Can You Beat DARK SOULS 3 With Only Crossbows?

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Dark Souls 3 has crossbows. We're going to use them. Should be a good time. Then again, it might be completely terrible - only time will tell. Can you beat Dark Souls 3 with only crossbows? Let's find out.
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[@zimattack9994]

What about the buck shot bolt and the Avalon?

[@bode_hossam]

play remnant from the ashes melee only

[@spaceofwaste4956]

@@bode_hossam that would be a good one

[@alephnole7009]

Loved that Frieda has the arrows stuck in her still.

[@henrypaleveda7760]

I am honestly surprised that you got through the dlc bosses; I know it was patience and a little luck but it's absurd.

[@seclusivesnail5133]

Can’t wait for “Can you beat DARK SOULS by waiting for millions of years of in game time, for Float type rounding corruption in boss health variables?”

[@yosifahmed2300]

doubt if that is actually gonna happen

[@gigits2798]

That would be better than a faith build still.

[@B2411s]

I believed you would say "wait for the heat death of the universe"

[@ps2_majima]

we would probably get it sooner than the miracle build

[@sirkelendor5429]

Wait, what?

[@josetomascamposrobledano4618]

Gael’s Crossbow is one of the biggest tragedies in Souls. So much style yet has a complete lack of any scaling. Reducing it to a meme weapon.

[@capperbuns]

Indeed. Or a low lvl weapon, but that's it. And you need to defeat one of the hardest bosses in the game to get it.

[@jacob5169]

Only use you can really get is with that glitch where you end up rapid firing greatbow arrows instead

[@tastychunks]

Your reward for beating the last released boss in the entire souls series, as it ended with 3. And it's garbage.

[@yourdad5799]

@@tastychunks one of two rewards and the other reward is very good

[@memeboicrep9502]

@@tastychunks it's only good for th auto greatbow glitch

[@ilikespagett1514]

Seeing Freide teleport behind you 29:47 , and have her position given away by the fact she's currently a pincushion was very funny

[@sirvilhelm3569]

You mock Lady Friede?!

[@trustytrest]

@@sirvilhelm3569 she is a ho

[@themambawarrior2290]

10:07 There is actually a Heavy Crossbow, which can also only be acquired in the Cathedral. It only drops from the Cathedral Knight in the upper portion that wields it. It also has a pretty bad drop rate, and does less damage than the Arbalest, so there's not point in trying to farm it, but it is called the Heavy Crossbow.

[@arellajardin8188]

It’s the best looking crossbow. Fashion Souls before stats.

[@popsiclesshubert9609]

the heavy crossbow looks great but is absolutely miserable to farm since it only drops from that single cathedral knight. its a perfect middle-ground between the light crossbow and the arbalest, though, since it weighs 4.5

[@WolfHreda]

I don't know why, but I always seem to have incredible luck getting that one. I don't think I've ever had to attempt more than four times to get it. The Flamberge, however, more than makes up for it. I only ever get that drop maybe once per playthrough, if I sink a lot of time into farming for it.

[@rozmarinideas5340]

@@WolfHreda for me it's the Pike. You can only get it from the tree hollows in crucifixion woods.

[@WolfHreda]

@@rozmarinideas5340 I don't even bother with the Pike. Just get the Great Lance.

[@tippybooch]

Alluring skulls would have made Deacons far easier. The head Deacon is immune so you just chuck one and all the other Deacons move away from him, opening him up for easy shots. As well as the added bonus of them ignoring you for a few moments.

[@ahmadabiyoso5050]

while that doesn't violate the rules, it still ruins the fun, don't you think?

[@ryla22]

@@ahmadabiyoso5050 no. This is dark souls, you take every advantage you can take.

[@freshcolors1272]

@@ryla22 eh doing that is boring...a challenge makes it more fun

[@Spellweaver5]

@@ahmadabiyoso5050 why would using a clever strategy "ruin the run"? It's what people are looking for in challenge runs.

[@jmefaitchiermdr6541]

I mean he said "using crossbows only"

[@jade-chan9122]

First time i defeated nameless king was using lacerating bolts so that i knew it was possible just genuinly didn't thought that the deacons were due to their curse A run where nameless king might be easier then the deacons What a time to be alive

[@Eo-ms3kw]

I did a ds3 bare fist only run and the deacons were a nightmare. Especially because there's also the two deacons that'll heal the main deacon when he gets low. Tbf I haven't beaten NK on that run yet so I can't tell which one is more difficult.

[@jade-chan9122]

@@Eo-ms3kw good luck my friend I wish you all the good luck possible I belive in you :)

[@aclaymushroomwithaberet7084]

indeed

[@Eo-ms3kw]

@@jade-chan9122 Thank you, though I don't know if I'll actually finish that run. I still have three bosses to beat, those being Gael, Friede and Nameless King. I started it before ER's release so I'm pretty rusty now and don't know if I want to spend the time to get into ds3 again. I know I could definitely beat Gael and it would probably be pretty fun but I always struggle a lot with Friede and NK is just annoying to fight multiple times because the first phase takes ages when you do so little damage and is really boring.

[@JohnBadger17]

My first Nameless kill, I literally walked backwards at a mid-distance from him with an arbalest and heavy bolts. He doesn't dodge, and if you stay close enough he won't rush at you either. Honestly, he was one of the easier fights that run. Now, Phase 1 was kinda hellish though. Mostly because of the camera

[@ayragon5417]

These Midir laser beam dodges were just incredible ! well played Lemon !

[@stevemitchell4663]

midir is such a fun fight.

[@braedenmclean5304]

The moment you got to the Cathedral of the deep it hit me “The Deacons are going to be a nightmare”

[@chimericpaladin35813]

the bit with the animations realizing theyre animations was just gold

[@ripinchaos906]

I would love to see you do a challenge run series for Crypt of the Necrodancer, there is a character whose whole schtick is bombs only, so you might have an argument for firebomb academy there.

[@yourlordskeletor6081]

In my first playthrough of ds3, I beat the second phase of nameless king with exclusively the light crossbow, same with soul of cinder, that thing carried me so far through the game

[@d3vitron779]

I’m so sorry

[@gremlinman9724]

the way game journalism was meant to be played

[@KavsLockedOut]

Actually psychotic 😭😭

[@Gary_a_normal_human_being]

Thats some day one IGN guide stuff

[@zanderthezombie0536]

To continue the challenges you should do Bloodborne with only the arrow attack on simons bow blade

[@stingerjohnny9951]

Considering how far into the game that weapon is, that is ESPECIALLY evil 😈

[@cronanevermore2033]

The prophecy has been fulfilled

[@Ridderkruk]

THE FATHER HAS FED HIS GROVE ONCE AGAIN

[@Just_Dova]

FATHER LEMON IS BACK WITH MILK

[@AkashWShah]

CULTIVATING HIS STAND OF LEMON TREES

[@duckmouth]

man, the quality of your videos has just been getting better and better since day 1, i've loved all your challenge runs and im excited for you to be branching out into all these different games and really succeeding in it! congrats on the new merch lemon!

[@darianclark3980]

Now all we need is Demon Souls Firebomb & Crossbow Only Runs :D Really Enjoy These Epic Series!

[@benambrose8895]

Don't forget elden ring aswell

[@darianclark3980]

@@benambrose8895 I know. I just feel like if Lemon does the "Fire Pots" Only Run, Fire Giant will be that Skyscraper of a Wall for him.

[@benambrose8895]

@@darianclark3980 magic pots absolutely shreds fire giant

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

@@benambrose8895 and let's not forget rot pots.

[@bconvery571]

Wow, just had a great idea, what about doing a run with Great Bows? 😮

[@AaronCorr]

You get them really late though and need a lot of str iirc. So even if you cheat it in, could any class use one right away?

[@cronanevermore2033]

Yes please

[@mostafafawze5863]

actually, deacons are always in the top 3 hardest bosses for low damage runs, not this run but worse runs like fist only, or fists only sl1 and crazy stuff like that

[@tinminator8905]

Yeah, it's like Gideon in ER. You can really tell how bad a boss is by fighting them with low damage and them being hard because the mechanics are just awful. For me deacons certainly tops the list of worst bosses of all time with Gideon up there as well.

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

DPS test bosses always suck. One look at 4 Kings is proof enough.

[@mostafafawze5863]

@@theapexsurvivor9538 4 kings is kinda fun like that, also the damage can go VERY low and you still can kill them fast enough, not every dps check is bad

[@stenly97]

I've done quite a few runs in DS games, but rarely use the weapons you use for those challange runs. Seeing them in action really makes me want to go for different style of run. Great video, Lemon. Can't wait to see what else is in the making :)

[@ericmerrill9808]

I’ve really been enjoying the art you do for these videos buddy! All of your content is always really enjoyable. Thank you so much for all your hard hours.

[@WolfHreda]

I actually made a character based on The Arbalest from Darkest Dungeon in DS3, and it's surprising how good it is. Even in PvP. The tackle skill hits shields as hard if not harder than a kick. The only issue is keeping a good stock of the interesting bolts. Which also means finishing Greirat's quest, of course.

[@jyxtheberzerking4824]

i have a new challenge run idea for Vigil: The Longest Night. i discovered a while ago that you can make yourself effectively immune to poison with the right gear, and in chapter 2 of the game you can find a helmet that emits a poisonous cloud. sooo, can you beat the game with only poison?

[@Red-Tower]

Some great editing as always! Music choices were excellent as well, especially the AoE early on and the Crypt of the Necrodancer boss rush montage. Thanks for the series! I remember using the crossbow a bit in my first run of ds3, and just generally have had an appreciation for the often overlooked/underappreciated weapons of the series. Looking forward to whatever you make next!

[@SondreGrneng]

Tbf, by the time you reach the giant, there is only one boss you have to fight to get access to all the white trees. I don't think more range or whatever it was the ring gave matters too much on crystal sage. So what I'm saying is. No, you are not forced to kill the giant, you are just a monster.

[@SparkSovereign]

Limit breakers did a video on that ring, the damage increase is actually insane. It is unfortunately pretty much essential to this kind of run 😭

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

29:49 I like how because of your build, you can find Friede by the bolts sticking out of her.

[@canary8212]

Im surprised you didn't try to get the knight's crossbow by killing some of the lothric knights around. Probably would have been a good damage boost.

[@georgewallman8886]

He did? He didn't use it because raw damage wasn't as good

[@canary8212]

@@georgewallman8886 I know but he bought it from greirat later in the game before finding the heavy crossbow. You can get the knight's crossbow in the high wall and use it for a while.

[@arellajardin8188]

No, it wouldn’t have been a damage boost, not in the early game. It is only good if: 1). You pair it with Lightning Bots, and: 2). The enemy is weak to Lightning. So without access to Lightning bolts, it’s utterly pointless. And the first boss weak to Lightning is Abyss Watchers. He puts it to good use later on, but it’s not worth farming for it before Vordt.

[@James-kv3ll]

I’ve done this run before! Was my 3rd play through of Dark Souls 3 actually. It’s actually super fun once you realize how to cheese enemies with the crossbow’s main strength: instant ranged attacks.

[@Deltaguy447]

Excellent work, Lemon! Absolutely loved this series and might have inspired me to try it out myself seeing how fun bows in DS 1 was. Keep up the great work.

[@PlatonistAstronaut]

I was only looking for a video of the run, but you went above and beyond. Great work on the script and editing, whoever did either. Presented it really fun too. Just a great video all round. Thanks!

[@TheBacklogs]

I do everything on my own :) Thanks for the kind words!

[@VTSfilms]

I think I remember you saying you dont like to do challenges that have already been done, but remember that a lot of us maybe dont watch other challage runs by other people, and just love watching your vids. I love all your dark souls vids, please do more of these types of runs, even if they have been done by others.

[@moonlitwisp]

Your content is so damn good Lemon, seriously the way you section videos and the great voice recording just makes an absolute fantastic video, thank you!

[@LiterallyDJ]

I been watching your content for a while and I love seeing the subtle improvements over time. Thanks for making fun vids about my favorite game series!

[@anawolf4ever]

Amazing video and challenge, as always! I love you videos (and the music montages), keep up the good work!

[@Nightmare-pw2nr]

"Gwyn on a gondola." Is genius, and is now my favorite exclamation ever

[@merpsthederp9887]

Ah yes posted right as I sat on the toilet

[@MythBoy64]

Thanks for keeping this up! You've inspired me to start working on a Crossbow-only Elden Ring challenge! If you ever decide to do that, I highly recommend farming sheep for the bone bolts! There's a nice spot to the south west of that cabin where you find the summon-ashes girl

[@aqualitytime]

Lemon, I simply adored the end of the ad in this video, it was incredibly funny. I love how your avatar has so much personality despite the simplicity of it. Love your content and it always makes me happy when I see how much your channel is growing, you deserve it. Cheers!

[@hrusk1kw]

I can't imagine the patience it takes to do all three games this way. DS3 was my first souls game, and I almost lost my mind just getting through as a sword and board normie. Major props for sticking with this!

[@arellajardin8188]

I hate what they did to the Flynn’s Ring in DS3. It’s effectiveness starts dropping with only 2 weight. And equipping the lightest weapon and 4 rings, you already hit that. Plus, DS3 has a secret mechanic that no other FromS game has. An armor SLOT has a flat defense that requires any piece of armor to activate. Whether it’s Havel’s or Master’s this flat defense is the same, before calculating the attributes of the armor itself. More simply, not having a piece of armor in every slot significantly drops your overall defense. You know how in all the other games, you could go shirtless and make up for it by wearing really bulky pants? That doesn’t work in DS3. Why this matters for the Flynn’s Ring. The Master set, the lightest, worst set in the game, weigh 4.1. Rags that are barely holding together. Thus, it is impossible to get the full effect of the Flynn’s Ring, without taking a massive debuff to your defense.

[@krestus6715]

I am so happy to have found this channel. Humor, Narration, Running Gags and Pacing is all on Point. Thank you for another piece of art :D

[@deusexvesania1702]

The start of Last Dance at the transition to Friede's 3rd phase is a nice touch.

[@lichtpopsicle772]

Fun fact I found when looking for any purpose for the tackle: with the leggings of thorns it deals 6 damage

[@paytongagliardi8709]

I think you unveiled with the twin princes what I subconsciously learned playing these games to death... much of the time staying close to your enemy is actually better because positioning is easier. I was like... why would anyone run from the princes and remembered hey they have a giant flaming sword

[@gabrielstrickland1038]

I really loved the high octane montage at the end thanks for doing the great work!

[@dragons525]

I have been waiting for this one for a while. Very happy to see you making more fun content!

[@borisgrozev2401]

Adding this to my watchlist for later. I remember doing a personal crossbow challange run a few years back for roleplaying build reasons(had a vampire hunter lady that uses only crossbow in my setting). Im very curious to see your take on it. Didnt touch the DLCs with it cause there was no way I could do Freide and Gael without bruning out beforehand XD. (Im really glad that Elden Ring made pure crossbow builds easier, altho still fairly frustrating to set up)

[@OmneAurumNon]

Hey, Lemon! I just remembered that Great Bows are a thing, you should do a run with those!

[@barombolobombolo1501]

Why, you want to see this run again?

[@OmneAurumNon]

@@barombolobombolo1501 Just sounds fun! I've almost never seen anyone use them outside of pvp, so it'd be cool to see how they stack up against bosses

[@Manwhichthewarlock]

What a run. I absolutely loved doing my ds3 crossbow only run. It was super cool seeing all the different parts you struggled at compared to my run, like I struggled with the Sage but first tried that Yorm fight

[@synstubbs]

Just catching up on this series thanks to a recommendation and good Lord have I enjoyed it! Also, massive props for using the mega driveAlien 3 soundtrack too, absolutely love it.

[@absolutelyyousless7605]

If you didn’t make any more of these challenge videos I would be... *Cross* a-*Bow*-t it!

[@765craven4]

My brother just recently finished a Crossbow only playthrough of Elden Ring and Jesus Christ the endgame bosses were awful to watch. I can't imagine playing it. So much health and so little damage. Not to mention actually Melania is a nightmare.

[@C_Sloth]

Happy to series the crossbow series come to an satisfying conclusion. Wish you would have narrated the dlc bosses more or at least gave general thoughts on the fight with the crossbow

[@makerpunk_mkiii]

The final musical montage is incredible. Not only are the fights visually impressive, seeing the build work is awesome. And grear choice of music!

[@EquivalentInsanity]

This montage was incredibly powerful and your music choices remain absolutely excellent. Necrodancer has the best boss fight vibes!

[@UtterlyShagged]

A new idea for you, "Can You Beat Dark Souls 3 With Just Your Starting Gear". Melee weapons will have no issues but for magic builds you are limited by how much max damage you can do. Increasing your mana pool and upping your int/fth stat are thing you can do to increase your damage but ultimately there is limit. A concession to allow better spells may have to be made.

[@localidiotnumber792]

Well the problem is: One of the classes starts with the Sellsword Twinblades. Which basically every speedrunner uses because of how OP they are

[@arellajardin8188]

Not being able to equip rings would definitely hinder the Sorcerer and Pyromancer. You’d probably have to become a perfect dodging master, and have all your flasks be blue Gatorade. Because the lack of damage stacking would be brutal.

[@UtterlyShagged]

@@localidiotnumber792 it is less of a challenge and more of a how painful is it for magic classes.

[@UtterlyShagged]

@@arellajardin8188 which is why i mentioned that getting better spells might have to happen, with restrictions of course.

[@mololabo]

loved the video! The coat armor with the shield on your back gave me big medieval headhunter vibes in the musical section :D

[@xRumbi]

The existential crisis of the drawings was top tier. Keep up the world building for the little guys Lemon!

[@awd3n]

29:35 Good Lord, Freida's entry with the music here was art!

[@serrisvalentine6225]

Always a pleasure seeing new vids dude hope you and yours are doing great!

[@drakegunter9081]

I love how when the "corporate lemon" gets erased, his hands get left behind and then fall to the ground. Awesome attention to detail on a fairly simple animation. Always love your content. Please never stop making content like this:-)

[@bluehoodie_gamer6867]

obligatory "WHEN YOU GONNA DO GREATBOWS ONLY?! HMMMMMMM?!" comment

[@TheGreirat]

You’re welcome :)

[@trogus1]

Love the crypt of the necrodancer music for the montage, one of my favorite game soundtracks ever!

[@mnkway]

I love you man, the dark souls challenge run are my favorite type of video thanks for giving us so much content

[@emersonwright972]

Love that addtion of Necrodancer music, I also listened to that track when I beat Nameless King for the first time!

[@JDpwner22]

Aside from the fantastic main portion (as always), the ad bit actually had me invested. Not only did the bit pay off, but I actually learned that a VPN can benefit my internet speed. It’s always the same general script, with internet security and watching shows that aren’t available in your country. I’m actually going to check out a VPN sponsor for once, though, because I need to stop yelling at my internet. It can’t hear me. Or maybe it can and I just can’t hear it.

[@MechakittenX]

Love your videos, even if i do watch them at +.25 speed and have no idea what your voice actually sounds like at this point. Keep up the good work, Lemonlogs!

[@bradsly3386]

Dude, beautiful nameless king fight, and timing of the best on the dragons death. Gave me chills! Love your videos dude keep it up!!!

[@allengrayheart]

You can complete both onion knight and gray rats quests on the same play through. For future reference, you can exhaust the dialog for seigward when he's at the fire place and hit him once (in this case tackle him) and he'll be awake to save gray rat and and you can still find him in the dungeon after you beat pontif. Just make sure to do that before sending gray rat to pillage. Works every time.

[@raymondhorn628]

Glad to see this series done and can't wait for the next one. Though I am curious did you record this over multiple playthroughs or just really out of order because I couldn't help but notice that your health bar seemed to jump back and forth by a good amount especially near the end.

[@TheBacklogs]

Was I embered? That changes your health bar pretty significantly

[@raymondhorn628]

@@TheBacklogs That would explain it. It’s been so long since I got my butt kicked by Dark Souls 3 I’d forgotten about that mechanic.

[@Milk23678]

I’m always loving the vids keep up the great work and I wish you good luck

[@TheOracleofClocks]

Inspired choice for the montage towards the end. Great video!

[@tubbytubberson5453]

Great work getting bigger as a channel, I remember when numbers were Way lower 👍👍 keep up the fun content

[@LastRoseOfWinter]

This series reminds me of the bow only run i did a while back. Alluring skulls and the compound shortbow's dodge quickshot were so vital to the deacons

[@nogohoho]

Love your videos Lemon. Thanks for going through hell for our enjoyment. The final boss run montage was very nice on this one.

[@thegreenman450]

good work my boi. lots of skill in these games now. youve come a long way

[@jmefaitchiermdr6541]

You are the best channel at doing challenge runs on FS games keep going and dont be scared to do a run even if someone already did it. Much love and praise the sun !!

[@retro5945]

Found your channel today and I love the style. Definitely gonna sub and stick around

[@Oxykobl]

Pro tip: in dark souls 3 an empty armor slot is negative armor if you're hit in that area. Try picking up the sword master's set, the face wrap from farron swamp, and some footwraps for an extra light armor set that still avoids that 30% extra damage taken

[@thestabbybrit4798]

I approve of your choice of armour! Your mad runs have convinced me to try some builds I'd normally never consider. So far, Demon's Souls with daggers is going surprisingly, suspiciously well.

[@game_gamersplay4972]

Awesome video! Loved every second

[@jacksonmallia-walker8687]

This...feels like the end of an era. I cannot wait to see what great things you do in the future and I cannot wait to be there for every step along the way.

[@blade_spinner4117]

Yk im damn amazed and excited for the next video cause you just did ds3 and im damn happy you did

[@rickiekrekula9472]

Sweet! I've been waiting for this!

[@shimmyshake8192]

Nice! Keep up the great work

[@SunlightBro69]

I love your videos!!! Keep up the great work :)

[@haydes1285]

I always forget how much I love necrodancer’s later tracks until they get used in a montage

[@kevinr9296]

I love your videos, keep up the great work!

[@WplusMouse1]

Recently discovered you, entertaining stuff!

[@skyphone1]

17:08 oh my god the amount of deaths and hours I could have saved for so long during my first playthrough I couldn't figure out how to deal with that rain of arrows and your telling me i could have just cowered at gwyns feet

[@Sc-yc5ln]

Hi just found your channel and your one of the coolest KZbinrs that I have seen you have a new sub 😊

[@KingSlayer-tn4ko]

hey Lemon! I wanna thank you man! because of you I got into Elden Ring and I just got Dark souls 3 and I love them both and I love the content!

[@francisharkins]

Lemon, the only content creator I watch the sponsored ads for because of his humor. Honestly debated the whole VPN stuff until I heard about people abusing them in games as a form of lag switching without worrying about getting caught or penalized. Anyway back to the video Crossbow run is hilarious. Can't wait to see how you summarized your dagger playthrough if you do ever do that. Lol.

[@ethanallred2543]

I watched this a while back when it came out but it got suggested again, and I gotta say, that thumbnail is really cool. I don’t know if Lemon does it or gets someone to but whoever did it does a great job, I like it! Also the video was very entertaining, of course, and I know Lemon does that so great job all around!

[@quangminhnguyen7817]

29:50 being able to see the arrows stuck to Friede while she's invisible is unintentionally the funniest thing

[@AnubisHades]

Keep up the awesome work man 👍🏻

[@MlguelPires]

I've done a crossbow build a few years ago on ds3, its super fun, glad youre making this challenge

[@765craven4]

I'm unaware if you've actually said anything about this at some point but a DS2 Ladle run would be super fun to watch. Due to how early you can get it and the fact that most of the required bosses before you can get the Mundane infusion on it are able to be killed without attacking I think getting the Mundane Ladle shouldn't be too much trouble. I've been doing the run right now, and if you allow yourself to use non damaging spells you actually have a lot of options.

[@IseeSandvich]

Seeing the twin princes in this vid reminded me of my non spell range only run. The strat I used was to never lock on and stand as far away as possible since he teleports less when you're unlocked and him crawling straight at you allows for easy headshots

[@probablynotdanny4384]

Great video as always!