Can we save this old Toro mower ?

[@jeffcox2446]

Your videos are great

[@HomeGaragechannel]

Thank you Jeff Cox

[@jannowak4977]

Veeery good 2 stroke tough mower.

[@HomeGaragechannel]

my thoughts exactly

[@VacMaster2020]

My 1970s Lawn boy very nice mower and has been very reliable and I love it

[@HomeGaragechannel]

I love older lawnboy mowers. Thanks for the comment

[@poseidon5003]

Little known fact ; Toro bought Lawnboy.

[@ramadinsookhoo6141]

On work I saw an old lawn mower. It's probably sitting there for over 15 years. I might try to fix it after seeing your videos here

[@HomeGaragechannel]

If the carbs is too far gone, replacing it might be easier, good luck with it.

[@ramadinsookhoo6141]

@@HomeGaragechannel thanks I'll let you know how the progress is on this project. Just a reminder I'm not a professional I'm just going to try and see if I can make it work again😀

[@larrycroft470]

you have such a great channel I enjoy all your videos. Thank you for taking time to make them.

[@HomeGaragechannel]

i really appreciate you taking time to watch and comment. Thank you.

[@MrGattor33]

I think you are right. Just the variety of what you mentioned was the main cause of it not running!

[@HomeGaragechannel]

thank you for agreeing with me. Thanks for the comment.

[@MrGattor33]

@@HomeGaragechannel Very welcome!

[@michaelchilders6056]

Not an expert myself, but I think you are right. It had a combination of problems. The most serious probably being the leaky carb bowl gasket and so much trash in the gas tank. Wow, I must say, had no idea Toro parts were that high. $300.00 for a new carb is enough to make anyone sick and certainly enough to warrant considering a new mower. Thanks for what you do!!

[@HomeGaragechannel]

thank you Michael Childers for the comment I appreciate your time.

[@watermanone7567]

Good video. I have seen multiple problems every so often due to lack of maintenance. Finally the straw that broke the Camel's back happens. I would like to see the key checked in any case. Bad fuel, dirty carb, plug, oil, water in gas, rotton fuel line coming apart and going into the carb, wrong fuel mix in two cycle units, I had one that a mouse chewed the coil wire so it was shorting out every once in a while. A good tune up never hurts. Many thanks.

[@HomeGaragechannel]

You are correct. Will definitely have to check the key. Thanks for the comment

[@donaldpopcorn]

I gotta say this lawnmower is in better shape then mine!

[@HomeGaragechannel]

This one was primarily the back up to the other one so its in better shape than most. Thanks for the comment

[@brettmastrangelo5371]

I worked on a friends 2 year old toro 621r (4 stroke) single stage snowblower, wouldn't start and every now and then would pop/ run for 3 seconds like this one. Cleaned carb, flushed fuel multiple times, but same thing. Also showed spark on the inline tester. Plug looked clean and new but was defective. Installed new plug and it started right up. First and only time I have ran into a defective plug in 10+ years of fixing engines but I guess you never know.

[@HomeGaragechannel]

Yes sometimes the plug gets me to.

[@campbellpaul]

All the things you mentioned, plus normal engine wear (compression should be at or near 120psi for that engine)... if the crank case has even the slightest leak, it won't run properly (the most common leak is at the governor shaft seal, crankshaft seals and the crankcase halves seal) ....I just looked it up in the service manual lol

[@HomeGaragechannel]

thanks for looking i appreciate it.

[@christhegoanimator8485]

I enjoy your content!!! It is very entertaining, I hope you continue to upload.

[@HomeGaragechannel]

I definitely will and thank you Chris M for the comment

[@Patrick4959]

Never hurts to give the carburator a good cleaning and often the piston and cylinder head a good cleaning too

[@HomeGaragechannel]

Very good idea

[@phildelgiudice3448]

Awesome man. Thanks for sharing. I’d bet the carb clean, new plug and gasket replacement went a long way here. It’s always the basics folks. Avoid problems. Keep the preventative maintainence updated.

[@HomeGaragechannel]

@@phildelgiudice3448 so very true. Thank you for the comment

[@rabbitfootedkitty1339]

I think the problem and the only problem was the dirt in the carburetor. No matter what small engine, as long as the spark plug is sparking at the right time, it is doing it’s job. Timing wasn’t an issue at all because in the beginning of the video, it started up and died. It wouldn’t have started at all if the flywheel key was sheered. The gasoline that came out of the fuel line looked very bad for the engine. It was all yellow without any oil, unless if the 2 stroke oil is yellow, which I doubt. And I don’t think just because something is old, it is worn out and should be retired. As long as you have a good quality machine (that isn’t 100% garbage Chineseium) and that you take care of it, it should last longer than your own life. I think it might have been a bit down on compression, I don’t remember for sure from the last video of this awesome mower, but it still sounded fine to me. If I were you, I would just replace the fuel line and the fuel filter, the dirty fuel is the biggest problem. Also $300 for a float-bowl style carburetor like that is fucking insane. I wish I had a 2 stroke mower like that. It’s so awesome that Suzuki made the engine for a Toro. What an amazing piece of equipment.

[@HomeGaragechannel]

all very good points. yes the price for the carb was scary insane.

[@rabbitfootedkitty1339]

@@HomeGaragechannel Hey my wish came true. I picked one up where the engine sticker said the motor was build in 1997. He was asking $125 and I talked him down to $80 because there is a massive vertical crack on the side of the deck where the grass exits the top. I actually don’t think it’s a huge problem because the crack started and ended, so it’s not like the crack will get bigger overtime. If I fully restore this thing, I’ll get it welded. He didn't have the mulch plug, I ordered one, but he gave me two bags! It ran for a bit when I went to go pick it up, but the pull cord was on it's way out, and the blade was pretty dull. So after replacing the rope, sharpening and balancing the blade, draining the gas and discovering a bit of water actually, and replacing the fuel line and filter for funsies, mine starts up and runs absolutely fantastically! I didn't even have to get the starting fluid!! I must have had better luck than you on this one. This is instantly like my favorite mower in my fleet of 6 now And about a week ago now I think, I went with my friend down into the crackhead part of Seattle to pick up a near-scrap air-cooled inline 4 Yamaha 600cc motorcycle engine stuck inside of a cut up frame, for his really stupid optimistic go kart project, and in the same spot we found a Lawn Boy 8674!!! I told him to hold it for me, I ran and got some cash, and when I got back, the mower fired right up, so the engine is DEFINATELY still good. The dude was asking $20 for each, so $40 for both. What a steal for a F series 2 stroke Lawn Boy! I ordered a blade, blade control cable, and an air filter. It will likely be going as good as my new Recycler I just got a couple of days ago! I hope everything's okay and well, take care!

[@HomeGaragechannel]

@@rabbitfootedkitty1339 wow nice finds. you definitely got some good ones there. Thanks everything is going well here.

[@downtowngutter3875]

These videos are interesting

[@HomeGaragechannel]

thanks for the comment.

[@MrGattor33]

All of his videos are interesting and very informative!

[@HomeGaragechannel]

@@MrGattor33 thank you I appreciate it

[@MrGattor33]

@@HomeGaragechannel You are very welcome sir!

[@schan7729]

Great video cuz. Great explanation. Keep up the great work! It's Pap

[@HomeGaragechannel]

Thanks man I appreciate your support

[@earnestalyssa1988]

Thank you this helps a lot keep up the good work

[@HomeGaragechannel]

Thank you for the comment Noah2010

[@earnestalyssa1988]

Because of you now I know how to replace the gas can on a weed eater thank you

[@HomeGaragechannel]

@@earnestalyssa1988 anytime

[@2aminitials]

Possibly the black debris in the gas is pieces of fuel line from pinching off the line. I'd put on a new fuel line and cut the old one open to see if it's coming apart internally.

[@HomeGaragechannel]

You might be right. I'll have to do that

[@dagorithe]

My best guess is a combination of all the little things adding up

[@HomeGaragechannel]

Thats my guess too.

[@Jim-ie6uf]

A new or almost new blade on an old mower with kickback or related issues, can be a good indicator of a sheared key problem. The blade got bent, replaced, mower still wouldn’t run right and went to the curb. I’ve not run across a Suzuki powered mower.

[@HomeGaragechannel]

actually i put the blade on a year ago. I did check the key then just to make sure and it was good so i'm pretty confident that the key is okay since the blade is in great shape.

[@cosminhusqy3138]

Yesss !👍👏

[@HomeGaragechannel]

thanks for the comment

[@urbanitesgarage3299]

2:43 that was your issue. look at the piece of wood in the background there was water in the carb. gas soaks in wood instantly so the water beads on top of it.

[@HomeGaragechannel]

Wow nice you picked that up! Good job.

[@urbanitesgarage3299]

@@HomeGaragechannel Thanks for quick response! :)

[@HomeGaragechannel]

@@urbanitesgarage3299 no problem

[@robstone5333]

Excellent observation. I totally missed it.

[@HomeGaragechannel]

@@alext8828 what kind of separation would I bee looking for?

[@Funkinforevernight]

Yes

[@HomeGaragechannel]

thanks for the comment

[@999thenewman]

What Home Garage doesn't show is all the off-screen work.

[@HomeGaragechannel]

Oh yes there's quite a bit. I have thought about doing a video on how I make videos but it doesn't really go with my repair videos.

[@999thenewman]

@@HomeGaragechannel Belting out an expletive working on something into the evening while being late for dinner might actually be fun to vlog. Maybe you'll need a third channel for that. Home Garage Vlog. Haha! :)

[@HomeGaragechannel]

@@999thenewman that is a great idea.

[@999thenewman]

@@HomeGaragechannel Maybe, though let's say you jump-cut each video down to 2 minutes. That would make everything easier. And more hilarious.

[@HomeGaragechannel]

@@999thenewman even a better idea. Since its not a repair then there's no need to do any step by step stuff so jump cuts work perfectly

[@v-g-z3689]

A mower from 2002 being old, are you joking?! These are very good engines and it´s definitely worth saveing as many of them as possible. Also, a carb isn´t something that you "just" replace, if anything you use an OEM rebuild kit after a bath in an ultrasonic cleaner or removing corrosion from the inside. Cheap knock off aftermarket carbs are a no go, as they are usually of awful quality. Putting that diry air filter box and element I would consider a crime though. Otherwise, good job!

[@HomeGaragechannel]

thanks for the comment

[@v-g-z3689]

@@HomeGaragechannel My pleasure ;)

[@robertyearian227]

All the above needed attention but I still say pull the key way look at it

[@HomeGaragechannel]

Thank you for the comment I appreciate it

[@b286guy]

Yes, probably a combination of problems as you said. Maybe more carburetor than spark plug though? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@HomeGaragechannel]

I believe you're right.

[@ressaytube3225]

I have a toro 7.25 163cc recycler 22” I’ve cleaned the carburettor, put new spark plug ( it does have spark ), cleaned the fuel tank and check the auto choke. And still can’t get it to turn on.

[@HomeGaragechannel]

does your engine have a plastic carburetor? did you clear the brass jet?

[@ressaytube3225]

@@HomeGaragechannel it does, Yes sir i did. 😔

[@HomeGaragechannel]

@@ressaytube3225 I would consider replacing the carb then

[@ressaytube3225]

@@HomeGaragechannel will do thanks alot

[@HomeGaragechannel]

@@ressaytube3225 no problem

[@knighthawk86855]

I didn't see you prime the carb b4 starting, and like most said it is a 2 cycle they take a few pulls to start at first..... I have 2 of these in my shop, and one in my personal collection, none of them start on first pull.

[@HomeGaragechannel]

Thanks for the comment

[@davidanderson3944]

The bad fuel dirt i the tank, and the crappy spark plug.

[@HomeGaragechannel]

pretty much everything.

[@johncozad92]

Just wondering if you primed it prior to starting. If you did, I didn't see on the video. If you didn't, that is probably big reason on hard to start. Did you check to see if priming bulb/circuit was working?

[@HomeGaragechannel]

I would have to look at my raw footage but I usually do a good job of including the priming. Yes that could be part of the problem.

[@simonwelch9092]

If it's still reluctant to start there may be an air leak in the crank seals somewhere. Did you measure the compression?

[@HomeGaragechannel]

i did off camera and its very good.

[@robstone5333]

Initial reluctance to start possibly due to empty carb? Excellent video as always. Appreciate you taking the time and effort to make it.

[@HomeGaragechannel]

@@robstone5333 that is a possibility. Thanks for the comment

[@YukiNeko-Neko]

with as much abuse as commercial mowers get, heck even reg mowers. I just don't understand why most of the Manufactures did aways with inline fuel filters. when i work on lawnmowers of friends and neighbors. I ask them if it ok if I add one back in, they are cheap to replace just like oil and sparkplug. they keep dirt out of the carb

[@HomeGaragechannel]

I agree with you. Thanks for the comment

[@adammosher5818]

Why is the inlet rusty were the carb goes or is it just cause it 2cycle and caused by the fuel

[@HomeGaragechannel]

i don't think thats rust because the inlet is plastic and that mates to a gasket material. I'm guessing dirt.

[@nashguy207]

That mower was a great mower back when it was made. I think it was trash in the fuel and the bowl gasket!

[@HomeGaragechannel]

I believe that you are absolutely correct about that

[@RussellBooth1977]

I think that the non starting issue was caused by both a restricted fuel supply & an air leak in the float bowl of the carburetor !

[@HomeGaragechannel]

I think you're right

[@petefroud5308]

Its a old one so getting worn for sure.

[@HomeGaragechannel]

absolutely. run it till it goes.

[@NOAH_HINMAN]

Its jut needed some TLC

[@HomeGaragechannel]

You're absolutely right about that

[@NOAH_HINMAN]

I just bought a riding lawn mower and it runs good but still needs some general maintenance and parts. Just because it runs good doesn't mean it doesn't need maintenance

[@HomeGaragechannel]

@@NOAH_HINMAN I hear that.

[@butler386]

Boogers in the gas and bad bowl gasket are my guesses. The combination of an engine being 2 cycle and that type of carb. has me confused. But then again why am I here?

[@HomeGaragechannel]

i always appreciate your time watching. its all for education or fun for me. thanks for comment.

[@ridingwithjag1990]

Hi

[@HomeGaragechannel]

Hello Snow runner Rocks

[@davetroendle4785]

Seal and bad gas.

[@HomeGaragechannel]

Thanks for the comment