Can you GAME on a BROKEN Graphics Card?!?

[@BudgetBuildsOfficial]

Big thanks to Heretic (Mike) who was the provider of this absolute abomination of a GPU.

[@DyoKasparov]

4:08 :p

[@flandrble]

did you benchmark with a fan on the card? it seems to be missing in your video.

[@computerrefurbishment9748]

@Green Mamba Games Next video...can this gpu work with bird poo on it. Next, curry stains?

[@TheSpotify95]

@BOOGEYMAN Too late, it went to Dr John David Gerry Bruce instead. :)

[@daemonspudguy]

"But GTA Fi-" - Hamish Budget Builds, November 2021

[@yoko2956]

@guy wha- how ???

[@MrQwint22]

I just want to take a moment to appreciate the engineering wizardry that must have gone into the PCI-E protocol that a card could still work with a chunk literally cut out of the connector. I find that someone even though it worthwhile to include that kind of signal resiliency (much less implement it) mind boggling!

[@hereticosjc]

we did it with a pair of needle nose pliers

[@BastetFurry]

Thing is, you could have a physical 16x slot but still just 1x on that slot and the card still has to work with that. PCI-E is a very robust port.

[@aleksazunjic9672]

It is not really a wizardry, it is clever design. To simplify things, card communicates with MB on two lanes. It first establishes connection with the first and then it knows it has 1x . Then it tries on second. If there is a response then it knows it is on 16x. If not then it continues with 16x. This all happens fast during boot .

[@netii126]

I don't think that the protocol was designed like that with resilience to physical damage in mind. What I got from the Video, the previous owner did this on purpose, so he broke of the connector right after the pins needed for a PCIe x1-Link. The mainboard doesn't recognize the other lanes (as they're not connected) and thinks its talking to a PCIe x1-card. If you just broke out some of the pins of an x16-connector randomly, it probably wouldn't work anymore.

[@AlexTenThousand]

I may be stuck in bed with flu, but at least I got Budget-Builds with his British accent and his old tech stuff to cheer me up.

[@NicoTheSourceGuy]

Get well soon. Spend the day feeling better while watching KZbin. ❤️❤️ EDIT: I didn’t want to sound mean or sarcastic about my message, so I added hearts to show my respect.

[@tsumuphi]

Same here

[@avoidedferret51]

Same bud

[@sesu5543]

Get well soon bro!

[@DIV9WARRIOR]

Same.

[@lolcat4336]

i always wish gpus came with a story, especially when it ends up like this

[@hereticosjc]

I was the one who donated this, me and friend had a bunch of LAN machines built from old dells but the last machine only had a PCI-e 1x slot so my mate said break off the pins and it should work. So we did it with a crap card to make sure it worked and because it was a crap card. It was only playing older games (and LoL) so didn't need to be an amazing card just had to be better than on board. low and behold it worked

[@dallesamllhals9161]

@@hereticosjc Still hurts! You young Hooligans! ;-P

[@UnlimitedRun]

@@hereticosjc Why didn't you instead cut away the part of the PCIe slot that collides with the edge connector, and make it an open-ended slot? With that all you're cutting is non-signal carrying plastic.

[@ChrisTian-sd5yq]

GT 710 a.k.a Wish 1050 ti

[@iamsoldats]

As someone who has performed many questionable modifications to "encourage" hardware to work, I always found melting off the end of the motherboard PCIe connector with a soldering iron to allow the GPU to stick out to be more effective than nom-nom-ing on the GPU itself.

[@tezcanaslan2877]

nom-nom-ing on the gpu made me laugh

[@ViewtifulSam]

Haha, agreed! I wish PCIe slots were simply open-ended. I get why they're not, but cmonnn

[@netii126]

Yeah, I really don't get why someone in their right mind would ever cripple a perfectly working GPU like this (risking to completely destroy it if you mess it up) instead of just opening up the end of the PCIe slot, it doesn't affect functionality at all and you could still stick a x1 card in if you ever wanted.

[@netii126]

@@ViewtifulSam Some board manufacturers actually do this, it's just not very common.

[@ViewtifulSam]

@@netii126 that's really cool! I've only ever seen it in raiser cards or M2 adaptors and such. Wish it were common in mobos

[@Davidx_117]

It's probably been mentioned already but I'd recommend trying a pci-e x1 riser (basically the ones used for mining) so you could try benchmarking higher end cards at x1 bandwidth sooner than trying to find ones broken in a similar way, I'd also love to see the "good" 9500 GT tested again with a x1 riser and see if those issues you ran into with the broken one are still present thus confirming your suspicions about regular use being hurt significantly by the lack of pci-e bandwidth

[@AlexTenThousand]

Note: I think it's amazing someone went as far as to make a port of a Vauxhall Astra model to the Source Engine, complete with the ability to actually drive it. Dunno, always had a soft spot for that car.

[@rinkkalex]

As a MK4 Turbo Coupe owner I approve, there's something so boring yet functional about them that makes them so appealing to me

[@BudgetBuildsOfficial]

Love my Astra G SXI. Sure its not incredibly powerful but it handles well and has done 182k miles

[@jm036]

There's a Yugo mod for Gmod so that's hardly surprising.

[@Thecubemaster10]

Love a good astra. Rag mine about all the time. Great fun

[@rinkkalex]

@@BudgetBuildsOfficial I still daily drive my Astra G Turbo Coupe even at 400HP, and it's still perfectly reliable and dependable, just have to be on top of things with meintanance and check everything regularly

[@n.stephan9848]

In regards to the Sims 4. I don't know if this is still applicable since I stopped playing, but I doubt much has changed. The game performance is quite dependent on the size of the house and the amount of furniture and items within it. I've designed an enormous mansion once on a budget laptop, which suffice to say, didn't like that very much. The game started lagging out as well, for example the floor would become transparent in the basement.

[@Magnum062]

I had an 8600 GTS back in the day that was broken just about the same as this one. Tried it and it worked just fine. Dunno if if anything was limited because unreal tournament 2004 was about the most intensive thing that I did on it at the time. Last about 1.5 years after that break so kudos! Thanks for the video!

[@mt441pl]

I admire your dedication - not just the channel and it's nice work - but of putting this into your own computer's pcie slot.

[@dallesamllhals9161]

Erh..it was cleaned. What's the problem, young one? ;-P

[@bryantallen703]

The intel UHD630 iGPU in the intel Core i7 8700K runs HALF-LIFE 2 Episodes 1, 2 at 1080p60 at max settings. Not to shabby for a iGPU with 16TMU's and 8ROPS and 192EU's or cores. Then again a Q6600 (GO) at 3.6GHz with a 1050ti can run Vulkan/DX12 Titles like DOOM 2016 and the Sniper Elite 4 series at 1080p60 at Ultra.

[@benrogersdevon]

My laptop has an RTX2060 and also built in Intel uhd 630 graphics due to its i7 10750h processor and I’ve benchmarked the Intel graphics in 3dmark01 and it scored 42k with all settings left at default. The time I used 3dmark01 before this was with a socket a rig with a gf4 ti4200 OC’d and iirc it got about 15k or slightly less.

[@CosmoBubblegum]

The rust on the ports are disgusting lol

[@hereticosjc]

it was in storage for a LONG time

[@dallesamllhals9161]

It's called "patina" a good thing when OLD shit ;-D

[@MJ-uk6lu]

Also white paint. It looks like it survived some home renovation and was dropped once.

[@dallesamllhals9161]

@@MJ-uk6lu ONLY once :-D

[@s0ld475]

rust on xbox and ps isnt that bad is it? not to the point i would call it disgusting 😔

[@MisterTonyG]

One of my favorite tech tubers. It's nice to get a perspective from hardware that isn't an RTX 3090 and I9 11900k. I find tests ran on older hardware more interesting. Keep up the good work.

[@ConfusionDistortion]

Some years back (2010-2012), when I ran into OEM LGA775/Pentium systems by HP or whatever that only had a couple pci and the single small PCI-E 1x slot, I would trim off the copper contacts on lower end PCI-E budget graphics cards and use them on the slot to give the machine something better then the onboard vga out. Stuff like the HD 3450 can work this way. It gave the machines a couple extra years of use as media machines, as opposed to just being trashed completely.

[@thetiredtechnician5845]

Some kind of audio hitch right around the 4:10 mark? That was kinda weird

[@jewjitsu7159]

i thought my player bugged or smth.

[@jewjitsu7159]

it was kinda fun tho lol

[@computerrefurbishment9748]

I get so much enjoyment of getting old tech to work...this video is a prime example. Well done mate another good video!

[@hardrivethrutown]

At a hotel on a job for work, nice to see a new upload to keep the mild boredom away

[@curvingfyre6810]

You should test out easily found old PCI cards on windows 10 that still have drivers. in particular I think it'd be interesting to see how they handle ancilary tasks like video streaming both off the itnernet, and to the internet, and video capture off of another card's output. Same for old OEM cards that run on less than a full PCIE 16 bus, like those 8x cards you see around. They sit in a similar price bracket, and tbh, for those of us who have a semi competent card these days, shifting tasks other than high-intensity ones to a secondary cheapo GPU that's not gonna chew up a lot of power size or system resources (hence the PCI and PCIE8x choices specifically) makes a lot of sense with the current market.

[@virtualtools_3021]

there are also PCIE to PCI adapters avaliable to plug pcie gpu in a pci slot

[@matt4193]

In most cases you dont *need* to butcher the graphics card PCIe connector to fit into a 1x slot. You just need to trim off the plastic of the connector. I've seen quite a lot of motherboards with those special 1x slots.

[@jonathanellis6097]

The graphics card was probably cheeper than the motherboard. I'd risk the damage to the cheeper component.

[@abooogeek]

Not a bad idea! I have that Dell Dimension (BTX LGA775) from a barn rescue (free stuff) and has only PCIE x1 as connector, leaving you with the iGPU (which is one of the early P4 LGA775) to play with. I may try that to add something a bit more decent to that puppy (it is an XP machine I mostly use to transfer data from hard drives found in the wild).

[@hereticosjc]

it went in a dell so no such slot that allowed it, this was the only way to do it. like Jonathan said the card was crap and it was going in the bin otherwise so might as well cut the card

[@zc8154]

I always love your videos as they are in the same format every time very consistent in the way they are produced keep it going mate 👍

[@BWOWombat]

It’s always a good day when Budget-Builds uploads a new video

[@theplayer12312]

That isn't a potato anymore, its a mashed potato

[@andrewvigil2040]

An expansion upon specifically, what pins perform what functions, and specifically which pins you can afford to chop, would be really fun to watch!

[@hereticosjc]

my mate reckoned it would work because 1x only needs those pins. he said it was only theory but we should try it and it worked, i didn't think it would

[@andrewvigil2040]

@@hereticosjc That's awesome man! I love these videos. Thank you for sending it over!

[@feliciakrisable]

This is my favorite video so far. Great video. When I saw it on the community page of KZbin I knew I had to watch.

[@Chaos_God_of_Fate]

I'd think it might be theoretically possible to add the pins back on, though that sounds impractically hard. I still wonder if it would repair it.

[@TheSpotify95]

Nah, don't repair it, send it to Dr John David Gerry instead! :)

[@timvandeneng4724]

So that means i can keep biting chunks out of graphics cards without any problems. Yay!

[@DerpyUniverse]

I didn’t know Budget Builds also watches DankPods but that’s nice to know

[@Natei]

4:08 has a little editing mistake

[@dallesamllhals9161]

Just a "tiny" bit broken/clipped off - just like the card ;-D

[@Gadgetman1989]

It's quite ironic, as I just dumpster picked a Dell Inspiron from 2010, but has a GPU similar to this specs built in to the mobo, but with a different processor, glad to see the upload dude

[@stevesmith1383]

That's a coincidence not irony

[@Gadgetman1989]

@@stevesmith1383 ah fair point

[@fastrockproductions9788]

Budget bill has uploaded this is a good day indeed !

[@tayyaba5394]

Budget build. Let's go!

[@Shotis]

WE'RE SO GLAD TO SEE YOU UPLOADING AGAIN!!

[@mohamedmostafa-qj5mx]

glad to see you again focus on the channel,that's your future

[@fastrockproductions9788]

There's an audio bug at 4:08

[@OttoLP]

GTA fi-

[@BudgetBuildsOfficial]

We may never get to know the final 3 words he had to say.

[@fastrockproductions9788]

@@BudgetBuildsOfficial I just figured I'd let ya know, shello there Indeed

[@TimWochomurka]

That's a feature, not a bug

[@PatrickPissurno]

What did you use to remove the rust? It seems to have done a good job and I need to get my hands on something similar. Thanks!

[@zenolord2242]

4:07 "But GTA Fi-"

[@BReal-10EC]

You can get cable slot powered X1 to X16 PCIe riser card adapters (I guess called mining risers now) so you can try this "mod" on other cards without actually having to butcher the cards. I'm actually using one in a used tiny form factor PC to run a dirt cheap used HD 8570 since it needed more PCI-e slot power than the little Lenovo would deliver (damn you proprietary motherboards with your non-spec parts!). It works fine. I even tried it in my main gaming PC with my 4gb RX 480 and was surprised that it did not hurt performance significantly, or at least I did not detect a significant difference in the games I played, which was probably just beamNG at the time.

[@alaskashep3754]

Glad to see DankPods as one of your KZbin recommendations 😅

[@sbeyer17]

I'm glad he's back atm

[@TheSimonarne]

i have a bendt quadro card in my pc now. it worked when i bendt it. the pcb was bendt. wouldnt fit in pcie slot bendt it back. didnt work bendt it some more and it works fine. runs pretty warm but its probably only going to be used for nvenc workload

[@blunderingfool]

Not sure if trolling but it's spelled "bent"

[@TheSimonarne]

@@blunderingfool ehh close enough for having english as a second language

[@Betonoszlop]

I didnt knew that card even can send out signal with a broken connector like that. Amazing, i wouldnt been bet on it

[@zachsilby4569]

I just realized that I just got a PC from my buddy's place that has a E-GeForce 9600GT, so it was weird looking over and going "wait a minute"

[@sersoft_corp]

Theoretically, a GPU that supports PCI-E 5.0 in a 5.0 x1 slot will run at equivalent bandwidth to that same GPU in a PCI-E 1.0 x16 slot, just an interesting fact.

[@Kev971king]

one of the games that this kind of method higly impact is on call of duty games, on modern warfare (cod 4) i had a huge FPS drop when my HD5750 was working on PCIEX x4 (or was x1? i dont remember)

[@DGdescendant22]

Never stop making videos plz

[@Photo0021]

I was just watching the 9500GT 128MB video, how neat.

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

While very properly using automotive brake cleaner on a batch of GPU coated with tobacco & fried potatoes goo I noticed a bunch of them where missing chunk on the lanes, I was sure it was caused by porky hands. Now I know.

[@Goku18815]

I have the 9400GT in my system and a core 2 duo. Do you this these specs are enough for browsing the internet and watching 1080p 60fps KZbin videos?

[@SSJfraz]

Get a Radeon HD 7570 (1GB GDDR5 version). Far better than the 9400GT and can be picked up for next to nothing. Can also be powered directly from the PCIE slot at only 65 watts TDP.

[@TimWochomurka]

@@SSJfraz I'm beginning to think you have a stock of these to unload

[@ivankopernika536]

A year ago i decided to plug in my old pc, clean it up and play cod 1 with 20 fps on it. The radeon hd 9250 however was on its last legs. Green pixels started appearing everywhere when i wqs playing, disappearing when i went into the menu. They kept on spreading and at the end it was like that even on the desktop. The next day the graphics card was cooked :(. I should get an ide to sata connector to salvage whatever i had on the hard drive of that pc.

[@SUPERSKILLETROCK]

Glad to see you are uploading more often now.

[@jody5661]

Just looks like it's adapted to work in a 1x slot. I did something like that before to put a 16X GPU into a 8X port in a server.

[@jay1185]

Nice! I've never tried a card with broken PCI connectors lol

[@RuruFIN]

I've modified a HD 3450 to PCIe x1 myself and works fine. :D

[@jay1185]

@@RuruFIN That's nuts! How much could you actually do with such a lack of lanes? Just curious.

[@jay1185]

@@somehow_not_helpfulATcrap Thank you very much for teaching me something new!! This is awesome, you've definitely inspired me to go do some reading!

[@DJdoppIer]

I never would have guessed it could even run at all with that chunk taken out of it! *XD*

[@BenchyTests]

That was pretty interesting. Luckily nothing was shorted.

[@BenchyTests]

I would've been too scared to test it in a system with parts I wanted to keep.

[@Josh.Davidson]

First time I've subscribed to a channel in a while. Really great channel. Love older hardware and seeing it used today.

[@everx7]

U should maybe try these sorta cards for emulation, if its any good still today ....well i mean test it if its useful more on that front

[@dimis094]

LOL Instead of covering the traces with adhesive tape, that previous owner ruined the PCB ... Although I see selling and using a sub-10 TFLOPS dGPU as traumatising, any unnecessary (avoidable) damage still triggers me.

[@sirtanon1]

Very cool to see this worked, but i am curious- did you socket this into a 1x slot or a 16x slot? If you socketed it into a 16x slot, that may explain the odd behavior. It definitely needs to go in a 1x slot.

[@BudgetBuildsOfficial]

I did test it in a 1x slot and the performance was the same. Including GTA Vs hitching.

[@MrVolksbeetle]

Someone "modded" this card on purpose? From the thumbnail, I thought is was a victim of some manner of corrosion.

[@TheSpotify95]

I'm pretty sure that someone had a PC that needed a dedicated GPU and only had a PCI x1 slot, hence why a chunk of it was removed so that the graphics card could fit!

[@derekmccord3798]

What WD40 product are you using to clean the GPU?

[@PatrickPissurno]

Hope he sees this because I’d like to know it too

[@madcat4563]

I am amazed that it was able to work and not explode into a million piece or catch on fire.

[@Konkretertyp]

It's impressive, that it still works, i would be very concerned to stick it into any pc, but well, if it works... i wuold still neglect to stick it into a pc...

[@MarcusDeMattes]

I really love your channel, because of truly original conent :)

[@BeeDecieved]

I've always wondered but, what does he spray on the pcb when he's cleaning it?

[@tristanraine]

Probably some alcohol or something.

[@noahqh]

Can it still do SLI though? I feel like it shouldn't be able to, since old SLI used the PCI express lanes for communication

[@B31L]

i have a old gpu that online goes for like 200 - 300$ it is a ati radeon E-G012-04-4768(B) and its broken but it almost works i can display windows the fan doesn't work too the picture on the monitor is very glitchy

[@AntiGrieferGames]

Pretty sure, fraps works that, since is much less intensive compared to afterburner.

[@HimanshuSharmazzzz]

Is that normal WD 40 or some specialist?

[@Kuri0]

You can try using a mining riser if you dont want to destroy a modern card to try it in x1

[@IanChapman]

That is the graphics card equivalent of the black knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail

[@fennfren]

Also counts as a budget snack.

[@madcrasher1419]

5:23 the British way of testing gmod

[@JohnSmith-iu8cj]

Pixelpipes made a video on this topic, comparing also pci and pci 1x + 8x version of this card I believe

[@andresbravo2003]

maybe I could get to work on a broken AMD Radeon HD card that found on the Dell Studio XPS. (Guess someone might be a accident.)

[@Fractal_blip]

Best intro in the game

[@yoissy]

I just... I can't fucking believe it works at all

[@panzerstef]

you can cover the pins on a better gpu with tape and limit it to pcie 1x that way

[@trashtronics1700]

When u want to game and add to your portfolio on a budget 🤣 love this

[@igors_lv]

Butcher a board??? All you have to do is carefully remove a bit of plastic on the end of PCIe slot so that card would fit. Some motherboards even come with open ended slots.

[@ilikepie1974]

Hi. If you decide to test this "broken PCIE"theory with a higher end card I recommend buying a Bitcoin mining riser. A 1x riser would allow you to use any graphics card you please and they're like 8 bucks Max

[@Kumimono]

I wonder what this poor card has been through... Rusty ports, chomp out of the PCI. A media player on a boat?

[@hereticosjc]

it was in a machine setup for LAN playing mostly older titles, the machine only had a 1x port and we needed something better than onboard (it was a core2duo machine) it did the job. it's rusted because it was in storage for a long time and the roof leaked on the shed

[@Kumimono]

@@hereticosjc Never expected to learn it's history. Appreciated. 👍

[@justminibanana9128]

The sims 4 can run on probably some ancient 2011 laptop, can remember what I was playing it on years ago, all I can say is i got the laptop for free.

[@ErikZarth]

I still have a Radeon 9800 Pro and a 3DFX Voodoo 2 card that both artifact. I can't bring myself to throw them out

[@TheLukemcdaniel]

It looks like it has more rust on the connectors than copper on the heatsink...

[@maxw27]

was that WD40 being used to clean the video card?

[@PatrickPissurno]

If that’s the case I wonder how he managed to remove it afterwards

[@petermc7098]

Hello There, a great video and a decent comparison throughout, thank you for sharing your views and perspective, it's much appreciated. It was an interesting experiment. Cheers Peter :)

[@Sketchy_Dood]

4:08 why does it cut out here?

[@sgcs]

yo this is my first gpu ever, I remember it fondly

[@justanotheryoutubechannel]

Holy crap, this actually runs CRYSIS better than CSGO. I don’t know if that’s embarrassing for CSGO or impressive for the card.

[@edwardthecar2300]

I saw a 6900xt for £200 with a snapped PCI lane

[@go4kata143]

You like audi 80s? that's pretty cool

[@bkgrnd1337]

sims 4 runs with about 100 fps on my 2009 potato pc thing ON MAX SETTINGS.

[@SweetTodd]

So that’s why the joker stamped damaged on his forehead

[@vertujoe2886]

I did exactly this to a hd5450 for a TYAN server board with a bad onboard GPU, to save full-length PCI-E slots. desktop, internet, and video playback are all perfectly fine, and as stable as stock configuration, but never tried gaming on that.

[@StayMadNobodycares]

All the guy had to do was cut a key into the back of the pci-e 1x to allow the card to sit in it, I don't know why this seems so hard for some. It's not hard AT ALL.

[@thebaldconvict]

Well all he really needed was a PCIE 1x to 16x adapter and he wouldn't need to cut anything at all then.

[@lord_khufu]

huh i have an intel gma 3100 in my pc and youtube run fine at 1080p even with the vp9 codec, h264ify didn't even made a difference for me, though have to drop back 720p if the video is at 60fps

[@lord_khufu]

most games run way worst than this gpu though as expected haha

[@PlaidDin]

This is a card that would make one dad think that the heart of a computer is a GPU. (My dad has a 1070TI in his 2008 quad-core lmao)

[@kingkosher6231]

lol watching this after you sent it to that scammer

[@TheSpotify95]

Haha, this was a great present for Dr John David Gerry Bruce Cement Brick... :D