Can You Sync Audio with a Wind-Up Super 8 Camera? | Zenit Quarz 1x8S-2 | Vision 3 50D | Filmboy24

I've done sync sound videos with non-crystal super 8 cameras in the past, but never with a wind-up, spring driven one. Can I do it?
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[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

To be honest with digital sound recording and editing, you can basically sync EVERY Super 8 camera today. Sure it was a heck lot different during the analog Days where you could not timestretch Audiorecordings and things just had to match. The biggest problem really is just muffling the Camera motor noise so it won't be heard in your recordings. And keeping short takes is really always the best way to shoot. 15-30 second takes is really mostly more than enough. Gotta say the demo-reel turned out to be really really well done :) Pure infotainment with creative ways to cut in between takes.

[@Filmboy24]

Absolutely right, no reason to sweat it anymore. Modern editing software has really come a long way. Quieting the camera...yeah, that's a whole different monster. Really tough to do. I'd love to do some db testing on several cameras to see if I could pin down any that are much quieter than the "norm". "Infotainment", LOL...Love It!!

[@hvitatjaldi3175]

Hahaha! Loved how you played around the limitations of a windup camera. I still use my trusty Quarz camera regularly. It has its limits but it is very reliant and never failes me!

[@Filmboy24]

Thank you!! These little Quarz cameras are pretty amazing for sure.

[@rpeters330]

You do it like no other, your videos are incredibly helpful every time, thank you so much!!

[@Filmboy24]

Thank you, Ryan!!

[@nicholaswhalley1352]

Fantastic video Mike. I really like the experimentation with mechanical camera and digital audio, and behind the scenes “how to”. You inspired me to give it a go with my double eight. Keep up the great work.

[@Filmboy24]

Thanks, Nicholas!! Double 8 is so underrated, good luck!!

[@darkcustomxxx7252]

Wow, that was a very interesting, instructive and all round awesome episode! You explained that pretty good, Mike. I can't imagine the time you put into not only producing the shoot and processing, scanning, editing, but to do an instructional vid then an episode on top! Outstanding. have a great holiday, you deserve it. Don't forget to come back and do more!

[@Filmboy24]

Thanks so much, Glen!! I appreciate it!!

[@pritush]

This thing is always so fascinating!

[@gtrplayer1000]

Awesome results Mike and a great tutorial on your editing/synching process. I wanted to try doing a single shot sound film with my ancient Kodak Model K 16mm, then I realized “no way” as even when you lock the shutter release, the camera will slow down and stop after 30-40 seconds 🙂. It was gonna be “live”music so wouldn’t want to take multiple shots.

[@Filmboy24]

Thanks, Dave!!

[@michaelb.5345]

Morning Miguel, I liked this video because I know if I had this camera I could really stink up the sound great, well maybe...

[@Filmboy24]

😂😂Thanks, Pop!!

[@mykneegrows6548]

Very funny short film, loved it!👍

[@Filmboy24]

Thank you!!

[@DethronerX]

Thanks for this video. This footage came out really cool and it almost looks like a short film. This was a question that I might have asked in the future, but here it is, the answers. I would have probably asked what to stretch, audio or video or both and really understood this well. I love using Vegas for editing both video and audio. In this other video I saw someone edit only using a low render and later replace it with uncompressed footage, but this option of hiding the larger file and grouping it and using both really helps see them if we wanted to turn visibility on for quick view. For my first set of super 8s, I didn't record any audio as videos were all without dialogue but the next time I shoot, I'll be taking audio separately and finally use my slate for the right purpose, besides scene and take numbers to match the storyboard

[@Filmboy24]

Thanks, Glen!! I kind of see the low rez file as my "work print" and the uncompressed file as my "answer print". I've found that if you keep them grouped, it just makes life so much easier later on. One thing I guess I should have mentioned is that, being grouped, they will only mimic each other as far as the physical cuts/stretches go, not the color grading or cropping. The grading and cropping has to be copied from the compressed file and pasted to the uncompressed after everything is done.

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

Oh i was hoping to see this cam again being featured in your Videos. It is still one of my favorite Super 8 cameras simply because of using kinetic energy and not electricity (well except for the lightmeter tho). I have 2 of these (got one fairly cheap at a fleamarket, even with the rubber Eyepiece) and intend to remove the fixed focus lense that is worked into the Lense Screwmount, so i can use an lens adapter for using different lenses. You could technically use Arri C-mount lenses too since it actually is a C-Mount. This makes the camera very versatile. And basically in my opinion a russian Super 8 "Bolex" :)

[@Filmboy24]

I'd love to hear about (or see) how well that lens adapter works for you. Would be nice to have different options.

[@uafantom]

Recently got this camera :D wanna try this technique! Thanks for useful tips

[@Filmboy24]

Awesome! Thank you for watching!

[@truefilm6991]

Great video and thanks for sharing! Is there any possibility you can fine adjust the frame rate on your camera? You could use a stroboscope and at least get closer to 24fps. There are great videos on how to do that with a K-3. Ruben Arce made a great video on that. This is just a personal preference, but I wouldn't touch the frame rate. It will end up looking jerky. Modern audio software allows for detailed time stretching or compressing to the point of bang-on audio sync. Check the trailer to Emil Ink's upcoming feature film, entirely shot on Super 8 film (Canon 514 XL-S, electric motor, but fairly inconsistent). He chopped up the audio and applied time compression or stretching and it came out perfect. Just my own personal preference.

[@Filmboy24]

Thanks, Christian! Unfortunately, the frame rate on these cameras are "locked" with each turn of the FPS dial, so, unlike the K3, there's no "in between". Not sure if something could be done internally or not but honestly, not sure if it's worth if for these cameras. I seriously doubt anyone would ever do any real sync work with them 😂. Just having a bit of fun and challenging my "expertise". I always ordinarily stretch the audio, in fact, as I said in the video, I'm not a fan of stretching the film files at all. I only did it on this one as my movements seemed too fast. I've seen Emil's stuff several times before, he really does great work!!

[@truefilm6991]

@@Filmboy24 Thank you for not taking my ramblings as any form of criticism. It's not. I really like your endeavors, trying to make things work with accessible gear. I always loved that folk art approach. Like, say, filming from a computer monitor frame by frame, to transfer digital 24fps footage to film. It requires a lot of passion and patience, but the results are fantastic if done well.

[@remjet2512]

Very informative, thank you 😊

[@Filmboy24]

My pleasure, thank you!!

[@flyingo]

Excellent results! Um.. that’s a dog? (ps - thank goodness for Ctl+Z, and frequently saving the file!)

[@Filmboy24]

😂😂You should see her chasing squirrels, hard to tell them apart sometimes!! Mmmmmmm, Control Z!!

[@arian.06]

great video! but i cant overlook that you put "quartz" in the video title, its a common mistake, but theese cameras are just quarz, without the t :D

[@Filmboy24]

Thank you!! Funny thing is, I know it’s Quarz and I still did it 😂

[@stikkisoxx]

Hey Mike, Interesting video as usual. Footage looked nice, great job on the audio. I googled "best free video editing software for Windows 11" and they had about 12 listed. Are you familiar with any of the free software available? Any recommendations?

[@Filmboy24]

Thanks, Rich! Honestly, I've only used a couple of free editing programs in my life. They were Windows Movie Maker (long gone) and Davinci Resolve. The latter is extremely powerful and quite honestly, I have no idea why it's free. They do have a pay version that apparently unlocks more features but the free one is insane. I don't know it very well and there's quite a learning curve with it (probably not good for beginners), but I'd say it's the best free one out there.

[@stikkisoxx]

@@Filmboy24 Ok, thanks for your feedback. DaVinci Resolve was on the list, I will definitely check it out, though I am basically a beginner so we'll see! No big projects in mind just yet, just want to start teaching myself some editing for movies and photos, both old and new...cheers.

[@rajendrabiswas]

lol nice t shirt

[@MrPaultheguitar]

reaper is good for streching Audio, Im crazy Id love to find away sync a whole soundtrack made up on a DAW then transfer it to film Stripe on film. back in the day there where lots of home made Gadgets to sync sound to tape no one talks about how ingenious they were I think they used strobe wheels and mercury switches and sprocketed recording tape on reaper you could use SMPTE code on a twin track Projector to run the DAW in Sync

[@Filmboy24]

Thanks, Paul! I'd honestly never seen Reaper Audio before, looks quite promising!!

[@johnarnehansen9574]

I saw a video were someone would synch up a 16mm film with a phonograph recording!..

[@reel_images]

Have you ever personally compared or tested digital voice recorders with sync on video footage shot with locked 48khz audio? I've tired the following digital recorders Philips LFH0868/00 (44.1khz WMV), Philips DVT2050 (44khz/16bit WAV), Samsung Galaxy s10 (48khz 256kbps M4A), ZOOM HN1 (48khz, 24bit). I've learned all about crystal sync from some of your videos. Essentially, just like in your videos when you use a lav mic I've tested different devices to record externally and then sync in post. I've found that the Philips series lose sync quickly and that you need to match audio rec rate to the timeline rate, 48khz external audio brought in on a 48khz timeline. The Samsung Galaxy s10 and Zoom HN1 must have crystal sync as they never drift even when clips are over 10min. I did try for fun recording on an old Micro cassette audio recorder, did a beginning slate and end (clap), then stretched the audio to match the camera. It did drift in and out, the audio would go out of phase, you'd only notice if you left the camera audio as background but other than that it was usable over a 5 min clip. Anyway, you post some great videos.

[@Filmboy24]

I have not, but that's very interesting. I guess it's something most of us take for granted, thinking just because it's digital audio, it'll always be perfect. I read a little about the drift after you mentioned it and I'm really intrigued now. Thank you for watching, I really appreciate it!!

[@reel_images]

@@Filmboy24 I've learned that a lot has to do with matching the sample rate, 44.1khz will not sync with a 48khz sample rate audio time line. It has to do with the number of samples per second, if they are not the same, than each second will be off and drift over time. But even having a cheap voice recorder that records with a sample rate of 48khz drifted on the same matching time line. I believe this must have to do with a set internal clock that keeps time. Really appreciate all your videos

[@Filmboy24]

@@reel_images Thanks for the explanation and for watching! I really appreciate it!

[@orestes1984]

Why do you leave your colors on jaundice mode?

[@Filmboy24]

I'm not sure what that means.

[@orestes1984]

@@Filmboy24 your skin is kinda yellow in this video, I found it interesting that it popped out to me. I thought you may have noticed and wanted to edit that a bit before posting it up on here.

[@able61]

record the clicks off the camera then you could count the fps then you could adjust film speed "Analog Resurgence" kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZ3UhnZ5idubb5I