Can We Find Stoic Joy? With William B. Irvine

[@bradrandel1408]

Great job! One of your best interviews from my point of you...🌹🕊🦋 Bless your heart and all your hard work... Art

[@ROMA--AETERNA]

“Ancient Art of Stoic Joy” is a great book.

[@ClassicalWisdom]

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[@shaggyrandy1264]

Is the evolution of stoicism similar to the switched definition of the cynics or the epicureans?

[@ClassicalWisdom]

Great question! A great deal of the major ancient philosophies have had their meanings corrupted (Stoicism, Epicureans, Cynics and Skeptics). I'll be interviewing an expert on Skepticism today and will ask him just that...

[@shaggyrandy1264]

If you find Hamlet's Mill start with the epilogue you'll never look at myths the same again .

[@shaggyrandy1264]

I can think of a few modern terms undergoing evolution.

[@robertdiggins7578]

Thank you for sharing this. I have a question about the principles of reasoning used by stoics,. Does stoicism, or another philosophy you know of, include the following type of reasoning? In order to achieve something, realizing that you already have some aspect or degree of what you want to achieve. For instance, building physical strength is done through the use of the strength you have. I see this as a very big problem with our education system, actually. The use of Bloom's Taxonomy to categorize and identify various aspects of learning and the relationship between them could, in my understanding, be very useful,, if it weren't for the hierarchy put in place. The hierarchy that it promotes does a lot of damage because it separates the most profound aspects of learning from the learner, or gaslights the learner in order to get them to believe the "higher" levels aren't being experienced. I imagine, when a teacher says "Don't just memorize it!", they are accidentally gaslighting schoolchildren to think that "just memorizing" is possible. I don't think it is. I think all levels of all learning domains are IN EFFECT, at all times. We are constantly learning and that hierarchy is a tool, an abstraction that could help a teacher say, "Please think about (realize) how your mind is [XYZ from Bloom's Taxonomy], because it is, whether you realize it or not." I took some graduate Ed courses, when I was an undergrad. In one of them, all of the other students were public school teachers. We were asked to watch video clips of children in classrooms, who were reacting to something their teacher said. We were supposed to place the child students' reactions in specific domains at specific hierarchical levels. I told my small group that I wouldn't participate, and explained what I described above. After 15 seconds of deer in headlights, they just kept on doing the task, as if I hadn't spoken. Not a word in response. The irony is that I could have placed the adult teachers' reactions on the taxonomy, just like they were doing to the children. Well, I don't know if any of this has something to do with stoicism logic or reasoning, but, in general, I think that separating yourself from your goals completely is not as effective as realizing some aspects of your goals and using what you are to develop what you are makes more sense. Thanks again for sharing the discussion and, in advance, for any response to my question and comments.

[@roxannez8258]

Dear Robert, Interesting post and I agree with your major point to some extent. I have taught and developed curriculum using Bloom's Taxonomy, and while it is a helpful tool, I think that maybe the student has to go through memorization to get to critical thinking. Hence I would try to bring students along on a journey, rather than focus on the supposed end point. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and an interesting discussion. Cheers, Roxanne

[@robertdiggins7578]

@@roxannez8258 Thanks, Roxanne! I appreciate your response. It's an interesting topic, for sure. I like the journey idea. I wanted to try to get a point across, that the critical thinking is happening, even if we don't realize it. Analysis, running like currents underground. Realization is the accomplishment, in terms of that taxonomy, and that is definitely the opposite of how teachers are taught to use it. More like judgement, labeling, and separation from realization. So, the journey becomes more and more of a pipeline, in some instances... I'm not sure how we explain that all these levels are happening, except by celebrating realizations in that context and showing them the map. Hang it on the wall or in the apps. I bet it would get some upgrades. Maybe we realize how to put the word journey into the taxonomy itself, along with realization. Right now, I think we're fooling a lot of kids into thinking they aren't and don't have to think. And everyone starts thinking that way about everyone else. In groups, even ;)

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