Can X Last Much Longer?

[@aspartame17]

to agree with Luke's statement that he never hated a brand for advertising on some unsavory content, i'd like to add to it : i never hated a brand for advertising on unsavory content, because they probably didn't even know they were advertising on that specific content, i'm more enclined to hate on creators that accept ad spots from unsavory sponsors (like every f'ing Better Help sponsor spots, for crying out loud do they not even research these companies before accepting a sposonship???).

[@axeavier]

Most sponsorships are unsavoury, very often the stuff promoted in the VPN ads are straight up lies, those raycon line reads are also lies, LTT literally promoted crypto at one point, there's just so much garbage promoted.

[@lukasg_]

Eh, i tend to have a somewhat lower opinion of some brands depending on the type of platform they advertise on. Like, a YT ad is imo better than an adult site ad, and some brands might come to see X more in line with the latter.

[@muckdriver]

​@@lukasg_well of course but in a platform as open as YT, Twitter, Instagram, you can't be mad at say vite ramen for their ad being on a post made by someone who supports more extreme points of view especially when their content is unrelated.

[@Mike_Dubayou]

Better help really helped me in a big way about a year and a half ago. I was going through the loss of a family member, as well as some big relationships changes at the time. I couldn’t afford a therapist, so I just tried out better help. Imo, the therapist I talked to really helped me a lot over the next year. But you watched a KZbin video that said they were bad, so you probably know better. Keep advocating against therapy 👍

[@yyny0]

Didn't Better Help improve a lot since the controversy a couple of years ago?

[@Leetshifter]

Dbrand be like, "I see this as an absolute win"

[@HolyHadou]

I worked in ads and our viewability partner at the time had an ability to crawl the site and determine if the content or articles that the page was covering would be okay or controversial. We also had domain/sites that we either worked with as safe sites vs sites we blacklisted or just didn't bother to have our ads show up on for either questionable content, controversial content, political, or we got bot calls which meant we got false impressions we couldn't bill off of. Depending on the vertical or the advertiser, they'll usually want to keep their nose out of any controversial, political or specific content. However, not every advertiser is looking to keep their nose clean depending on the subject matter or their brand.

[@GruntyGame]

Nice insight.

[@HaloHunter2552]

While some companies genuinely may not know where their ads are placed, some companies only begin to care when there is publicity. Companies like Coke-a-cola love to act morally clean, yet are far from it.

[@AnonP2X3YZ]

It's pointless not to shotgun advertise, there is NO kickback for having your advertising in controversial places.

[@Bob_Smith19]

@@AnonP2X3YZExactly, for every person that complains there are 20,000 that don’t care. Number is probably much higher.

[@EntropicTroponin]

​@@Bob_Smith19 total assumption on your side

[@arsenalx7]

This episode was a huge rollercoaster of genuine insights, humour and just wtf moments, especially that ending lol 10/10

[@jamesphillips2285]

16:00 One theory I have trouble discounting is that they wanted to shut down a website where effective organizing was taking place. They may be "phoning it in" instead of just shutting the site down immediately in order to delay the rise of alternatives.

[@ogrejd]

The "For You" tab is an algorithmic cesspit. The "Following" tab is as clean as you make it via your choices of who to follow.

[@derAtze]

​@@alr2157I'd say most people would agree that the KZbin home feed is an algorithmic cesspool

[@danlowe]

Tweetdeck made it so it could be an aggregate of anything you want. When you follow thousands of accounts it becomes impossible not to use it. And tweetdeck was one of the first things to get put behind a paywall.

[@ggwp638BC]

To me it's actually the opposite, I judge websites way more heavily about the type of ads they run than the advertiser about what content or website it is featured on. So if I click on a conspiracy theory video and it has an Amazon ad, I'm ok with Amazon. On the other hand, KZbin recently in Brazil is flooded with Chinese scammy online casinos, and it is disgusting, my opinion of KZbin is going down even more because of it.

[@julesy6922]

I dont think its so much that someone sees hateful content and then sees a Target ad directly below it and then thinks Target is specifically endorsing that message. I think its more that if the user experience is so poor that seeing hateful material is common it is going to make users unhappy and therefore have negative impression of other content they see, i.e. advertisements. Its subtle and psychological and something we are all vulnerable to. If you see something that upsets you it doesnt put you in the mindset to be advertised to. I can at least say from my experiences that I see a lot of indie video game ads on twitter but those are also sandwiched between ads for straight up crypto rug pull scams which has given me a negative impression of those indie games that might actually be good otherwise.

[@GroundByte]

if anything advertiser were okay with it for what could be a pretty simple reason, a lot people would use it. With how things been shaping up on traffic data done by different groups and the apps store downloads, the fact these numbers so far indicate a decline on usage and downloads just means a lot advertiser are probably looking for reasons to stop advertising on twitter. Also on the likes showing up on people, it'll also at least on "For you" tab will show likes of people you follow, but also show likes of the people of those people that they follow to you sometimes.

[@ImARichard]

I'm curious if the click-through rates from twitter have fallen off a cliff or if it is truly just companies virtue signalling. I have to imagine they are not walking away from a profitable advertising platform because its the morally correct thing to do.

[@shahzebatiq1]

This probably is. It's peak capitalism, otherwise we've seen how companies have no qualms literally sponsoring full blown apartheid, racism, classism, sponsoring assassinations, bribing politicians through lobbyists, etc etc. Most likely they just took one look at it and said "Well it's not like this is gonna hurt us, let's just walk away before we get more controversies and social pressure".

[@WetPig]

Are you questioning the logic, of Disney, in 2023? Hmm...

[@RichardHall3]

CTR on Twitter has always been abysmal (allegedly from what I've seen from people that work in advertising), the issue is the fact that there are even fewer people on Twitter than there were before so it's gone down proportionally.

[@OllixTV]

Several Forbes and NYT sources in advertising this week have pointed out that Twitter has never been a "must-have" for advertisers. It's wasn't particularly popular compared to its competition even before Space Karen bought it.

[@alr2157]

@@OllixTV So "Space Karen" isn't really the problem. You know "WebKevin", he's fighting for YOUR freedom of speech too?

[@blackhatmaster88]

I was wondering if the only goal of Meta creating thread is not just a genius plan to punction enough customers from Twitter hoping it would hurt them financially. They can afford to finance the losses if it could hurt/kill their opponent and then their fail social network would be the only alternative once it died.

[@auspiciouslywild]

They don’t even have to get people over on thread. If spending less time on Twitter makes people spend a bit more time on Metas other social networks it’s a win. So both Twitter and Thread could die and it could still be a win for Meta

[@namAehT]

I don't even think they're intentially trying to hurt Twitter, they just want to have their option out there so that _when_ Twitter collapses theirs is the most appealing option.

[@harriska]

Possibly trying to get advertisers to spend less on x

[@Shadowninja1200]

"They can afford to finance the losses if it could hurt/kill their opponent and then their fail social network would be the only alternative once it died." That has been meta/facebook's MO forever. Either that or just buying their competition outright. They couldn't get snapchat so they took one of the main features of it (stories).

[@SnifferSock]

Except Meta is dead lol

[@Chickeeenz]

This all reminds me of when Yahoo bought Tumblr. I never did find a replacement for tumblr - I just stopped using it all together. However, the X downfall is literally a slow burning sinking ship at this point compared to the quick stab with tumblr. Tumblr didn’t die completely but a large group of people did stop using the platform.

[@briancollins7296]

i miss I💜Chaos

[@Code7Unltd]

The funny thing about that... All the Tumblr exiles migrated over to Twitter. In a bizzare bit, Elon Musk's regime caused child abuse accounts to get banned rather quickly, but Twitter under Dorsey had trouble getting rid of them. I wonder if most of those child SAM accounts were truly feds?

[@aStrix171]

I get nostalgic for tumblr every so often but after that mass purge & my OG account getting banned I just, I just gave up

[@_oxygenfox]

it truly did become the new pdf as yahoo intended

[@phaikyouser9499]

#1 App in App Store today LOL

[@LeRouxMashinrou]

Honestly, I just mainly use Twitter for following vtubers and artists, thats it.

[@alr2157]

and it's good for your use, isn't it?

[@LeRouxMashinrou]

@@alr2157 Absolutely, most vtubers mainly use twitter so yea, theres still no alternative to twitter. I got to see some fanarts easily and follow my favorite vtubers

[@amb1u5]

It does work, but it's like a family dinner everything is great until uncle jerry starts talking about politics.

[@gljames24]

​@@alr2157I'd rather those creators move to Mastodon.

[@yaritzamiranda921]

I keep the people I know irl on Instagram + local news and people I don't know irl on Twitter + pop culture stuff with very few excepcions.

[@TheOystei]

11:00 "Brand X mouthwash, number one mouthwash for adult stars!" would be a hell of a sales pitch!

[@nikkiofthevalley]

Memorable, too, so honestly outside of the sheer weirdness of it, it would probably work as advertising.

[@Veerorith]

I mean I think it goes both ways, I'd blame a youtuber for taking sponsor deals with a shit company, and I'd blame the company for taking a sponsorship deal with a shit youtuber. The twitter situation is different because running ads on twitter, and having them happen to show up next to a shitty tweet is one thing, but directly paying twitter to run ads when their CEO is saying shit things or endorsing shit things its more of a controllable thing, and I do blame them for that.

[@Garagantua]

There's also the question of frequency. Does your ad come up next to a "hitler did nothing wrong"-Tweet once every 5000 servers, or is it one in 5? One might be acceptable, the other.. not so much. And from what I see, while those Tweets may not be have increased in number, the amount of other stuff has certainly decreased, thus increasing the chance to have your ad next to some.. very 1930s take.

[@Spongy656]

This is exactly what most people don't understand

[@knection1986]

Yeah sponsorship shows a direct choice while a random pre roll or mid roll was just algorithmically selected.

[@namAehT]

Linus missed the mark on this one and he really should know better as a vocal and public (former) CEO of a company. A random user saying "Hitler was a cool dude" is just a random guy talking into the void, but the CEO of a company saying the same thing on his company platform is as good as the company itself endorsing the message. Musk has gotten into hot water with the Tesla board for this exact thing before, he has marketed himself as the face of the company so when he says nasty shit it makes Tesla look bad.

[@mattymerr701]

It's easy to report shitty tubers to advertisers and get the sponsorship pulled however. This happened to that iluminaughti person

[@TheGamingCarousel]

one point to add would be what the action of supporting such a tweet means, when your the ceo of the platform. I think there is a small difference between a company trying to medigate controversial content on their platform ineffectively (like twitter was doing its whole life) and outright supporting said content in a ceo tweet while simultanously changing the content-showing algorythm on the plattform and making musks account basically being shown on the whole plattform to almost every user, which in turn looks from the outside like the company is supporting said content actively. As an advertiser this would make a massive difference, its not s much about having your content next to some controversial statement in like one of 99 cases and much more about giving money to a company, to whom you wouldnt like to be affiliated anymore because of their changing image. Its a bit like Twitter becoming 4chan , although in much more milder terms

[@psionx1]

twitter/X itself may never be directly profitable but the platforms ability to warp news feeds pays for itself 10x over. also single player games that advertise using money only from microtransactions seem like the perfect target for linus to vent his frustration on.

[@mattymerr701]

It only pays for itself if they can monetise the manipulation.

[@psionx1]

@@mattymerr701 we have already seen elon manipulate the value of stocks with a single tweet. I don't think you can get much better monetization than that.

[@LiveActionKimPossibleRufus]

"Crest 3D mouthwash- not meant to be swallowed" would go crazy hard

[@tthermic]

Who do you think Linus meant when he said questionable collabs? Only person I can think of is maybe Twomad lol. Edit: RIP Twomad, he was a troubled man atomized by the internet who never got the help he needed. It's hard to be sincere about a man so poisoned by his own irony, but to me his videos were some of the funniest and most unique ones of the early 2020s.

[@flamingscar5263]

Dream as well, Dream is VERY controversial

[@NinjaArmy36]

100% Hasanabi 😂

[@TrentOhNo]

its definitely twomad. People will say hasan, but hasan doesnt have pedo allegations at least

[@NinjaArmy36]

​@TrentOhNo oooh I didn't hear about that one, how'd I miss all of that

[@robpom5501]

@@TrentOhNo Yeah those are wild though Hasan is worse in every capacity guy actively drums up lies, is total hypocrite in his life style to what he "preaches" all while acting pretty smug... though his fanbase is fading out reasonably quick these days as I guess more people using their brains a touch.

[@334nickg]

There's a difference between the content that the users generate on a site and what the owner themselves puts out, and for an advertiser it's the shield of plausible deniability.

[@matthewkeating-od6rl]

Him trying to convince us that Elon didn't kill Twitter after changing its name to a letter and cursing at your financial supporters.

[@Hettilo]

To the prnhub ad, a politition in my homecountry made advertisement on there with the slogan "vote for a fellow w*anker"

[@OllixTV]

A lot of folks here saying they don't understand who would associate a company with a random tweet it's next to have never met older people. My mom saw some rats near a dumpster outside a local hot dog chain thirty years ago. She still won't eat at any of their locations. She's just associates the restaurant with rats. It's not logical, but it's how our brains work.

[@SpartanArmy117]

Uhhh yeah because that's like way fucking different lol. Rats near a physical location COULD mean something. Tweets composed randomly in a twitter feed isn't even close to the same thing and no one actually thinks that way.

[@OllixTV]

@@SpartanArmy117 If seeing a rat outside a restaurant meant anything, no one would be safe eating literally anything in New York City lol

[@RainyDJ]

I think in relation to not associating ads with the content they’re near, it’s not entirely about consciously putting it together, but subconsciously being in that negative mindset and then associating it with that brand.

[@alexander0the0gray]

True story, I watch LMG clips all the time and they get recommended to me in my KZbin feed frequently, but I never watch the actual live stream itself. The “Go F yourself debrand” live stream popped up in my KZbin feed on Friday and it was the first WAN show live stream that has ever been recommended to me in my feed 😂

[@DrDipsh1t]

I see it like being at someone's house for a house party. There's gonna be people there talking about and doing stuff we don't like and we just avoid those people. However, when the host of the party stops the music, gets up on the kitchen table, and outspokenly says some God awful stuff, yeah it's time to leave the party.

[@gunnaraas218]

LTT screwdriver ads “Wanna screw?”

[@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus]

If Twitter is going to be called "X", can we all call tweets "Xcretions".

[@N6624_s]

3:37 I think the big controversy over the cookies is that pokimane called the people watching the stream “poor”.

[@mattymerr701]

I've seen so many advertisers advertising alcohol or M/R rated tv shows or movies, who dont want to be advertised on anything with a single "fuck" in it. It makes no sense

[@akaiappears]

I only learned that advertisers didn't or did the shotgun approach after they started to pull ads from youtube. If you look at website banner ads, they don't always align with the websites interests. I think there's some Streisand in this. Advertisers pulling out of certain content, the Adpocalypse gaining ears of millions of people, set the expectations of people that advertisers endorse the content, instead of content endorsing advertisers. Regardless if shotgun or not, the public knowledge of them selectively advertising, makes every advertisement effectively seem hand picked and placed by knowing about their ability to withdraw it.

[@JETWTF]

It's the advertisers that are "worried" about negative support metrics, the viewers do not think about it. And the advertisers are not worried about running ads on controversial topics but about how much positive publicity can be gained from making a big deal about not supporting it. Instead of paying to have an ad run they make a public announcement about how they will not support X, Y, or Z and the press does the advertising for free. Talking about how Disney is pulling ads from Shitter is running a Disney ad for free. The true controversial do not run ads on stuff is handled quietly behind the scenes by the ad agency.

[@TheSugarRay]

Who is on an adult site without an adblocker?

[@magnus33john]

Advertisers are not obligated to do so with any company and they do it when they see benefit. At this point no one can see any benefit of doing so and the only reason for this is Elon but he of course is going to blame everyone else.

[@mauvemonk]

Reel out the clips of every time LTT said the same thing to advertisers/sponsors. 😂

[@BitHappyy]

How many times are you guys going to predict The End of twitter?

[@pieguy1098]

Just as the for you twitter algorithm finally got perfect for me, no drama, no politics, just art and the occasional related memes. Took me months of carefully never clicking certain things and aggressively liking other things. I just hope people don't fragment and scatter to too many platforms, especially the ones hostile to art and non-Americans.

[@snowfox7739]

Why not consider Mastadon or one of the other Fediverse platforms?

[@helicopterharry5101]

We have American politicians (Elon new friends) who has said they want corporations investigated for not donating money to their party. So Elon suggesting advertisers should be punished for not giving him money is in perfect alignment with that.

[@jaykoerner]

Stock shorting is where you borrow a stock and immediately sell it with the assumption you will return the stock after buying it back for cheaper and hopefully get most of your money back

[@RadicalEdwardStudios]

I don't agree with the notion that they "should have been off twitter years ago". Before the acquisition, you could make an "at least they're trying" kind of argument. You can't make that, now. We know, quite explicitly, that they're not. So what the site /is/ ... is now different, since what they're trying and not trying to accomplish is ... different.

[@briancollins7296]

i want a bankruptcy judge to tell them that if the company stays under musks ownership there is no chance to restructure it, and should close and liquidate its assets, then musk should pay the employees first before the bank loans.

[@TooMuchMiddle]

Formosa. The name you're looking for, Linus, is Formosa.

[@KdawgThegreat]

It can last longer than Ncix 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Chaosgames96]

I agree with linus. Company's are very much guilty by association. Look at the companies still running in Russia, they continuously get boycotted and news articles keep roasting them.

[@SlyNine]

Saying the ADL shouldn't be hypocrites, when talking about power and privilege, is really so antisemitic.. In clown world.

[@jonathansaindon788]

That escalated quickly

[@cscience92]

19:11 He means furries, btw.

[@kostihouse]

Come on show some respect to elon, hes fighting the woke mind virus and leftist censorship..

[@cheeseisgreat24]

To put my own nuance on the point, I don’t care if advertisers have spots on random content on a platform, this shit gets algorithmically chucked around all day long, but what I do care is if the advertisers are advertising on a problematic **platform**. If it turned out tomorrow that Google was run by literal 1942 style nazis, I would absolutely care if companies still used it to run their ads, *and* I would care if people still used their stuff for putting out content.

[@SlyNine]

Except here we are saying the ADL shouldn't be hypocrites. Which is somehow viewed as hate speech.

[@estro8817]

While I agree on the principle of this idea I can’t see myself or people holding companies to this standard since it’s too late. Literally all the companies I and the average person depend on, technology wise, advertises in bad countries and bad platform. An easy example would be China and Chinese platforms since I’m completely against how they treat their minorities. Maybe there are alternatives but they’re so niche that the average person can’t practically dedicate the time, research, and resources to make sure all companies are advertising on good platforms and the companies themselves carry themselves 100% ethically. And if I can’t do it to all, it would be hypocritical of me to nitpick and choose.

[@jaykoerner]

@@estro8817 the only things not involved with China are things China has refused to work with, it almost seems like a moot point, I would be surprised if the metal for our money doesn't come from China tbh

[@4brigger]

"are you into white teeth? is that your 'thing'?"

[@TheTotallyRealXiJinping]

That island is China. Thank you.

[@cheesecrafter4387]

advertisers pulling out is generally to do with their ESG score

[@SafarWIP]

as long as Musk wants it, he has the funds forever

[@makatron]

Honestly they're stopped posting on Twitter to go where? Nothing has the same reach. Threads is already a graveyard.

[@derAtze]

Bluesky is awesome. Invitation only tho

[@makatron]

@@derAtze I'm in it too, another graveyard. 😅

[@derAtze]

@@makatron give it time. Both haven't even properly launched. In this case I think time will tell, since there is so much really good development happening and healthy competition, that one will prevail and rise above the others

[@17Tomtac]

Philip DeFranco is pretty good for keeping up with internet drama lol

[@userSchlonsch]

I will really miss twitter, it had some absolutely amazing niches with mostly cool people. If you stayed away from the right topics and accounts it could actually be a reasonably positive platform. But in it‘s current stage I‘d rather watch it burn to the ground and hope something else will come and replace it.

[@chinaman1]

and you think Threads will not turn into X?

[@fel524]

​@@chinaman1not his point

[@chinaman1]

@@fel524 i didn't say it was his point. I was asking a question.

[@larsmurdochkalsta8808]

Dude, I should totally start an online dental hygiene store and start doing affiliate marketing with the top orators on the orange youtube

[@Madnessnunky]

So from what I understand of the "Go F yourself" thing, a lot of it is a context issue... The whole thing stemmed from Media Matters curating and forcing a situation where advertising was placed alongside "unseemly" content, then they and their influenced companies created a massive controversy to intentionally "motivate" other advertisers to pull their content. It's a targeted attack and advertisers who willingly go along with the false controversy are doing so under intentionally mean spirited or bad faith motivations. It's like getting a job in the waterworks department, poisoning the water, then blaming the city. The whole thing was a hit job to attempt to force heavy-handed censorship. Elon went on to say his reason for that statement was this: "What I care about is the reality of goodness, not the perception of it. And what I see all over the place is people who care about looking good while doing evil. F*** them." Anyone going along with the hit piece are playing into the dark side of modern media, where all it takes is an accusation of wrongdoing to destroy someone's life. I'm not an Elon/Tesla fanboy by any means, nor do I use Twitter/X, but I do side with him on this. A free platform carries some risk that ads *might* appear next to unsavory things. There are safeguards that prevent it ~95% of the time, but it *can* happen, especially if you manufacture the whole thing yourself. I'd rather risk occasional slips than to lock people out of free and open discussions.

[@WetPig]

They have been going on about this since the start of the takeover, even though at that point, it was mostly the old Twitter algo. The BBC interview this year was telling, the reporter accused Musk of what you are saying, when asked for evidence, the guy crumpled like a house made straws. ALL OF THESE COMPANIES RUN AD CAMPAIGNS on TIKTOK..... where do you think all of the terrorist videos from the first days of the HAMAS attack came from. Extreme Hypocrites.

[@chuckmcclain8789]

Thing is, is the written report really the reason advertisers are stopping? from what I know the real reason is that compares to the return on ad investment you get from other social media like Instagram and Facebook, twitter simply doesn't provide enough value to make it worth advertising. It's not like you cant find bigoted content on those other platforms, its just that brands are willing to overlook that for access to a much larger userbase and better targeting. Report or not, I'm willing to bet a ton of these brands would have stopped advertising on twitter anyway simply because by their estimations, its not worth the money. It's not like Facebook and Instagram really have that much better of a reputation, they offer a better "product" in terms of a userbase to advertise to

[@SerterSerter]

Underrated comment and Linus' hate-boner for Musk is not helping him report accurately here.

[@Shadowninja1200]

sources on any of this? All i can find is lawsuits from X alleging that media matter forced it but there isn't any actual evidence produced on this so calling it a "hit piece" at the moment is a little much especially since Musk himself have gotten the company in hot water in other areas already. It's not like he isn't prone to screwing up twitter (like firing their compliance officers and wondering why countries are suddenly circling them for non compliance). Just sound like confirmation bias making you side with Musk on this for you.

[@Antpie94]

So when are you making "floatbird"?

[@jamesalexw]

I think what is being missed by many in this debate is that while Disney may have pulled their advertising, they have not shut down their own Twitter / X accounts. Maybe if they'd done the latter it would be more meaningful. Perhaps that is what Elon was so eloquently trying to explain...

[@kelmanl4]

He could just not actively promote white nationalist posts and anti semitic shit... Thats another option... He wasn't eloquent at all BTW.

[@C0mmentC0p]

@@kelmanl4 Evidence of this? I've never seen one of these promoted posts before.

[@Kaptainkurlz]

In a world where everything is taken out of context, I would love to see the actual post not just a regurgitated talking point. @@kelmanl4

[@anachronismic]

...Wouldn't that make more sense if he was talking after they had taken action by shutting down their twitters?

[@anachronismic]

@@C0mmentC0p Think this is in reference to reposting pizzagate consipiracies and shit like that. Which, ya know, is what precipitated all this to begin with.

[@GAMINGOBRIEN69]

10:48 d brand should ABSOLUTELY do this.

[@Zippy_Zolton]

I think it's funny to say "Twitter (formally X)"

[@rich1051414]

Buy me a pepsi, I'll buy you one next week. If pepsis are cheaper next week, you made a profit. That's how shorting stocks works.

[@CodeNameEN]

4:30 I bet he's talking about Twomad if he's up to speed with his latest scandel.

[@n9ne]

you guys must get some really bad tweets to hate it that much lol i literally only get tweets of cats and funny videos. idk wtf you guys are watching on there.

[@Andrewza1]

Non stop crypto scam adds.

[@Andrewza1]

@@alr2157 i hardly use it. I dont care enough about Twitter. But the only adds i got on it was crypto shit.

[@prismaticc_abyss]

honestly it was borderline unusable before elon took over, now I find myself peeking into it from time to time

[@Andrewza1]

@@prismaticc_abyss i find it worse now.

[@prismaticc_abyss]

@@Andrewza1 how so?

[@deelirious]

Wow,I'm reading and I guess I was pretty out of touch, I thought almost everyone agreed that Musk is bad and I see lots of fanboys being very vocal here. The more you know.

[@Axel_Kasai]

Short answer: yes. It's lasted this long, that's not gonna change 😂

[@5urg3x]

It's very interesting that he somehow feels entitled to advertiser money, but then complains about blackmail...I mean lol.

[@polypolyman]

Anyone else think this was a video about Wayland based on the title?

[@nomms]

I did lmao. Was hoping for some more news RE: wayland

[@ruth1642]

These days highly controversial stuff will always be put next to other brands. KZbin ads are a perfect example of this happening on a daily basis. For example, two ads play before a video. The first ad could be for a brand of an everyday item e.g. food, clothing etc. However next advert could be advertisements for war missiles, scams or get rich quick schemes. I have lost count of the times when this has happened to me when on KZbin. Even if adverts are reported to KZbin due to how distressing the footage in the adverts is, given a couple of weeks that same advertiser adverts are back being shown. E.g. the war missiles advertiser I mentioned above was showing footage of how much damage their weapons did for a currently happening war in the world, which you could help fund. Lost count of the times I reported the advertiser and lost count of the different adverts I was shown by the same advertiser over a long period of time. Hence if advertisers want to promote their brand, unless they control the platform themselves, they need to come to terms with the fact their ads will be put next to controversial stuff like the examples above.

[@xplinux22]

Agreed. I feel like the standard middle-man model of online advertising, where some third party (Google) sits between the advertisers and the content providers they're displayed on makes that kind of thing inevitable. It prevents the content provider and advertisers from being seen directly working with each other and thereby implicitly endorsing each other, as might've been the case in classical mediums like TV, radio, newspapers, etc. I actually feel that, when online, the opposite situation (where a NSFW ad is shown alongside SFW content) is typically received much worse than the other way around.

[@Zvangimo]

They will probably outlast LMG

[@mondodimotori]

Elon seems to love the free market. But just as the free market gives, the free market takes. This is the game.

[@kennyoffhenny]

There’s plenty of people from various demographics on social media…. Companies know that they probably have a targeted audience on pretty much every social media platform, regardless of what social media representatives say. What else is there to say….

[@bba935]

I know you guys have the forums, but a LTT Mastodon server would be fun.

[@MyAmazingUsername]

Twitter: Censored dissenting opinions, interfered in elections. Advertisers: Crickets. X: Allows free speech. Advertisers: I took that personally! 🤬

[@jamesphillips2285]

By "Free speech" you mean stages 1, 2, 4, 6, 10 of genocide.

[@de132]

Elon scared off advertisers because of: - His support of the idea that that there is an active Jewish plot to destroy the West through miscegenation and immigration policies due to a lack of loyalty towards Western nations - That a DC area pizza restaurant supports sex trafficking and child sex abuse materials being ran by political elites, even though that specific claim about that specific pizza place was debunked when an armed gunman stormed it in order to check based on internet blueprints.

[@de132]

Elon doesn't support free speech because: - Twitter actively allows users to pay a fee to see replies at the top, which isn't "free speech", it's paid speech. - Twitter is as restrictive as its always been. Elon just supports specific prominent right wing political figures and shields them while less prominent right wing political figures still receive bans or suppression, and the political left on Twitter still receives the same amount of bans and suppression. - Twitter also has banned or restricted certain political phrases and social markers based on the whims of Elon Musk (e.g. Cis, "from the river to the sea", specific criticisms of India president Narendra Modi, etc)

[@pdpablo90]

Linus trying to add one more cuil to the discussion 11:30

[@dantedocerto]

wow the bias here is insane.

[@Rem_NL]

ikr but crying when the adpocolypse happened. Blinded by Ideological echo chambers.

[@BannedOnMain]

Each day we get closer to Elon making good on his promise to “buy twitter, and then delete it” can’t wait 😂

[@Lord_of_Dread]

Just like Trump's 'Drain the swamp' comment. Sure they were full of shit when they said those things, but it's looking more and more like they're going to accidentally make good on those statements, just not in the way they meant!

[@macse7en]

4:17 def referencing TwoMad here lol

[@laurencechase5439]

I think brands are scared more of negative press and click-baity headlines - an advert of theirs appears ambiguously in front of a racist Tweet, it's easy to make a headline that makes an argument they're supporting that content.

[@eevox680]

I don’t care tweeter die or not, I just hate ads, the America runs on ads need to stop

[@SerterSerter]

Narcissist who got rammed for how he runs his company shakes fist at other companies.

[@helicopterharry5101]

The problem is Elon fanboys already hate on Disney for being woke and whatever. Once you've been crapped on you've been crapped on.

[@ferdinandbardamu3945]

What was Musk’s tweet? Why isn’t Linus reading it?

[@HasekuraIsuna]

It was about the great reset iirc

[@Beeline_N]

I think it's a matter of seeing your logo in a viral controversial news article even if there's no association. Like seeing a photo of a burning car with a gas station logo in the background. Someone just scrolling by might make quick assumptions without the full context. I think that's the sort of association they are attempting to wash off. The corporations probably wouldn't care if the news wasn't so viral.

[@SubtleTomato]

Did read the cookies were for people with specific dietary requirements, and the price point is supposedly basically on norm for California in that regard.

[@casey6259]

its almost like advertisers and public companies are soul less husks that are controlled by blackrock through stock buy outs and esg ratings

[@Shadowninja1200]

Honestly, I'm shocked the company itself haven't implemented a gag order on Elon because so much of what's going on at Twitter is entirely self-inflicted especially by Elon. He tried to change it to a new name that hasn't really stuck because people still refer to it as formerly known as twitter. He tried to make the checkmark system profitable without understanding the whole reason why it existed in the first place (then brought back legacy checkmarks because parody accounts jumped on that bandwagon so hard then ended up having to actually verifying accounts anyway). Keep hanging out with racists and anti semites while regularly posting unhinged takes himself. Actively attack advertisers and act confuse why they don't want to give him money. I can keep going but it all could have been easily avoided if Musk would stop and think for 2 seconds.

[@maximum988]

I don't think Elon knows what blackmail means.

[@TempoLOOKING]

Yes this is extortion

[@maximum988]

@@alr2157 blackmail specifically involves threatening the disclosure/publication of of something if the demands are not met.

[@Aleblood]

@@alr2157 Blackmail means that someone demands something in exchange for not leaking sensitive or damaging information. Advertisers choosing not to advertise in poorly moderated online spaces isn't blackmail. To answer your question, yes, it is okay. That's what it means to live in a world with people who don't blindly believe what you believe. Disagreements happen, pressure is applied. It's just the way things are.

[@nomms]

​​@@alr2157What? How is not paying Elon for advertising a violation of Elon's free speech? He was still able to say what he wanted, no one silenced him. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you're free from consequences of that speech, it just means the government can't prosecute you for that speech. If you say you hate me, I'm free to not buy for your business. No freedoms are infringed in either scenario

[@neociber24]

​@@alr2157 but free speech doesn't mean agreeing, If I don't agree or don't like your message I can get out.

[@helicopterharry5101]

When is threads going to add search?

[@Ryan-093]

it's had it for a while

[@wackerman7259]

Much like Dana White, he’s willing to lose it all in order to not bend the knee.

[@youdontknowme5969]

I like cookies.

[@Turnabout]

Same old story. These rich a-holes are big believers in the invisible hand of the market until it swats them. Then they cry louder than anyone.

[@GameCyborgCh]

this is pure speculation but while youtube collects our data for the sake of "targeting ads" amd probably offers advertisers to advertise for specific demographics but the advertisers don't care and just buy adspace to show their ads for EVERYONE even people who this product is entirely irrelevant like idk showing tampon ads to male viewers or speakers to a deaf person. so one is definitely is messing up because i have not seen a change in the ads i see after asking several sites to not show me targeted ads.

[@oliviamay]

Anyone know what the tweet Linus didn't repeat at the start was?

[@kamillegault197]

It was an anti-semitic tweet.

[@ForOne814]

@@kamillegault197 anti-semitic as in not 100% praising the Jews or actually based?

[@oliviamay]

@@kamillegault197 that's not unexpected from Musk, but unfortunate all the same. Thanks for the context.

[@ThiccAssRaccoon]

Something along the lines of how Jewish people are promoting anti white stuff

[@Prey4eyes]

Definitely wasn't anti-semetic. He was talking about the ADL!

[@SosaKinkos]

Why aren’t you going to repeat the tweet Linus?

[@Nooneaskedforthis]

I actually like Elon for saying this. There is no pointy is having f*ck you money, if you don't say f*ck you.

[@Rem_NL]

No its not much about fuck you money. It is a common smear tactic he is saying fuck you to. You guys already forgot the Adpocolypse?

[@Nooneaskedforthis]

@@Rem_NL agreed

[@Julmara]

i got miles and miles of political garbage shoved in my face random celeb shit and sports and yes i blocked that already in options and it still keep popping up so yes the for you tab is absolutely unuseable at least for me

[@Spacecookie-]

Elon not being able to accept responsibility, yet again.

[@metacob]

By the way, be careful what videos you click on with musk or any of his products in the thumbnail. Your algorithm might get messed up completely.

[@oakfig]

You just jealous Linus, Elon is your real Dad.