Can You Be a Non-Vegan Environmentalist? In Conversation w/ Jack Harries (The Disclosure Podcast)

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Jack Harries is an environmental activist who started his filmmaking career making short films on KZbin on his hugely popular channel ‘JacksGap’. He was recently arrested during an act of non-violent civil disobedience and shortly afterwards appeared live on the BBC to defend the environmental movement. I speak to Jack about veganism, environmentalism and the potential hypocrisy within the environmental movement.
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[@HardcorebergO]

How strange is that when Jack said his drive in activism is fear and the rest of the world use the same motive not to look into it.

[@oakydokyart5939]

Good point, I guess it's the direction he let his fear take him. Like with any emotion, we can take it the way we direct it. For example, when you're nervous before a stage performance whether it be public speaking or a play, we can direct that feeling into reasoning to avoid what is creating the feeling, or enforce it as excitement, and reason to go out there and put your performance forward because you care. Jack cares about the environment, as well as those who don't look into it out of fear. He took his fear and let it motivate his activism, instead of ignorance. Sorry, you probably already new this that drew you to commenting your point. But in writing this, it made me realise the importance of motive and reasoning. Thanks for the comment, it opened my mind to emotional motive and how we can direct it =)

[@HardcorebergO]

@@oakydokyart5939 ☆

[@ash_530i]

I'm literally in the same boat haha, I have a dream to become a public figure & educate people on things like veganism and psychedelics for a more sustainable and ethical future :) whilst adding my own unique style of art and comedy

[@Violet._.PhoeniX]

@@ash_530i then just do it ....we need to and will support all our vegan activists. Just let us know when u up and running.

[@ash_530i]

@@Violet._.PhoeniX Planning to bro, I'm getting a decent sum of money in a few months so hopefully I can use that to kick-start myself. I have faith :)

[@ALLEYCVTz]

I’m 20 years old and I’ve been eating meat my entire life until 2 years ago. By learning about veganism it actually made me much more environmentally cautious as well and it makes me look back on my past self and realize how blind I was. I feel like I was wearing a mask my entire life until recently. Being vegan is one of the best changes I’ve ever made to my life

[@pandanuscreekfilms6841]

Me too

[@6668528]

Fuck yeah! Thank you.

[@rybelknap]

How did u learn about it 2 years ago? Where u living under a rock?

[@vanessacoelho4220]

@@rybelknap wow come down. She said "learn" not "heard for the first time". I knew about the existence of veganism too, but never properly learned about it, until february.

[@rybelknap]

@@vanessacoelho4220 I said learn. I learned about veganism in elementary school. Where you living under a rock as well?

[@thebionicwoman1762]

Greta's top quote, "our leaders are still flying around the planet eating meat & dairy"... Ted Talk

[@billjoe39]

and nose candy

[@EducationStation01]

Greta's Top Quote: *I Gave Up Meat and Dairy* Subscribe to *Earth Poets* for inspirational Vegan + Planet Heroes.

[@michaelchoate7103]

The Green Swan meat is good

[@Nico-fl3tq]

@@michaelchoate7103 Factually wrong. Since what ever good/benefit you see in meat, be it taste or nutritional value can't outweigh the negative side like animal cruelty, climate impact, water usage by a long shot.

[@beau4588]

They are both so excruciatingly charming

[@karinas.1320]

Beau I have never heard that phrase before but it somehow describes them perfectly

[@sofiasejopoles1459]

OH YES

[@sarahmcquaid5681]

and highly educated

[@DS-uo1zy]

It's so lovely that Jesus is doing these podcasts!

[@katie-ll8hi]

OMG Ed is actually jesus

[@Jedidine]

😭

[@CAZrides]

False prophet

[@MrRebeccaonedirectiorevadame]

That was a day's worth of laughter - Thank you :DD

[@TheSeraphimofextasy]

Stop insulting Jesus, Jesus ate fish and lamb.

[@pilzhut7863]

Im only vegan for two months now but I’m proud for every single day

[@OrangeHealia]

30+ years for me & still proud of myself 😜 - WELCOME 🙏🏻 evolved EARTHLING & let us do this together! 🥰

[@wendywitchner7401]

No steak or bacon for over 43 years😱- not only survived....I thrived- 🌱💪🏼 for decades- Wendy Walton- Vegan

[@artlast6507]

Wendy Witchner 43 years wasted!

[@littlebear9842]

@@artlast6507 🙄

[@wendywitchner7401]

Angažovaná Sépia suck what? Moronic comment- ignorant fool.

[@wendywitchner7401]

Art Last really-😱 same lean muscle as my twenties and in better shape than many people half my age. Most in my age group are on multiple meds and many have chronic pain. Wendy Walton - Vegan

[@EducationStation01]

Excellent work Wendy :). Have you seen the brilliant *Greta Thunberg Is On Fire* by *Earth Poets* yet?

[@AshleyMillsTube]

It's not just a human issue. I keep hearing people saying the planet will be fine. But it isn't true. If we wipe out thousands of species that took millions of years to evolve, that's abyss staringly horrible. Yeah the planet will evolve new ones, but destroying something incredibly beautiful is still horrible.

[@Nico-fl3tq]

I often hear from the denier camp making fun about a Apocalypse like 2012 that is coming. I get the feeling these people only can understand it, when their personal life is affected. And sadly they see human life as absolutely superior and with this context I can understand, when you have to explain to them that it is humans who will be fucked, it will be their children and grand children too who face the consequences. They couldn't care less about millions of species who face extinction.

[@AshleyMillsTube]

@@Nico-fl3tq Yeah good point. I had a debate with a friend once and he had this ridiculous view that science would find a way to re-create species. Ok maybe it will, who knows, but that's pretty far fetched. I think you are right that the self-servatives only really sit up when their own tail is on fire.

[@Lasersplitter]

Yes and no. People tend to forget that destruction, even mass-destruction is a normal part of nature. If that meteor hadn't wiped out the dinosaurs, we probably wouldn't have mammals in today's form. So yes, we may be destroying some species (maybe including ourselves) but new ones will evolve and they may be more beautiful that the ones that came before them

[@ReluctantWarrior]

@@Lasersplitter Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, certainly not a reason to condemn other species to extinction, regardless of weather or not it happens in nature.

[@GeddyRC]

Dude, the planet will be fine. How obnoxious of us to think we can destroy an entire planet. The human race though, oh yeah we can and will easily wipe ourselves out along with every other thing on the planet, but it’ll regenerate over time and the overall earth will be better for it.

[@Bequietbabyyoulady]

I have been vegan for a little over a week now, it doesn’t sound like much but it is an accomplishment for me! Your podcast truely made me make the decision, so thank you!

[@thecraft2091]

Nice work! :)

[@artlast6507]

Jemima Adam turn back while u still can!

[@robkoppany8479]

keep going, its just getting even better!!

[@emilymangan99]

Jemima Adam well done ✨

[@FrancescaPessarelli]

Almost two years vegan here and I'm so happy for you! The beginning is such an exciting time of re-learning life and feeling so impassioned! Good luck on your journey and have fun :)

[@meol526]

I am so proud of where Jack is right now, i have been following him since he was "the basic youtuber teen girls love" and now more then 6 years later i am glad he didnt follow the trash path and is instead using his influence and energy to spread the right messages. You both are the type of men we need, thank your for being so true to this cause.

[@siouiouioui]

I don't like how people use teenage girls liking something as a jab/insult

[@lingoniGERMAN]

It's freakin amazing that Ed decided to take trains in the US instead of airplanes thanks to Greta's influence!

[@serafimb2319]

How do you even do it? Serious question

[@patty1247]

@@serafimb2319 The train/bus system isn’t terribly bad if you are trying to get from one city to another. We just don’t have great public transportation within large cities except for NYC and few others.

[@Shroedinger73]

@@patty1247 that’s because the people like Ford, Rockefeller ,Goodyear, had our excellent public transportation systems destroyed to sell more cars and tires and steel.. America used to have great public transportation (cable cars etc.) until the Rich decided to get richer and politicians got paid off to make it happen... same story of all through human history... & and the sheeple just let it happen as usual

[@scierpka]

@@serafimb2319 he didn't used the train to get to the us from the uk,he used it while he already was in the us,if that was the question..

[@Kiyarose3999]

@@scierpka Yeh, we don’t have trains that run across Oceans. Personally as a long term environmental activist, I totally disagree with anyone using Planes, and there is no need for Earthling Ed to go to the US to campaign, he should stick to his region or at least the UK. Perhaps the Q should be, can a Vegan be an environmentalist while supporting the use of Planes, by using them himself!

[@ChispaMotivation]

2 of my favourite humans talking about veganism, hell yeah! Amazing podcast btw.

[@MutualAidWorks]

The other main ecological problem is not over population but over production and over consumption caused by capitalism's need for infinite economic growth.

[@Elrog3]

So you would rather live in a world with 10000 people that a have a life quality value of 10 than live a world with 5000 people that have a life quality value of 20? Id rather live in the world with better quality of life.

[@jennastark47]

Oh my god I love smart English men

[@ArtbyMagic]

jenna stark or any smart men.

[@merrycrosskram9384]

where you see them though? I never see any, apart from some very few exceptions

[@wokeaf1337]

then u are going to love me cause I am not vegan .)

[@thecozykinoshow]

jenna stark ...this is a big coincidence...

[@wobblybobengland]

Hi you! 👍

[@em8842]

I'm not completely vegan - I don't eat meat or dairy, but I still eat honey and also occasionally eggs when my aunt's chickens lay some. I try to avoid plastic, I don't own a car, I no longer fly unless I absolutely have to. I recycle what my city allows me to. It's not perfect, but I still think that is pretty environmentally friendly, even if it's not vegan. So in my opinion you don't have to be vegan to be an environmentalist, but continuing to eat especially red meat and dairy on a regular basis is irresponsible when you claim to care about the environment.

[@eda-if7gs]

👏👏👏

[@leecann9936]

Imo it shouldn't take environmental problems it's should be cruelty grounds when we can just eat something else.

[@em8842]

@@leecann9936 I agree, but the question was about environmentalism and not about animal cruelty :) If you only care about the environmental aspect of changing your diet, then you can help the environment without going completely vegan - but you're right, that doesn't address the moral and ethical problems with eating meat.

[@GeddyRC]

Thing about eggs is if you have them once in a while you aren’t getting the maximum health benefits from having no dietary cholesterol and saturated animal based fat in your diet.

[@ugh4387]

@@GeddyRC fuck me you fundamentalists are never happy, are you? people try and try yet to vegans its still not good enough. vegans are in a constant game of one upmanship and trying to out vegan each other and nothing is ever enough to you people. you know why people don't want to go vegan? its because unless you're 100% perfect at it 24/7 vegans will breathe down your neck about it. just be happy people are being more open to the idea and praise people when they do well instead of being a fucking extremist.

[@phoebelight8993]

two great minds make one great conversation. thanks for what you do, you both restore my faith in humanity.

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

Yay Ed!....good luck at Columbia University tonight

[@Therealleofitlife]

He did such an amazing job there!

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

@@Therealleofitlife excellent to hear; wanted to go, but figured I'd donate my seat to a non-vegan ;)

[@CAZrides]

Fuck vegans and ed

[@AM-tb4fn]

@@CAZrides you can't

[@Trevor-Stoddart]

In the early 1980's Kathleen Jannaway, who was then the secretary of the UK Vegan society, would promote Veganism to environmental groups like Friends of the Earth using environmental arguments, such as 'The Second Population Explosion ' (cattle) and freeing land to grow trees. I'm sure Kathleen would love the work you are doing Ed. Great conversation.

[@ialeluise8742]

I've been waiting for this meeting of you two for so long!

[@kristiank1276]

Jack references a lot of things. I just zapped through the podcast again and think i got most of them: The Guardians Green Light Greenpec On EARTH NYT climate news Yale Environment 360 In A Nutshell youtube channel VOX (educational stuff, news) David Wallace The Unihabitable Earth

[@Adelehalsall]

I couldn't catch the name of the book so thank you!

[@welcomeback2mychannel]

Instead of taxing meat/animal products, they should withdraw subsidies and direct that money elsewhere.

[@sevenstarfish1546]

Kate W i agree, imo they should add more subsidies to fruits/vegetables so lower income families can afford them

[@vegantina6565]

Kate W agree. Or do both

[@pandanuscreekfilms6841]

Definitely, in Australia they could redirect it to tree planting as animal farming has contributed to massive wildlife habitat loss.

[@pandanuscreekfilms6841]

@@sevenstarfish1546 There was an article I read not too long ago in one of the Australian papers about this type of programme and it worked really well I think it was operating out of western Sydney, then the powers that be decided to withdraw funding and they article was trying to highlight this issue.

[@welcomeback2mychannel]

pandanus creek films hmm not tree-planting per se. Most of the land used for livestock was never covered in trees. Some parts, like the Otways, absolutely. But certainly to restoring the soil and managing other flora and fauna.

[@Therealleofitlife]

This is brilliant! Loved the speech you gave yesterday at Colombia University! It was such a pleasure to finally meet you. Thank you for spreading such a positive message. Thank you for showing us that we all have the power to make change putting in terms on drops of water. We are one drop but together we make a massive splash. My goal now is to show that we can build muscle and get protein from plants and whole foods without harming animals and damaging the planet. Thank you so much, Ed, for lighting this fire in my heart and mind to help educate people and show them the Vegan lifestyle.

[@kathquinn3912]

I worked for GreenPeace in the 80's and was horrified that most of the folks working or volunteering here actually ate meat! I was vegetarian at the time.

[@Pa-gy5vh]

I'm sure there was a vegan horrified that you ate dairy. Don't be horrified - educate. Everyone starts off naive to a topic before they learn. You're no better than someone else just because you have more/different information than them.

[@yi-shuanliu4175]

What a great discussion! I participated in the Global school strike for climate in Montreal in March and I was quite frustrated listening to speeches by young kids talking about picking up garbage and taking public transport when I was a holding a "Go Vegan" sign. But I was also happy I wasn't the only one, I saw maybe 4-5 vegan signs which means that people ARE aware that animal agriculture is arguably the biggest issue and factor causing global warming. I believe we can like you said "meet them where they're at" and really help them see the bigger picture. I am sure young people like me have more vigour and willingness to change. That's why I love Genesis Butler and her campaign to fight climate change with diet change. It's so empowering!

[@pandanuscreekfilms6841]

Agreed, its a great opportunity to help people move forward from where they are at.

[@yi-shuanliu4175]

T and yet Greta Thunberg is Vegan and people took notice of my sign and took pictures of my sign and liked it on social media........yeah completely useless huh

[@yi-shuanliu4175]

T so are the signs that ask for the government to do something more useful than the signs that tell people they can solve the problem by implementing change in their lifestyle habits?

[@heykyu5892]

Yi-Shuan Liu why are you frustrated at them? They are doing something for the environment maybe it’s not much but it’s still something! Global warming is not just one big problem with one solution it’s caused by many many things has many factors and there are many ways to help it

[@AmateurSurgeonThe3rd]

The issue with the fuel tax rise in France is that it unfairly affected those who couldn't afford the tax (those working rurally). Any tax needs to be made without putting working people's livelihoods at risk.

[@lisavadsten5402]

This is my favorite talk from you Ed. Loved hearing both of your opinions one all these topics. much love

[@Jose-ti4ws]

I’ve been having this on my mind for a while; like in the USA we’ve got this hardcore environmentalists AOC and Bernie; have never heard them mentioning Veganism, I’m like, 🤔

[@blissfulldoom5452]

Cause americans ..... "know" ..... that veganism is horrible and will make them die. They seriously need calf-milk and will die from protein deficiency and love hunting cause otherwise the deer population will take over their goverment. Literally every american i've ever talked to. So they'd loose alot of their support right of the bat, simply cause of ignorance.

[@DaProHobbit]

Because it would be political suicide in America. You need to have a large amount of public support before advocating for something as a politician, otherwise you won't get any votes.

[@bubbles4925]

AOC talks about giving up meat at least one day a week as a start for americans to follow. you can't just tell people to completely give up meat when that's all they have known their whole lives. got to start with small steps. That's how I started my vegan journey. slowly giving up meat and realizing I dont need it as much as i thought i did

[@bamwesty8158]

That'd probably be political suicide considering all the dogma surrounding veganism

[@Debar28]

Bernie briefly alluded about the dangers of industrial farming before on Twitter, which is the closest you can get to politicians addressing the issue. Not to mention that the current demand for animal products can only be met by factory farming so the best option is to advocate for veganism which of course is too controversial to have as a platform. AOC briefly mentioned Americans needing to "eat less beef" and Republicans bashed her and Fox News plastered it as her wanting to "kill all the cows" which is as fear-mongery as it gets. Like Ed said, it's easier to evade responsibility for the impending doom that we're facing and dismiss it altogether instead of ever acknowledging it. edit: typo

[@Jeff_Segal]

So great to hear you guys talking about Greta Thunberg. She’s one of my inspirations. The KZbin channel Jack mentioned is Kurzgesagt. Lots of great, informative vids there. Edited to add that I’ve now listened to the whole podcast. Brilliant, inspiring and honest discussion. Thank you both!!!

[@GeddyRC]

Jeff Segal some good content there but their recent video about meat consumption was very misleading and full of contradictions. Pretty bizarre conclusions actually. Mix the Vegan put up a great response video to it.

[@MrTrevisco]

Population can not be sustained until we have halted our destructive traits, even at existing population levels.

[@sunshinekid871]

I think it's interesting to see how calm and tender Jack and Ed talk to each other. I always believed Ed's "discussion style" is the way he talks in his other videos with strangers on the street, but with this video I realized that there is a lot of energy in his way of speaking in those other videos even though he still comes across as calm and collected. That amazes me!

[@hilkevanmeurs970]

Ed don't feel sorry for flying, that way you use your time the most efficient. You use that time to turn people into vegans, which has a way bigger impact! Keep up the good work, I'm a massive fan!!

[@charleysmith5849]

It's better for everyone to be imperfect environmentalists than for one person to be a perfect environmentalist. That's my opinion at least, if everyone can make little changes that's better than nothing, people shouldn't be put off by fears of hypocracy, but I understand why they are.

[@keziahmayer6155]

Yeah I think start on the path and make incremental changes continually.

[@user-qp8tl1if9o]

This was all so well said, bravo 👏

[@alicelee2913]

I have been hoping that you guys would do a podcast together for ages!!!!!

[@onebreathwell-being]

I liked what you said about meeting people where they are at, with regards to change Ed. It reminded me of the Cycle of Change and how we can untilise the different interventions at each stage of change to help people move forwards. I absolutely loved this podcast. Keep up the good work Ed and great to see Jack Harries 🌱✌🏻🌏

[@elizabethviola8587]

The best podcast! You 2 are my favorites :) Well done!

[@simplybyellika5308]

Excellent conversation. Thought provoking subjects beautifully discussed. 🙏

[@Asis2]

I really enjoyed the talk! Thank you for you wise words and advises!

[@LouisGedo]

*Create a Better World by......GOING and staying VEGAN*

[@LouisGedo]

@Meshari Why not?

[@LouisGedo]

@@traymitt How would you sell it?

[@LouisGedo]

@@traymitt Exactly, that's precisely why I choose not to sell the Cult of Carnism

[@LouisGedo]

@Meshari For creating a Better World for the sake of those sentient individuals living on that world

[@LouisGedo]

@@traymitt No....it's because I have such pity for you, I'm giving you really easy one....and even those easy one's perplex you!

[@mdeli8215]

thank you for everything you do!!!!

[@user-qp8tl1if9o]

Jack your mom must be so proud ♥️

[@nadaaben4219]

First time in a while ive enjoyed and been focused for a podcast, thank you

[@lindaschoormans6881]

It was a very good talk to listened to. Thank you so much for What you both are doing!

[@pegbuckner5074]

Amazing 💚💚 Thank you so much!

[@damocan666]

You’re my favourite promoter of this cause. Peace and understanding is how we progress . Compassion and education is what everyone needs

[@vegandmindful1678]

Great episode! Thanks to both of you 🙏🌱❤️

[@marwannaciri1926]

Hi Ed, I'm French and I can explain a few things about the reaction of the people to the raise of gas taxes. A few months before this decision, the president had cancelled the ISF (impôt sur la fortune=taxes that only the super rich had to pay). At the same time, public transportation prices were (and still are) rising, privatisation of highways from a few years ago had led to people paying much more to use them (and still does), railways are being shut down, etc... So when the government asks everybody to pay more to use their car, poor people reacted in a logical and sensible manner: by saying no. And this tax is even more unfair that it impacts poor people the most: they spend a greater percentage of what they earn in gas than ido the rich (so increasing this tax is really increasing what is already the opposite of a fair tax), and poor people generally have to commute more to get to their workplace because of gentrification and the higher prices of housing near jobs (=in the city). So this tax really is the most unfair one there is (even more unfair given the context). It was about making ends meet for the people, that's why they said no. The govenrments could have suggested fighting tax fraud to use the billions (>50 billion a year if I remember correctly) we lose each year in France alone to fight climate change.

[@anns5797]

Clicked on this video out of curiosity having no clue about either of these channels but being vegan myself it made me curious and it was so inspiring and thought provoking- just a thanks for this video

[@oguzalpsamli6823]

When I listen you I feel like I'm listening a bedtime story from my mother. Just perfectly relaxing

[@zenden8030]

Great video! I’ve always wondered about this topic..

[@elektriksheep]

Great talk, guys. Very interesting.

[@Lozwave]

I loved this discussion. One of the most important topics of our time, I genuinely love listening to you both, bring Jack back Ed!

[@sounanya3]

already looking forward to the next episode

[@iamash3309]

Loved this podcast.

[@user-ov8zc7rz7i]

Cosmic Sceptic wants to chat with you Ed. :)

[@JoelChristophel]

Word

[@iwnunn7999]

11:11. He must.

[@sunnypepper4777]

Very informative. (Not sure if the problem was my tablet, your microphones, or your voices, but so much vocalfry on this it was more difficult to listen to, maybe something to look into? If only that were the only problem to address in this world!) Thank you both for all your activism and public education, a real service.

[@Pa-gy5vh]

Think it was the device you were listening on. I had no problems and can't see any other comments similar to yours :)

[@izzyl.6389]

I absolutely love you both! Keep on doing what ur doing! Super inspirational❤️

[@pauladeensbuttbutter]

Izzy L. I love your pfp lol

[@izzyl.6389]

Thanks:) i love it tooo

[@ShivaleePatel]

Great discussion ! Thank you Ed

[@Alexxb159]

If you will be near St. louis, MO this weekend there is an AV cube at delmar loop from 3:30 to 5:30, would absolutely love to have you there! Love your work!

[@petradungate9560]

Thank you to both of you!!!!!! We need people like you running the government being politicians I live in hope

[@Nigel1502]

Great discussion and hopefully help more people think more clearly - thank you

[@carlymae3823]

brilliant podcast, so interesting and comprehensive, loved it.

[@julianamerz9493]

Love this. Thank you both.

[@stop3tombs]

I really enjoy listening to your podcasts

[@janetarmstrong9242]

Great podcast guys👍🏼

[@onceatime2many]

I never comment on videos but I gotta say this was amazing, thank you

[@rogue3524]

Thank you for sharing.

[@samanthakates5668]

So many things I never even considered. Like places becoming inhabitable. It’s so sad so many people seem to care so little. People in power need to wake up. Our planet is more important than wealth. What good will money be when the planet is dead?

[@evas.1688]

Ed, I just thought that I saw you in a club yesterday and got so excited! That guy was pretty confused and I was so sad when I realised that it wasn't you. Now I want to meet you one day even more! 😢 Would have been the moment of my life!!

[@kay4829]

I’m vegan as of 1st May, thanks to this video. I’ve been watching Jack for years so this was in my recommended videos. It started a snowball effect and I watched Earthlings, Dominion, Land of Hope and Glory, What the Health, Forks over Knives, Vegan 2017/2018, Let us be Heroes, and other KZbinrs like Joey Carbstrong and James Aspey. Best decision I’ve ever made, only wish I’d have done it sooner. Thank you Ed. Thank you Jack.

[@otiliatibljas2814]

Great Podcast 🙌💚🙌💚🌱

[@madi972100]

all I took away from this podcast is that you both need to try the tofu from the brand Taifun and that the best tofu is definitely the black forest smoked tofu with sesame seeds inside. Insane 👌🏽. Thank you for sharing and for all you both do. Big inspiration 🙏🏽❤️💚

[@frenchstick245]

Great discussion 👍

[@Shaynaynay101]

Great discussion

[@sebastienmontbriand-leduc2166]

Great video, man !

[@NikhitaPrabhudesai]

"It's funny how the word extremist/radical is used so freely with vegans. The word radical is supposed to have negative connotation, but challenging any dominant systematic paradigm seems radical because it's not what we're used to. But when you realise what a serious issue it is, it doesn't seem extreme, infact it seems the opposite. It seems necessary, and right." Really relate to this because I used to find it really extreme as well, until you are open to knowing the truth. It's nice not to know and to be ignorant. Ignorance is bliss. We're really good at choosing not to know since we can avoid taking accountability for our choices. But once you know you can't go back and you think differently.

[@ElizaCoolsma]

thanks guys, feeling a bit more hopeful after a week of reading everything there is to learn about climate change (which doesn't make anyone hopeful). I'll do my best to create more activism in my yoga community, as I feel that's a place where change can happen fast. thank you again!

[@EllieRialasMusic]

Ed, I think it’d be really interesting to see a debate between a religious person who’s advocates for veganism and one who believe we’re meant to eat animals. I see you speaking to many religious people, particularly Christians who believe we should eat animals. But I’m a vegan Christian and I personally believe veganism is in harmony with Christian views and values and there’s are huge argument for veganism and the Bible.

[@stav1702]

"I't would be nicer not to know, but once you know u can't really go back" I feel exactly the same.

[@maloriegrubbs4656]

I could listen to these two all day.. Brilliant.

[@jonh8597]

what a great conversation. thanks guys, for doing this stuff and making it available to us humble muggles.

[@niranjansinghdangi8397]

Don't tell me you seriously believe this vegan militant

[@pranayuga]

Love your podcast! 💚

[@earthlingvegans2143]

Love this talk

[@lindaschoormans6881]

Dear Ed. I’m curious if there is coming a may podcast 😬. Don’t want to push you but Just REALY looking forward to it. 😘

[@MercyForTheInnocent]

much love and respect

[@sac1303]

Kudos to both men for the great work they are doing.

[@Blucamels]

The problem with increasing tax on fuel in France, after the prices had increased all year, was so unfair when in rural areas there is no public transport at all. The people in Paris are not so affected by the increasing diesel prices. The people have been encouraged to buy diesel cars. The second hand car market is not the same as the UK, company cars are not so common so people keep their cars a lot longer. Food prices have climbed over the last ten years, and electricity is about to rise too.

[@EmmyHucker]

Two favourites!

[@netflixmania8576]

Please do another podcast with Jack

[@MutualAidWorks]

One of the main ecological problems is production being geared towards short term profit and as a result ignoring long term ecological consequences

[@Miss7LU]

Loved this episode 💚

[@tembitlhabane5367]

so wonderful

[@hatmoney3340]

Yes

[@danielpena3931]

Ed! Go on the Cosmic Skeptic's podcast. I'd love to hear the two of you talking about the morality of animal suffering and factory farming. Greetings from America!

[@dontforgetthenumbers]

Kurzgesagt has a video with some great info on animal ag, but then they completely contradict the weight of the problem they spell out by recommending meatless Mondays

[@hannerikruger7216]

i just watched all his videos on meat etc and it made me so sad, that channel holds so much weight, can you imagine how much good they'd do if they suggested veganism

[@thebionicwoman1762]

Brilliant! Both of U ! ❤️✌🏽

[@callumchurches2951]

Love jack and Ed so knew this podcast was going to bang.. great work, great listen, go vegan

[@pascalinevanoost267]

Ed, i think it would be realy useful to tackle this question of "cows being good for the environment" (grass and soils issue). I feel like its the one criticism I get from people that I can't answer and you have not really talked about yet. Otherwise thank you for an amazing podcast once again ❤

[@MrTrevisco]

If farmers stopped killing wildlife all over their farms then those alone would deposit the manure needed to sustain the soils without any need for farmed animals.

[@searchingforwonder]

It seems to me that many many people (myself included) have a habit of going to the polar opposite of the thing that they disagree with. We have an in built mechanism to avoid pain and discomfort be it physical or emotional so when we encounter that we look for a solution that is as far from that event as possible. We rarely seek an alternative that could lie in the middle ground. I went plant based (vegan) 18 months ago, I'm glad I did i certainly have no interest in going back. I came in for health reasons but at the time was still not prepared to look to deeply under the covers around animal suffering or environmental damage so I still bought other products that have animal materials in them such as leather. However over the last 6 months I have been prepared to push my personal boundary and accept a level of discomfort I wasn't ready to before. I have watched Dominion among others and I'm now looking at just about every possible option to avoid animal products all together. But it took time and a personal willingness to get there. I'm almost certain if I was pestered, harassed, abused etc during my journey it might have stalled out or reversed. Instead it was given the time it needed to flourish and mature. Being Vegan or being an environmentalist or any other tag you want is an identity and sometimes people need an entrance point somewhere before they can ever get to a deeper place. If we don't give people the ability to walk that path with encouragement and civility it will be very hard to ever guide them further. I firmly think that many of us forget that without an environment nothing much else will matter, no label, no tag, no identity as we will not have the luxury to worry about such things. Our hand may be forced. Lets try as best we can to guide and encourage people (I know time may well be short for our environment but rushing people is not likely going to work and most likely ends in defeat). Meet them at the point of entry they have started at, guide them further, show them compassion and understanding and maybe they will build their own tolerance to meet you in the middle. Who knows how far they can go from there? As more people become Vegan / Plant Based the compounding effect can be significant and the doubling effect can start to happen very quickly. We may all be surprised at just how fast this tide will turn if we meet people with kindness. Thanks Ed for your voice and work, I very much respect the way you conduct yourself towards others. Have an awesome day.

[@andreea.cristina.popescu]

50 people consume as much as 1 Westerner? Hmm interesting point Still if you travel a bit you will notice that people in developing countries have no idea about the impact of their choices. In Vietnam, India, Indonesia many other places you will see rivers and oceans floating with plastic and chemicals....don't forget that the destruction of our habitat is more than our diets (I'm vegan and I think that everyone should be but I also think that there are more factors to be considered). What I used to say after living in Vietnam...for every zero waste Westerner there are thousands of people in developing countries who use kilos of plastic a week...we want change? Raise awareness and educate all continents!! Act locally think globally!! Great podcast btw 🌱