Can You Beat Pikmin 2 With Only White Pikmin?

I try and beat Pikmin 2 with only White Pikmin. It does not go well...

[@Overmayor]

You probably could have saved yourself a tremendous amount of suffering by not implementing the "only poison damage" rule, but the climax kind of makes it worth it. For me watching this, I mean, not for you, you experienced torment beyond words.

[@TheRedCap]

I gotta imagine being able to finally attack that spider after hours upon hours sacrificing hundreds upon hundreds of white pikmin was super cathartic at least.

[@SchaffrillasProductions]

I actually gasped out loud when I saw each trip to the cave only gave you 22 pokos

[@rayman3521]

"Oh, how do I beat Pikmin 2 with only White Pikmin?" "SHOOT THEM WITH THE DEHYDRATION GUN!"

[@jack101starZ]

A comment from Schaffrillas?! With 19 likes?!

[@autismandgaming4532]

We know you don’t actually hate Pikmin 2, those feelings are reserved for the doomsday apparatus only

[@pvzgamer9718]

oh hey the movie rating guy henlo to u

[@MasterZenII]

If Louie had been left down in that cave I feel like it would have made the lives of the protagonists in the next two games far easier.

[@pressaTD]

So true lol

[@STULF20X6]

Louie would've been happier, too

[@Shadow-qh8hj]

@@STULF20X6 That is also true

[@videogamerNattie98]

He is the problem employee that unironically makes everyone's life harder by doing errant things with no care to how others feel. Louie either possess a lack of understanding for why its wrong which is very possible. Or knows its wrong and intentionally does it anyways just to be that thorn in the side. Also unlike other people in Pikmin Louie is just not social at all. While its true in Pikmin Olimar doesn't do a lot of talking either he is a very social individual under wraps as he writes a lot down with enthusiasm so Olimar is quite talkative he is just not very outgoing which is very different. But Louie is so self centered to a fault that he fails to see the right in wrong in anything he is doing... He just cares more about his own wants...

[@Badsy_the_Edgecat]

well, not in 4, because 4 seems to take place as an alternate timeline of 1

[@TheBacklogs]

...yeahhhhh, after the amount of suffering you underwent to make this work, I think I can let this one slide. This time.

[@TheZeroed_]

Smart man Lemon, with how you plan to do a Terraria Challenge on the horizon... You *want* your sanity.

[@-BenGaming-]

Hi

[@swordsmancs]

@@TheZeroed_ oh god, he’s doing a terraria challenge?

[@Shadow-qh8hj]

@@swordsmancs If I remember correctly it is a explosives only run

[@kazekamiha]

@@Shadow-qh8hj Sounds about right for him.

[@Non11037]

I hate the fact that you chose to only defeat enemy with the poison- THESE LITTLE GUY DESERVE MORE LOVE

[@MarioMastar]

Yeah, personally I think this kind of does more harm to the challenge than good. I watch this to see if it's purely possible and what obstacles you come across doing a restricted challenge. Adding an arbitrary element that has nothing to do with the challenge though heavily distracts from the core question. Even worse if the issue comes up that normally wouldn't be an issue but "Up this enemy doesn't eat, so I can't kill him" or "I ran out of pikmin cause I had to feed them to enemies so I couldn't complete this floor". It's like saying "Can you beat Super Mario 64 without jumping, and by the way I'm also not allowed to use caps either." and being walled because you chose not to use caps even though otherwise getting 70 stars is more than doable without jumping. I'd say leave the extra restrictions out unless they otherwise trivializes/defeats the purpose the challenge (like using an uppercut move in lieu of a jumpless challenge or using a CPU partner in a "no abilities run" in Kirby.) or the added challenge actively contributes to the quality of the run (e.g. "limiting cave revisits so you can't farm white pikmin when you lose them, making this more of a resource management run so you can't just farm whites to brute force a puzzle). Only feeding enemies whites to kill them with poison....already fails at all enemies that never eat and is completely unnecessary.

[@ItsLux1211]

Yeah, it completely ruins the entire run as it just makes it so that the run is more about grinding whites then actually playing the challenge

[@NamelessPerson360]

Says you, the guy with the gun...

[@Non11037]

​@@NamelessPerson360 true

[@Never_heart]

​@MarioMastar I enjoyed it. Extra challenge to work around and makes a good story on top of the solid challenge

[@MorningPants]

I don’t know if you find this out later in the video, but the essential treasures reduce their weight if you don’t have enough Pikmin to carry them. So if you had no reds in the final floor, the knapsack would need the exact number of Pikmin you have left.

[@metroidnerd9001]

Would that account for the pikmin that need to be sacrificed to kill the boss, only setting it to the number of pikmin you have when it spawns, or is it based on the number you have when you enter the floor?

[@MorningPants]

@@metroidnerd9001It’s the number you have after killing the boss.

[@videogamerNattie98]

@@metroidnerd9001 Its one of the games few grace mechanics done so if you had a REALLY bad final boss fight you can still leave with the final treasure so long as you beat the final boss. This is done so you don't have to restart the floor, or beat the final boss of the cave again just to get the final treasure if you are left with or entered in with an insufficient amount of Pikmin to pick up the bosses item after you beat them.

[@bensavage6172]

This is helpful to know, but of course he usually has a few reds walking around with him so it'll never restrict the weight to the amount of whites left

[@cindy8966]

The day 270 day counter had me dyingggg, I love that you're starting to turn the Pikmin challenges into a story/narrative at the same time, super entertaining!

[@brianhull2407]

I would call this a “Poison-only” run rather than a “White-only” run. A White-only run is less strict than what you chose to do.

[@OldSpaghettifactory89]

lemons gotten to him hes started putting lore in the challenge runs

[@pressaTD]

Learned from the master lol

[@spacehamofficial]

Personally I think you shouldn't have added the extra challenge, and just allowed yourself to throw the white Pikmin at enemies but still an awesome video!

[@-BenGaming-]

Fr bro why the heck did he add the rule

[@mr.mudkip4845]

​@-BenGaming- Prolly cause without it he could.have gotten just about every treasure in the game, which would basically just be an easier Blue run

[@D20inDisguise]

The discord notification sound at 6:10 made me jump lol

[@BulletBillSoilder]

I feel like the "extra challenge" here was a bit unnecessary and if had to be included, probably should've been trying to make enemies die via poisoning when possible and if it wasn't, resort to good ol swarming and throwing. Have a feeling though it was probably included though to just differentiate the video from the blue and purple pikmin videos, which admittedly is: fair enough.

[@AirmanTerror180]

With how often buried treasure came up in the other runs, i was wondering when a white only run would come up

[@gisifasdaad2342]

But then he cant do it because some items are in enemies that dont eat pikmin. What a bummer

[@Trans4Hire]

Yay! White are my favorite Pikmin! They're so small and cute and Spicy and they got those little red eyes and go nyooom when carrying stuff

[@Froggycolouring]

Exactly, even if they for some reason release another flavour of pikmin in pikmin 5 white pikmin will always be my favourite :D

[@D00dl3bug75]

I love how nyooom is the perfect word for this.

[@The_ChosenGaming]

I am a white pikmin.

[@misuvittupaa8068]

THAT'S RACIST

[@The_ChosenGaming]

@@misuvittupaa8068I was implying I am small and fast.

[@misuvittupaa8068]

@@The_ChosenGaming i tried to make a joke. You know that video where small black boy yells "that's racist"

[@seanmurphy2227]

​@@The_ChosenGaming you forget poisonous

[@The_ChosenGaming]

@@misuvittupaa8068 Okay now I see.

[@La_cabine_de_Cabine]

Despite everyone saying the extra challenge of not attacking is too much, I love the idea, but I agree that it just stalls your progress because of the stupid limitation of 40 pikmin, it would be a manageable challenge otherwise (well still a pain but way less backtracking) Anyway cool video as always!

[@JellyMyst]

I think not having the whites attack things took away more than it added. Since you can just infinitely grow whites, the only thing it did was arbitrarily lock off treasures that would have been perfectly obtainable with just whites. They're already the weakest attackers (tied with blues, yellows, and bulbmin), so it's still a challenge to fight. Just on par with blues in that aspect.

[@aengar2861]

not using the whites normally was so unnecessary bro

[@RandomGameCritic]

I love how Press A is intentionally making the run harder for himself just to make the run funnier. He could have farmed an unlimited number of white pikmin from the Snagret Hole at any time (which is probably what he does later in the run to prepare for the Dream Den), and he probably could have gotten more pokos from the Bulblax Kingdom OR the Snagret Hole than he could in the Emergence Cave. But he made people think that going to the White Flower Garden over and over again was the only option because it was funnier. And he went through the extra torturous process of bringing a maximum of 34 white pikmin at a time into the Emergence Cave over and over again, getting only 68 pokos every OTHER day and taking 270 days to complete the run... JUST because it was funnier to do it that way.

[@lukeblack8146]

A couple things to add. Ivory Candypop Buds can be infinitely farmed in Bulblax Kingdom sublevel 3, Snagret Hole sublevel 3 and 6 and Citidel of Spiders sublevel 4 with a single bud on each of those floors in each of those caves. There's also one in Cavern of Chaos sublevel 5 after the debt is completed. The overworld treasures that can be obtained: VoR: Courage Reactor (if using the day 1 extinction), Utter Scrap, Pink Menace, Spiny Alien Treat (600 Pokos) AW: Sunseed Berry, Pilgrim Bulb, Chance Totem, Healing Cask/Hypnotic Platter, Air Brake (+ Geographic Projection) (685 Pokos US+Switch, 725 Pokos PAL, 655 Pokos JP) PP: Impediment Scourge & Gherkin Gate(Maybe using napsack/similar method to purple only run) (100 Pokos) Total above ground: 1385 Pokos (US+Switch), 1425 Pokos (PAL), 1355 Pokos (JP) Obtainable totals from Each reachable cave: EC: 480/480 Pokos 3/3 HoB: 900/1100 Pokos 5/6 WFG: 580/580 Pokos (US+Switch), 670/670 Pokos (PAL), 520/520Pokos (JP) 7/7 BK: 1140/1240 Pokos 9/10 (The glint beetle runs away once you get the treasure) SH: 1140/1215 Pokos (US, Switch, JP), 1170/1245 (PAL) 14/15 (If you can defeat the armoured cannon beetle larva with another boulder) CoS: 595/795 Pokos (US, Switch), 595/725 Pokos (PAL, JP) 9/11 GK: 1190/1190 Pokos (US, Switch), 1270/1270 Pokos (PAL), 1100/1100 Pokos (JP) 14/14 Total cave amount: 6025 Pokos (US+Switch), 6225 Pokos (PAL), 5875 Pokos (JP) Total for each version: 7410 Pokos (US+Switch), 7650 Pokos (PAL), 7230 Pokos (JP) PAL GC/Wii is the best version barely, still needing to farm 2350 Pokos US/Switch needs to farm 2590 Pokos JP GC/Wii needs to farm 2770 Pokos If only you could get to the back part of Valley of Repose using the napsack, it would be easily completable without farming.

[@Sky_KeeL]

Do the run again except now you are a white Pikmin rights activist and you CAN NOT let any of them die.

[@isenokami7810]

Pretty much what I would do as a matter of course. I don’t care if their deaths cause massive damage, I freaking HATE losing Pikmin. Especially when it’s that hard to restock their numbers.

[@Hellbughunter]

And so Lemon and Press A continue the circle of Pikmin suffering

[@legionbeast]

A pretty fun Pikmin 4 challenge is the "Onion Only" challenge. Basically, until you retrieve an onion of a specific pikmin type, you are not permitted to use that Pikmin species in the overworld OR bring them with you into a cave. You CAN use the ones found in the cave, but once you leave they are to be stored away, much like the Bulbmin. Doing this run actually was really interesting since it lead to me rescuing olimar and getting both the white and purple onions BEFORE I got the water, ice, and rock onions..

[@et4038]

Actually I'm gonna try this I've been wondering how I can try and make pikmin 4 more interesting without it being insanely difficult

[@legionbeast]

@@et4038 It's a fun little twist and makes oatchi even more valuable.

[@LiarJudas666]

holy cow you aren’t kidding about the support, i’m glad to see it. i don’t know why i love Pikmin so much seeing as i played the first game for one in-game day and decided i hated the timed aspect lol

[@shoulderBirb]

you should definitely play pikmin 2 then

[@LiarJudas666]

@@shoulderBirb frankly i think i should play all of them. i was very young at the time and dont care for timed stuff to this day, but i do love a challenge. plus its just how the game is!

[@shoulderBirb]

@@LiarJudas666 really only the first gsme has the "timed" crunch but youll get the hang of it after your first playthrough. with pikmin 2 you can take as much time as you want and take the days slow

[@DarkCT]

..so you suddenly turned this into a poison damage only run instead of a flat white pikmin run... doesn't really feel to me like we are lining up the full capability of these pikmin vs the others.. but lets see how it goes. Can you actually leave louie? screw that guy...

[@jasam01]

I feel like a "no attacking enermys" challenge might be more intresting as it's own thing (Since whites let you kill some things, and the other colours give access to most places). I wonder just how much of the game can be completed that way. (obviously the final boss is out)

[@D00dl3bug75]

That... was something. And you made an excellent excuse for fighting the Titan Dweevil, making it as dramatic as possible. Wonderful job.

[@SamSupercreation]

The weight of the boss treasure will adapt to your pikmin left. But since you had reds with you the game didn't need to decrease the weight. And it would have been cheating I guess

[@mucuslime]

looks like others have a similar idea; the poison restriction was unnecessarily painful. i dunno if you'd wanna do this again while allowing regular damage. i'd also be interested in seeing runs where the candypop bud restriction is removed, allowing swarms of white/purple pikmin, just for fun. and so farming is less painful, especially since that takes so much time.

[@elixerthefox4549]

all i can ever say is that you have more patience then me cause i would have given up on the 5th trip to white flower garden.

[@MarioMastar]

This is why the extra restriction takes away from the video. Since he's actively losing pikmin (unnecessarily) to kill enemies, this means the solution is "more farming" and thus he's going to waste more time getting "ammunition' so he can tackle more caves, which isn't the reason people think white pikmin only would be difficult. Hate to say it, but that added restriction kind of ruined the video cause it signaled what kind of run this would be, despite the purple and blue run proving there are plenty of interesting obstacles white pikmin have to deal with.

[@Shadow-qh8hj]

I love how both Press A and The Backlogs use the challenge run to make a new story in the game. Keep up the good work!

[@Runi4]

I love ur content, keep making it! You made my week with that video!

[@proghost1430]

Even if I know on a fundamental standpoint how much white pikmin really limited your access in areas. I'm honestly super happy to see you use my favorite pikmin of all time. Seeing the poison death was interesting, but it honestly just made my opinion that it was a cop-out to give the white pikmin a bit something more when compared to the nigh indomitable purple pikmin that share the candypop limit with them. Been loving the videos! Absolutely subscribed now, when I probably should have done that after watching about 4 of your vids back to back XD

[@Essman614]

Press A!: Please don't ask me to do reds only Also Press A!: So this week we're doing the most painful run imaginable with extra pain

[@GenesisSonicN64Mario]

I love the added detail of the 287th day entry and the storytelling at the end! These challenges are interesting in the ways that you need to break the game, and the certain advantages (or disadvantages) you have with each Pikmin in each game.

[@velvetdraws3452]

eyy i was early for a vid for once, lemon introduced me to your vids and they are so damn good ps, discord ping at 6:10

[@themagitechie9955]

ah, so I'm not the only shmuck who thought they had a discord notification. good times.

[@pressaTD]

I know so annoying… lol

[@reedjohnson5916]

I subbed, i been listening to your videos while im at work usually

[@SyntaX7777]

always hyped to see a new upload

[@psinjo]

so, i really appreciated the ending. mostly cuz i hate loui, but i think the 'only killing things by poison' was... unnecessary... namely because i don't think it added anything meaningful... besides just pain and time. I like challenges that actually challenge you, coming up with interesting solutions, alternate strategies, etc. Even if you had left it at 'any enemy we can kill with poison, we have to' but i guess... by the technical definition... you can beat pickmin 2 with any colored pikmin... as long as you're just willing to grind out enemy bodies long enough.

[@olimar12345]

Subscribed! I love your videos-very impressive and interesting stuff!

[@HDMI-17]

YO ITS HIM

[@celiafraze123]

Ur absolutely insane for doing this run I love it!

[@PhantomAarantula]

About 20 minutes in. I feel like when there's no time limit that would cost you the run, the idea of denying yourself a basic action like attacking directly makes this stop feeling like a challenge run and more like just a waste of time. It's senseless to deny yourself a means of damaging enemies that can't ingest Pikmin if you're going to make up the difference farming enemies anyway.

[@FeatheredCreature]

I think this challenge was my favorite one so far. The pikmin going crazy at the end was such a good idea

[@velvetbutterfly]

I enjoy the fact I found you shortly before the exchange program started up between this and the Fire Bomb Academy. It was cool to see it happen

[@TippiTV]

I was just enjoying this video on my other monitor until about halfway through where I looked over during you talking about the underwater gate in Valley of Repose and audibly said "DAY 289??" You're a trooper dude, loving these challenge runs.

[@spacehamofficial]

Please never stop the Pkmin content I love it so much

[@iminmyglo]

just finished a long shift at work definitely needed this video

[@nulls5408]

I knew this would be a interesting run. Props to you

[@Darkness5423]

For the montage of farming babies for 2 poko's i almost expected Drown Pools - Bodies for the montage since you were literally dropping pikmin bodies for enemy bodies.

[@sawneytenmillion8339]

I love your videos so much. I like how you add a bit of story

[@andykegs5584]

Well this run sounds like hell… can’t wait to see how this goes, as I think your pain requires validation 😅 Edit# having finished the video the grind to 10000 pocos must have been truly awful so fair play! I hope you keep doing more pikmin challenges including pikmin 4 where you can eventually just grow all of them though they are gated and may take longer to get access to but looking forward to whatever you come up with 👍🏻

[@Final_Starman]

New video let’s go! Poison combat only sounds PAINFUL!!

[@329link]

If you weren't aware, the submerged castle doesn't have any ivory candypop buds in it anyway, only violet. So you could see it as a sort of blessing that you got stopped early before you were severely disappointed.

[@waveburner1254]

I hope these Thumbnails will become a staple for these videos. They are hilarious. Also after hearing you'd make a whites only run while only being able to attack by poisoning, i thought this will be impossible because many enemies don't attack by biting. Breadbugs, Dweevils, Gattling Groink, Water Wraith, Man-At-Legs... This is going to be interesting to watch.

[@sleeplessvalley]

this has similar energy to the low% true ending hollow knight run that skurry did. love this so much

[@trevthegamedev]

I love this channel!

[@julianl1985]

now THAT is a challenge run. amazing dedication

[@TOOTHBRUSHDUCK]

Early in the vid, but the can only use their poison damage feels very tacked on to the overall rule. But I trust you'll find a way to pay it off

[@benkunc5314]

White Pikmin: Why are we still here just to suffer.

[@guysir1130]

Quirked up White Pikmin, goated with the spicy sauce, busting it down (flower style)

[@felipealejandro225]

NOTE: If you defeat a boss that drops a treasure and you dont have enough Pikmin to carry that treasure, its weight will decrease to match the number of Pikmin you have. So at 9:46 if you reach the Sublevel with only 16 white pikmin (and no reds) and you sacrifice 13 to kill the boss, the treasure would have a weight of 3

[@Religion0]

I watched this while mostly asleep, and my dreaming brain decided that this was actually a Pokemon-Pikmin crossover game. It was pretty cool.

[@Froggycolouring]

White pikmin will always be my favourite, they just so cute nyoom nyoom lil guys

[@naleemabbott]

By far my favorite pikmin so I’m very happy to see this video I love white pikmin bc they make everything feel so smooth for example collecting barries or treasures

[@329link]

Poison damage only? I can already tell the snagret hole is gonna be a fun 15 or so trips, assuming you can even make it there (which is likely, I think). Props dude, the suffering must've been immense. Edit: I very often forget just how few enemies are required to be killed in most dungeons. I'm too used to doing a clean sweep of every floor lol.

[@Daxter250]

the way ya talking is so funny xD, like a sad sing song. btw. when will ya do the next challenge against lemon? gotta kick his butt to make him feel alive after all!

[@BluePrism04]

I was sent by the Fire Bomb Academy to sub, for the pikmin and soulslike lovers must combine🎉

[@pressaTD]

Uneasy alliance!!

[@DKMaester]

I really liked the captain's log.

[@thermometerman1824]

i remember when you only had a few thousand subs... please, remember me when you're famous!!

[@devinusleton6634]

Assuming no deaths and also that my math is correct, 22 pokos per poko collecting day (as opposed to white pikmin collecting day) would leave 136 or so days to get 3000 pokos, and 3 white pikmin being fed per those 135 days leaves 45 white pikmin; are 45 white pikmin worth 3000 pokos? idk but i'd like to think theyre worth more tbh

[@caramel5827]

I love how your PTSD with the final boss from previous runs makes you have to kill it with the white pikmin, quite a funny climax. I would love to know though how long it took you to grind out the money for the debt since the repetitive killing of the same enemy in the same place is what drives people to madness.

[@zacmarken65]

i need to confess that the first thing i thought seeing the title was "Can You Beat Life With Only Whites?" and i saw the title a few hrs i think after you uploaded it, then i was kinda just left with that popping into my head intermediately throughout the day whenever i was left alone with my thoughts.

[@dagonplaysgamez5795]

you spent 58 and a half hours to recover that debt. Talk about dedication.

[@imsodumbwhy2869]

the president watching Olivemars and louis take 270 days to repay the debt: da heck they doin' over there?

[@user-yj6oe1tx4i]

my favorite pikmin type in action thank you a lot

[@MapleLunii]

The Rock Pikmin from the last thumbnail got a scary little cousin!

[@consolecrashes7299]

Rest in peace for the one white that got drowned bc he had 20 lol 😂

[@VectorKnightZX]

Hey. Press A. I've got a few questions for you. ...Why would you do this to yourself? Are you okay? Do you need help? Your self-flagellation earned you a like and a comment, though. I shouldn't be encouraging this kind of behavior.

[@vaterquality]

Wake up babe, new Press A! Pikmin challenge video dropped

[@SwitheKun]

6:18 you can also tell when you have all treasures on a floor as the pikmin will sing a different song when not in combat

[@CoolGamer4161]

Please do Pikmin 4 without Oatchi. I tried it myself, and there’s some really interesting things that you can’t do. I’d love to see how you get around some of it.

[@Bangarang341]

24:02 they call him, the Bloom Slayer

[@GigasGMX]

I think this one crossed the line from “challenge run” to “masochism”

[@RoninCatholic]

White Pikmin can attack, just poorly. Yes, sacrifice is often the most efficient way they have to kill, but sometimes it's better to take longer (especially in caves, which don't have a time limit) and have more Pikmin to carry treasure.

[@Tobienda]

And this is why, in every Pikmin game where they appear, I call the white pikmin my suicide squad. Not because I let them to die, but because they are always the one to die eaten among all the other types (Yes, I throw every type of pikmin in combat)

[@logansmith2703]

The added challenge of not letting them attack was entirely not worth it

[@Athesies]

Omg the poison only limitation sounds like it will be agony geez

[@octoguygmod]

With the final boss, you're not *technically* damaging him, you're just knocking off his weapons.

[@zeen9505]

I did a run like this with a white onion mod and had a blast haha

[@Jim724]

Ok I HAVE to know, what was the final death count after grinding 3,000 pokos like that and having to sacrifice to kill anything

[@Telawin]

honestly I thought this is what Lemon would do (minus the poison only restriction)

[@pedrovictorsilvaladeira7877]

This run was insane! I can't believe you farmed all those white Pikmin without destroying that paper bag. And why did you only killed enemies with poison? The last 3000 pokos with only collecting dead creatures, which you can only kill with Kamikaze pikmins, this looks like too much work for so little reward. This guy must be one of the most patient people of all

[@unemilifleur]

The arbitary rule that white have to be eaten to deal damage feels unecessary masochistic

[@TheCookieMC_]

Haven't watched the vid yet but I know it's good

[@Blocky367_]

its good

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

Thankfully, the Doomsday Device is not mandatory, otherwise only the purple only run would be possible.

[@mme.veronica735]

I think the "no attacking with white pikmen" rule was unnecessary.

[@dracozeon_]

I was really hoping id get to see the end game stats

[@SyncraticLucefer]

The white and purple onion mod could make this less painful

[@chaosryans]

I never played pikmin so i was thinking the whites couldn't attack, but the comments indicate that was just extra challenge. I suppose that's ok if they essentially play like everything else outside of their special powers.

[@cameron-yo6zp]

Woah, even my 100% files never reached the 200s, crazy to see.