Can You Beat Sonic Mania As Sonic Without Moving Sonic?

[@superkonijn988]

Sonic went from doing absolutely nothing to occasionally jumping. Truly a great character arc

[@stuarthough8440]

so true

[@memedude8303]

he is recovering from his paralysis

[@stuarthough8440]

@@memedude8303 only did slightly but yes

[@SonicWarrior1]

Mania captures the spirit of this challenge perfectly - poor Tails looks hes in constant pain every time he ascends.

[@spidermacho123]

the reason why tails can't break some objects is because he's not really there. after all, he died in sonic 2 for the master system! sonic isn't moving because he blames himself for the death of his friend, and as such, he sworn to never move again. this "tails" is actually a representation of sonic's grief. you can see in the video that he even considers killing sonic at a few points. in fact, all of this was just a dream sonic had, which explains why it skips to another act whenever tails can1t progress.

[@whoisthisgit]

It all makes so much sense now!

[@gukeoke6312]

This would make for a really good creepypasta

[@OfcourseJimmy000]

witg lore? maybe

[@tntmoxy9697]

Sonic holding on to Tails when he flies is also an allegory of how he can't "move on" and let him go.

[@dmas7749]

16:28 he's terrible but saying you can beat him without d-pad is a bit far, don't you think? 17:50 i...have no words...

[@helloyanis]

Great video! If you want, you can do it also in Sonic Advance 3, since there is "tag action" (hold R button then release while jumping) to make tails carry sonic. Here would be the rules for that game -You can't move at all (no D pad) -You can't jump while you're not carrying tails (because jumping while carrying tails does not put you in a spin) -You can jump while carrying tails Try and see if you can beat it!

[@whoisthisgit]

That is the next one I had in mind, and thank you!

[@austria-hungary7680]

the second and third ones nix eachother out.

[@amandamakin1542]

Sonic Advance 3 will be fun! 😄 I think the only other one after that is Heroes, Sonic 4 (yep, that game exists) & possibly Sonic Adventure if you use the New Tricks mod, which adds the ability for Tails to carry Sonic. There's also that forgotten Knuckles in Sonic 2 Cripple Challenge in Sonic 2 video, where you beat Emerald Hill by gliding & jumping as Knuckles. Other than those, certain rom hacks & I do believe that Sonic Triple Trouble fan game allows Sonic to have Tails carry him. But I also enjoy all those Minimalist Boss Rush videos (e.g: Legend of the Mythical Ninja Level 1 weapon, Bomberman No Upgrades, etc.) & similar Cripple Challenge videos (e.g: No jumping as Ristar) These challenge videos are fun, are reminiscent of the original whoisthisgit challenges era & I hope they continue. 🙂

[@jahnaejavion2315]

​@@amandamakin1542don't forget about sonic 4 episode 2

[@Patafoin]

I remember trying to do this chalenge during a stream back in 2018. And this was super fun (and horrible). I rewatched it out of curiosity , and on some level we have totaly different path. That's cool.

[@mariogirl8100]

Didn't you also make an animation based on this too? (Sonic lost his controller, so he couldn't move, and Tails had to drag him all over the game)

[@mariogirl8100]

I know it was for Sonic 3 (and Knuckles)

[@jblue88hoodgamer54]

I call this Cripple Sonic.

[@unfunnyman5371]

not really cripple just a really lazy hedgehog that tries to best pro godlike animal abuser

[@Green_Pix-L]

I call it "Taxi Tails".

[@Peppinos-Paghetti-2763]

but can cripple sonic beat full power mario?

[@rcblazer]

It's time once again to see how far Tails can literally carry Sonic through one of his adventures! I have to say, defeating Robotnik at Puyo Puyo without moving the pieces was a hell of a thing.

[@WhiteFangofWar]

Sonic Man 'E's A Lazy Bum. Next fan project should be a Sonic game where ALL the levels can be beaten this way, and there's a special prize for doing so.

[@Green_Pix-L]

I'm on it. Er shortly after I figure out how to mod anything.

[@miadesynced]

“This guy doesn’t need an introduction, but here’s one anyway” Also can you try to do the impossible zones in the other sonic games with the jump rule? I feel like some of them would be possible

[@davidthecommenter]

12:55 for anyone wanting to replay that moment of genius by git

[@tonhongerakoogers1105]

I think some of the extra low ceiling fails could be passable if you keep holding jump after sending sonic off on the ground with enough speed, as sonic keeps more of his momentum that way.

[@MistyWatersss]

Pretty cool video! Its sad to see how trash Eggman is at puyo puyo, but at least its possible even with the cripple.

[@dicksonmattxenoblade6491]

Honestly, I think in the case of Stardust Speedway, you lucked out not having to beat the boss. I can only imagine how hard or annoying both versions of the final phase of Metal Sonic would be.

[@D0Samp]

Ironically enough, the first time I finally beat that was due to Tails getting stuck behind the boss and damage-boosting through it.

[@Green_Pix-L]

@@D0Samp You were playing as Sonic & Tails together as player one and two, right?

[@Joel-qo6gt]

Concerning CPZ Act 2, those curly pipes change which direction you go depending on the side you enter from. I'm willing to bet there's something that could work on the right hand side of the curly pipe. Additionally, in FBZ 2, there is another route if you allow yourself to be consumed by the trash near the start

[@superkonijn988]

these are always a blast to watch

[@Zulk_RS]

At this point, I feel like this "Sonic Can't Move Challenge" is just a more elaborate version of Tails (and Whois) Abuse.

[@Vintage_Asagi]

Tails should change his name to "Taxi" and charge "miles per hour" eehh? EHHH? I'll see myself out. Lame puns aside, it's always awe-inspiring to see you do things like this

[@deltaquarayza]

5:06 From now on, I will only ever refer to this boss by that.

[@thesmashor4396]

God, even when he can't move the Puyos he's STILL better at Puyo Puyo than me.

[@alexandremontesinos7876]

soooooo true

[@supersonic9236]

Puyo puyo is easy l

[@ArchinaGM]

Getting a chain strong enough to instakill things that can't counter is easy as you can just learn a move called 'stairs' and guarantee a quick 5-chain every time. Though once you finally get into learning puyo seriously it becomes a far more challenging game.

[@spidermacho123]

every time i try to play puyo, i suffer. maybe puzzle games are just not my thing.

[@You_SSSS]

@@supersonic9236 Puyo Puyo is definitely an easy game to pick up on but the skill ceiling is pretty much limitless Playing it at a really high level is super challenging

[@Infindox]

Sonic CD: music's good, the level layouts are bizzare like you said.

[@MrRatchet12661]

40:40 If Insta-Shield is an option, imagine how this challange would have went if you had Drop Dash instead. FB Act 2 would be impossible with Super Peel Out tho...

[@idadood2278]

On the matter of whether or not Sonic should be allowed to instashield, I think I'll allow it. Not the dropdash though, for obvious reasons.

[@randommanyey]

Tails needs a year long rest

[@Spiderpig2398]

Good work! Shame about it being more or less a 50 50, though. ...Now that I think of it, I wonder how Knuckles's Mirage Saloon Act 1 would go if you had Sonic and Tails there by like, a hack or something.

[@crynosinso8324]

You can do it by using debug mode and using a sign post either in Hydrocity Act 2 or Mirage Saloon Act 1 as Sonic/Tails/Mighty/Ray. I don't remember which, but I remember that happening when I was goofing around with debug mode.

[@Orange_Swirl]

You can also test this out in Encore Mode!

[@SuperFroakie82]

You could probably get a couple extra clears if you opted to go with just a no directional buttons run and use the drop dash, althought that would probably save tails a lot of his suffering

[@Accrovideogames]

You should ask someone to mod the game so that Tails can pick up a grounded Sonic. You could then make a follow-up video with the classic rule in mind. You wouldn't have to redo the whole thing, just the parts where Sonic's ability to press the jump button actually made a difference. You also need to prove to us how being able to lift Sonic from the ground would have made the second Metallic Madness boss easier.

[@Zwyrx_Hgqfyggz]

Thus is what Tails gets for skipping Arm Day

[@Tailsbot98761]

To be fair. Git is really good at puyo puyo

[@psychomedal4146]

Imagine you had to do this for your friend for an entire day…

[@AndGoatz04]

act 2-2 is failed, BUT if the boss was Act 3 it's doable

[@DiegoG2004]

Finally, Sonic has discovered the jump button.

[@pikaplayer2870]

Alot if zones i guess would be Impossible based off the boss, like Metal Sonic in Stardust Speeway

[@Jim_the_guy]

Sonic mania but sonic's legs are broken

[@jcoxeye9200]

For Flying Battery 1, I believe you could've given sonic some momentum and then jumped, allowing you to break the monitor without the insta-shield.

[@RaceBandit]

_(contains spoilers - you might want to watch the video before clicking "read more")_ The jump unban technically means there's a new tiering system for clearing out the levels. Same goes for lifting the 10 minute limit. Bronze: Do it. Silver: Either finish the level within the usual 10 minutes, or you can ONLY A Press to grab Tails. Gold: Apply both of Silver's add-ons. I may have missed some extra A-presses when typing all of this up - I would recommend timestamps of any moments that would correct this. Green Hill 1: Gold Green Hill 2: Silver _(I'm counting the water part against this since part of the A press was used specifically to get jump height.)_ Chemical Plant 1: Bronze Chemical Plant 2: NOT CLEAR. I wish I had gone into this game blind, because Scorn of the Mean Bean Machine would've been fucking hysterical and the reaction definitely would've had to go on my channel. tbf I spoiled that bit for myself back in 2017 by looking at an "all bosses" video ... at the time, it didn't seem like something I cared about playing myself. Studiopolis 1: Silver, I think. That timer is really starting to cut into your medal scoring. Also, since 3&K had you Super by trying to jump twice, I'm ruling that it would've invalidated Gold (Extra-A Press) had you used it. Studiopolis 2: Bronze Flying Battery 1: I'll just call the Insta-Shield an Extra A-Press and give you your Bronze. Flying Battery 2: NOT CLEAR. Also, why didn't that door actually split the screen the first time? Press Garden 1: In a roundabout way, Flying Battery got its revenge. NOT CLEAR. Press Garden 2: Headcannon knocked it out of the park with Press Garden ... but also it looks like this act trolled you hard. Bronze. Stardust Speedway 1: Silver (Extra A-Presses) Stardust Speedway 2: I guess you could say Sonic decided to ... Leave Your Ears Alone. *shot* Shame how it ended though. NOT CLEAR. Hydrocity 1: -Somebody make a SMB1 hack that goes from right to left. You could call it Manga Mario.- I think there was also "I HATE THAT HOG HEDGE!", a Sonic 1 hack that IIRC flipped the entrance/exit positions for each act? Anyway, that sequence break was interesting, but even though this was NOT CLEAR, you lasted way longer than I thought. Hydrocity 2: Hey, you _did_ manage to beat PG2... uh, is a Knuckles & Tails team possible? That would be an interesting spinoff. Anyway, NOT CLEAR. Mirage Saloon 1: Tails, what the hell? Mirage Saloon 2: Silver, I think. The guns looked like they needed an A-press to escape. Oil Ocean 1: Gold ... I think. This act might've bored me a bit. Oil Ocean 2: Come to think about it, I'm surprised the smoke doesn't reduce Tails' max flight time while you're losing rings. Shame about the boss forcing you to drop down to Silver. Lava Reef 1: Probably unusual for a quick fail to have an actiony start. Lava Reef 2: Wow, this zone hated you. Metallic Madness 1: Theoretical ... Gold? Metallic Madness 2: Oof, right back to NOT CLEAR. Titanic Monarch 1: Eh, that "pandering to your instincts" bit wasn't as lame as Dr. Regal from MMBN4 and 5. I'd think for a place called _Titanic_ Monarch though there would be a lot of paths to take instead of just getting owned by a low ceiling. Oh well. Titanic Monarch 2: Wow, that grab radius for the plasmaballs is baka. Egg Reverie: lol, no. I like how you didn't even load up that level. Might be interesting to explore bronze/silver tiering in the previous games, and/or to try to wrangle together a Knuckles & Tails spinoff challenge, but on the other hand ... maybe not.

[@spidermacho123]

1:28:54 it's probably because it was an early 3DS game, so it had to abuse the 3D just like how early DS games had forced touch mechanics.

[@bobbob1876]

Tails can carry Sonic in Sonic Robo Blast 2

[@kawafernandes7025]

Next one: Sonic CD (like, the 2011 version with mods, a.k.a. "Sidekick Tails" [Sonic CD (2011)] [Works in Progress]" Sorry, KZbin doesn't allow us to post links anymore :P )

[@imagery5425]

Seems unlikely, he hates CD.

[@ShadeMeadows]

TECHNICALITIES RULES.

[@ChromaNyan]

24:51 at 60fps, this video is worth approximately 363,660 words, excluding the subtitles and the rounding to the nearest second by youtube

[@maxesreal]

I expected you to get a mod that restores the old escort mechanic, but hey the rules for this one are pretty dope and challenging. Will you do a CD run though? I wonder if there is a mod that has you playing as Sonic and Tails somehow... and I wonder if the run is doable at all considering CD's chaotic mess of a level design.

[@Forgemno]

Interesting

[@qu1253]

Imagine Whacky Workbench without moving Sonic. Holy hell.

[@whoisthisgit]

It's really hard to say if CD will be possible at all, but I'm guessing the boss acts will be simple enough.

[@That0neDude]

if that ever happens, you should let sonic jump in that challenge as well.

[@Swagpion]

No way, the race can't be done.

[@KanaIzumiya]

It's Sonic's Day Off once again!

[@RaphielShiraha64]

for act 2 of flying battery if you allowed insta shield you could technically use shield abilities no? there was a fire shield there you could use that against the wind.

[@nicocchi]

With how many glitches you've found doing this silly challenge (noisy springs, getting stuck in walls, that thing in Flying Battery 2), you should be on the playtesting team for Mania 2. Bonus points if you can convince the level designers to alter the levels a little bit to make them just possible to beat doing this.

[@jollykirby2138]

3:35 wh- okay, thats a hilarious excuse

[@Wild.]

I actually really like the thumbnail, did you make it? 🤔

[@Wild.]

@@EvolutionArchive23 well it looks really good. 😁

[@Wild.]

@@EvolutionArchive23 ye :D

[@Dragorosso95]

The reason Kirby Triple Deluxe used the background so much is because, you know, a 3D game so they wanted to use that feature back in the day

[@Shantae1188]

I like what they did with it too.

[@MisterCrowley]

Titanic Monarch Act 1 has the best music and I will not let anyone tell me otherwise.

[@amandamakin1542]

List of levels in this challenge: 2:01 - Green Hill Zone Act 1 (Possible) 5:23 - Green Hill Zone Act 2 (Possible) 9:27 - Chemical Plant Zone Act 1 (Possible) 14:00 - Chemical Plant Zone Act 2 (Impossible) 18:16 - Studiopolis Zone Act 1 (Possible) 24:20 - Studiopolis Zone Act 2 (Possible) 31:31 - Flying Battery Zone Act 1 (Possible) 40:38 - Flying Battery Zone Act 2 (Impossible) 43:30 - Press Garden Zone Act 1 (Impossible) 44:33 - Press Garden Zone Act 2 (Possible) 52:00 - Stardust Speedway Zone Act 1 (Possible) 57:35 - Stardust Speedway Zone Act 2 (Impossible) 1:00:23 - Hydrocity Zone Act 1 (Impossible) 1:06:14 - Hydrocity Zone Act 2 (Impossible) 1:08:47 - Mirage Saloon Zone Act 1 (Impossible) 1:09:41 - Mirage Saloon Zone Act 2 (Possible) 1:13:40 - Oil Ocean Zone Act 1 (Possible) 1:17:21 - Oil Ocean Zone Act 2 (Possible) 1:25:11 - Lava Reef Zone Act 1 (Impossible) 1:25:54 - Lava Reef Zone Act 2 (Impossible) 1:26:51 - Metallic Madness Zone Act 1 (Possible) 1:34:56 - Metallic Madness Zone Act 2 (Impossible) 1:35:33 - Titanic Monarch Zone Act 1 (Impossible) 1:38:20 - Titanic Monarch Zone Act 2 (Impossible)

[@LiroRaeriyo]

alright! another entry into "how much can you abuse tails while still beating X sonic game?"

[@Aquasition1]

Regarding Titanic Monarch Act 1, you can jump out of the Egg Robo's vehicle. Perhaps if you jump at the right moment, you'll land in the right place and have enough forward momentum to clear the low ceiling?

[@DoctorNovakaine]

Sonic Mania Plus...I guess the "plus" refers to "plus one action command allowed to Sonic." I'd be curious about you revisiting the previous three challenges to see if any zones that were previous failures become possible with the "straight up jump allowed" variant, maybe calling it Mania Rules. I doubt it affects a ton of them, given that there were plenty of roadblocks where a jump didn't solve things, but maybe a few of those hanging objects could be conquered?

[@jahnaejavion2315]

Apparently The hydrocity act with the sonic statues is the beatable act

[@paytonbostwick2899]

if you play in encore mode you can just tag into any other character and ignore sonic, would be an easy cop-out

[@stuarthough8440]

longest video ever thanks for making this

[@synodicseason]

sonic? more like…… uhh….. say no!!!! to sonic!!!!!! haha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@gamerx4597]

if you allowed the insta shield you maybe coulda used the fire shields power to allow sonic to dash across 43:00

[@tajini817]

But that's Sonic moving though

[@OhCrapI_He]

Perhaps you could try taking on the final boss without moving Sonic

[@Gremblebemble]

You know with what happened around 42:18 I think a modern tails abuse episode could be based around these small tails hating interactions?

[@tntmoxy9697]

You looked so smug during the first half of the video, I wanted to punch you in the face xD but it was totally worth it! (Just kidding anyway) You know, that's actually one reason why I don't like Sonic Mania, his "personality", like you said in the Undertale video, if Sonic Mania were a person, he'd probably be one of those arrogant fans who say that the fans themselves They make things better than Sega itself. I don't like its quality based on nostalgia, it's like standing on the shoulders of people in the past and their hard work to achieve success faster and easier, on top of that their team, Whithead, Tee Lopez, etc. They are very loved today, more than Sega himself, it makes me feel that they are the cool ones and the winners and I just have to be on their team, that they are too amazing even for me, I know that Sonic is cool, but I never had to feel like him to enjoy his games... and you can't tell me anything because you felt the same way about the absence of Tails in Sonic & Knuckles xD The best game, even if it is a fangame, for me is Sonic Before The Sequel, it does not have that arrogant feel, rather it feels like a letter of gratitude to Sega for everything we have experienced, rather than an attitude of "look bozo! This is how you make a Sonic game!" that Sonic Mania gives me xD oh, and it's also very rehashed, like those episodes in series where the characters remember events from past episodes, there is no evolution or world building, it's meh :T It is graphically beautiful, I give it that merit

[@autobotstarscream765]

Headcannon definitely intended Mania and Origins/the phone ports to be love letters to Sonic and Sonic Team, it was Sonic Team's decision to put nostalgic content in Mania and Headcannon respected it. 😇

[@josecl3487]

Well beside on starduust speedway there's not way to beat metal sonic final phase cuz is constantly running and u can fall off on the left side

[@49gamer51]

I feel like I heard that intro song before I think it's from Sonic Underground I can't remember

[@49gamer51]

I literally looked it up and apparently it was from Sonic CD

[@thesmilingman7576]

0:59 I wonder how Tails even met Sonic in this universe

[@igorcheglakov333]

Gotta not go

[@TheDiego908]

"Famously (well, to me anyway)"

[@unproportionality8968]

13:22 i thought you could've just touched the trigger in flight

[@curlybrace4984]

Flying battery act 1 is possible without the instashield if you get some momentum to drop sonic on the ground in that small tunnel, then have him jump as he's still moving forward. Could also maybe do something with that in act 2 during the rainy section.

[@spicybreadproductions1972]

1:07:50 you should play Touhou

[@retro3188]

Awesome!

[@t-bird6853]

You should do Sonic Dash without moving Sonic next

[@jahnaejavion2315]

Impossible

[@t-bird6853]

@@jahnaejavion2315 how is it impossible

[@nadavvvv]

for titanic monarch act 1 cant you get hit by that auto aim circle thingy multiple times and get slightly pushed every time? should work if you collect rings

[@heliodixy9293]

Hopefully this is not Sonic XL, tails would not be able to carry Sonic.

[@qu1253]

Curious: What makes Sonic Origins poopy? I don't know anything about it, apart from the fact that it's a compilation of the Genesis / Mega Drive Sonic games (and CD) with widescreen support (and it costs $40 which is way too much).

[@whoisthisgit]

It's CD I was calling poopy, but Origins itself is pretty disappointing still, and it even bizarrely has some glitches than weren't in the original version.

[@Keisezrgs]

whats next in the series? CD? Also Tails abuse Extra 15 wen?

[@davidthecommenter]

someday when a version of CD that allows sonic & tails comes out, but for now it won't be that day.

[@TheCollector2401]

Wait a second if jumps are aloud can’t sonic just use the drop dash as that doesn’t use directional inputs? I guess you didn’t use it because it would just be “Can you beat Sonic Mania with only the drop dash?“ challenge (would probably make a good video as well)

[@curlybrace4984]

You sure there isn't a mod that lets tails pick him up from the ground?

[@bivcbmtgstgtssscqcrddgtrsm2257]

I love Triple deluxe...

[@Mario154047]

34:08 😂

[@user-unos111]

I just noticed Sonic in the thumbnail looks like his movie counterpart. Any reason for that?

[@user-unos111]

@@EvolutionArchive23 I said it because of the not cojoined eyes

[@kyanoang3l0_old]

Sonic Mania Tails Abuse 2

[@BluShiGuy]

Sonic time

[@Wings_Of_Nightfall]

I don't see how the cameras can ruin your street cred. If anything, they're ruining Sonic's because it's showing the world that he's using his naturally gifted friend to move his lazy hide all around Mobius…? Freedom Planet? WHATEVER it's called nowadays, Sonic's lack of motivation has been shown to the whole planet. In a way I guess Eggman wins then, even if his "300 iq" is not applicable to Puyo Puyo.

[@omocahofan1746]

Sonic 1 is set on South Island. Sonic’s home is Christmas Island Sonic 2 is set on west side island Sonic 3 is set on and near angel island, and Sonic cd is set on little planet

[@Green_Pix-L]

I agree.

[@thedinosus2218]

Next video: CAN YOU BEAT SONIC 1 WITHOUT OPENING THE GAME

[@Green_Pix-L]

Definitely not.

[@stuarthough8440]

whoisthisgit ill just say to u dont even say youre cheating because if making sonic jump on the spot to make tails grab him and carry him forwards its not cheating so dont listen to the people saying oh youre moving sonic youre making him jump because u dont have a choice and need him to jump its not cheating