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What is the derivative of ln(x^2)? Many know the answer is 2/x, which is actually correct. But most people would make a technical math mistakes during the steps. Can you find it? #calculus #apcalculus
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@bprpcalculusbasics
@bprpcalculusbasics Жыл бұрын
Misteak or misburger?
@Bruh-bk6yo
@Bruh-bk6yo Жыл бұрын
Misfries
@bprpcalculusbasics
@bprpcalculusbasics Жыл бұрын
@@Bruh-bk6yo I can’t live without it 😂
@AceLordy
@AceLordy Жыл бұрын
It was a misburger😂.
@ultimatedude5686
@ultimatedude5686 Жыл бұрын
Neither if you're willing to get a bit more... complex
@leif1075
@leif1075 Жыл бұрын
@@bprpcalculusbasics but it's technically still right if you ignore the domain issue..wouldn't you agree that might be a bit too nitpicky? Hope you can respond.
@Taigokumaru
@Taigokumaru Жыл бұрын
Came here to say the "mistake" is the misspelled word in the video title :P
@AQUTENOLEJ
@AQUTENOLEJ Жыл бұрын
Awww man! That was literally my line. 😅. Thought I was being so original lol
@volodymyrgandzhuk361
@volodymyrgandzhuk361 Жыл бұрын
He did that on purpose
@Taigokumaru
@Taigokumaru Жыл бұрын
@@volodymyrgandzhuk361 Well duh! Because it's the chosen mistake! 😌
@capchemist
@capchemist Жыл бұрын
🥩
@zorrowlo
@zorrowlo Жыл бұрын
Yes, so he got one more engagement
@kobethebeefinmathworld953
@kobethebeefinmathworld953 Жыл бұрын
3:19-3:34 I thought you would cut this part off and make it as another video 😂
@vigintillion6690
@vigintillion6690 Жыл бұрын
why not just derive ln(x^2)? Doesn't that make it easier to apply the chain rule to? It'd be equal to 1/(x^2) * 2x = 2/x
@VlanimationTales
@VlanimationTales Жыл бұрын
As a bonus, you avoid the misteak explained in the video. 😉
@d.h.y
@d.h.y Жыл бұрын
Great point! 😎
@michaeledwardharris
@michaeledwardharris Жыл бұрын
Derivative of abs x is cool. Surprised I haven't seen that until now.
@Firefly256
@Firefly256 Жыл бұрын
There’s also derivative of the lambert W function
@Your_choise
@Your_choise Жыл бұрын
If you are curious about the derivative deviation: abs(x)= x if x>0 -x if x0 then abs’(x)=1=x/x=abs(x)/x if x
@flleaf
@flleaf Жыл бұрын
derivative of absolute value of x is cool because x/|x| is 1 for positive numbers and negative 1 for negative numbers (that's how you can do sign function in programming) and that makes sense because for positive side of |x| the graph goes up, where it would go for function y=x, but on the negative side the graph goes down so the derivative is -1
@cosmicvoidtree
@cosmicvoidtree Жыл бұрын
You also have to make a small exception for x=0 when doing the sign function, just adding “if x=0 then 0”
@oenrn
@oenrn Жыл бұрын
@@cosmicvoidtree No, the derivative of |x| is undefined for x=0. Since |0|/0 is undefined, the expression |x|/x or x/|x| covers the whole domain: - for x0, d/dx = 1
@cosmicvoidtree
@cosmicvoidtree Жыл бұрын
@@oenrn I’m talking about the sign function not the derivative of |x|.
@aliabusaleh419
@aliabusaleh419 Жыл бұрын
Im a rookie programmer and i don't get how that can help make the sin function? I understand that it gives two values which are the max and min values of the sin function, but so what? you can show the piece of code you are talking about if you'd like. Or link a link if you prefer..
@iyziejane
@iyziejane Жыл бұрын
@@aliabusaleh419 sign function, not sine.
@GAPQ-xb6di
@GAPQ-xb6di Жыл бұрын
3:20. Hahahaha. Michael Penn and then BlackPenRedPen. I like to watch their topics and videos about mathematics. It's quite reasonable that when we start to speak with the language of Mathematics then it's even hard to speak in our own language sometimes. Have a nice day Sir. 😉
@nasekiller
@nasekiller Жыл бұрын
I mean, you can just take the derivative of ln(x²) by using chain rule, no need for any absolute value
@stealthgamer4620
@stealthgamer4620 Жыл бұрын
that’s what i did and thot too, i find it excessive too but ig that’s another way to solve it ~that i won’t remember~
@PeterBarnes2
@PeterBarnes2 Жыл бұрын
The derivative of |x| is also called the signum function, sign(x). Obviously, the reason it's called the 'signum' function and not the 'sign' function is because the sine function sin(x) already exists. It is pronounced 'sig-num,' rather than 'sign-um,' just to be that little bit more confusing.
@arthur_p_dent
@arthur_p_dent Жыл бұрын
that's not entirely correct; the two are different for x=0. sign(0) is typically defined as 0, whereas |x| isn't differentiable at x=0, and the derivative of |x| is thus not defined for x=0.
@PeterBarnes2
@PeterBarnes2 Жыл бұрын
​@@arthur_p_dent Then let me put it this way: int{0, x} sign(t)dt = |x| Though, I suppose, with the context of the video being of the very pedantic sort, you are not only technically correct, but also correct to the spirit of the video.
@arthur_p_dent
@arthur_p_dent Жыл бұрын
@@PeterBarnes2 you've got to be that pedantic in maths. If in a math test you are asked about the derivative of abs(x) and you fail to mention that 0 is not in the function's domain, you will lose points. And to be even more pedantic, I am afraid the way you put it is incorrect, too. Keep in mind that the limits of the integration are not commutative. Rather, int{a,b}f(x)dx = - int{b,a}f(x)dx. So, for negative x, int{0, x} sign(t)dt = - int(x,0) sign(t) dt = -|x| = x. Or generally, int{0, x} sign(t)dt = x. If you want an absolute value in the formula without an explicit case distinction based on whether x is greater or smaller than 0, the only way would be by using an implicit case distinction, such as int{min{0,x},max{0,x}} sign(t) dt = [x].
@PeterBarnes2
@PeterBarnes2 Жыл бұрын
​@@arthur_p_dent Well I know the second part of what you said is incorrect because int{0, x} 1 dt = x. int{min{0,x},max{0,x}} sign(t) dt should equal x. You can try it in desmos, or numerically. It's precisely as you said that the limits aren't commutative, that they are anti-commutative, which give this property. Take the piecewise case: int{0, x} sign(t) dt = {int{0, x} 1 dt, x>0; int{0, x} -1 dt, x
@arthur_p_dent
@arthur_p_dent Жыл бұрын
@@PeterBarnes2 damn! stupid sign error. I stand corrected.
@encounteringjack5699
@encounteringjack5699 Жыл бұрын
I see. It’s one of those scenarios where the conclusion was right but the process was wrong.
@Mallor998
@Mallor998 Жыл бұрын
Mi steak is in mi fridge, mi is about to fry it.
@koenth2359
@koenth2359 Жыл бұрын
Easier not to simplify log(x^2), but use chen lu right away: 2x / x^2 = 2/x
@SimonClarkstone
@SimonClarkstone Жыл бұрын
What's "chen lu"? Is it another name for the Chain Rule?
@2eanimation
@2eanimation Жыл бұрын
@@SimonClarkstone Dr Peyam and BPRP originated the term „chen lu“, the way an Asian would (I guess) pronounce „chain rule“(that’s lacist!). You‘ll find more references on KZbin by searching for chen lu
@elederiruzkin8835
@elederiruzkin8835 Жыл бұрын
Nicely explained.
@gravityUTube
@gravityUTube Жыл бұрын
The mistake is spelling "mistake" as "misteak."
@DJ-mr9tg
@DJ-mr9tg Жыл бұрын
It’s at 0:00
@sayamqazi
@sayamqazi Жыл бұрын
But you were not asked to find the mistake anyway. You were asked to find the "misteak" :D
@DJ-mr9tg
@DJ-mr9tg Жыл бұрын
@@sayamqazi there is misteak at 0:00
@SuperTommox
@SuperTommox Жыл бұрын
This is great. I have a similar question: Let's consider (-8)^(1/3). That would equal to -2. We know that 1/3=2/6 So we have (-8)^(1/3)=(-8)^(2/6) But that is just 6-root of (-8)^2. That is 6-root of 64. So, it's just 2.
@Dalroc
@Dalroc Жыл бұрын
Sixth root, not sixteenth root.
@GOLDman4856
@GOLDman4856 Жыл бұрын
Order of operations matters
@SimonClarkstone
@SimonClarkstone Жыл бұрын
x^ab is not always equal to (x^a)^b, once you have fractional exponents, so you can't go from (-8)^(2/6) to [(-8)^2]^(1/6)
@Anmol_Sinha
@Anmol_Sinha Жыл бұрын
The problem is that root(-1²)= -1 even if root(-1²)=root(1)=1. You can google up "principle square roots" to know more and also why root(a)*root(b) != root(ab). If you want to solve this by using normal square roots, then the problem is that when you take a square root, you get both, a negetive and positive value. But you ignored the negetive answer which -2.((-2)⁶=64). you got the answer "2" also which is not exactly correct. This is because when you square 2 different numbers up, you can get 1 value like 8²=(-8)² but from 64, if you take a square root, you end up getting 2 possible answers even if you started by 1.. say -8. By squaring you are basically increasing the number of possible sols resulting to 2 also coming up.
@SuperTommox
@SuperTommox Жыл бұрын
@@SimonClarkstone so when is it possible to do it? When i look up the rules of expoments, usually they say you always can
@hydropage2855
@hydropage2855 Жыл бұрын
Ah cool. I got it right. I noticed the domain getting cut in half
@henrymarkson3758
@henrymarkson3758 Жыл бұрын
Is there really a need for absolute values? A simple application of the Chen Lu on the original function is sufficient. The domain of y' remains the same as the domain of y - R\{0}
@oenrn
@oenrn Жыл бұрын
But ln (x^2) and 2ln(x) have different domains.
@henrymarkson3758
@henrymarkson3758 Жыл бұрын
Yes they do, but you weren't asked to differentiate 2ln( x).
@MichaelRothwell1
@MichaelRothwell1 Жыл бұрын
Well spotted!
@vpambs1pt
@vpambs1pt Жыл бұрын
ln(x^2) = ln(|x|*|x|)=ln(|x) + ln(|x) = 2ln(|x) using positive variables helps a lot keeping the domain when working on ln's x^2=|x| * |x| is a nice decomposition, because |x|>=0, just like x^2 (in R) opposite to x when x
@gary.h.turner
@gary.h.turner Жыл бұрын
Surely the biggest mistake was leaving the 10 seconds from 3:20 to 3:30 in the video? A bit of editing would have enabled a nice smooth-flowing speech.
@kevinstreeter6943
@kevinstreeter6943 Жыл бұрын
Could you have used the chain rule in the beginning? 2x* (1/x^2) = 2/x
@dudono1744
@dudono1744 Жыл бұрын
ln(x) and ln(x^2) don't have same domain, the 2nd line should be 2 ln(|x|)
@krishgarg2806
@krishgarg2806 Жыл бұрын
luckily my teacher did tell us about this. And said this won't be an issue in most cases but still keep it in mind.
@ricardoescareno8135
@ricardoescareno8135 Жыл бұрын
I think the racionalization made at the very end, was not necessary. If, in the main process we say y' = 2 ( 1/abs(x)) (x/abs(x)) it would "racionalize" itself. When we multiply both denominators, it'll be x^2 and it'll be simplified with the x in the numerator, thus getting the same result. Also, I agree with the other comments, that the "misteak" is the spelling of "mistake". Greetings.
@janda1258
@janda1258 Жыл бұрын
If one chooses to use the chain rule though, one wouldn’t need to consider the absolute value right? y=ln(x^2) y’ = (2x)(1/x^2) = 2/x
@gdtargetvn2418
@gdtargetvn2418 Жыл бұрын
You still have to
@GOLDman4856
@GOLDman4856 Жыл бұрын
@@gdtargetvn2418 no
@MichaelRothwell1
@MichaelRothwell1 Жыл бұрын
That's correct! Much simpler!
@j.u.4.n620
@j.u.4.n620 Жыл бұрын
In thumbnail, wron g! is undefined Factorial is only defined for I+(+ve integers)
@picup30296
@picup30296 8 ай бұрын
Cancel the d to get abs(x)/x. Absolute right way to do it.
@ouie-fl4qo
@ouie-fl4qo Жыл бұрын
X^2 is in brackets so you make that = n and solve from there?
@wheat9413
@wheat9413 Жыл бұрын
It will be much logical simpler to use the following solution When x>0, y=2lnx When x
@HelPfeffer
@HelPfeffer Жыл бұрын
Ohhh, I didn't think of that
@oom_boudewijns6920
@oom_boudewijns6920 Жыл бұрын
the fact i ddint spot the mistakes motivates my choice of redoing my previous year (second last year highschool )
@weewee2169
@weewee2169 Жыл бұрын
its good to be motivated but do not be too down i missed this and i have a physics degree lol, nobody has noticed this you will do fine if you believe in yourself
@deinauge7894
@deinauge7894 Жыл бұрын
i've to criticize this solution too. d/dx log(|x|) = 1/x is already correct in the real numbers. no need for chen lu there. if we also consider complex numbers, the abs value is even wrong ^^
@johnbell1578
@johnbell1578 Жыл бұрын
Nicely explained
@timwestlund3072
@timwestlund3072 Жыл бұрын
d/dx(log(x^2)=1/x^2*2x=2/x
@Soh965
@Soh965 Жыл бұрын
Holy shit. Cannot believe I forgot absolute value
@zorand67
@zorand67 Жыл бұрын
Dear "just calculus" (or blackpenredpen), this is - so to say - "of road" regarding this video, but anyway I would like to ask you if you could, perhaps, make a video-clip in which you would prove that any homogeneous fluid body (e.g. a drop of pure water (or of mercury, or ...) in a space station, or when the drop is "in the free fall" in a gravitational field) would inevitably take the form/shape of the sphere. When I think about it, I come to that conclusion, but I cannot find the way to prove that explicitely, that is, mathematically. Or, perhaps, you could give some link(s) (if you happen to know about such link(s)) to some video(s), or site(s), where such proof is given. Also, I think (or better said: I hope) that proving the following would be interesting for you and the viewers/followers of your channel: 1) If we assume that for any change to occur/happen, it must take some time for that (in other words: there are no changes which can happen during "no time"), 2) and if during an infinitesimal time dt only an infinitesimal change of something/anything (dy) may occur, 3) and if during a finite amount of time delta_t only a finite change delta_y may occur (to me, this is the direct/inevitable consequence of 2), but ... maybe that should/could be also proven mathematically), then (y, t) is the smooth continuum (free of singularities). In such continuum, an "infinitesimally small shape/"body"" cannot exist (in other words: the smallest shape/distribution of y in t must be some finite-size shape/distribution. And the simplest possible localized (finite size) shape/distribution (of y in t) may only and exclusively be a shape/distibution which: smoothly continually begins to rise (starting from "zero"-value (y=0)), smoothly continually rises smoothly continually reaches the maximum smoothly continally begins to fall (to decrease) smoothly continually reaches the 0-value. I wish you, and to your team, and to your fans, a happy and prosperous New Year!
@moeberry8226
@moeberry8226 Жыл бұрын
I just used the definition of absolute value to find its derivative. Just by using the piece wise function.
@adityaagrawal7336
@adityaagrawal7336 Жыл бұрын
you can also solve this as: y = lnx^2 y' = (1/x^2)*(d/dx)*x^2 y' = (1/x^2)*2x [(d/dx)*x^2 = 2x] After simplifying, y' = (2/x)
@ukvaishnav
@ukvaishnav Жыл бұрын
Dude mod(x)'s domain is R. You are wrong. But i appreciate your effort. It does make it clear.
@kozokosa9289
@kozokosa9289 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking to myself the mistake is not stating the domain or placing the abs value
@eh6577
@eh6577 Жыл бұрын
I've learned enough calculus to understand the derivative of y = ln (x²) I guess that's y' of ln u = du/u So y' of ln (x²) = 2x/x² x cancels out thus 2/x. (ples dont hit me if im wrong im bad at math thank)
@hlocne
@hlocne Жыл бұрын
Surely it's easier to just start by using the chain rule? I.e. y'=d/dx²(ln(x²)×d/dx(x²)=2x/x²=2/x.
@rondamon4408
@rondamon4408 Жыл бұрын
Found. it is "mistake"
@ailofimaster
@ailofimaster Жыл бұрын
The man explaining the mistake is the mistake of his parents
@zelda12346
@zelda12346 Жыл бұрын
it never bothers me to leave the | | off because the log of a negative number just elevates the second branch to pi i but retains the overall shape. Since you almost always are doing this to take a derivative, the derivative of the imaginary part is just 0, so the branches return to 0i. honestly, if this is such an issue with bookkeeping, the absolute value should just be baked into the log function e.g. "the real log" vs. "the complex log" where "the complex log" is just are current, unadulterated log. It would make sense imo because if you take the complex log of any number, the answer is the real log of the number plus its argument. Having the "real log" be the parent function would make more sense than having the "complex log" be the parent function.
@marcushendriksen8415
@marcushendriksen8415 Жыл бұрын
I don't agree. The complex log can be used to evaluate any argument; the real log can only be used on strictly positive arguments. Thus the domain of the real log is only a subset of the domain of the complex log, i.e. it is a special case; the complex log is the general
@zelda12346
@zelda12346 Жыл бұрын
@@marcushendriksen8415 If you have to ALWAYS consider the | | inside a given function f(x) to make a valid proof, then it makes perfect sense to define a new function h(x) = f(|x|) and then just use h(x) when teaching the function to students. Hence, define h(x) = realLog, which works on positive and negative real numbers, and output log|x| for all real x. There are more ridiculous argument out there, like replacing 2pi with tau, that have the same goal of simplifying the teaching.
@marcushendriksen8415
@marcushendriksen8415 Жыл бұрын
@@zelda12346 you're right, this is more of a difference of opinion though. I still prefer the view that the complex log is the "parent" function, due to the reason I gave before. It's pretty compelling and tbh I've never had trouble with the domain of the real log. I do get where you're coming from though.
@joshuahillerup4290
@joshuahillerup4290 Жыл бұрын
What if you use z instead of x?
@bprpcalculusbasics
@bprpcalculusbasics Жыл бұрын
If u allow complex numbers then yes.
@senku1396
@senku1396 Жыл бұрын
how does swapping which letter you use change the value of what it reprsents? (im a hs student)
@tehdarkneswithin
@tehdarkneswithin Жыл бұрын
@@senku1396 It's just convention. When we use z as a variable the convention is that z takes values in the complex numbers. If we use just x, the convention is the "simplest" number system that works, which is often just the real numbers.
@colinjava8447
@colinjava8447 Жыл бұрын
@@senku1396 logarithms of complex numbers get a lot more complicated, you have to use Riemann Surfaces to visualize them. For ln z its like an infinite number of complex planes stacked one above the other, each with a cut along the negative real axis, allowing the planes to be connected into a sort of spiral shape, from what I remember anyway.
@ribozyme2899
@ribozyme2899 Жыл бұрын
@@tehdarkneswithin Unless it's an inequality in terms of x, y and z, or the coordinates of a point in R^3, then z is real again.
@TecknoVicking
@TecknoVicking Жыл бұрын
R* Please.
@mandarbamane4268
@mandarbamane4268 Жыл бұрын
1:24 me: SiGnUm FuNcTiOn
@anuragmahajan5919
@anuragmahajan5919 Жыл бұрын
That was a really good one
@unclerojelio6320
@unclerojelio6320 Жыл бұрын
Right there in the title.
@chrisprilloisebola
@chrisprilloisebola Жыл бұрын
i like it medium well
@msolec2000
@msolec2000 Жыл бұрын
So... y = ln(x²), then y' = (1/x²)·2x = 2x/x² = 2/x. Easier this way. :)
@colinjava8447
@colinjava8447 Жыл бұрын
I didn't spot it, funny how the answer is still right though.
@boxoftin
@boxoftin Жыл бұрын
My maths teacher told us this, but I still forgot 🤦 dumb of me
@rukanee2883
@rukanee2883 Жыл бұрын
misteak is the mistake
@TecknoVicking
@TecknoVicking Жыл бұрын
You still need to prove that |x| = (x²)^½
@arthur_p_dent
@arthur_p_dent Жыл бұрын
That would depend of your definition of |x|. For vectors x from R^n, |x| is typically defined as the square root of the sume of the squares of the components. Likewise, for complex numbers z=a+bi, |z| := sqrt (a² + b²). A real number is just a vector from R^1 or a complex number a+bi with b=0. In either case, |x| is defined as sqrt(x²) . So no proof necessary.
@toto-yf8tc
@toto-yf8tc Жыл бұрын
That's ridiculous. Just use the chain rule on the first line.
@61Ldf
@61Ldf Жыл бұрын
Misteak is the mistake.
@hermask815
@hermask815 Жыл бұрын
I think the typo is working as some kind of clickbait. LoL
@luckygamer9197
@luckygamer9197 Жыл бұрын
Wait but isn’t the abs of i 1 but i^2= -1
@arthur_p_dent
@arthur_p_dent Жыл бұрын
abs(x) = sqrt(x²) only holds for real numbers. For complex numbers z=a+bi (where a,b are real), you need to use the more general definition: |z| = |a+bi| = sqrt(a²+b²). (notice that real numbers are just the special case where b=0.) So abs(i) really is positive 1. In fact, norms (the generalized concept of an absolute value) are NEVER negative.
@luckygamer9197
@luckygamer9197 Жыл бұрын
@@arthur_p_dent oh okay yes so this solution only holds for real numbers
@IrregularIncurveChrysanthemum
@IrregularIncurveChrysanthemum Жыл бұрын
The product of absolute values
@Pokehvid
@Pokehvid Жыл бұрын
The produc... The product of abs... The...
@awontyy
@awontyy Жыл бұрын
i have this in the practices part and everytime i do it i make this misteak :)
@NathanSimonGottemer
@NathanSimonGottemer Жыл бұрын
People: all saying you can’t take log of a negative number Me, an intellectual: knows that it’s because ln(x) does not equal ln(x)+iπ
@schizoframia4874
@schizoframia4874 Жыл бұрын
I little nitpicky but ok
@janako26
@janako26 Жыл бұрын
Ehh… Why it is not just Signum(x)?
@MarkMcDaniel
@MarkMcDaniel Жыл бұрын
It's the signum of X, just say that.
@thomasdalton1508
@thomasdalton1508 Жыл бұрын
The domain should be specified when you define the function. The tendency of teachers to teach that the domain should always be taken as the entire set where the expression makes sense creates very bad habits in students. You didn't even use the maximal domain - who told you x was real?
@stormcall7470
@stormcall7470 Жыл бұрын
I found it, it's in the title
@ucgtamil986
@ucgtamil986 Жыл бұрын
"Misteak" is in the title
@oreocookiedough
@oreocookiedough Жыл бұрын
Without watching the video I will assume it will involve absolute value because with ln it's always absolute value that is the problem LOL But in seriousness I will guess that because x^2 causes negatives to be positive that absolute value will actually matter here.
@advaykumar9726
@advaykumar9726 Жыл бұрын
But |x| is not differentiable at x=0
@joohoo2053
@joohoo2053 Жыл бұрын
it isnt part of the domain either
@ddognine
@ddognine Жыл бұрын
@@joohoo2053 Exactly. ln(0) is undefined.
@oenrn
@oenrn Жыл бұрын
|x|/x is undefined for x=0.
@debmalya6144
@debmalya6144 Жыл бұрын
Its not misteak - its my steak
@edal7066
@edal7066 Жыл бұрын
misheard
@moregirl4585
@moregirl4585 Жыл бұрын
Why'd you chain (ln|x|)', it's used that int 1/x dx = ln |x| +C
@pbworld7858
@pbworld7858 Жыл бұрын
Yes, I found the mistake: misteak
@michaelzumpano7318
@michaelzumpano7318 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful.
@scrungozeclown836
@scrungozeclown836 Жыл бұрын
You spelled mystique wrong
@RicardoMorales-zv9tw
@RicardoMorales-zv9tw Жыл бұрын
I found it
@MichaelRothwell1
@MichaelRothwell1 Жыл бұрын
As several people have pointed out, you don't need to differentiate |x| in order to differentiate ln(x²). However, if you do want to differentiate |x|, here is a cool way to do it. First note that for the function y=kx (defined on any open interval not including 0), where k is a constant, y'=k=y/x. Now y=|x| is so defined on the open intervals ]-∞,0[ and ]0,∞[ (with k=-1 and 1 respectively), so for y=|x|, y'=y/x on each interval and hence on ]-∞,0[∪]0,∞[. All that is needed now is to show that y=|x| is not differentiable at x=0, which is done by showing that the lateral limits for the derivative are -1 as x→0⁻ and 1 as x→0⁺. As these lateral limits are different, y=|x| is not differentiable at x=0.
@jonathanbohn4805
@jonathanbohn4805 Жыл бұрын
Well yes, but actually no.
@alcodark
@alcodark Жыл бұрын
so 2/x with extra steps..xD
@arolimarcellinus8541
@arolimarcellinus8541 Жыл бұрын
Why suddenly abs(x) become sqrt(x^2) without any explanation?
@GOLDman4856
@GOLDman4856 Жыл бұрын
Definitionally true statements don't need an explanation
@oenrn
@oenrn Жыл бұрын
Since the square root function is always positive, if you square a number and then take the square root you will get back the original number but with a positive sign, which is the same as |x|.
@MichaelRothwell1
@MichaelRothwell1 Жыл бұрын
√(x²) means (by definition) the non-negative square root of x². The square roots of x² are ±x (two distinct square roots unless x=0). If x≥0, the non-negative square root is x. If x
@arthur_p_dent
@arthur_p_dent Жыл бұрын
The absolute value of a complex number a+bi equals, by definition, sqrt(a²+b²). A real number is nothing but a complex number with b=0. Thus, use the above formula with b=0 and you should get a formula for an absolute value of real numbers. Alternatively, consider that the absolute value of a vector of R^n is the square root of the sum of its squared components - and that a real number is nothing but a vector from R^1.
@MichaelRothwell1
@MichaelRothwell1 Жыл бұрын
@@arthur_p_dent I totally agree.
@dbuc4671
@dbuc4671 Жыл бұрын
no i cant im too stupid for this
@insainsin
@insainsin Жыл бұрын
Nah. There was nothing wrong with the algebra. The problem is your assumptions aren't explicitly stated, and differ from "the best" algebraic assumptions. The algebra works fine if you are working in "the best" algebra.
@kwirny
@kwirny Жыл бұрын
Only in the reals tho
@ovenbakedbluetext8327
@ovenbakedbluetext8327 Жыл бұрын
MisHappyMeal*
@user-pr6ed3ri2k
@user-pr6ed3ri2k Жыл бұрын
isnt the wrong thing here that ln'(x) isnt actually 1/x, since the antiderivative of 1/x is ln(|x|)?
@oenrn
@oenrn Жыл бұрын
The domain of ln(x) is x>0. Within that domain ln'(x) = 1/x is correct.
@user-pr6ed3ri2k
@user-pr6ed3ri2k Жыл бұрын
@@oenrn but 1/x is defined x
@oenrn
@oenrn Жыл бұрын
@@user-pr6ed3ri2k yes, but a derivative is only valid in the domain of the original function, since you can't differentiate something that doesn't exist.
@user-pr6ed3ri2k
@user-pr6ed3ri2k Жыл бұрын
@@oenrn then the derivative shouldnt be 1/x, as that includes x
@user-pr6ed3ri2k
@user-pr6ed3ri2k Жыл бұрын
if ln(x) x
@l_szabi
@l_szabi Жыл бұрын
Or you could just use the chen-lu for x^2, so y' = ln'(x^2) * (x^2)' = 1/(x^2) * 2x = 2/x But of course, then you wouldn't have to show us the cool tricks with |x| and also teach us the (n+1)th time to look out for the damn function domains.
@angelodc1652
@angelodc1652 Жыл бұрын
7776 views and 48th comment Edit: Also, I forgot how logarithms work and thought the mistake was bringing the two down
@loohooi6545
@loohooi6545 Жыл бұрын
|x| = +/- 1x So,the derivative of |x| is +/- 1 or just |1|.Then,after the modulus sign is cancelled out,we can get dy/dx=2/x too!😄😄
@WikiBidoz
@WikiBidoz Жыл бұрын
+-1 and |1| are different things, |+-1|=1 but |1|=/=+-1 Also the derivative of |x| isn't +-1 as it wouldn't be a function, it's +1 for x>0 and -1 for x
@Bjowolf2
@Bjowolf2 Жыл бұрын
Mistake? 🙄😂
@alexandrosin9101
@alexandrosin9101 Жыл бұрын
That's just a bite but no more. Previous calculations were correct if you take x>0 -- and mostly everyone would consider that case if it was not mentioned before (everyone knows \int 1/x dx = ln|x|). I don't understand the point of such videos -- what can be learned from them? Not to take square roots of negative numbers while working in reals? There are so many interesting integrals, differential equations and methods to solve them, that to consider such questions is like a baby play. I don't really see the point. Dislike, just a waste of time.
@alexb7172
@alexb7172 Жыл бұрын
Y’/y
@saharhaimyaccov4977
@saharhaimyaccov4977 Жыл бұрын
So.. what the d/dx of y=ln(i²) 😲
@colinjava8447
@colinjava8447 Жыл бұрын
0
@diegorafaelcabreraduran2041
@diegorafaelcabreraduran2041 Жыл бұрын
@@colinjava8447 It’s not zero, because the argument of the natural logarithm is negative, i^2= -1, using Euler’s formula we got that ln (-1) = ipi
@colinjava8447
@colinjava8447 Жыл бұрын
@@diegorafaelcabreraduran2041 he asked for the derivative of a constant function, so it is 0. And technically you're wrong (if I remember correctly), ln(z) = ln|z| + iarg(z), hence: ln(-1) = (2k+1) i pi, for integer k
@diegorafaelcabreraduran2041
@diegorafaelcabreraduran2041 Жыл бұрын
@@colinjava8447 You’re right in the first point, my bad, i didn’t notice. But from the Euler’s formula, e^ix = cos(x) + isin(x), when x = pi, we have cos(pi) + isin(pi), cosine of Pi is negative one, sine of Pi is zero, i times zero, zero, we have that [e^ipi = -1] 1.1. Which we could have deduced from e^ipi + 1 = 0, but going to what I was saying if we take the natural logarithm from the equation 1.1, we have ipi = ln(-1).
@colinjava8447
@colinjava8447 Жыл бұрын
@@diegorafaelcabreraduran2041 No, technically you mean: Ln(i^2) = i pi Which is different to: ln(i^2) = (2k+1) i pi At least if I remember correctly, it's been 20 years.
@shubhamsagarsingh9451
@shubhamsagarsingh9451 Жыл бұрын
derivative of ln|x| is 1/x too much of effort was wasted here.
@jakescott6927
@jakescott6927 Жыл бұрын
boring
@GOLDman4856
@GOLDman4856 Жыл бұрын
The final answer is still correct though
@the_bug_bus3882
@the_bug_bus3882 Жыл бұрын
The title
@DarthScorpion
@DarthScorpion Жыл бұрын
I found the mistake straight away. My mistake was thinking I may be able to understand this 😕
@csaracho2009
@csaracho2009 Жыл бұрын
A misteak is a tasty steack!
@grynest9792
@grynest9792 Жыл бұрын
misteak is the mistake
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