plastics