Can you build a brand new Commodore 64 from (nearly) 100% new parts?

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The Retro Shack

The Retro Shack

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@JVHShack
@JVHShack 2 жыл бұрын
As far as I know, there are modern replacements for nearly all of the Commodore custom chips now. You may want to look into seeking them out for a later video.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Already have some on order but they didn't arrive in time for this video - they'll be in the next episode :)
@JamesEzell
@JamesEzell 2 жыл бұрын
This would be a fun video
@djcsdy2
@djcsdy2 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheRetroShack Looking forward to that! I have my doubts that anyone could make a 100% compatible VIC-II clone* what with all the weird timing bugs that the whole demoscene and plenty of games rely on, but it's not something I've been following recently so I hope to be pleasantly surprised :-). *An ARM chip running a VIC-II emulator in software doesn't count! 🙂
@stefanweilhartner4415
@stefanweilhartner4415 2 жыл бұрын
@@djcsdy2 it "just" a matter of thorough debugging. regarding these timing issues, it is possible to write software that exactly constructs these corner cases. usually it has something to do with ending or starting a line or writing into a sprite register shortly around the time where the sprite is displayed. it is not magic but thorough work and trying to find all corner cases. you have all the registers and have to find out the time where writing to the register results in an update. one example: changing the color of a sprite: does it work in the middle of a sprite, does it work only before the sprite is painted, what delay do you have when the first pixel in the line has already been drawn. it is a huge amount of work to write and check all these (corner) cases. but it can be done. especially when changing a lot in the VHDL code, you have to run these tests again.
@djcsdy2
@djcsdy2 2 жыл бұрын
@@stefanweilhartner4415 That's true, but what I was trying to get at is that there may still be unknown unknowns. It's not that long ago that demos were coming out all the time that relied on some newly discovered quirk, and emulators which previously supported every known piece of software would have to be updated to support the newly discovered behaviour. I haven't been following the scene closely in nearly ten years, so for all I know that hasn't happened for a long time, but the scene is still active and I wouldn't like to place any bets that there aren't any quirks left undiscovered. To be absolutely sure you'd have to decap a VIC-II and transcribe its design into a formal proof. As far as I know nobody has done that but I could be wrong. I have written code to exploit timing-sensitive bugs on the C64 myself (DMA Delay scrolling, etc) so I do have some idea what I'm talking about although I might be out of date! 🙂
@Medaasolasso
@Medaasolasso 2 жыл бұрын
As a child of the eighties and an avid solder-boy, I drool at the thought of doing this project myself ! All those pins to solder !🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰 Loved the video,it was a great watch and very informative. Cheers!
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much! Glad you enjoyed it and you should definitely have a go!
@lorenzo.c
@lorenzo.c 2 жыл бұрын
When the silicon shortage will ease, I suggest trying to get hold of one of Randy Rossi's 'Kawari' VIC-II replacements. The work done by Randy Rossi is phenomenal. I suggest to check out his channel.
@rodoherty1
@rodoherty1 2 жыл бұрын
Great to see a new c64 come to life. Would love to see a follow up where you birth a new c64 using all brand-new parts. I'm more than happy to see FPGA or any other type of substitute for parts that are no longer available.
@Cyko..
@Cyko.. 2 жыл бұрын
That is just too awesome! The Commodore 64 was one of my favorites back in the day. The graphics were far superior than anything available at the time.
@NorseGraphic
@NorseGraphic 2 жыл бұрын
First computer I learned to program. Had so many games, and had fun. Typed in programs from magazines in printed edition, and saved on the cassette, before I got the floppy disc-drive. Back then, copying games was simply to have a twodeck, press play on one and record on the other.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much - glad you enjoyed it!
@billyoung8118
@billyoung8118 2 жыл бұрын
@@NorseGraphic I typed in many Jim Butterfield programs from Compute! magazine. Learned a lot from that guy. He passed 6/29/2007 at age 71.
@valley_robot
@valley_robot 2 жыл бұрын
I’m a C64 guy but I have to disagree, the spectrum had far superior high res graphics and better 3D , the 64 had console style graphics and everything was a bit brown , they looked better on first viewings , but sometimes less colours is better,just look at the gameboy.
@Cyko..
@Cyko.. 2 жыл бұрын
@@billyoung8118 I loved getting Compute! magazine every month and spending a little time entering in the programs line by line then saving it to the data cassette! 🤣
@billyoung8118
@billyoung8118 2 жыл бұрын
Such warm memories of my C64! Learned machine language, raster interrupts, binary logic, etc. from that machine. Built my own line drawing and region filling routines in machine language in my mid teens. Today some icons require more RAM than was available in all of the 4 banks the C64 had.
@ABQSentinel
@ABQSentinel 2 жыл бұрын
That was very cool! I love the C-64. It was the second computer I owned as a child, and saw me into college when I finally graduated to a PC (80386-25MHz).
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Making me feel old! My first pc was an 8088 :)
@chrisbranson1490
@chrisbranson1490 2 жыл бұрын
Great project - When I did mine I used a SixtyClone 250466 as this rev uses the original bread bin SID and VIC-II but benefits from having only the two RAM ICs. With the same aim as using as many new parts as possible I also used the c0pperdragon RF board which gives a much improved video out, ARMSID and GAL based PLA - I also put in a SaRuMan static RAM board and Tolb 8701 replacement, and burnt my own ROM chips for Basic, Kernal and Char. The CPU, CIAs and VIC-II were all salvaged parts as there were no other choices.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
The plan was to use more homebrew chips but some aren’t available yet as you say, and the kernel and char roms I ordered didn’t turn up in time so they’ll be in the next episode :)
@brostenen
@brostenen 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds much like my SixtyClone. But I went for a RetroTink instead. I also managed to get hands on a NOS modulator. So mine have a near flawless video output. Especially with the Rev5 VIC-II.
@AndrewAHayes
@AndrewAHayes 2 жыл бұрын
I bought the original ZX80 kit and built it at school in my Technology class and after building it it did not work, both me and my teacher tried to problem search it without success ( we suspected a faulty Z80) so I sent it to Sinclair for repair and they sent a brand new kit back with no explanation or paperwork and about 3 weeks later my original build came back working as well, I loved that little thing!
@svenhaheim
@svenhaheim 2 жыл бұрын
I always get a little tingle when I see a C64 boot up, 8 years of my life back in the 80ies.
@CheshireNoir
@CheshireNoir 2 жыл бұрын
I'm enjoying this kind of content. I've added a Floppy Drive controller to my Omega, which, other than getting screwed with some fake ICs, was an easy build.
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L 2 жыл бұрын
Was sent here by Hackaday. Thoroughly enjoyed the laid-back delivery and the camera closeups! At first I thought I’d basically have already seen it from other C64 and Amiga build videos, but I was wrong, you put your own spin on it! I reckon you might have a new subscriber :)
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks and welcome aboard (hopefully!) Glad you enjoyed the video and good to know that Hackaday had picked up on it :)
@atsekjoker
@atsekjoker 2 жыл бұрын
came here by accident, was not disappointed. subbed!
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Nice to have you here! Thanks for the sub :)
@fattomandeibu
@fattomandeibu 2 жыл бұрын
Got a 64C when I was 5 years old and have been hooked on computers(vintage and modern, just flat out skint myself upgrading my graphics card when the prices tumbled back to relative normalcy last week) ever since. My 64 come with a cartridge of Fiendish Freddy's, Flimbo's Quest, Klax and some football game. Spent the next 5 years spent all my pocket money on a new tape every week or so until I upgraded to an A1200. I still have the machine and it still works, but the power supply is looking well dodgy so I leave enjoying my youth to a Raspberry Pi 4 these days. Some of my personal favourites are Wizball, Mayhem in Monsterland, Double Dragon 2(NOT the original, or the third game, which while almost arcade perfect, was terrible in arcades, too), Sensitive, P.P. Hammer and Exile.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing and glad you enjoyed it :)
@markw5805
@markw5805 2 жыл бұрын
Brings back so many memories as I worked for a company from 97-2007 that developed everything in the 80’s. It all worked and reliable. Things changed with digital audio and allowed any schmuck that programmed to buy stuff off the shelf. The death of analog computer audio distribution.
@matthewwright2598
@matthewwright2598 2 жыл бұрын
Just great to see that two tone blue screen eventually burst in to life. This was the first computer I ever "owned" (parents bought it for me of course). I had an Atari 2600 before that but I'd call that a console rather than a computer now but at that time it was all classed as "computers". I'd seen and played with a ZX-81 of my cousins before that. Great memories. Thanks so much.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matthew - so glad you enjoyed it. Got an enterprising episode coming up soon thanks to you ;)
@matthewwright2598
@matthewwright2598 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheRetroShack ;-)
@NJP76
@NJP76 2 жыл бұрын
@@matthewwright2598 Actually you are correct. The Atari 2600 was labeled as "VCS" (Video Computer System)...at least the ones I had were labeled that way. There was also a cartridge for the 2600 that had BASIC and turned the 2600 into (sort of) a programmable system. It came with a special keyboard type controller. The BASIC program was pretty much useless (couldn't save anything, and it was VERY limited), but I still had a lot of fun with it.
@danielmantione
@danielmantione 2 жыл бұрын
It always makes me smile when my PLA20V8 brings another C64 to life!
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
It's working a treat! Nice job :) :)
@bwack
@bwack Жыл бұрын
Great work! Interesting notes regarding Rev B and differences. I'll update the github repo for this pcb project and mention it 👍
@daveriddell3704
@daveriddell3704 2 жыл бұрын
I loved my C64. I still have it along with the 1541 5 1/4" floppy drive and original RCA XL100 tv (14") I used as a monitor! All still fully functional. Had lots of fun with it! :) Just have relearn GW Basic to get it functional!
@mortensteen
@mortensteen 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome job! Your soldering skills are top class. :D Really satisfying to watch.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@demus8757
@demus8757 2 жыл бұрын
Finally a video from somebody who really knows how to solder. I have seen so many videos from people who absolutely can't solder at all. Well done.
@CarlLefrancois
@CarlLefrancois 2 жыл бұрын
top content, thanks for this. at 8:01 the thought occurred "I would mount the resistors and run them continuously for a week to show any failure over longer time periods then take only the passing chips, or stop bothering to test them if none of them fail after all." I wonder if running them an hour a day versus nonstop would affect them? soldering them straight on works as long as it's quick enough to make a new one if it fails.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks and glad you enjoyed it! I'm too impatient for multi-day soak tests :) :) :)
@KerboOnYT
@KerboOnYT 2 жыл бұрын
Cool build! I can almost smell the solder smoke. Greetings from Missouri, USA
@lucilestrange6950
@lucilestrange6950 2 жыл бұрын
You've inspired me to take up projects in my 40's....not long to wait 😆
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to have kickstarted another tinkerer into action!
@steven12426
@steven12426 2 жыл бұрын
I was just wondering if it's possible to do this kind of thing, building new old computers. It's scarry how well the algorithm works, but I'm glad I found your channel
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you found us too :)
@Hawkwreak
@Hawkwreak 2 жыл бұрын
First of all. You have a new subscriber. Thank you algorithm. Secondly.. is something like this possible for say... An Amiga?
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hawkwreak It is, and I’ll be tackling one in a later episode :)
@Hawkwreak
@Hawkwreak 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheRetroShack I should clarify... This is possible with say. The a1200??
@domramsey
@domramsey 2 жыл бұрын
Great project and great work. I'd love to see you take this to 100% if you can!
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
That’s the long term plan :) Thanks for watching :)
@michaelcarey
@michaelcarey 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, there is something quite magical about building your own C64 board! I've recently put together an 250466 SixtyClone board (in glorious purple!) and I too used the Retro8BITshop kit of parts. My build uses a few replica parts like a J-PLA, NanoSwinSID, a SauRuMan64 RAM module and a TEBL Modulator Replacement PCB. For my ROM chips I am using CornBit V2 from BackBit. I also went for a RECOM Switching 5V regulator in place of the 7805, it runs a lot cooler... no need for a heatsink. My original BreadBin machine uses the less common KU-14194HB board of which Bwack has also made a replica.
@KRAFTWERK2K6
@KRAFTWERK2K6 2 жыл бұрын
Oh this is fantastic. I really feel like wanting to put together one as well to celebrate the 40th Anniversary of the C64 by giving birth to a very very personal handcrafted C64. Simply because this was the first homecomputer i ever had the privilege to get in touch with as a kid and playing Maniac Mansion and Epyx Winter Games on it together with my father. I just HAVE to do it. Thank you for doing this and showing every step. Already had lots of fun watching you putting together that new ZX Spectrum kit (which i too wanna do at one point) and i was wondering if there would be a C64 special too considering all these alternative new-retro parts being available.
@pufek52
@pufek52 2 жыл бұрын
It`s been a very long time since I seen such clean soldiering tighty job, well done. Bring back old memories, my first C64 got it when I was 14 miss those days.
@StrangelyIronic
@StrangelyIronic 2 жыл бұрын
3D printed pieces are fine if you take the time to prep and finish. I sculpt/model up ideas, figures, diorama pieces, etc in Blender before diving into hand sculpting using the 3D piece as reference or just straight printing the pieces out either with filament or resin. Coming from doing a lot of auto body work, the newer filament printers are high enough resolution to get a smooth line new finish without a lot of prep work (basically filler into sanding, on primarily flat or straight-line shapes if printed at high resolution you can get away with 2 coats of primer/filler paint after initial sanding, first coat, wet sand, second coat, wet sand, then go for a final into paint). The only time I default to resin is if there's a lot of tucked away details making proper finishing a paint. Not to say you shouldn't prep resin prints too, they're definitely cleaner and higher resolution, but there's still room for improvement (especially drainage holes if those aren't hidden when assembled). If typically create molds with my pieces after achieving the proper surface and finally casting the final piece. Not really required for a one off, but if you're planning on doing even a limited run of figures or something it's a lot simpler to just cast them for a consistent end result over printing and finishing each (not to mention faster).
@HAGSLAB
@HAGSLAB 2 жыл бұрын
Lovely video! I just love that this is possible. It feels good to know that modern replacements make sure that the C64 legacy will never die.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it - Next episode coming this Friday!
@HAGSLAB
@HAGSLAB 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheRetroShack Cool, I'm watching for sure 😊
@ericerqueiira
@ericerqueiira 2 жыл бұрын
You made my day better today with this amazing project! Thank you!
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
You are so welcome!
@ronaldmurray7746
@ronaldmurray7746 2 жыл бұрын
C 64 was my entry into computers, I ended up with a 128 , 1541 drive 1701 monitor, thanks for bringing back those good memories
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
You’re very welcome, glad you enjoyed it :)
@thisiszeev
@thisiszeev 2 жыл бұрын
Solder type or screw type D-Sub (Joystick Port) Nowadays PCBs are mass populated and leaded components are soldered in one move using a process called reflow, which is a standing wave of moltent solder that skims the bottom of the board as the board passes above. This gives all leads and pins a perfect solder. The problem however, is if you have a connector attached with screws, solder often gets into the grooves of the head or alternatively the threads if the screws are fitted the other way round. However, if you opt to fix the screws at the end of production, then solder often gets drawn between the connector and board often making it near impossible to install screws. This is circumvented with using either clipdown connectors, which fare well against the hot molten solder for the brief time it skims across the standing wave, or the solder type, which is my favourite as it offers better grounding for when you need shielding in your cable, such as in DVI or VGA or HDMI connectors. It was never introduced as a time saver, however it has given that result.
@1kreature
@1kreature 2 жыл бұрын
Technically snipping the leads after soldering can stress the joints. Ideally one would fit and clip the leads before soldering. I'm enjoying this vid to no end! Thanks!
@QualityDoggo
@QualityDoggo 2 жыл бұрын
incredible stuff! crazy to think about how these were designed originally!
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks - glad you enjoyed it!
@rager1969
@rager1969 2 жыл бұрын
KMart! I used to love going to the computer/TV section. Usually, the Atari 8 bit and Commodore Vic-20 or 64 computers were being played on and you'd be relegated to "playing" with the Sinclair/Timex 1000, which no one spent much time on.
@theelvenwtich
@theelvenwtich 2 жыл бұрын
C64 was my first computer. It is great seeing them get love.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely!
@AngeloTelesforo
@AngeloTelesforo 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed a lot seeing you putting it together, as I would never dare doing it!
@aphexteknol
@aphexteknol 2 жыл бұрын
Good to see someone build one of bwack’s boards. I still have his KU replica board to build, so perhaps I’ll tackle that one next….
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
It was a pleasure to build and I'm sure you'd enjoy it!
@ronnycook3569
@ronnycook3569 2 жыл бұрын
You may be able to get a "TheC64" (the big one with the life-size case and keyboard) and repurpose the case and keycaps to save getting it all custom-made. Not sure what you would do with the old internals... maybe mount the PCB in a PC tower case just to mess up expectations. :-)
@RodHartzell
@RodHartzell 2 жыл бұрын
Dude. That was totally bad ass. Thank you for the video.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
You’re very welcome :)
@surefota7941
@surefota7941 2 жыл бұрын
NOSTALGIA!!!!! Thx so mutch for this trip down memory lane... Next stop The Attic.... Got some serious digging to do...🤣🤣🤣
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Have fun!
@curiousottman
@curiousottman 2 жыл бұрын
Your soldering skills must be truly amazing to have it work without any reflowing. Really lovely video.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! I’d say more ‘consistent’ than amazing :)
@graxjpg
@graxjpg 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheRetroShack to have consistently accurate results when soldering a PCB is a little bit amazing for people like me who mostly work on giant discreet components and the equivalent to perf-board.
@graxjpg
@graxjpg 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheRetroShack to have consistently accurate results when soldering a PCB is a little bit amazing for people like me who mostly work on giant discreet components and the equivalent to perf-board.
@walterroche8192
@walterroche8192 2 жыл бұрын
It's old school stuff like this channel that makes it's hopeful for the future of retro games as newer tech & greed force emulator's into the ash bin of history. It's also hopeful for machines like Apple, AMD and most pre-2000's machines! Thanks!!! 🤘🤗
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
You’re very welcome!
@2000freefuel
@2000freefuel 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a C128D kit, the one with the detached keyboard.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
I'm on the hunt :)
@MrGoatflakes
@MrGoatflakes 2 жыл бұрын
C128DCR or bust!
@CediEntertainment
@CediEntertainment 2 жыл бұрын
Man the C64 was my first PC at age 13. When I later got my 5 1/4" disc drive I felt like god.
@redfive5856
@redfive5856 2 жыл бұрын
Because you were.
@AsmodeusMictian
@AsmodeusMictian 2 жыл бұрын
Same here, except I was about 5-6 years old. I don't think my grandmother realized that she was about to change the course of my entire life when she gave that to me :)
@EVPaddy
@EVPaddy 2 жыл бұрын
I was 12 and had the 1541 right away. Later I got myself an SFD-1001. Then I truly was god.
@NorseGraphic
@NorseGraphic 2 жыл бұрын
You aren't alone, same here.😊
@shelbyseelbach9568
@shelbyseelbach9568 2 жыл бұрын
Got to love that cassette drive!
@ScavengerFX
@ScavengerFX 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. It was nail biting at times. I am glad you figure out what was wrong with the build. Happens to the best of us!
@olaufr
@olaufr 2 жыл бұрын
This is a great video! While it is tempting to start building such a machine, there are so many things that can go wrong it is intimidating. I think we are going towards a DIY C64 but still, it requires skills which are beyond those of the average enthousiast.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
I’d recommend starting with something like the RC2014 which is a smaller project but you get exactly the same buzz when it springs to life :)
@TEDodd
@TEDodd 2 жыл бұрын
Disagree, it's not beyond the attainable skill of the average enthusiast. No, not a first project, but the skills aren't unattainable for most. This isn't tiny surface mount and hot air rework stuff (not that the latter is unattainable either).
@olaufr
@olaufr 2 жыл бұрын
@@TEDodd The difficulty from my point of view is not the soldering etc., it is to diagnose what is wrong when you have everything complete and this is not working. In this video, even if the author is experienced, he had several issues, and solving them requires a very good knowledge of the machine, its components and potential issues.
@marvindroogsma7989
@marvindroogsma7989 Жыл бұрын
Retro8bitshop is watching! And loving your shout out and work!
@tiemanowo
@tiemanowo 2 жыл бұрын
I envy you very much Commodore 64 enthusiasts. I'm an "Atari XL/XE" guy and this saddens me, that Atari does not have so much interests in recreations of PCBs, modern replacement parts etc. But still. nice to know that old stuff still lives! :)
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering how far I could get into a brand new 800XL? Got my thinking cap on! :)
@horusfalcon
@horusfalcon 2 жыл бұрын
I've never been a C64 user, but I understand the fascination with this machine. This kit was a bit of a task to put together. I think if I ever build one it will likely be the SixtyClone.
@andybrown3715
@andybrown3715 7 ай бұрын
I loved the 64 - for me the best part about it was the Parallel port that was easily accessed via very simple peek and Poke commands.
@bruce_just_
@bruce_just_ 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting that your GAL-PLA fitted in that turned-pin socket! my one was assembled with larger square pins so needed to redo my PLA repair with a dual-wipe socket ;)
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, just popped straight in :)
@BustaHymen
@BustaHymen 2 жыл бұрын
We're all human, everyone make mistakes and especially with a complex build like this. You sorted it nicely!
@audioAI
@audioAI 2 жыл бұрын
Ahh those days.. And now a days... Great work :)
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much!
@Ginga7r
@Ginga7r 2 жыл бұрын
Well cool chap, the graphics look really good on it too, much better than the spectrum
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks - really please with how this turned out :)
@anon_y_mousse
@anon_y_mousse 2 жыл бұрын
These type of builds are great, I'd love to see someone design a "retro" computer from scratch. Like make a ZX Spectrum but with a good keyboard, and have peripherals built-in. Maybe even add new features. One question, how much does that board cost, I can't login to PCB Way and that page doesn't seem to list a price?
@CattleRustlerOCN
@CattleRustlerOCN 2 жыл бұрын
I think he said 30-40 pounds
@anon_y_mousse
@anon_y_mousse 2 жыл бұрын
@@CattleRustlerOCN Must've missed it, thanks.
@chase_with_jase
@chase_with_jase Жыл бұрын
Very cool to see one built brand new, and remember playing that game back in the 80s.
@leesmithsworkshop
@leesmithsworkshop 2 жыл бұрын
You can get adapters for the New WD6502 chips that are in production to work, but they can be a bit funny with some of the no listed commands. Mattias who makes the ATX 64 was working on 6510 VIC-II and 6526 CIA and had a video recently showing something, but gave no details And you have the Kawari VIC-II as I am sure you know. You also have options for new ram, video ram and colour ram depending on what model you have.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Keep an eye out for the next video coming this Friday where I speak about such things :)
@MegaManNeo
@MegaManNeo 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that this bread bin most likely last at least another 40 years is fantastic.
@Sidchipp
@Sidchipp 2 жыл бұрын
Cool! What is that blue mat that you're using when soldering on with the compartments?
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Anti-Static Soldering Mat, Magnetic 500℃ Heat-Resistant Magnetic Multi-Purpose Repair Mat for Soldering Guns with 1 Pcs Mobile Phone Stand www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07P5YYZKZ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_7V3C4ZB12T0A6GJTBM1P?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
@sg81440
@sg81440 2 жыл бұрын
This was a very good video. I know nothing about this topic, but was captivated the entire time.
@PeterJohnson76
@PeterJohnson76 Жыл бұрын
Great video, I had a C64, 1542 II drive and 1802 monitor. Then upgraded to various Amigas. I regret selling them. Altgough dipping in price by the 90s, they are now worth their full retail cost or more. I often use emulators for nostalgia but there's nothing like real hardware.
@rockyhill3
@rockyhill3 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, fantastic build! Retroshack rulez!
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much! Appreciate it!
@GIBBO4182
@GIBBO4182 2 жыл бұрын
Commodore 64 was the first computer/games console I ever owned! It will always have a place in my heart
@ADGX-Z7100EV
@ADGX-Z7100EV 2 жыл бұрын
0:25 - did you know that in USSR they've cloned ZX Spectrums using discrete components in early 90's
@ADGX-Z7100EV
@ADGX-Z7100EV 2 жыл бұрын
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ZX_Spectrum_clones#Soviet/Russian
@Zerbey
@Zerbey 2 жыл бұрын
Love these projects, waiting until I get a little more confident before tackling one this big!
@Viking8888
@Viking8888 2 жыл бұрын
Super cool trip down memory lane. Although, It was family friends who had a C64. My family had a Vic 20, which was still a blast!
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Vic-20 episode coming up soon :)
@wojwoj06
@wojwoj06 8 ай бұрын
Very nice work, pleasant to watch production! Getting my own kits ASAP! :) That Dropzone is a wicked good game!!! Best Regards from Australia!
@bjw4859
@bjw4859 2 жыл бұрын
That retro game looks like real fun, who here remembers ' Elite ', & how a docking computer was 1st on everyone's to buy list ?. I remember back in the day ( early 80's ) we got got a Texas Instruments TI994A, as my brother needed it for school as for some reason it was better than other comparable computers, maybe someone here might know ?, so I missed the whole Commodore 64 experience, still pissed about that, but I had friends who had them, so not completely in the dark, great video.
@Entrepid83
@Entrepid83 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe a 3D-printed custom case with 40mm fan ports on either side w/ some Noctua fans to facilitate some active cooling on the board? Just a thought. 😁 Maybe even try to work in some dust filters as well! Maybe pair up a NF-A4x20 with an NF-A4x10 to help facilitate slight positive pressure to further work against the dust.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Something VERY cool coming up on this topic very soon :) :)
@Entrepid83
@Entrepid83 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheRetroShack Awesome.
@aresaurelian
@aresaurelian 2 жыл бұрын
This was awesome! Well done.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@borayurt66
@borayurt66 2 жыл бұрын
Good built, always great to see a retro computer come to life whether it is a repaired one or a new built. One question; what version is that diagnostic software you are using? It looks different.
@PeterPanik_
@PeterPanik_ 2 жыл бұрын
love the shape of all the old capacitors, resistors, diods etc.
@IrishObyrne
@IrishObyrne 2 жыл бұрын
I’m in the middle of doing this myself. With black 250466. Also bought the same kit. Just finished soldering in the sockets.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Good luck and hope it all goes well! Let me know how you get on! :)
@jensschroder8214
@jensschroder8214 2 жыл бұрын
What's available: the 6502 is available as the 65C02, but the required 6510 is only available as the original C=. There are replacements for the SID and logic array. But not for the two CIA. For the video IC there might be a replacement with a raspberry pi zerro, I'm not sure. Is dynamic RAM still made in this size? The ROM can be replaced by an EEPROM, but has a slightly different pinout. But if a Raspi is already on the parts list, you can emulate it.
@uliwitness
@uliwitness 2 жыл бұрын
I had hoped this would be more about the hunting down and picking modern parts. Any chance of a future video where you actually source readily available stock parts and track down replacements (like FPGAs or whatever) for the special chips? Maybe even slightly modernize it up a bit by adding a few modern ports like keyboard and display - or at least take apart a modern keyboard to make it work with the C64?
@1kreature
@1kreature 2 жыл бұрын
A bit surprised you needed to swap tips so soon, after less than 1/100 of the work a tip should easily handle. Are you running the tip too hot for the solder making it eat away at it?
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I was surprised too - I think a combination of the iron a bit too hot, and well, frankly some dodgy cheap tips. All rectified now with some good quality items! Don't fall foul of false economy kids! :)
@Auxodium
@Auxodium 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if we could do this for newer consoles like N64s? I know SNES or Mega Drive would be possible. Great video!
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Now you've got me thinking!
@HepauDK
@HepauDK 2 жыл бұрын
I have a C64C sitting around that I haven't gotten around to checking yet. The Esc, 1, 2 and Commodore keys are broken off though, and the cables are quite crispy, so I need to do something about them...
@gijsgijs2365
@gijsgijs2365 2 жыл бұрын
This is iconic! Loved watching it.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it :)
@mikegarland4500
@mikegarland4500 Жыл бұрын
Wow, great work. I am sooo soo tempted to build one of my own, rather than try and get one used on something like ebay. Just imagine the thrill of accomplishment of soldering all that yourself and getting that familiar dark blue/lt blue screen come alive!! Nice job!
@awebuser5914
@awebuser5914 2 жыл бұрын
The 100% "new" parts kind of threw me off since very little IC-wise could possibly be "new". Maybe old-stock, but certainly not new manufacture! Interesting that you used the old PAL-based PLA, not a PLAnkton EV or whatever. I do wonder about the overarching purpose of a completely new board when most old ones can be easily repaired, unless they were utterly destroyed with ham-fisted repair attempts!
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
And indeed some are :). My own ZX-81 was one such poor thing :( Fixed now though :)
@Colin_Ames
@Colin_Ames 2 жыл бұрын
I always enjoy this type of video (well actually, I enjoy all of your videos). Keep them coming!
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Colin - glad you're enjoying it :)
@mcbrigsby6621
@mcbrigsby6621 2 жыл бұрын
FINALLY IT'S WORKED THANKS FOR YOUR VIDEO
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome :)
@AlejandroRodolfoMendez
@AlejandroRodolfoMendez 2 жыл бұрын
Some folks are using the raspberry pico, the micro controller, to programming as replacement processor for some buids that have no more chips like old cpu and more. The issue is that so far you have to programme it by yourself.
@fragalot
@fragalot 2 жыл бұрын
is it possible to have a fastload cart built into one of the ROMs? Maybe install some sort of ultimate loader that has all your carts, and disk images already inside the unit on an SDcard, while still having outward compatibility for a physical cart, printers and disk drives?
@jcfra420
@jcfra420 2 жыл бұрын
My first computer was a Commodore Vic 20 because my parents could not afford the 64. That is where I learned to type, I still remember the Space Invaders inspired typing game to this day. Then I graduated to a Tandy 1000 and I thought I was in heaven.
@spartan246
@spartan246 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know what the fuck is going on but I'm impressed.
@ElectroPotato
@ElectroPotato 2 жыл бұрын
Would be nice to see a console built like this too! An NES/Famicom maybe. UMC's clone chips are readily available.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Now you've got me thinking!
@randysretired2020
@randysretired2020 2 жыл бұрын
I have an old Commodore 64c “Test pilot” kit, an extra floppy disk drive, and several programs. What’s it worth? Not sure if it all powers up. I haven’t set it up since I left Germany in 1992.
@Dreamshadow1977
@Dreamshadow1977 2 жыл бұрын
Why sockets over soldering the chips to the board? Ease of repair? Or does soldering some chips cause damage?
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Simply for ease of replacement in case there's an issue :)
@Slimax
@Slimax Жыл бұрын
Awesome video!!!! Great work and great explainations 😃😃😃
@johnphdk
@johnphdk 2 жыл бұрын
If you're looking into making a new custom case, you should stick to the black theme... i got a feeling that a black case would look awesome.. maybe with backlit keys
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Watch this space! :)
@ro63rto
@ro63rto 2 жыл бұрын
Still have mine in the attic. Time for a nostalgic gaming session I think .
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Go for it - If you've got Thing On A Spring it's one of my favourites! :)
@Rubin5342
@Rubin5342 2 жыл бұрын
I was an early adopter of the Vic20 and C64, I even went to several electronic schools. I owned, traded, enjoyed, played yarda yarda yarda but to me this is like building an old push lawnmower and using it. I must be wrong though, or these raw pcb's would not be produced so, I guess there is a huge rush to build and own a completely obsolete play computer. Thanks for the vid. You are very good. //ji
@anfo_4241
@anfo_4241 2 жыл бұрын
Hard to believe compact disc hit the scene around the same time as this board
@ldchappell1
@ldchappell1 2 жыл бұрын
Even though CD players were available in the US as early as March 1983, the average $1,000 price tag made them unaffordable for most. Two years after becoming available, only 1 in 600 American consumers owned a CD player. I paid $239 for a Sony Discman in 1988. By 1991 they were putting CD players in $80 boom boxes.
@sherpajones
@sherpajones 2 жыл бұрын
People might ask what is the point of building a brand new model of a computer from ~40 years ago. Well, people also build model airplanes, cars, ships, starships, etc. This isn't much different, and it actually has a function that people can explore.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! Good point, well made :)
@foxdavion6865
@foxdavion6865 2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget to install the Faraday cage around the clock. It's not needed for the RF Modulator, since you're using a digital out.
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