Can These SHORT Dogs Hunt?...10MM vs .357 Magnum Federal Fusion AMMO Test!

[@MattsYoutubeChannel]

I ain't gonna name any names, I'll just say thanks for sticking to actual useful and interesting gun content like you have from day one, and not going off the deep end into freak territory. Keep em comin Tools.

[@DasGoodSoup]

Say some names cause that sounds kinda cool

[@scottstewart5784]

@@DasGoodSoup He's not talking about anybody in a state that rhymes with flentucky.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate ya, brother!😎👊

[@billdye3530]

When attacked by a closet full of towels I know what to put in my 627. 😂 Wait & see how it does out of a carbine barrel in 10mm or 357 lever gun. Not very impressive out of short barrels.

[@adamsaylor7427]

Seconded

[@hphillips7425]

This is the calmest I’ve ever seen you when doing a 10mm test. 😂

[@ToolsandTargets]

😂😂😂

[@rayburn8282]

Please don't get him started lol

[@nataliedeyton6829]

Glad you mentioned the fact the semi autos are not the actual barrel lengths. No body ever says that .. a 3 inch barrel is really around a 2 inch .. we get cheated 😂

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep😆

[@texasbeast239]

@natalie Not sure if you're using your own account, or a dude borrowing your woman's account...but leave it to a woman to point something Like THIS out! 🤪🤣

[@carlschumacher3257]

the 4.6 10mm glock will have an "actual" barrel length of 3.34". 4.6" minus 1.260" (the maximum case overall length of a 10 mm round).

[@ChristopherKnN]

Most ported revolvers too.

[@twistedfocus]

True, however a revolver has some gas loss from the cylinder gap. I wonder if anyone has ever directly tested this. I wonder if they’re actually close or if the revolver still has the upper hand on velocity. Granted, variances in cylinder gap and limited guns in crossover calibers might make that hard to test.

[@robertkelly5244]

Thanks!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate that bigtime!😎👊

[@dietrichjohnson9556]

Fusion in .308 and 6.5 CR get fantastic expansion. I am surprised the 357 didn't expand with the velocity. However I can say for handgun hunting all I use anymore is underwood hardcast. 10mm and 357. The underwood packs the punch for penetration . You will pick up some more speed with a G40 but It doesn't look like it would be enough to do anything. Great info!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I was surprised by the .357 too.🤷‍♂️

[@TeensierPython]

I had failures to expand on these fancy rounds. I stick to hard cast as well.

[@garysarratt1]

I use a 9” Lone Wolf barrel on my G40, it seems to do well. Also, this round in 6.8 SPC2 works great on deer.

[@blurryface1975]

what would be the performance difference between a hard cast bullet and a soft point bullet that doesnt expand?

[@dietrichjohnson9556]

@@blurryface1975 same bullet weight not much, Typically hard cast loads are heavier. for example in 10mm I run 220 gr Underwood hardcast. Those will way out penetrate a 180 gr non expanding HP. I am using them for Hunting not for 2 legged social work.

[@KPHVAC]

I'd love to see a video with your favorite ammo for each caliber. 9mm, 10mm, 357 Magnum, etc. Or maybe a video compilation of the best ammo tested in the last year.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Not a bad idea.🤔

[@steelpunisher6944]

Wow! Not quite what I was expecting at least from the .357. Being that it exceeded the box velocity. But very good info to know. I would have viewed this ammo as a hunting round…. Until now. Lol. Thanks for another great test! 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

The .357 definitely confuses me since it hit their velocity and even their site says 4 inch test barrel.🤷‍♂️

[@mkshffr4936]

Since hard cast are common hunting rounds these seem like good options. Seems like most critters would be leaking from both sides with some busted bones and good tissue damage along the way. Would really like to see that 357 (and the 44 mag for that matter) out of a rifle.

[@alexandermfernandez9283]

Definitely intended to be used as a hunting round , but who would know this unless they watched your video .Thank you for these test , T&T !

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Really appreciate that!😎👊

[@kevinramsey4673]

Great tests Tools. Hunting bullets have a different desired effect than self defense. Penetration is what's everyone wants. Two blood leaks versus one.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@dkdogs]

Personally, I think this is a great deer round in 10mm

[@tundranomad]

Since they're for hunting, maybe shoot both into bare gel to see if they would expand at all? Great episode though!

[@ToolsandTargets]

My thought is that hide on a living target would be even tougher than the clothing barrier I use so bare gel wouldn't do much good for testing hunting stuff. Maybe not? At any rate, I'm definitely gonna test em through some rifle length barrels as soon as I can.😎👊

[@tundranomad]

@@ToolsandTargets Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about the hide possibility as well. It's disappointing how so many bullets to live up to the hype/price.

[@PerceptionVsReality333]

This round & Federal champion JSP 158 grain are my favorite rounds for the woods in my 6" Ruger GP100 stainless. I one time lined up a 4x4, 2x4, one 1" ply board sheet & the Federal champion round passed right through. The 357 magnum hits like a sledgehammer through 6" barrels. BTW that Federal champion round is rated at 1,240 fps but I get around 1,460 fps.

[@stephenwilliams9440]

Interesting video. I actually was going to use these in both 10 and 357 for handgun hunting. After seeing this I think Ill stick to using them in my carbines. It looked like they, at least one of them, slightly thought about opening. If they do open I bet they would make a real pretty mushroom.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, I was really curious to see em opened up. Hopefully a long barrel will change that.😎👍

[@johncoleman2495]

I'll bet you they open up in bare gel!

[@bighat291]

Definitely don’t use them to shoot a deer that’s wearing denim.

[@keithreese9636]

Another great review Tools! I'm gonna stick with 180gr xtp handloads @ 1700+ fps in my 357 marlin 18.5" or Buffalo Bore's 180gr hard cast for deer & hogs. Thanks again great job!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@travisbell9014]

I was hoping the 357 wouldn't mushroom out of the short barrel. I've picked up several boxes for my Henry. I'll be looking forward for the long barrel test.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@goodnewseverybody739]

Yeah not a fail, if it expands out of a pistol, it’ll probably fragment from a rifle.

[@JoeA418]

I was actually going to request this vary test, i don't know how i missed this, the 10mm seemed like it had a little bit more terminal ballistics, but that 357 mag held its own really good. I would feel confident with either one. Great video as always 👍

[@CeltKnight]

I completely agree with you on your opinion of 10mm ammo. Well, I mean, agree with you on pretty much everything, but this is about 10mm. I have several .40 S&W pistols but if I were to have a 10mm pistol and load it with 10mm ammo, I would expect to have something a heck of a lot punchier than .40 S&W. "10mm Lite" is just silly and too many manufacturers seem determined to short us on power. I don't currently own a 10mil, but I do, I accept the greater weight and size only to get greater power. Now, as to these two rounds, they definitely seem meant for carbines. I mean, I guess these would do in a pinch for hunting/varmints, and such, but there are better rounds for handguns for sure. Anyway, as always, great test, lots of good information. Thanks!

[@Dwayne7834]

I know it’s short barrels for both. But was expecting a little bit of expansion. Good Test Tools. Thanks for sharing.

[@iplaypaintballalot]

Thanks for making consistently interesting and informative videos on KZbin. Most slept on guntuber on KZbin

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that!😎👊

[@noahmercy-mann4323]

Thank you for the test, sir! I agree with your assessment that they would be at their best from a carbine or rifle, but a thought occurred to me (and YES, it DID hurt!) that they may not be designed to function against cloth. It may be worth trying them through some fresh hide to see if they expand more reliably.

[@dmw3086]

Shot a 158 grain at water jugs(I know it’s not ballistics gel but it’s what I have available) and the fusion performed almost identical to other 158s I’ve tried stopped in the 4th jug and expanded perfectly

[@philiptheriault7953]

These rounds would be monster's out of 16" barrels. Thanx for the video Tools.

[@steel1911]

Super interesting as I use both the 357mag and 44mag fusion ammo in my hiking/camping guns. They all have 4" or less barrels too . In 44 they perform well even in a sub 2.5". I just assumed the 357mag fusion would be the same as 44 with shorter barrels guess not. I choose this round because I hike in black bear and some inland grizzly county so you don't what crazy fast expansion. If anything slow to none for better penetration. I did my own 4 layer cloth with 1/8" thick wood gel test using fusion 44mag with 629 2.5" sub barrel. 1210FPS with good expansion and 29" penetration. I was happy for my use and bought 200 more rds in 44mag. I May have to test or rethink the 357mag fusion ammo with short barrels now.

[@pewpewTN]

Federal underloads their ammo in almost every caliber. I know the Federal 5.7x28 is actually loaded by Fiocchi, but I pulled the projectiles, put a proper charge, re-seated the bullet & got a giant 400 FPS increase in velocity. That's not even pushing it all the way to the top end either. So I'm not surprised their fancy 10mm is still underloaded.

[@theshapeexists]

The way that 357 entered the gel was just so nasty and violent. Man, i couldnt imagine getting blasted by that. Yowzas. You have the best ammo testing channel on KZbin.

[@texasbeast239]

Alaskan Ballistics shot the 10mm Fusion through several handgun barrel lengths into a cut of meat and wet newspaper. They all experienced mangled expansion (manglespansion?), which limited penetration tremendously. It's a shame, because Fusion apparently replaced Federal Trophy Bonded, which used to expand predictably and prettily from handguns.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@johnnymccann5607]

for 357mag ii get more consistent expansion out of Remington sjhp 125 and 158 gr. i think it shows hst on the boxes. but for dangerous game i would reload 180 gr gc fp like buffalo bore. reloading 45acp +p ,45super, 44mag i get wonderful expansion with xtp. papa enjoyed the video. 😊

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@choppermike3329]

I got a six inch colt .357. Love it. Thanks for the test! 👊🏻👍🏻😎

[@ronaldbarnes8302]

Another nice jelly test Tools! My stepson lives in Alaska, and has seen big toothy critters in the wild. From easy to carry tools I believe they would work when you want good penetration in case a bear decided dinner was served. Definitely curious how they perform in longer barrels. Thanks for the test!

[@paulmo-we1mw]

Hey Tools, thanks for another great test as always. Keep up the good work Sir!👍👍👊💥💥

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate ya!😎👊

[@larryperry5696]

Ran the 200 gr 10mm out of my Kodiak. 6". Average was 1220 fps.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nice😎👊

[@josephpacchetti5997]

Disappointing for sure, back in my LEO days, My duty and EDC was the 357 Magnum with the Remington 125-gr SJHP and a small caliber semi-auto for backup, Thanks Brian. 👍🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥😎👊💥

[@josephpacchetti5997]

Enjoyed It Brian, Thanks again. 👍@@ToolsandTargets

[@johnnyv.223]

The more I think about it, you're right. These bullets are just too sturdy for the loads that they made for them. The .357 Magnum bullet might be better suited to a 35 Whelen load. That '06 case will really drive them puppies downrange. Good stuff for deer, boars, and even for Zombies! 🤠👍

[@johnnyv.223]

I like your theory about a longer bbl length for these rounds. A 16" lever gun for the .357, and whatever you can come up with for the 10mm(the CMMG Banshee is 8"), up to 16 or 18" would give you better velocity. I don't know, but I believe that a longer bbl might also heat the lead up more, and make it softer. Good penetrators in any case. Thank you for this one, Sir!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Really anxious to get my longer 10mm.😎👊

[@wadelucero6461]

I'm glad I read your comment so I wouldn't repeat that's my thought too about the cmmg I bet every failed 10mm would pass with 8 to 10in barrel 👍👍

[@cgsimons1187]

I've seen some .357 Mag soft points really expand from a lever action carbine. Though it might even be a bit too much expansion for the purpose of hunting anything large because the penetration drops substantially.

[@mfallen6894]

I've been thoroughly unimpressed with much of Federal's revolver projectiles, and for the price, their factory loads as well. I like their "fusion" line in rifle chambering's, it's a barn-burner in .500smith (but what isn't when it comes to that round, lol) but I've really not cared for it in .44 and .454. Underwood used to be my go-to for factory price-performance ratio, but it's just as expensive as Buffalo Bore in my LGS these days... Glad primers are finally starting to trickle back in as I was getting really sick of paying $40 for a box of of 20 Federal "hunting" loads that don't seem to work any better than plain old soft points when Underwood/BB are no where to be found. Not sure if they make it in .357 or 10mm, but if one can find PPU (Privi Partisan, Czech company I believe) it's one of the best factory loadings that is still relatively affordable in .44mag; no reason to believe it wouldn't be great in other similar handgun rounds. Picked it up at the start of the shortage and liked it so much I went back and bought an entire case before they put box limits in place. Ran it in my M69, 7.5" Redhawk, and 1894 and is one of the few rounds I've found that each gun liked. Great brass for re-loading, consistent/accurate, projectile mushrooms about as well as a soft point can, and it's a good bit hotter than comparable 50rd "cheap" boxes from American Eagle, Win White box, etc. I routinely see it for about $48 for a box of 50, whereas AE/Win are about $70/box (and I was paying ~$30 not even 4 years ago... crazy) Everything I've tried from Privi has been excellent. I know it has nothing to do with Federal Fusion, lol.

[@edwardbiasi37]

Not what I expected. The federal fusion line of ammo has always been great in the rifle calibers we have, and I figured it would be great in the handgun calibers too. Thanks for the vid!

[@virtuaguyverify]

Exactly what I expected... paying premium on rifle calibers... they pull a quick one on pistol calibers, knowing people will buy it from reviews of the rifle

[@ogie4893]

Yeah man. Trust me yes yes yes. We know how you are about 10 mil. It's very appreciated. I feel the same way.

[@bobyjones3905]

I’ve used a 44 mag for hunting I plan on trying the Smith 357 I got recently with a 7 inch barrel

[@douglasmanning-c7p]

Tools, good work as usual. Remember how flat points sometimes penetrate more than round nose? That's because roundnose tends to tumble or tilt. The flatnose is more balanced. This divit may balance the bullet more and actually increase penetration. After all it is a hunting round. May be they think they need it. As a thought, I wonder what would happen if you tried two more rounds without the cloth? Thanks again for all you do.

[@williamgaines9784]

The Fusion bullet on the 357 looks very much like some Blazer Brass 357 158s I have. I like American Eagle 158s in my 357 rifles, doing almost 1800 fps from a 20" Rossi 92. I will have to chrono those Blazers.

[@steveb6103]

Federal and Blazer are owned by the same company.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Interesting

[@Texas2Step79]

You sing the song of my people... magnums and big bores

[@ToolsandTargets]

🎼💥🎼

[@philipfreeman72]

2 holes ALWAYS beats 1 when hunting . Most hunters use 6 inch min. bbl.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, it surprised me to see they list 4" as the test barrel for these .357 on their site.

[@johncoleman2495]

As always, fantastic work! And great video!!! Im 100% with you on full power 10mm and the same goes for all the weak half assed commercial .357 magnum! And .38 super as well.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@richardhillier442]

Always enjoy your visits Tools😊

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@sbtiger556]

I’ve tested ALL the best / premium 10mm rounds. The most devastating wound channel I’ve ever seen even from a rifle, was Double Taps 125 grain SCHP. Although it says it retains its weight, the pedals always shear off. Despite this the permanent wound channel is absolutely incredible. I’ve seen it 5”x6”x11” Yet the base is separated from the pedals. I think the speed is too high at 1600 FPS. But with 738 ft-lbs of energy, it’s the real deal.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Buffalo Bore 180 grain is the only 10mm for me.

[@chretired]

Nice test today Tools. Again the 10mm is a waste of time. I was surprised by the 357, thought it would do better. Just another case of manufactures misleading the shooting public. They need to start listing what these rounds are really intended for, especially the barrel length. Be vigilant and always be safe my friend.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I was surprised myself.

[@acid6urns]

10mm isn’t a waste if you get ammo that is actually loaded to REAL 10mm specs, real properly loaded 10mm is more powerful than a .357 and is starting to approach .41 mag in power.

[@k9m42]

@@acid6urns best loaded 10mm is similar to mediocre 357 rounds. Not even on the same planet as hot 357 loads.

[@acid6urns]

@@k9m42 buffalo bore hard cast is at 783 ft lbs and buffalo bore is literally THE ‘hot ammo’ company. 10mm can get up to 760 ft lbs. you can MAYBE get 357 up slightly over 800 ft lbs if you load it as hot as safely possible. but a 50 ft lb difference at those energy numbers is insignificant.

[@denniscraig6022]

Good video! I'm looking forward to the longer barrel 10mm .

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I am too. Hopefully it will be here this week!😎👊

[@MegaBait1616]

J.M. that's a good idea replacing those wires on your chrony with wood dowels .... I just bent one of the wires.......As always 👍👍.........

[@MegaBait1616]

J.M. ='s Jelly Man...........

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I broke one pulling it out of the bag so I had to use a metal one. Gotta keep more extras.😆

[@mikebrown9997]

That Ruger security six .357 is in stainless steel and came with wood grips, but I changed it to a softer rubber grip.

[@thestoic5381]

Fusion is a great hunting Round in Rifle calibers. It is heavily bonded for extreme velocities to maintain its weight through Muscle and Bone. It is one of the favorites here in Alaska for heavy Game. I suspect the construction is just too robust for Handgun use.

[@ToolsandTargets]

They have been great in the rifle rounds I've tested.😎👍

[@johnw391]

I waited to buy fusion in 10mm until after your review but I went ahead and bought sig v crown in 10mm. I use the brand in 300 blk out out of a 16 inch AR

[@gwidwock]

Good Federal 357 self defense ammo is the tried and true Hydra-Shok low recoil and the 357 HST. I would like to see a gel test on the goofy looking .38 SPL HST along with the .38 SPL Hydra-Shok. Thanks for the video, I enjoyed it.

[@PassivePortfolios]

If either round hits a bone, expansion might be better. If the bullet hits a big bone, as in the case of a bear or a big hog, you want it to stay together and smash through. This might also apply to a big deer with a shoulder shot, in which case the bullet would plow straight through. While we might call this bullet failure, in Africa shoulder shots are the norm so bullets must be tough enough to stay together and penetrate all the way through. So it boils down to what you are going to use the gun for. These two loads are good for large game and bear defense. For deer, use lighter weight JHP bullets to ensure expansion.

[@frankcastle1183]

Was debating getting a 10mm, I’ll keep my .357. Thanks Tools!

[@v73133]

The most important thing to remember is these rounds are designed for different performance in different tissue than defensive rounds. Clear gel provides questionably representative test results with defensive bullets. Maybe this is even more of a factor with rounds designed for other animal tissues?

[@ToolsandTargets]

Been plenty of soft point "hunting" rounds that did great in this gel. The test medium is really irrelevant when comparing bullets, as long as the test is kept consistent for the different rounds.

[@v73133]

@@ToolsandTargets I don't disagree that test medium is less important when comparing multiples against each other, provided the medium is an effective substitute. In this case the gel is being used as a substitute to evaluate how bullets would perform in organic, largely water based, tissues. Having neither the water content or physical properties of organic tissues, Clear ballistics just doesn't accurately do that. I'm merely suggesting a high likelihood that results in an animal or even organic gel would be measurably different.

[@bradwhite4827]

Dude not to sound weird but this guys channel is good ish! No BS and tell like it is honesty. Great job buddy!

[@jamesheath1836]

Yay I have been waiting for these both. Thanks Tools as always, you are the man.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@madczechoutdoors1088]

I think they both did great. That’s exactly what I want. Complete pass through with 2 holes bleeding.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I figured some folks do like that with hunting.😎👍

[@magnum_0710]

I think the 357 american eagle soft points got more expansion in another test I saw 😂 not going to lie though that kind of performance is what I look for in the way of woods defense from a handgun

[@ctsnider88]

I started to chuckle when you said"no loss there". I said out loud "sure was loss in performance ".😅

[@hoffpbass]

More like Bear Defense Jelly Time today. I'm impressed with the power. Perhaps a little softer lead they might have looked like the Fusion 223s you tested. Good test, Tools 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥🐻💥

[@Bowfella]

10mm rounds are rated for a 6" barrel. The velocity from a 4.5" barrel is pretty significant from a 6" barrel, probably 50-80fps difference.

[@texasrex2222]

lever action vs. revolver ammo performance soon, possibly? I have a 686-6 and a pre-remington marlin 1894CS, always wondered what the performance difference I could expect might be!

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤔

[@cgsimons1187]

That old Marlin is pretty handy carbine and is fun to shoot. My guess is these soft points will expand considerably when fired from that barrel length. Though the penetration will likely drop substantially. Of course, an actual test is the only way to know for sure.

[@texasrex2222]

Exactly what I was thinking! I'd still like to see the comparison in the gel blocks though@@cgsimons1187

[@johncoleman2495]

This is a test I'd like to see in bare gel. Even though some animals wear a fairly heavy coat, I've never seen hair clog a hollow point. Which is essentially what this ammo is. Shallow as it may be, it has a hollow cavity. I'd be willing to bet these bullets expand at this velocity in bare gel! This is a subject I have a lot of interest in. I've done a decent amount of velocity testing between .357 and 10mm. I always tried to match bullet weight as close as possible which in most cases was very close. I also have the good fortune of having a 6" barrel for my Coonan .357(closed breach takes barrel/cylinder gap out of the equation) and I also own an AMT Javelina 7" 10mm. So the 10 has a 1" advantage in barrel length. And even so the .357 iirc still beats the 10mm by a slight margin in every weight. I would have to dig through 100's of pages of old notes (which are packed away) for specific velocities. I do however remember with 100% certainty the bullet weights tested .357---10mm 125gr. 135gr 158gr. 155gr 180gr. 180gr 200gr. 200gr I'm a huge 10mm guy and love it! I believe it is the best readily available semi auto service caliber available. And at the same time I think the .357 is the absolute best all around handgun caliber ever invented. They're damn near revolver/semi auto versions of one another performance wise. And let's not forget that the .357 has(to a slightly lesser extent) suffered from the same reduced/weak commercial loads the 10mm has. The original Remington spec for the .357 was a 158gr lswc @1500 fps! You're lucky today to find a 125gr load that can achieve that from a 6" revolver! And it accomplished this with the disadvantage of a barrel cylinder gap. In the closed breach of the Coonan I regularly see 100-150fps increase over a 6" S&W 586. Some loads close to +200fps. All this testing was done with the hottest commercial ammunition from the same 2 manufacturers, Buffalo Bore and Underwood and each weight was from the same manufacturer in both calibers. As I said I don't remember specific numbers from most of the loads off the top of my head, but Underwood 125gr .357 load broke 1700 fps from the 6" Coonan and the 135gr 10mm was well over 1600 from the 7" Javelina. The only other carryable/service sized handgun I own that can do that is a custom 1911 in .40 super. It beats the 10mm by 150+ fps with every bullet weight. As a side note, I'm almost 100% cert that that lower velocity last shot on the .357 is going to be an oversized throat. Very common in production revolvers. I'd bet if you measure the throats and number the chambers, you can shoot a 5 shot string from each individual chamber and find the largest one is considerably slower.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Good info. 😎👊

[@shawnsadventures2852]

You're definitely the best go to on ballistics testing.. Love to see another live show

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. 😎👍

[@MeMadeIt]

For hunting, decades ago, a friend used a S&W 686 6" with common 158gr JSP to take deer at close range. Surely, modern loadings with bonded bullets would be more than sufficient, even out of a 4". For defense, the overpenetration of a JSP would be a concern. There's much better defensive JHP available.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed

[@jamesmikesell5458]

I was thinking of trying these in 44 mag not now thanks for the test

[@ToolsandTargets]

Now I'll have to see if I have them in .44.🤔

[@sheldoniusRex]

Both of these loads are for carbines/SBRs. That's why the bullets are so tough.

[@ToolsandTargets]

No, they're not. These are tested and rated from handguns per Federal.

[@sheldoniusRex]

@@ToolsandTargets tragic.

[@jeremymcauliff8485]

Both should be good candidates for 16 inch carbine barrels. I handload 158 grain Hornady XTP's and push them just over 1800 fps from a Ruger 77/357. No Deer yet, but I did flatten a Coyote at about 75 yards with that load. I'm betting the extra barrel length will add plenty of performance.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nice!😎👊

[@Disastrous.Affect]

Some how I missed this one, and 10mm hunting rounds is what I am looking for right now. These might be good in the longer barrels, be interesting to see what your carbine does.👍

[@wadelucero6461]

I love when you rant about 10mm your correct IMO it due to legal mumbo with the FBI standards and prosecutors argue in court normal people use 9mm for home defence and 10mm with bazooka ballistics are used for blowing people apart in glad your getting longer barrels this will prove what you been saying all along if we know every 10mm that failed your test would pass at 1400fps then bullet manufacturers have to know great videos 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@c.miller3802]

Stick with a .357 , Underwoods 158 g XTP. I get 1550-1600 fps out of my 6.5" Blackhawk with great expansion out of a tough bullet. It just works everytime .

[@trustnot9]

Great test and information as always. I don't hunt but i bet that either round wound stop a two legged predater. Good job my friend.

[@sbtiger556]

I’m surprised by the 10mm Fusion. I’ve tested this round extensively out of my G20 into bare gel. My test are at close range, within 5 yards, and I have gotten EXCELLENT and consistent expansion up to 0.7”. Every test had 100% weight retention and every single one was picture perfect expansion. I was shocked given it’s a soft point as it outperformed Buffalo Bore, HST and the super fast high energy loads from Underwood. Now I need to rethink my stance as I had switched to this round given it’s a bonded soft point and would be good through barriers. That’s WAY too much penetration and even though the permanent wound cavity on shot one looked pretty good, I will now stick with Buffalo Bore as it is outstanding.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, the velocity loss at distance really does change things. I'm very curious to see what these do from rifles now.

[@motorcitymadman146]

Its gun channels like this that got me hooked on KZbin. Most of those have turned into shows with bad comedy and guns I will most likley never get to touch. Your in my list with a a few names..Hickock 45, Paul Harrell, Rest in peace James Yeager, prayers sent for CRS sitting in Prison.

[@poisonPpaully]

Those 357 velocities are really good I would really like to see it out of a 16” lever gun figuring that it has a fast burn powder to get that velocity out of a 4” and by 18-20” it may start slowing it down But in case you can’t tell I’m 357 fanboy

[@cgsimons1187]

I'm looking forward to seeing these retested with longer barrels. I've yet to see a soft point in .357 Mag expand from a 4" barrel. Your 6" Colt Python might make the difference.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@BADD1ONE]

My 10mm fusion just came in the mail. Should have watched your video before i ordered it.

[@furmanmackey5479]

At the risk of having to do some serious tracking (due to possible failure to expand) I suspect both rounds would be well suited for hunting critters with relatively tough hides, such as large feral hogs, at handgun ranges. Otherwise, I would not put a lot of trust in either of them since I'm not convinced I could expect humane kills on game.

[@TeensierPython]

10mm works great on deer. You just need to use it within its limits. Don’t shoot past bow range. Don’t shoot quartering angles. I stopped using hollow points after a failure to expand on a perfect broadside. I use only soft point or hard cast lead now.

[@davidreed3647]

Thanks for a good video. Federal Fusion seems to be a terrible round for any application. It over penetrates for a defensive round and under expands for a hunting load. Thanks for the info.

[@joeltowle2737]

That's why I use jsp or swc lead for hunting!

[@buzsalmon]

👍👍 Good Stuff Tools! I never used either one and probably won't be. But good to know.

[@jackbauer9077]

Bet tools got a kris vector coming, or hi point 10mm carbine, Thanks for the ammo reviews! Help us only what hunting or self defense ammo to buy and keeps from buying poop that doesn’t work

[@Kevin-y1q4x]

If you live in the sticks I'd use hunting ammo for home defense over specialty defensive rounds hunting rounds do serious damage and penetrate much farther possible through two people if needed

[@CM-nq3so]

+1 on wondering how these would do from a rifle length barrel. That 357 load might be a good hunting load from a levergun.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@LuckyDog350X]

I'm very curious how these will do in the longer barrels. You hit the nail on the head with what I was thinking if the cloth clogging them up had anything to do with them not opening, but on the other hand what a hide with thick hair might also do? Good test none the less. Have a good one brother see you on the next one.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate you!😎👊

[@mkshffr4936]

Not sure why people consider lack of expansion a failure. We just about wiped out the all of the bison in this country with non-expanding bullets. Those flat points tear up quite a bit of tissue while penetrating deeply and typically in a straight line.

[@Cr0wmagnum]

You would think that being a hunting round you would get something a bit more spicy. I guess they just don't load them like they did in the good old days. Big fan of a good .357

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@roosterboy7357]

I’d like to see you test it in the long barrel when it comes in in 10 mm against a 16 inch lever action 357 if you can get one for testing

[@sbtiger556]

I don’t know how to post a picture on here. I’ve got one it the caliper with a renew round next to it for comparison. The caliper is at 0.723” It’s a picture perfect mushroom. Really surprised by these results. I’m guessing given it’s designed to be a hunting round, the denim caused it to not perform. Many people on midway’s website rate it 5 star and state it’s an excellent deer hunting round

[@spokanesurvivaltrainingand5797]

Honestly I think this round is perfectly suited for thick animals

[@brockhowell2296]

Much, much, much longer in 10mm..............did you get that Hi-Point carbine (I believe I saw that you had the 45 acp)? If so, I'm definitely looking forward to a review of that one!

[@golf-n-guns]

Both are man stoppers, but that 357 packs a punch!

[@CreasyEQ]

I can't wait for the next video with the Fusion's.

[@MrSumGuns]

Awesome video thanks! I like that Ruger tool. Always wanted one. Is the new longer tool a hi point rifle in 10?

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Right length but nope.

[@markerparker1980]

Can't wait to see Joker's gun from Michael Keaton's Batman you bought!! 😁

[@wandahelmer1038]

Another great test 👌. I would use either for hunting whitetail.

[@CarolinaRimfire]

I don't know enough about hunting to know if this is adequate for the job, but I'm definitely impressed to see the 357 that much more powerful than the 10mm. Thanks for the demonstration, Tools!

[@pewpewTN]

It's because the 10mm is too heavy for caliber. Lighter bullets will always have more energy if the powder charge is close. If the 10mm was a 155 grain, it would be more powerful than the .357

[@scarifrougeone7225]

Not sure what to Think either there Tools. Probably needs a rifle/carbine length barrel to get the speed for the fusion to perform. Still a good test to see what goes on in the pistols. Kinda disappointed with the .357 Mag. It did the box speed and still did not expand. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. be safe. 🇺🇸🇺🇸⭐️🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, I'm very curious to see what rifle length will do with em.😎👊

[@j.r.palehorse]

Can you test 44 mag buffalo bore 240gr deer grenade please. Mountains of Colorado I carry this round. Tested on 5 gallon bucket of water but want to see real world test.