Can You Be Legally Nonbinary in the UK?

[@jmr]

Seems like a software engineer would be cheaper then lawyers.

[@mycosys]

google the Horizon Scandal if you want to understand the civil service mentaility

[@NathanielSimpson1481]

But no one in the Tory government has a mate they can shove a backhander to to do it (see the mess with the contact tracking system for Covid that came to £35 million on the app alone)

[@elenna_alexia]

yeah you'd think, but nevertheless they'll keep fighting the battles. German national rail fought a huge long case about it cause changing their computer system was simply too hard or so they argued. They lost that case and then still tried to delay implementation further.

[@Gabdube]

Yes. But it's still not at all a technical issue anyway. The UK already accepts passports and papers from many countries that have a third gender as an option on their ID. You can take a long business trip to London as an openly enby, and never be bothered for it. But staying there is where they draw the line apparently.

[@pault1289]

Exactly, but bureaucracies don't work like that, they work on inertia.

[@linamishima]

UK trans cyber nerd here, thank you so much for all your support for these sorts of things

[@isaaccisa]

There was actually a very similar case in Spain, and the TSJA (Andalucía’s regional supreme court) ruled a few weeks ago that people whose gender is legally recognized as nonbinary in their home countries have the right to be recognised as such in immigration documents. However, Spanish citizens still can not change their national identity documents to a gender outside the binary.

[@AllieStrange]

I threw them $35, I'm also nonbinary, so I really hope they end up winning this. Also, Deviant, I appreciate when you talk about gender issues, I came for the cybersecurity and lock picking but stayed for the wholesome good person you are heh.

[@KtVogtF]

Thanks for not being cowed by the "Wahhh gender and social justice politics in *my* tech content!" crowd. I appreciate it being a transwoman (and hacker/maker) in tech. Best of luck for your friend. ❤🏴💣

[@chrisball3778]

I worked for the UK Civil Service about 10 years ago and some of the in-house programs we used seemed to genuinely be from the 1980's. They HATE updating their craptastic tech. That said, I don't believe them when they claim that it's all the computer's fault they can't recognise Ryan's gender identity- we had to use all kinds of workarounds to compensate for the general shitness of the systems we used. If there was a real willingness to help, I'm pretty sure they could find some way of cludging something acceptable.

[@Gabdube]

They do have a bunch of workarounds for queer people going on business trips to London. But strangely nothing for queer people trying to stay there, gain citizenship, and eventually vote. Surely that is entirely a technical issue and not at all ideological.

[@zellfaze]

I am transgender myself. I really appreciate this video. Thank you so much for consistently being a decent person.

[@ncc74656m]

Donated, thank you for the coverage, Dev. I hope to hell that this at least remains a thorn in the side of the UK government for a very long time. Best of luck, Ryan. As to the issue of the government running out the clock on things, I know a lot about that. A very good friend of mine was hit by a cop in NY and in spite of severe injuries, he wouldn't even take her seriously until she found her bag in the back seat (while pinned) and got her card to prove she was a lawyer. Once she did, he just got back in the car and took off. It took her well over 10 hears to even get a reasonable settlement offer from the city with buckets full of evidence.

[@DeviantOllam]

That's utterly crazy

[@rebornfenix4412]

This is the one reason I caution people against putting something other than M or F on a US passport. The warning I give is “If you ever intended to travel internationally, make sure you research the countries you ever plan on going to and make sure the X won’t cause issues with immigration.”

[@bholdr----0]

The more I think about this issue, as perhaps the great (new-ish, yet ancient) civil rights issue of this era/generation, the more I am concerned, frustrated, outraged. It was easy for me to check a box, decades ago, being cis, but, now, given how utterly outrageous that such historically recent yet persavise and dangerous relics (such as the very concept of dichotomatic homo/heterosexuality of the Victorian/post-enlightenment era) are poisoning the (so-called) modern, free world... I'm tempted to try to change... something. Or DO more... (I DO write to my reps, VOTE, donate what little I can) I'm just more and more aware of how bad it has been and how it may be getting worse in many places that ought to be leading the way into a more free future. What to do, though? I believe that encouraging others to do what little they are able or willing to do is a good start. Yet... Excuse my rambling, but, the seemingly clear lines delineating issues of sexuality and gender that were common in my youth seem more and more obviously uninformed, oversimplified, ignorant, bigoted, harmful, atavistic, and... wrong, these days. But then again, 'I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now...'.

[@TheCatherineCC]

Canada has recently been allowing nb folks to change X markers to binary markers on passports free of charge because of travel issues and the UK

[@famitory]

that and it gives your govt. a list that could be very unpleasantly used in the wrong hands. many western/central european countries specifically don't have centralized birth certificate registries for this very reason (although it was more about the religieon and ethnicity feilds than the gender feild when the rules were created that way)

[@ajosmer]

I really appreciate you doing this video. I'm non-binary myself, and even though I live my life largely as a man, government forms always make me feel othered. There's no way in hell the particular dystopia we're working so hard on in the US is going to do anything about it, but maybe the UK will have a chance of doing a little belated good. It's always helpful when people in other spheres of influence share important stories that many people might never hear otherwise. It helps us all grow as human beings.

[@recklessroges]

Sadly the 2021 UK Supreme Court ruling against Christie Elan-Cane has set a precedent that is going to be tough to correct, (especially with the current government and), despite the fact that the UK computer systems HAVE to have provision for a third gender due to at least seven countries already have a third gender on their passports and the UK accepts those passports!

[@hyperfresh]

Australian here who recently went through the gender change process to be recognised as non-binary, including a process to reissue my passport with the "sex" marker being noted as "X" which is allowed for non-binary people in Australia. While I'm not intending to be a UK resident, I certainly am planning to visit one day... but if even a UK resident has trouble being recognised as a non-binary person , I fear I could have the same amount of issues when it comes to identification. The Australian government does note that some countries may throw hands at a person who tries to immigrate through with an X to their gender, but I certainly wouldn't have expected the UK to be one of those countries... or perhaps I did, considering the nature of their current government. I do hope Ryan is able to push through with getting recognised within UK systems, and that as a travelling enby myself who knwos they'll face discrimination along the track of my travels, other non-binary people across the world can get the recognition they deserve as well.

[@mycosys]

I wish i was Victorian like you :( NSW sadly. i am not allowed to exist here. Not allowed to drive or use a wheelchair cos of weed for pain. Not allowed to have my existence acknowledged. At least Laboural have proven they are the same party i guess.

[@sfdntk]

@@mycosysPlease don't make the mistake of equating Labor and the Libs / LNP just because Labor isn't progressive enough or fast enough, that kind of political apathy is exactly the environment in which fascism thrives. Labor could not be more diametrically opposed to the Libs / LNP in terms of their accomplishments, priorities, funding sources, and more. That doesn't mean they're perfect, far from it, we can all name a dozen areas in which Labor is wholly deficient. But the difference between Labor and the Libs / LNP is that we can push Labor to move further left, while absolutely nothing can push the Libs / LNP further left. I don't say any of this to diminish the very real and important issues you're talking about, or to minimise your personal experience. I don't exactly love Labor, I don't think I've given them my primary vote even once in my entire life. I'm just very conscious of the fact that this sort of defeatist "both sides are the same" talk is exactly what drove America to the utterly insane position it's in right now, and neither of us want that for Australia.

[@mycosys]

@@sfdntk sorry, should have said the two neoliberal capital parties funded by identical donors are functionally the same apart form the marketing. Nothing apathetic - they are the same neolib philosophy, one just a bit more than the other. Your desperate reaching to avoid the core fact is why we are in such trouble

[@mycosys]

@@sfdntk Did it ever occur to you that the problem in the US is that both sides ARE the same. Bought by the same people? That maybe the problem is any progressive alternative is deliberately crushed by them?

[@sfdntk]

@@mycosys Keep carrying that water for fascists, I'm sure they'll gladly give you basic human rights when the time comes.

[@FunkyNige]

If I’m being pedantic the thumbnail is a map of Great Britain, not UK (missing Northern Ireland)

[@connerturner529]

It's a post 2024 Irish reunification map.

[@DeviantOllam]

Oh my how on earth could that have happened when I made this thumbnail? Ulster must have accidentally fallen off the edge of the map without my ever noticing. 😏

[@2lefThumbs]

Yeah he conflates the UK and England too (disregarding Scotland's recent issue with Westminster on this matter)

[@solum879]

Perhaps, and this is a crazy thought, it wasn't conflating and he wasn't disregarding​@@2lefThumbs

[@chrisrowarth4874]

@@DeviantOllam well, the Earth is flat, if you ask the right (wrong) people. Perhaps there wasn't space for it, just like there wasn't space on the wood for Jack AND rose :D

[@cheeseparis1]

First drop the constraint then recreate it ALTER TABLE person ADD CONSTRAINT CK_Gender CHECK (gender IN ('male','female','nonbinary')); The IT manager's nephew will do it during his summer internship.

[@Gabdube]

Yeah but in that case the constraint has to _want_ to change.

[@r2db]

I would not be surprised if the back end data was in old-school fixed-width records stored on a mainframe where someone coded gender as a one bit field.

[@mxrilesy]

Hi! I don’t know you. Ryan linked this video on their Crowdfund update. I am non-binary in the UK. It is such a pain and just awful bullshittery that I can’t be legally recognised in my own country. I have been following Ryan’s case very closely. I am in no position to donate much myself but I am cheering this on wholeheartedly. Thank you for making this video and spreading awareness. I do hope your followers here can also help out where possible. I would love TERF Island to become a little more hospitable. Xxx

[@kimdu-ri6893]

We appreciate this.

[@AdamMansbridge]

The government agency I work for added a change to add "x" for "other" for the sex question on our forms It cost half a design day; half a developer day; one test day each for about four systems. That's less than a p-week

[@ii7317]

Non-technical safe environment is just as important as the technical one! Good luck to Ryan, thanks for bringing up these topics.

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

I read about their case, it's awful. UK citizen here, our immigration system is notoriously bad under governments of every stripe but under this administration it's as bad as it can be. This lot is desperately fighting the culture wars to shore up their support and immigration of every kind is an easy target, unless you're cis het white and English speaking they'll erect as many barriers as they can. Fortunately our Conservatives don't dare roll back what gender recognition we have but they sure as heck won't improve matters unless forced.

[@smokerjim]

Yeah, cos stopping trans people from using the toilets of the gender they identify with or stopping brown people escaping warzones from having legal routes of entry are so much more important than addressing minor shit like the cost of living, the NHS getting privatised piece by piece, benefits claimants being treated with utter contempt and suspicion for a pittance - the fundamentals of living in the UK might be fucked, but hey, the bitter, old, white Tories will be able to stick it to everyone else - love from an old, white and bitter lefty Sorry for the tone, and sarcasm & thanks for the catharsis

[@Mengmoshu]

Because it isn't all the time that you bring up politics I actually like it. Even when I don't entirely agree with you.

[@ben_west]

Thanks for bringing attention to this

[@AugustMcKenna]

I just pitched in £5. Thanks Dev!

[@Enriath]

Thank you for talking about this Deviant. As a British trans woman, I've often joked to friends that the easiest thing we get over here is changing our names, and it is... technically. A lot of companies and government bodies make it obnoxious to actually register that name change with them, especially for neurodivergent people such as myself. I'd always known the UK's immigration stuff was terrible from a Canadian friend who tried to live here, but hearing about all this mess that Ryan's brought to light is just saddening. There's also a load of dumb little things I've found out on my journey, like how apparently the number on a UK drivers licence has gender encoded into it. It doesn't show up anywhere else on it, but it's still noted there, and I'd bet money (if I had any) that the government will argue that they can't support NB individuals legally because of that (maybe not for Ryan's case specifically, but as a knock-on effect or in a later case). The public sector (the civil service) is honestly a mess; I've worked for a part of it in the past, and I dated someone who worked for other parts, so I'm not surprised that they're pulling the "waaaah it's too difficult" argument; The sheer amount of layers of bureaucracy that exist simply for the sake of bureaucracy is staggering and sad. Still, I hope the courts will drill some sense into the government, as you mentioned the US courts did with Kara's case.

[@mycosys]

Are you making plans for escape to a safe country? I cant imagine being on TERF Island as the US & UK lurch fash. Pl stay safe.

[@wyattw9727]

Lmao that's great a US judge actually pointed out the inadequacy of the 'but hard' excuse for gender recognition. I'm actually shocked the US legal system could even reach such a simple solution.

[@_SmiIe_]

Never knew you’d be touching on these kinds of subjects, awesome!

[@shysonofficial]

Ryan seems like an amazing person, thanks for everything dude we all need people like you

[@robotmachine]

Thank you for posting this.

[@pault1289]

Donated, you're doing a grand driving raising things like this. We need an ally sometimes.

[@marcppparis]

I immigrated from Canada to US. I also lived in UK for 2 years. I have to say it was much worse for US to UK than Canada to US . Shocked me

[@moth.monster]

I got legally recognized as nonbinary in Maryland by going to the MVA, showing a few identity documents, and paying 20 bucks for a new ID card to get made.

[@TheCatherineCC]

Thanks for being an ally. The few bigots in the comments show who they are

[@syncrossus]

Let me preface this with the fact that I'm all for the UK recognizing non-binary people. With that said, I *do* think it's an edge case. 1 million in the US *is* a small number. It's less than 0.3% of the population. Mx Castellucci says there are tens of thousands of non-binary people in the UK, which sounds like a lot, but even assuming the number is as large as 100k, that's less than 0.15% of the population. It doesn't mean we shouldn't care, however.

[@Audiobungalow]

Thanks for bringing this up D! Just donated.

[@liam_hurlburt]

good video, I'm sharing it with my people

[@rbnlenin]

Thanks so much for being you, Deviant

[@davetreadwell]

Thank you SO much for sharing this. Ryan is doing SUCH a good thing, but it's recieved next to no media support or coverage. I've donated to their fundraiser, not only because it's important for all, but also I have a vested interest as a trans-non-binary individual. It's a death by a thousand cuts on a daily basis dealing with anything vaguely official. I can have MX as my title on driving licence/passport/bank details etc. But my gender still has to be one or the other. My employer can gender me correctly internally, but the payroll and employee management software only has M/F because for tax reasons you have to be one or the other. My doctors surgery can't deal with not sitting in either box - and whilst there are health reasons for declaring your assigned sex at birth, they can't reflect my non-binary gender on any systems, databases or records.

[@bholdr----0]

Keep fighting the good fight, D and Ryan, and everyone else... and thanks for caring: Also, everyone- it's SO EASY to copy/paste/send emails, etc, to your Reps/ Senators/ Governers/ AGs, etc... It takes like 5 minutes/week(!!) to be annoying enough to get actually listened to... Those letters get COUNTED- give it a shot! Anyway, CHEERS, everyone! B

[@Cfomodz]

What I learned today: I am a tourist

[@AdamMansbridge]

I really like my smart lights, but they're smart globes, not fittings, and tested they fail back to normal control I don't think i want smart fittings that need significantly more cost or effort to fix

[@unity3938]

The UK Immigration system a hellish! They brought in this insane points based system a few years ago while I was trying to get my American partner moved over. They are a vetenary nurse at a time when the government was desperate for vetenary workers and still they couldn't get anywhere near the points needed to live or work there. Having lived in both the UK and now the US for 4 years I can say that while the US is more vocally falling to fascism, they arnt as far as the quiet burocratic fascism in the UK. It sounds weird but I feel safer in a safe state over in the US than I did in the UK.

[@jayzo]

Hopefully we get the conservative government out by the end of the year and we can maybe start the process to sort this shit out. I'd like to apologise on behalf of my country for this stuff. I do not stand for quite a lot of stuff the UK government has done over the last decade and a half. They've destroyed our rights and our futures in the name of xenophobia, transphobia, and racism, and deflecting from their own corruption.

[@Dogo.R]

I feel like the real solution here is to not have any gender spot in government documents. Similiar to how their isnt like a spot for eye color. The gender you identify as shouldnt matter to the government and you should be treated the same no matter what it is, no?

[@theod0r]

My (german) ID literally has a spot for eye color x.x

[@TheAechBomb]

​@@theod0reye color and height are pretty standard, they can be used to help identify you

[@blueizumi]

Speaking as an American, while we have many states that are absolutely awful to the trans community…it amazes me how Britain at times manages to outdo us in anti-trans actions

[@DissociatedWomenIncorporated]

The UK government is awful, especially now. Really wish I didn’t live here.

[@modchmod777]

As another non-binary immigrant to the UK (though technically a citizen from birth), I've been dreading this exact issue. When I got my UK passport I went with what was on birth nation's passport because that was what was legally required. I need to change my name and I'm going to change my birth certificate's sex marker as well, which my birth country allows, but I have no clue how the UK is going to handle it. My passports are supposed to match but legally they can't, so I've got no fucking clue what's going to happen. (Also small note, you used England and the UK interchangeable a few times during the video. I'd avoid doing this because folks from the other countries in the UK very much do not like it when people do so.)

[@Its-Just-Zip]

You put this up at just the right time because luckily I got a tax return back this month which also means that my monthly budget is actually good and I'm not tight on it this month so I think I can pitch a couple of dollars

[@FishyBoi1337]

Lmao, the facebook jab is so real, having to use that crapfest to communicate with older relatives is truly infuriating.

[@bt9816]

Yeah man, happy to help.

[@aalllrightythen]

Thank you for sharing this Deviant.

[@tsmith9301]

Having a non binary answer to this question seems right.

[@Rear_Admiral_Haddock]

This might not get very far but it might be worth making a swift addendum to your vid, @DeviantOllam, for those of us (your community) that are UK resident or citizen to pepper the shit out of their local MP to raise the issue in parliament. I've asked the question of trans and non binary recognition a number of times with my local one and so far they haven't come up with an answer but if enough people raise the same question across the UK we might just force the issue.

[@TrystyKat]

My local MP forwards emails from her constituents to CCHQ, who then forward them to Tufton Street. A month or more later I get a reply with whatever the policy line is from Tufton Street's anonymous yet fabulously wealthy clients.

[@Rear_Admiral_Haddock]

@TrystyKat That sounds about standard... Luckily for me, my local MP set up shop in my local village so I can go and badger them in person. I'm not too sure how effective one person can be but I like to hope a difference can be made.

[@FemaleMishap]

I'm an American married to a Brit and a permanent resident in the UK. I figured out I was trans ten years after moving here. Thought I was binary trans but no, I'm not. Demiwoman, non-binary but pronouns are she/they. I can get at with ticking that box for woman without outright lying, but yes, the UK needs change. Found you through your shot show video and cackled when you called the trucks gender affirming. From comments you made in your best and worst videos I knew where your politics were. I really appreciate the way you talk about it.

[@peema10]

While I guess my perspective on this is skewed but my view is that it isn't that it's about the IT systems. They love them some disastrous government IT projects. It's about the government of the day and how they are looking to double down on a specific identity. I could go on but there's enough bile in the world.

[@TheCatherineCC]

And of course, a director of a UK anti trans group was caught viewing CSAM on a train since this video was posted.

[@zelmawood]

Computer says no!

[@gazehound]

highly based youtuber

[@dameanvil]

02:25 🏳‍⚧ The UK's gender recognition policies have limitations for non-binary individuals. 04:06 ⚖ Legal battles for gender recognition face systemic challenges, including bureaucratic resistance. 06:02 💰 Financial support and sharing awareness can amplify the impact of civil rights campaigns. 08:02 🌐 Social media and online platforms play a significant role in spreading awareness and support for important causes.

[@ToumalRakesh]

What is an "assmat"? :)

[@Codex_of_Wisdom]

Gave what I could and shared. Queer solidarity!

[@beriukay]

I can change bools to ints, put me on the job

[@TheAechBomb]

why not make them floats, 32-bit signed gender

[@Centigradius]

Legit question: Is there really a compelling reason for official documents like birth certificates and IDs to even have a spot for gender or sex? I cannot think of any for either field. It’s really not the government’s business what gender you identify with/as or what genitalia you have. It just opens up room for governments (like the UK’s) to discriminate against people. For medical care your doctor can just ask when it’s relevant (Eg an eye doctor probably doesn’t really have cause to ask).

[@marcogenovesi8570]

As long as there are no laws that stop same-sex activities, that data isn't required

[@whyme943]

Identification, like listing height and eye colour on drivers license.

[@TheCatherineCC]

For the UK, peerage sex discrimination. Traditionally it was also used to prevent properly ownership, opening bank accounts. It needs to go, just like race and religion went. Bigots whined about removing those too.

[@dinosaurstwice4959]

dev is the GOAT

[@meatharbor]

As much as I'd love to contribute, my status as a broke cripple renders my ability to do so rather limited. It would be awesome if money wasn't damn near exclusively the only thing that matters, but, you know. I'll certainly be doing what little I can to spread the word, at least. Solidarity and whatnot. Ⓐ☭

[@EllieLincoln]

100%, this is something close to my own heart. Had to settle with the F gender marker, but would like some legal representation here as a UK non-binary person. At least my medical records literally includes the phrase "genderqueer as f***".

[@z31drifterlf]

NaN

[@M3PH11]

chromosomes exist. it is a scientifically provable fact.

[@TheAechBomb]

nice middle-school level understanding of biology

[@randomviewer3494]

Where did you get that gender fluid can? And is it still for sale? I want one lol

[@DeviantOllam]

Omega Mart in Vegas... We have these around our Vegas office 👍

[@brandon3883]

I'm not going to blather on about my thoughts on this ( _edit: correction; I am_ ) topic, but I am going to throw out this possible solution to situations like this: Unless someone needs to know how you identify in order to "do their job" properly (interpret that as you will) - medical professionals being the first thing to come to mind - why the Hell do we even _have_ that ubiquitous "M/F" checkbox anymore? It's not like if you get pulled over by the cops they are going to skip right past your name, photo, hair and eye color, do the math to figure out how old you are, then check if your height and weight seem "close enough," but instead go straight to whether or not it says if you are male or female or an attack helicopter. Or how about applying for a job? If that check box *is* there, except in some relatively rare cases, all that box does is open the company up to litigation... so again, what's the point? Point being, there are definitely situations in which listing your _biological_ sex matters - and could be literally deadly if you put down something different (again, the medical field comes directly to mind) - but all the other cases? Man, I've hit the age where I'm starting to grow man-boobs (I'm super lazy when it comes to working out, so my bad), but I can't think of a single situation where someone will be scratching their chin and wondering "are those real?" for any purpose other than weird curiosity. Sigh.

[@Lily-ut7wg]

Attack helicopter jokes? In 2024? Transphobes really do have one joke.

[@danielr82]

@@Lily-ut7wg you have to be really trying to not catch the implies /s there.

[@brandon3883]

​@@danielr82yeah, right? The fact that some(/way too many?) people take this topic so "serious" that you can't even throw in a tiny bit of levity - let alone be 100% in agreement with someone else's opinions on the matter - without having the entirety of what you're trying to convey discarded, is *not* helping the overall transgender rights situation; it just pushes those on the fence over into your neighbor's yard rather than helping them finish the climb over to your side.

[@DebakulumToughguts]

👍 für den Algorithmus

[@TrashHeapCustodian]

been a while since i watched one of your vids on my big ass monitor, has that gender fluid always been there? excellent prop choice either way, but extra excellent if it was there for this video specifically :)

[@danmur15]

Thank you for using your platform to spread the word on this. So many other KZbinrs in your position would not be willing to risk their subscribers to be outspoken about what they believe is right. Subscribed for elevators, stayed for Trans (and Enbie) Rights :D

[@sandwich2473]

If the british police system has variables specifically for identifying trans people in a hyper specific and degrading way, I don't think it'd be too difficult to add a little extra one on there though no doubt they'd want to add two which clarified gender assigned at birth

[@antlermagick]

Have donated, thank you for bringing attention to this.

[@noaharaldsson703]

I'm non-binary sadly Sweden won't allow that.

[@AnomadAlaska]

👍

[@Alex_Vir]

Thame state is just like me, lazy as fuck, pushing problems away until they cannot escape them, they are sadly better at it than I am.

[@MRMATTROMAN]

Regardless of what side on this social issue you take remember if in a “5 eyes” country WE are the weird ones…NOT the rest of the world, so don’t expect the world to change just for you. Last year I left Pride month in the states to go to a Muslim country for work…man, not seeing rainbow flags and seeing everyone’s freak flag fly sure was depressing…the almost 50°C weather made it that much worse…send some tank tops to the Maghreb region stat! lol

[@DrEisenhower]

...is that a can of Gender Fluid? :D

[@DeviantOllam]

Yeah, from Omega Mart. We have those all over the Vegas office, too. 😁👍

[@chrisrowarth4874]

As much as I love the UK (born and raised here) it is very antiquated, i'll say that much.... I would've hoped that in this day and age, the govt would have sorted this out by now

[@Lily-ut7wg]

Always love to see you being supportive of trans folks. I’m a trans woman and it really does matter to see supportive people.

[@TuriGamer]

How does it matter at all?

[@LincolnWorld]

If everyone that claims they care about freedom, was like you, the world would be a better and more free place. Instead it seems like the majority of people screaming the loudest demanding freedom seem to only want it for themselves, and are actively trying to crush the freedoms of anyone "different" than themselves. None of us are free until we are all free! Thanks for caring about people other than yourself!

[@bitcoredotorg]

Put in my few pounds, thanks for spreading awareness, Deviant!

[@freespam9236]

I live in a country that has person identification code that's first number is indicating legal male/female sex and century they were born - right now if you change your gender you will get a new personal identification code... There have been some ideas how to implement the 3rd option but i do not see a simple solution that would not break the whole person identification number system AND give clear indication about their gender... and in the end in the medical system... So in some areas it is not as simple as just throwing more flexible field to sex/gender column in the database... i personally work in DBs where we have the legal sex and sex based on DNA(yes dna - not medical appearance) - we do not have the persons self reported gender(no such ethics approval)

[@Alex_Vir]

Ah, so a better system is needed then.

[@mycosys]

easy - remove the digit as it has no relevance. There is no reason your doctor would not ask you

[@marcogenovesi8570]

Who cares about alphanumeric identifiers, you are going to cause so much grief just to change a letter that only machines parse anyway

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@mycosys a doctor does not need to ask lol, they can figure it out

[@mycosys]

@@marcogenovesi8570 i'm glad you are (very obviously) not a doctor, and have (very clearly) never studied or practised any form of patent care. You should stay well away form matters of consent in general

[@asemic]

wholesome!

[@dameanvil]

Dev here is right. Your owner should be aware of your gender. Now, an individual won't need that, but that is sinful in the eyes of Dev.

[@rockyball8718]

😀 P r o m o s m

[@JTX-q5u]

Anddddddddd I’m out.

[@TheAechBomb]

good riddance

[@DeviantOllam]

👋

[@Jazz-nm1kf]

Lol bye Felicia

[@skellious]

As a non binary UK citizen i am very sad about this situation. I really hope we can stop being stupid one day.

[@ucitymetalhead]

That's what I thought about my gofundme, if just a small fraction of the people in the world could donate a dollar each I'd be sitting pretty but alas they can't even do that simple thing.

[@lel7531]

Not a fan of the political content

[@dnys_7827]

i am.

[@themeatpopsicle]

cry about it

[@empathicqubit]

I moved to a different country like Ryan for similar reasons. Things aren't right in the world.

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

Tough.

[@wingracer1614]

Not a fan of whiny crybabies so go away and we'll both be happy.

[@phoebejl]

Been looking for a reason to unsubscribe, thanks!

[@TheAechBomb]

don't let the door hit you on the way out!

[@DeviantOllam]

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[@graymatrrocks]

Donated!

[@Cybersader]

For most, gender has become merely outward physical and social characteristics rather than sex (physiology naturally ordered towards gestation or insemination). If gender is merely outward characteristics and a social utility then so be it. However, trying to equate this to sex is a slippery slope and that's where all of this friction comes from in the conversation. The question then becomes whether if this equating of the two devalues the sexual power to procreate as an integral part of the identity thereby breeding other social ills or if its just whatever and people can choose to care or not to care about the label.

[@keksimus__maximus]

Were you "assmad" at the stuff you saw at shot show? No, you cringed and laughed at it. Well, same for the commenters I think

[@BLT-sr6zz]

Why do you care so much about this stuff?

[@Codex_of_Wisdom]

Why DON'T you? Freedom for all or freedom for none.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

didn't you watch the video? He has friends like Ryan

[@Alex_Vir]

Because he has Friends, you should get some they can be helpful.

[@mycosys]

Not being a psychopath has the downside of having empathy

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@mycosys yeah you should try empathy some times